Billboard Hot 100: 11/18/2023

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US Spotify - 11/08/23

1(=) Taylor Swift - Is It Over Now? 1,717,308 (-79,051)
2(=) Taylor Swift - Now That We Don't Talk 1,261,137 (-64,063)
3(=) Mitski - My Love Mine All Mine 1,242,788 (+18,310)
4(=) Zach Bryan, Kacey Musgraves - I Remember Everything 1,195,902 (+775)
5(=) Drake, Yeat - IDGAF 1,059,526 (+5,640)
6(+1) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 1,036,469 (+31,939) *NEW PEAK*
7(-1) Doja Cat - Paint the Town Red 999,507 (-15,020)
8(+1) Tate McRae - greedy 999,242 (+20,424)
9(+1) Doja Cat - Agora Hills 981,707 (+8,921)
10(+1) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 928,689 (-1,734)

Taylor Swift - 1989 (Taylor's Version) [19/22]
11(-3) "Slut!" 911,728 (-79,334)
14(-1) Say Don't Go 833,889 (-69,565)
30(-9) Suburban Legends 622,805 (-73,280)
37(-3) Style (Taylor's Version) 558,587 (-34,078)
42(-5) Wildest Dreams (Taylor's Version) 524,918 (-23,854)
55(-7) Out of the Woods (Taylor's Version) 475,531 (-30,723)
57(-11) Blank Space (Taylor's Version) 471,068 (-36,518)
72(-13) Welcome to New York (Taylor's Version) 438,693 (-30,105)
79(-14) New Romantics (Taylor's Version) 419,188 (-27,234)
100(-20) All You Had to Do Was Stay (Taylor's Version) 391,211 (-28,720)
110(-25) Clean (Taylor's Version) 379,282 (-32,199)
141(-26) I Wish You Could (Taylor's Version) 344,693 (-26,080)
155(-31) You Are in Love (Taylor's Version) 332,676 (-25,434)
158(-33) Wonderland (Taylor's Version) 330,395 (-26,366)
175(-40) This Love (Taylor's Version) 322,394 (-23,536)
179(-36) Shake It Off (Taylor's Version) 320,933 (-20,593)
183(-43) I Know Places (Taylor's Version) 319,152 (-24,020)
Total Thirteenth Day Streams: 10,975,588 (-11%)

Other:
12(=) Bad Bunny - MONACO 903,274 (-8,996)
13(+1) Gunna - fukumean 868,967 (+6,314)
15(=) Lil Tecca - 500lbs 820,548 (-40,834)
17(+1) Drake, J. Cole - First Person Shooter 805,609 (+5,992)
18(-1) Jung Kook - Standing Next to You 799,844 (-3,176)
19(=) Morgan Wallen - Last Night 763,088 (+65)
20(=) Travis Scott - I KNOW ? 741,571 (+15,580)
21(+2) Fuerza Regida, Marshmello - HARLEY QUINN 689,747 (+19,329) *NEW PEAK*
22(=) SZA - Snooze 675,329 (-10,545)
23(+1) Olivia Rodrigo - Can't Catch Me Now 659,836 (-3,444)
24(+1) Olivia Rodrigo - vampire 651,813 (-1,169)
25(+2) Bad Bunny, Feid - PERRO NEGRO 637,533 (+1,151)
26(=) Kenya Grace - Strangers 631,929 (-17,469)
27(+3) Morgan Wallen - Thinkin' Bout Me 625,457 (+15,863)
28(+1) Tyla - Water 625,307 (+10,964)
31(-3) SZA - Kill Bill 619,526 (-12)
32(+4) Frank Ocean - Pink + White 610,941 (+32,600)
33(=) Drake, Sexyy Red, SZA - Rich Baby Daddy 602,099 (+8,622)
35(-3) Bing Crosby, Ken Darby Singers, John Scott Trotter & His Orchestra - White Christmas 589,663 (-6,897)
36(+3) Peso Pluma, Gabito Ballesteros, Junior H - LADY GAGA 575,626 (+32,455)
39(+14) Calle 24, Chino Pacas, Fuerza Regida - Que Onda 550,932 (+52,833) (+11%) *NEW PEAK*
40(+5) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 527,375 (+18,785) *NEW PEAK*
41(-1) Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas is You 525,057 (-9,312)
43(-2) Jung Kook, Latto - Seven 521,889 (-5,835)
44(=) KAROL G, Peso Pluma - QLONA 520,010 (+10,961)
47(-4) Olivia Rodrigo - bad idea right? 515,851 (+3,366)
52(+4) Luke Combs - Fast Car 492,501 (+8,387)
53(+2) Billie Eilish - What Was I Made For? 490,182 (-162)
54(+3) Drake - Virginia Beach 489,357 (+10,539)
58(=) Zach Bryan, The War and Treaty - Hey Driver 469,091 (-6,663)
64(+4) Travis Scott, Drake - MELTDOWN 453,032 (+9,276)
66(-12) Megan Thee Stallion - Cobra 451,375 (-40,478)
67(-6) Dua Lipa - Dance the Night 450,711 (-9,005)
70(+2) David Kushner - Daylight 442,821 (+4,698)
71(-1) Taylor Swift - Anti-Hero 439,091 (-916)
73(+2) Zach Bryan, Noah Kahan - Sarah's Place 433,809 (+3,494)
74(+9) TV Girl - Not Allowed 433,115 (+19,445) *NEW PEAK*
76(+3) PARTYNEXTDOOR - Break from Toronto 431,915 (+8,662)
77(=) Zach Bryan - Heading South 424,572 (-1,759)
78(+9) Brent Faiyaz - Clouded 423,832 (+13,992)
80(+17) Travis Scott, SZA, Future - TELEKINESIS 418,103-401,669 (+16,434)
81(+5) Drake, SZA - Slime You Out 416,569 (+5,930)
83(+1) Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - FE!N 412,557 (-575)
84(-6) Troye Sivan - One Of Your Girls 412,493 (-11,669)
89(-7) Noah Kahan, Post Malone - Dial Drunk Remix 405,075 (-11,713)
92(-1) Bad Bunny, Young Miko - FINA 402,097 (-2,349)
97(+2) Taylor Swift - cardigan 396,505 (-3,761)
98(-3) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 396,163 (-5,734)
99(-10) Lil Mabu, chriseanrock - MR. TAKE YA BITCH 395,387 (-9,761)

101(-37) The Beatles - Now and Then 390,897 (-55,529) (-12%)
102(+7) Wham! - Last Christmas 390,606 (+16,045)
106(+11) LE SSERAFIM - Perfect Night 384,785 (+16,059) *NEW PEAK*
108(+4) Olivia Rodrigo - get him back! 381,230 (+9,470)
114(+6) Zach Bryan - Tourniquet 371,813 (+9,567)
115(-4) Richy Mitch & the Coalminers - Evergreen 371,077 (-1,783)
116(-2) Taylor Swift - august 369,192 (-1,906)
117(+13) Maluma, Carin Leon - Según Quién 368,419 (+15,053)
118(-8) Jung Kook, Jack Harlow - 3D 368,138 (-5,378)
120(+21) Steve Lacy - Infrunami 365,508 (+22,758)
122(+1) Bobby Helms - Jingle Bell Rock 363,114 (+3,995)
124(-3) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 362,712 (+2,069)
129(-7) Taylor Swift - Karma 356,589 (-3,188)
135(re-entry) Ken Carson - Fighting My Demons 350,733
137(-11) Taylor Swift - Lover 349,675 (-5,608)
139(+5) Jessie Murphy, Jelly Roll - Wild Ones 348,069 (+7,202)
142(+16) TV Girl - Cigarettes out the Window 340,666 (+12,074) *NEW PEAK*
144(+12) Aaron May - Let Go 340,092 (+11,352) *NEW PEAK*
146(-1) Laufey - From the Start 339,373 (-341)
147(+3) Offset, Travis Scott - SAY MY NAME 338,962 (+4,746)
150(+35) Steve Lacy - C U Girl 336,267 (+22,895) *NEW PEAK*
152(-1) Junior H - Y LLORO 333,427 (+1,516)
153(-1) Bryan Martin - We Ride 333,325 (+1,705)
161(+1) Peso Pluma, Jasiel Nuñez, Junior H - BIPOLAR 330,023 (+5,112)
169(-1) Peso Pluma, Jasiel Nuñez - LAGUNAS 324,856 (+3,432)
171(-24) Ice Spice - Deli 323,915 (-14,319)
174(-66) Grupo Frontera, Grupo Firme - EL AMOR DE SU VIDA 322,964 (-51,778)
176(+5) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 321,564 (+6,586) *NEW PEAK*
185(-5) Wyatt Flores - Please Don't Go 318,498 (+3,177)
190(-16) Gabito Ballesteros, Natanael Cano - LOU LOU 315,345 (-3,745)
191(-13) Taylor Swift - Style 315,324 (-814)
199(re-entry) Zach Bryan - Revival 310,223
200(re-entry) Chris Stapleton - White Horse 310,075

Total Sixth Day Streams for Jung Kook - GOLDEN [3/10]: 1,689,871 (-0.8%)

Biggest Gains (50K+): Que Onda

[jenglisbe]

Nov 9, 2023 23:50:55 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Yes. The same holiday songs return annually, peak round the same positions they attained the year prior, etc. There's nothing organic about it

How is it not organic? It's the music a lot of people are listening to. That doesn't mean people have to like it, but surely music that is naturally popular on its own is fairly organic. If anything, calls to rule out songs that are hugely popular is what's not organic.

hughster1 Yes, many people use playlists during the holidays. That still shows they are seeking out holiday music, though, so including those streams is measuring what people want to hear. Additionally, people also use playlists for current music (someone posted about Today's Top Hits right around when you replied), but people don't seem to take issue with those plays as much.

Maybe the real issue is people define "organic" differently. Some people seem to use a strict definition of organic that means a lack of any kind of push or promotion. That type of hit almost never happens, though. The other side of that spectrum would be songs that are pushed in a huge way; not only with a video, of course, but various physical copies, priority playlisting, radio deals, and so forth. While those songs can still be legitimately popular, their hit status definitely is not "organic." Most songs fall in between those two extremes, though.

[iHype.]

It’s not about “organic” imo, but the fact Holiday songs are meant to have completely different lifespans and consumption patterns than non-Holiday songs. They are tied to an annual event/tradition.

A Christmas song is meant to be played every Christmas.

A regular song is meant to have one lifespan. There are the extremely rare ones that have a second run, but that’s not the normal. They aren’t tied to any tradition.

Comparing a Holiday song to a non-Holiday song is apples to oranges.

I think the Holiday 100 is useful for comparing them amongst each other, but comparing them to non-Holiday songs is pointless. It’s almost like if Happy Birthday charted on the Hot 100 every single week to the end of time. What’s the point of letting us know that’s a popular tradition? What’s the point of comparing it to a 2023 song and having it make a Year-End list? What exactly are we getting from that? Yes it’s “popular” but the Hot 100 isn’t exactly meant to just remind us a song is an eternal tradition.

All the records/achievements don’t really mean anything compared to a non-Christmas song. Like yeah… the purpose of a Christmas song is it is meant to be played for 50+ years straight every Christmas. The public is not going to play a regular song 50 years straight every year as a tradition. All the most weeks #1, top 10, top 20, years charted, consecutive years, etc records set by them don’t really make any sense in comparison to a non-Holiday song.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 10, 2023 10:52:39 GMT -5 iHype. said:

It’s not about “organic” imo, but the fact Holiday songs are meant to have completely different lifespans and consumption patterns than non-Holiday songs. They are tied to an annual event/tradition.

A Christmas song is meant to be played every Christmas.

A regular song is meant to have one lifespan. There are the extremely rare ones that have a second run, but that’s not the normal. They aren’t tied to any tradition.

Comparing a Holiday song to a non-Holiday song is apples to oranges.

I think the Holiday 100 is useful for comparing them amongst each other, but comparing them to non-Holiday songs is pointless. It’s almost like if Happy Birthday charted on the Hot 100 every single week to the end of time. What’s the point of letting us know that’s a popular tradition? What’s the point of comparing it to a 2023 song? What exactly are we getting from that?

Who do you mean by "we" in your questions? I ask that seriously. From my understanding Billboard is a trade publication intended to be a measuring tool for the industry. To that end, it's not about what "we" as Pulse users (or even general chart watchers) get from it. The industry uses Billboard to measure a lot of things, and at least for now they do seem to be getting something from the inclusion of holiday music on the charts.

In general you make a valid point about the nature of holiday music being different, but at the same time I think what we've also seen from streaming is that songs actually don't have the "one lifespan" that used to be assumed. Obviously TikTok and other media have helped songs have more than one life, but we've also seen that people really do want to hear the same songs over and over and over and over and over. Look at how a hit that's a few years old like "Wasted on You" is still top 50 on Spotify with no specific reason like a holiday or other event to spur it (to my knowledge). There are lots of older songs that hover in and around the various streaming services (also look at the longevity of "Tennessee Whiskey" on various platforms, but also songs that are literal decades old). We first saw this when BDS/Soundscan arrived in the early 1990s and songs (and albums) started having longer runs on the charts. Digital sales also showed it when you'd see strong sales for older songs. Now we see it even more with streaming data.

[iHype.]

Nov 10, 2023 11:08:12 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Nov 10, 2023 10:52:39 GMT -5 iHype. said:

It’s not about “organic” imo, but the fact Holiday songs are meant to have completely different lifespans and consumption patterns than non-Holiday songs. They are tied to an annual event/tradition.

A Christmas song is meant to be played every Christmas.

A regular song is meant to have one lifespan. There are the extremely rare ones that have a second run, but that’s not the normal. They aren’t tied to any tradition.

Comparing a Holiday song to a non-Holiday song is apples to oranges.

I think the Holiday 100 is useful for comparing them amongst each other, but comparing them to non-Holiday songs is pointless. It’s almost like if Happy Birthday charted on the Hot 100 every single week to the end of time. What’s the point of letting us know that’s a popular tradition? What’s the point of comparing it to a 2023 song? What exactly are we getting from that?

Who do you mean by "we" in your questions? From my understanding Billboard is a trade publication intended to be a measuring tool for the industry. To that end, it's not about what "we" as Pulse users (or even general chart watchers) get from it. The industry uses Billboard to measure a lot of things, and at least for now they do seem to be getting something from the inclusion of holiday music on the charts.

In general you make a valid point about the nature of holiday music being different, but at the same time I think what we've also seen from streaming is that songs actually don't have the "one lifespan" we all assumed. Obviously TikTok and other media have helped songs have more than one life, but we've also seen that people really do want to hear the same songs over and over and over and over and over. In addition to that an older song like "Wasted on You" is still top 50 on Spotify with no specific reason like a holiday or other event as the reason (to my knowledge). There are lots of older songs that hover in and around the various streaming services (look at the longevity of "Tennessee Whiskey" on various platforms, but also even older songs). We first saw this when BDS/Soundscan arrived in the early 1990s and songs (and albums) started having longer runs on the charts. Digital sales also showed it when you'd see strong sales for older songs. Now we're seeing it even more with streaming data.

When I say one run, I mean one “peak” in popularity. Yes songs like Wasted On You, Tennessee Whiskey, Sunflower, Bohemian Rhapsody, etc will still relatively stream well years and years after but they definitely had one *peak* in popularity. Sunflower may still chart top 50 on Spotify or whatever in 2023, but it isn’t going #1 like in 2019 during its initial run.

Christmas songs return to their same peak activity (if not surpass it) every single year. The whole lifespan and consumption pattern is entirely different to a non-Christmas song.

Christmas songs are specifically meant to have decades of being largely popular each year. Obviously comparing their charting just doesn’t really make sense to a non-Christmas song, nor honestly does comparing their sales, streams, whatever.

Seeing a Christmas song on a 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, etc Year End list every year is pretty pointless. If a non-Christmas song managed to do that it would be completely different story because a song that is *not* tied to a tradition and meant to have one run so doing that would be unprecedented. Whereas a Christmas song is specifically meant to be played every year so?.. Like yeah, obviously Jingle Bell Rock is a yearly tradition. However knocking brand new song off the Year-End (that will likely never chart again) to show this just seems so redundant and useless in the grand scheme. If someone wants to know what songs were a big deal each year this decade they instead now get to see a Christmas tradition everyone is well aware as being eternal just randomly taking up a spot.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates « 2023 » / « 11 » / « 10 »

1(=) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 87.03(+0.31) +
2(=) Doja Cat - Paint The Town Red 76.82(+0.03)
3(=) SZA - Snooze 72.96(-0.82)
4(=) Rema & Selena Gomez - Calm Down 64.81(-0.42) -
5(=) Luke Combs - Fast Car 63.76(-0.55)
6(=) Miley Cyrus - Used To Be Young 56.03(+0.29)
7(=) Jelly Roll - Need A Favor 54.51(-0.41)
8(=) Doechii - What It Is (Block Boy) 53.72(+0.05)
9(=) Morgan Wallen - Thinkin' Bout Me 51.16(-0.43)

10(+1) USHER, Summer Walker & 21 Savage - Good Good 47.66(-0.14)

13(+1) Dustin Lynch - Stars Like Confetti 43.56(+1.02)

15(=) Jelly Roll - Save Me (with Lainey Wilson) 41.45(+0.72)

16(=) Paul Russell - Lil Boo Thang 41.07(+0.82 

26(+2) Tate McRae - greedy 32.09(+1.58)

37(=) Tyla - Water 26.43(+0.74)

65(+7) Taylor Swift - Is It Over Now? (Taylor's Version) [From The Vault] 17.10(+1.25)

-(-) Feid - Bubalu f/Rema 3.43(+0.87) +

-(-) Chayanne - Necesito Un Segundo 1.26(+1.12) +

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

For anybody complaining about Christmas holidays charting in the Hot 100, at least they are subject to recurrent rules. AIWFCIY and Last Christmas are already re-entered in the top 40 of the UK Singles chart this week.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

I'm here for Xmas songs charting every year, but in that case let Anti-Hero, Calm Down, Creepin' and other songs charting outside of the top 25 and 50. Calm Down is currently a bigger song than Agora Hills, What Was I Made For? and Good Good, but Billboard thinks that's boring for us to watch.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 10, 2023 11:26:03 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

I'm here for Xmas songs charting every year, but in that case let Anti-Hero, Calm Down, Creepin' and other songs charting outside of the top 25 and 50. Calm Down is currently a bigger song than Agora Hills, What Was I Made For? and Good Good, but Billboard thinks that's boring for us to watch.

I'm wondering if there's a sensible holiday-specific rule that could work, though defining "holiday" could be tricky (i.e. does something like "August" or "September" qualify?), and even then not all people will be happy. Still, my myself & I could support a rule where for a holiday song to re-enter it has to match or surpass its chart peak. So, "AIWFCIY" wouldn't re-enter unless it was #1, as an example. This type of rule would still capture holiday songs charting, but it would thin things out a bit at least in November and some of December. I don't know, as I said nothing will appease everyone.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

So do y'all want the chart to represent what people are listening to or do you want it to be a one-shot deal where a song charts, rises, peaks, falls and is gone forever because it's more appealing as a chart watcher even though it’s not accurate or correct? I'm continually amazed at how many of you seem to miss the point entirely.

[hughster1]

Nov 10, 2023 10:33:49 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

hughster1 Yes, many people use playlists during the holidays. That still shows they are seeking out holiday music, though, so including those streams is measuring what people want to hear. Additionally, people also use playlists for current music (someone posted about Today's Top Hits right around when you replied), but people don't seem to take issue with those plays as much.

I guess my issue is less with the fact that they count towards the singles charts at all, than the degree to which they are weighed in calculating the chart. Someone listening to a playlist, without seeking out a specific song, is really no different than someone listening to a radio station with a specific format, whereas someone listening to a specific song that they sought out is closer to a download or physical sale. But most of my issues with how the charts are compiled are more with weighing issues than with any elements. For instance, while streaming of an entire album counts towards the Hot 100 for the tracks on it, sales of an album don't, even though the intent - consuming an entire album - is the same. Or I believe the conversion used on the album chart is that ten track streams equal one album stream, so that every stream of, say, Morgan Wallen's entire 36-track "One Thing At a Time" album counts as 3.6 streams of the album, inflating its stats. And I've always felt that for the genre charts, radio plays on stations outside the specific genre shouldn't count, so, say, plays of "Last Night" on pop stations wouldn't count towards the country chart (this is the way it was done until the 2010's). And other sources of music are excluded; for instance, arguably hearing a TV theme song is no different than playing a video that you're watching less for its music than its visuals, but the former doesn't count. There are arguments against my positions, and I don't know that there's any way to fix it to something I feel is more accurate, but I do think that some adjustments could make for a Hot 100 that I feel at least would be more representative.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

The Beatles & Rolling Stones Together Again in the Top 10 of a Billboard Chart, 59 Years Later

11/10/2023

By Gary Trust

The Beatles' new single "Now and Then" debuts on Adult Alternative Airplay, joining The Rolling Stones' "Angry" in the top tier.

On the Billboard Hot 100 dated Dec. 12, 1964, The Beatles’ “I Feel Fine” flew from No. 22 to No. 5 in its second week on the chart. It jumped over The Rolling Stones’ “Time Is on My Side,” which held at No. 6.

The same week, The Rolling Stones’ LP 12 x 5 bounded into the top 10 from No. 11 to No. 3 on the Billboard 200 albums chart, as The Beatles’ Something New remained in the region, at No. 10.

That week marked the first time that the bands shared space in the top 10 on Billboard’s charts.

Nearly 59 years later, their iconic imprints long stamped on pop culture, they’re together again in the top 10 of a Billboard ranking. 

On the latest Adult Alternative Airplay chart, dated Nov. 18, 2023, The Beatles’ “Now and Then” debuts at No. 9. It joins The Rolling Stones’ “Angry,” up to No. 6 (time is still on their side), a new high in its ninth week on the list.

All Nov. 18-dated Billboard charts will update on Billboard.com on Tuesday, Nov. 14. 

“Now and Then” is billed as the final Beatles song, first recorded as a demo in 1977 by John Lennon and initially intended for the band’s three-edition Anthology series in the mid-‘90s before being shelved. Completed at last, it was released Nov. 2, followed by the premiere of its official video Nov. 3, after new technology helped extract Lennon’s vocals from the original demo, while George Harrison guitar parts from the initial attempt to finish the song were also incorporated into the song.

The Rolling Stones’ “Angry” is from their new LP Hackney Diamonds, which debuted two weeks ago as their record-extending 38th top 10 on the Billboard 200. Don Was and Andrew Watt produced the set, the band’s first of all-new material since 2005. (“It’s like going to college,” Watt, 32, told Billboard, “and learning from the literal masters.”)

On that Hot 100 dated Dec. 12, 1964, the two bands placed in the top 10 alongside the likes of The Beach Boys and The Supremes (and, fittingly, Lorne Greene’s “Ringo”). On the Billboard 200, Elvis Presley was also in the top 10.

On the newest Adult Alternative Airplay chart, The Beatles’ and The Rolling Stones’ contemporaries in the top 10 include such rising acts as boygenius and Tyler Childers. Additionally in the bracket are fellow veterans including U2 – whose “Atomic City” hits No. 1 – Foo Fighters and Wilco, reflecting the format’s trademark mix of established and ascending artists.

Adult Alternative Airplay chart reporter KINK Portland, Ore., has both “Now and Then” and “Angry” in rotation. “The Beatles and Rolling Stones have been a part of KINK’s DNA since our inception in 1968, and their appeal continues to span multiple generations,” says program director Ken Benson. “We feel an obligation to share noteworthy new releases from iconic artists with our listeners and let them decide on their merits. We recently added ‘Atomic City’ for many of the same reasons.”

Adult Alternative Airplay panelist WTTS Indianapolis is also playing both “Now and Then” and “Angry.” Of The Beatles, says pd Lenny Diana, “No matter what genre of music you are into, direct lines can be drawn back to that band.

“The Rolling Stones,” Diana further muses, “do not need to work with a thirty-something-year-old producer. They can stay inside the Rolling Stones world, and no one will complain. To do what they did with Andrew Watt and do it at a high level is inspiring. I give the band a lot of credit for challenging themselves and embracing today’s sonics within the framework of their band.”

Music Choice’s Adult Alternative channel is likewise spinning both “Now and Then” and “Angry.” Echoes pd Mike Popadines, “The songs are there. They’re both getting major reactions and sounding great in the mix. This just goes to show, you never know what can happen when iconic artists release new music this late into their careers and strike gold. We’re here for this moment.”

[iHype.]

Nov 10, 2023 15:33:32 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

So do y'all want the chart to represent what people are listening to or do you want it to be a one-shot deal where a song charts, rises, peaks, falls and is gone forever because it's more appealing as a chart watcher even though it’s not accurate or correct? I'm continually amazed at how many of you seem to miss the point entirely.

I'm pretty sure everyone understands Christmas music is popular. However, comparing Christmas music's popularity to non-Christmas music is a disjointed comparison. That is the point being made.

As it stands, AIWFCIY is going to spend like 30+ weeks #1 this decade and finish as the #1 Song of the Decade at the current pace not expecting any rule changes.

However it's a disjointed (and borderline useless) comparison to non-Holiday songs. Holiday songs are specifically meant to be revisited for 10 years straight, a non-Holiday song pretty much is no circumstance is going to experience resurgences to revisit the top 20, top 10, #1, etc for 10 years straight. They are not meant to be tied to a recurring occasion, so there is not going to be a recurring occasion of peak popularity every single year.

Pointing out objectively that Holiday music has its own lifespan/consumption pattern that should probably be recognized within its own category doesn't mean you simply 'want the charts to be more appealing'. It means you are simply pointing out a flaw in comparing it to non-Holiday music.


In 100 years when All I Want for Christmas Is You has accumulated more charting/sales/etc than Mariah's 18 other #1 hits combined should all her other hits be regarded as flubs that couldn't live up to that song retrospectively? Or should we simply realize... comparing a Holiday song to non-Holiday songs popularity veers into a relatively pointless conversation?

[jenglisbe]

Nov 10, 2023 18:41:26 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Nov 10, 2023 15:33:32 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

So do y'all want the chart to represent what people are listening to or do you want it to be a one-shot deal where a song charts, rises, peaks, falls and is gone forever because it's more appealing as a chart watcher even though it’s not accurate or correct? I'm continually amazed at how many of you seem to miss the point entirely.

I'm pretty sure everyone understands Christmas music is popular. However, comparing Christmas music's popularity to non-Christmas music is a disjointed comparison. That is the point being made.

As it stands, AIWFCIY is going to spend like 30+ weeks #1 this decade and finish as the #1 Song of the Decade at the current pace not expecting any rule changes.

However it's a disjointed (and borderline useless) comparison to non-Holiday songs. Holiday songs are specifically meant to be revisited for 10 years straight, a non-Holiday song pretty much is no circumstance is going to experience resurgences to revisit the top 20, top 10, #1, etc for 10 years straight. They are not meant to be tied to a recurring occasion, so there is not going to be a recurring occasion of peak popularity every single year.

Pointing out objectively that Holiday music has its own lifespan/consumption pattern that should probably be recognized within its own category doesn't mean you simply 'want the charts to be more appealing'. It means you are simply pointing out a flaw in comparing it to non-Holiday music.


In 100 years when All I Want for Christmas Is You has accumulated more charting/sales/etc than Mariah's 18 other #1 hits combined should all her other hits be regarded as flubs that couldn't live up to that song retrospectively? Or should we simply realize... comparing a Holiday song to non-Holiday songs popularity veers into a relatively pointless conversation?

I 100% get all of that, but pretty much everything you said there has to do with all-time records and not the weekly Hot 100 itself. What would you think about the weekly chart staying as is, but the decade and all-time charts not including holiday songs?

[sheardbeard]

Personally, I don’t care about year-end lists or artists trying to break their own records or whatever. I really only care about weekly music popularity charts. With that said, the same old holiday songs do in fact get popular again for a few weeks every year, so they should re-chart during those weeks. If for a few weeks every year we get AIWFCIY, RATCT, JBR, and AHJC in the top 4, so be it.

[Az Paynter]

Every time arguments erupt over what the charts should or shouldn't be, I have this on loop in my head: the charts are not for you the charts are not for you the charts are not for you the charts are not for you the charts are not for--

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 10, 2023 18:41:26 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Nov 10, 2023 15:33:32 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

So do y'all want the chart to represent what people are listening to or do you want it to be a one-shot deal where a song charts, rises, peaks, falls and is gone forever because it's more appealing as a chart watcher even though it’s not accurate or correct? I'm continually amazed at how many of you seem to miss the point entirely.

I'm pretty sure everyone understands Christmas music is popular. However, comparing Christmas music's popularity to non-Christmas music is a disjointed comparison. That is the point being made.

As it stands, AIWFCIY is going to spend like 30+ weeks #1 this decade and finish as the #1 Song of the Decade at the current pace not expecting any rule changes.

However it's a disjointed (and borderline useless) comparison to non-Holiday songs. Holiday songs are specifically meant to be revisited for 10 years straight, a non-Holiday song pretty much is no circumstance is going to experience resurgences to revisit the top 20, top 10, #1, etc for 10 years straight. They are not meant to be tied to a recurring occasion, so there is not going to be a recurring occasion of peak popularity every single year.

Pointing out objectively that Holiday music has its own lifespan/consumption pattern that should probably be recognized within its own category doesn't mean you simply 'want the charts to be more appealing'. It means you are simply pointing out a flaw in comparing it to non-Holiday music.


In 100 years when All I Want for Christmas Is You has accumulated more charting/sales/etc than Mariah's 18 other #1 hits combined should all her other hits be regarded as flubs that couldn't live up to that song retrospectively? Or should we simply realize... comparing a Holiday song to non-Holiday songs popularity veers into a relatively pointless conversation?

Okay but make the argument without referring to the issue being things like chart records and achievements because where I’m standing, Mariah’s AIWFCIY is one of the most known/familiar/ and dare I even say beloved songs of the last century so if it does eventually reach 30 weeks at #1 over 8 years or whatever, it won’t be unwarranted. The fact that it’s a Christmas song isn’t relevant imo. Different songs have different lifespans and trajectories. Holiday music is resurrected every year. Soft pop/rock ballads have lengthy lifespans thanks to AC radio. Taylor and Drake have album bombs. Country hits have slow climbs. All of these factors play into how a song performs in the slow run and the long run and it’s silly to restrict one type of song’s presence on the chart because we don’t like the trajectory of its lifespan based on the way people consume it.

[parrotparent]

Nov 9, 2023 23:42:50 GMT -5 badrobot said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 2 song charts. One that's "hot" (new songs, no holiday tracks, stronger recurrent rules) and one that's "comprehensive" (every song regardless of age, no recurrent rules).

They are trying to have both sides of the equation in one chart and it's meant years of asterisks on chart positions and records.

Several of us emailed Gary & Silvio right after BB added 25/52 asking BB to add a "Comprehensive" Songs Chart, like the Comprehensive Albums Chart that existed before "Catalog" albums were added back into the BB200. Right before 25/52 hit we had hoped BB would finally consider changing 50/20 to 50/26. Obviously our messages got us nowhere, unless you consider the Global 200 charts with no recurrency rules a victory of sorts.

50/26 would make even more sense now since Country songs have an unfair advantage with their slow climbs. Other genre songs don't get 20+ weeks below 50 & Country can get up to 30.



And to avoid a 2nd post, Careys best Christmas song by far is her cover of "OH Holy Night." If only she would promote this. Finally I really hope Brenda Lee gets at least 1 #1 wk in 2023.

[sportytheartist]

”Now And Then” projected to move up to #8. 

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 11/09/23

1(=) Taylor Swift - Is It Over Now? 1,668,352 (-48,956)
2(+2) Zach Bryan, Kacey Musgraves - I Remember Everything 1,245,522 (+49,620)
3(=) Mitski - My Love Mine All Mine 1,232,135 (-10,653)
4(-2) Taylor Swift - Now That We Don't Talk 1,224,268 (-36,869)
5(=) Drake, Yeat - IDGAF 1,077,180 (+17,654)
6(=) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 1,063,885 (+27,416)
7(+1) Tate McRae - greedy 1,001,299 (+2,057)
8(-1) Doja Cat - Paint the Town Red 993,732 (-5,775)
9(=) Doja Cat - Agora Hills 976,787 (-4,920)
10(=) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 944,950 (+16,261)

Taylor Swift - 1989 (Taylor's Version) [17/22]
11(=) "Slut!" 904,116 (-7,612)
17(-3) Say Don't Go 797,852 (-36,037)
36(-6) Suburban Legends 587,044 (-35,761)
38(-1) Style (Taylor's Version) 563,532 (+4,945)
45(-3) Wildest Dreams (Taylor's Version) 518,412 (-6,506)
59(-4) Out of the Woods (Taylor's Version) 463,550 (-11,981)
60(-3) Blank Space (Taylor's Version) 460,278 (-10,790)
76(-4) Welcome to New York (Taylor's Version) 423,560 (-15,133)
85(-6) New Romantics (Taylor's Version) 411,670 (-7,518)
109(-9) All You Had to Do Was Stay (Taylor's Version) 378,714 (-12,497)
124(-14) Clean (Taylor's Version) 365,876 (-13,406)
158(-17) I Wish You Could (Taylor's Version) 332,422 (-12,271)
186(-31) You Are in Love (Taylor's Version) 318,977 (-13,699)
189(-31) Wonderland (Taylor's Version) 318,491 (-11,904)
198(-19) Shake It Off (Taylor's Version) 313,346 (-7,587)
Total Fourteenth Day Streams: 10,050,460 (-8%)

Other:
12(=) Bad Bunny - MONACO 892,681 (-10,593)
13(=) Gunna - fukumean 873,589 (+4,622)
15(=) Lil Tecca - 500lbs 822,828 (+2,280)
16(+3) Morgan Wallen - Last Night 819,273 (+56,185)
18(-1) Drake, J. Cole - First Person Shooter 788,356 (-17,253)
19(-1) Jung Kook - Standing Next to You 770,696 (-29,148)
20(=) Travis Scott - I KNOW ? 739,638 (-1,933)
21(=) Fuerza Regida, Marshmello - HARLEY QUINN 715,547 (+25,800)
22(=) SZA - Snooze 696,623 (+21,294)
23(+1) Olivia Rodrigo - vampire 648,385 (-3,428)
24(+1) Bad Bunny, Feid - PERRO NEGRO 641,474 (+3,941)
26(-3) Olivia Rodrigo - Can't Catch Me Now 623,761 (-36,075)
27(+4) SZA - Kill Bill 623,524 (+3,998)
28(+7) Bing Crosby, Ken Darby Singers, John Scott Trotter & His Orchestra - White Christmas 623,253 (+33,590)
29(-3) Kenya Grace - Strangers 620,972 (-10,957)
30(+2) Frank Ocean - Pink + White 619,298 (+8,357)
31(-3) Tyla - Water 618,868 (-6,439)
32(+1) Drake, Sexyy Red, SZA - Rich Baby Daddy 604,800 (+2,701)
34(-7) Morgan Wallen - Thinkin' Bout Me 591,328 (-34,129)
35(+1) Peso Pluma, Gabito Ballesteros, Junior H - LADY GAGA 588,214 (+12,588)
37(+15) Luke Combs - Fast Car 565,444 (+72,943) (+15%)
40(-1) Calle 24, Chino Pacas, Fuerza Regida - Que Onda 561,172 (+10,240)
42(-1) Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas is You 542,813 (+17,756)
44(=) KAROL G, Peso Pluma - QLONA 524,880 (+4,870)
46(-6) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 517,402 (-9,973)
48(-1) Olivia Rodrigo - bad idea right? 513,917 (-1,934)
51(-8) Jung Kook, Latto - Seven 504,259 (-17,630)
53(+5) Zach Bryan, The War and Treaty - Hey Driver 494,176 (+25,085)
54(-1) Billie Eilish - What Was I Made For? 485,483 (-4,699)
55(-1) Drake - Virginia Beach 482,912 (-6,445)
57(+10) Dua Lipa - Dance the Night 469,947 (+19,236)
65(+1) Megan Thee Stallion - Cobra 452,593 (+1,218)
67(+3) David Kushner - Daylight 450,441 (+7,620)
69(+2) Taylor Swift - Anti-Hero 448,892 (+9,801)
70(-6) Travis Scott, Drake - MELTDOWN 448,557 (-4,475)
72(+5) Zach Bryan - Heading South 433,291 (+8,719)
74(=) TV Girl - Not Allowed 429,521 (-3,594)
75(+1) PARTYNEXTDOOR - Break from Toronto 429,414 (-2,501)
78(+2) Travis Scott, SZA, Future - TELEKINESIS 418,693 (+590)
79(-1) Brent Faiyaz - Clouded 417,493 (-6,339)
81(+21) Wham! - Last Christmas 413,969 (+23,363)
82(-9) Zach Bryan, Noah Kahan - Sarah's Place 413,450 (-20,359)
84(-3) Drake, SZA - Slime You Out 411,923 (-4,646)
88(-5) Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - FE!N 408,602 (-3,955)
90(-1) Noah Kahan, Post Malone - Dial Drunk Remix 406,679 (+1,604)
92(-8) Troye Sivan - One Of Your Girls 405,263 (-7,230)
93(+5) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 404,402 (+8,239)
97(=) Taylor Swift - cardigan 395,844 (-661)
99(-7) Bad Bunny, Young Miko - FINA 394,582 (-7,515)
100(-1) Lil Mabu, chriseanrock - MR. TAKE YA BITCH 391,831 (-3,556)

103(+5) Olivia Rodrigo - get him back! 384,845 (+3,615)
106(+16) Bobby Helms - Jingle Bell Rock 382,105 (+18,991)
107(-1) LE SSERAFIM - Perfect Night 382,028 (-2,757)
112(+5) Maluma, Carin Leon - Según Quién 372,759 (+4,340)
114(+1) Richy Mitch & the Coalminers - Evergreen 371,869 (+792)
115(+85) Chris Stapleton - White Horse 371,322 (+61,247) (+20%)
116(=) Taylor Swift - august 370,979 (+1,787)
117(+22) Jessie Murphy, Jelly Roll - Wild Ones 370,468 (+22,399)
119(+1) Steve Lacy - Infrunami 369,328 (+3,820)
122(+7) Taylor Swift - Karma 366,336 (+9,747)
123(+1) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 366,290 (+3,578)
125(-11) Zach Bryan - Tourniquet 364,233 (-7,580)
129(-11) Jung Kook, Jack Harlow - 3D 359,408 (-8,730)
133(+45) Chris Stapleton - You Should Probably Leave 356,878 (+35,824) (+11%)
137(+16) Bryan Martin - We Ride 353,317 (+19,992)
141(-4) Taylor Swift - Lover 351,784 (+2,109)
144(=) Aaron May - Let Go 348,952 (+8,860)
146(+6) Junior H - Y LLORO 344,209 (+10,782)
151(-9) TV Girl - Cigarettes out the Window 339,054 (-1,612)
152(-6) Laufey - From the Start 339,041 (-332)
153(-18) Ken Carson - Fighting My Demons 338,170 (-12,563)
155(-5) Steve Lacy - C U Girl 334,351 (-1,916)
164(-3) Peso Pluma, Jasiel Nuñez, Junior H - BIPOLAR 330,187 (+164)
168(-21) Offset, Travis Scott - SAY MY NAME 326,755 (-12,207)
172(-3) Peso Pluma, Jasiel Nuñez - LAGUNAS 325,158 (+302)
174(+11) Wyatt Flores - Please Don't Go 324,025 (+5,527) *NEW PEAK*
175(-4) Ice Spice - Deli 323,858 (-57)
176(re-entry) Chris Stapleton - Tennessee Whiskey 323,573
177(-1) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 323,109 (+1,545)
178(-4) Grupo Frontera, Grupo Firme - EL AMOR DE SU VIDA 322,649 (-315)
182(re-entry) Cody Johnson - The Painter 320,669
185(+14) Zach Bryan - Revival 319,823 (+9,600)

Total Seventh Day Streams for Jung Kook - GOLDEN [3/10]: 1,634,363 (-3%)

Biggest Gains (50K+): White Horse, Fast Car, Last Night

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - Week 11/09/23

1(=) Taylor Swift - Is It Over Now? 12,684,567
2(=) Taylor Swift - Now That We Don't Talk 9,574,653
3(+21) Zach Bryan, Kacey Musgraves - I Remember Everything 8,187,872
4(+18) Mitski - My Love Mine All Mine 8,111,941
5(+8) Drake, Yeat - IDGAF 7,421,468
6(-3) Taylor Swift - "Slut!" 7,141,197
7(+14) Doja Cat - Paint the Town Red 7,039,471
8(+23) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 6,789,629 *NEW PEAK*
9(+16) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 6,647,950
10(-6) Taylor Swift - Say Don't Go 6,637,135

Taylor Swift - 1989 (Taylor's Version) [22/22]
20(-15) Suburban Legends 5,145,621
25(-19) Style (Taylor's Version) 4,500,915
36(-26) Wildest Dreams (Taylor's Version) 4,072,043
41(-34) Blank Space (Taylor's Version) 3,861,775
42(-34) Out of the Woods (Taylor's Version) 3,821,035
48(-39) Welcome to New York (Taylor's Version) 3,565,230
58(-46) New Romantics (Taylor's Version) 3,337,492
63(-52) All You Had to Do Was Stay (Taylor's Version) 3,188,883
68(-54) Clean (Taylor's Version) 3,066,962
88(-73) I Wish You Could (Taylor's Version) 2,824,315
102(-82) Wonderland (Taylor's Version) 2,691,199
104(-81) You Are in Love (Taylor's Version) 2,674,410
112(-96) Shake It Off (Taylor's Version) 2,630,087
113(-94) I Know Places (Taylor's Version) 2,607,725
115(-88) This Love (Taylor's Version) 2,585,837
128(-110) How You Get the Girl (Taylor's Version) 2,474,535
141(-97) Bad Blood [feat. Kendrick Lamar] (Taylor's Version) 2,450,523
147(-130) Bad Blood (Taylor's Version) 2,338,436

11(+17) Tate McRae - greedy 6,616,462
12(+18) Doja Cat - Agora Hills 6,497,633
13(+13) Bad Bunny - MONACO 6,363,312
14(+15) Gunna - fukumean 5,976,409
15(+21) Lil Tecca - 500lbs 5,727,257 *NEW PEAK*
17(+15) Drake, J. Cole - First Person Shooter 5,436,753
18(+15) Morgan Wallen - Last Night 5,425,449
19(DEBUT) Jung Kook - Standing Next to You 5,352,689
21(+17) Travis Scott - I KNOW ? 4,903,974
22(+22) SZA - Snooze 4,718,227
23(+16) Olivia Rodrigo - vampire 4,521,813
24(+96) Fuerza Regida, Marshmello - HARLEY QUINN 4,512,718 *NEW PEAK*
26(+14) Bad Bunny, Feid - PERRO NEGRO 4,451,765
27(DEBUT) Olivia Rodrigo - Can't Catch Me Now 4,434,167
28(+19) Kenya Grace - Strangers 4,315,124
30(+16) Tyla - Water 4,222,272
31(+12) Drake, Sexyy Red, SZA - Rich Baby Daddy 4,199,224
32(re-entry) Bing Crosby, Ken Darby Singers, John Scott Trotter & His Orchestra - White Christmas 4,175,609
34(+54) Jung Kook, Latto - Seven 4,160,282
35(+15) Morgan Wallen - Thinkin' Bout Me 4,132,542
39(+14) Frank Ocean - Pink + White 3,961,404
40(+142) Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas is You 3,876,756
44(+13) Calle 24, Chino Pacas, Fuerza Regida - Que Onda 3,648,353 *NEW PEAK*
45(+11) Olivia Rodrigo - bad idea right? 3,577,245
49(+2) KAROL G, Peso Pluma - QLONA 3,558,577
51(+16) Luke Combs - Fast Car 3,454,385
52(DEBUT) Megan Thee Stallion - Cobra 3,441,701
53(DEBUT) The Beatles - Now and Then 3,405,873
54(+19) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 3,403,640 *NEW PEAK*
59(+4) Billie Eilish - What Was I Made For? 3,329,102
60(+17) Zach Bryan, The War and Treaty - Hey Driver 3,315,251
61(-6) Drake - Virginia Beach 3,311,364
62(+13) Dua Lipa - Dance the Night 3,200,655
64(+2) Taylor Swift - Anti-Hero 3,129,332
76(+19) David Kushner - Daylight 2,971,089
77(+7) Zach Bryan - Heading South 2,949,669
78(+32) Zach Bryan, Noah Kahan - Sarah's Place 2,922,979
79(-5) Troye Sivan - One of Your Girls 2,868,024
83(-23) Bad Bunny, Young Miko - FINA 2,845,633
84(+14) Lil Mabu, chriseanrock - MR. TAKE YA BITCH 2,844,472 *NEW PEAK*
85(-13) Drake, SZA - Slime You Out 2,840,445
86(+54) Jung Kook, Jack Harlow - 3D 2,835,276
87(-7) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 2,827,822
89(+16) PARTYNEXTDOOR - Break from Toronto 2,820,839
90(-14) Brent Faiyaz - Clouded 2,807,619
93(+32) TV Girl - Not Allowed 2,787,841 *NEW PEAK*
96(+1) Travis Scott, SZA, Future - TELEKINESIS 2,753,807
97(-12) Taylor Swift - cardigan 2,738,953
99(+35) Noah Kahan, Post Malone - Dial Drunk Remix 2,706,411
100(+15) Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - FE!N 2,700,178

105(re-entry) Wham! - Last Christmas 2,670,501
108(-5) Olivia Rodrigo - get him back! 2,651,960
114(-6) Grupo Frontera, Grupo Firme - EL AMOR DE SU VIDA 2,587,340
118(-16) Taylor Swift - august 2,561,805
119(re-entry) Bobby Helms - Jingle Bell Rock 2,555,903
120(-19) Taylor Swift - Lover 2,527,248
122(-30) Taylor Swift - Karma 2,513,278
124(-13) Maluma, Carin Leon - Según Quién 2,505,072
125(+34) LE SSERAFIM - Perfect Night 2,499,707 *NEW PEAK*
127(+3) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 2,479,099
129(+22) Zach Bryan - Tourniquet 2,471,333
130(+36) Richy Mitch & The Coal Miners - Evergreen 2,451,562 *NEW PEAK*
139(+2) Steve Lacy - Infrunami 2,400,538
145(-22) Ice Spice - Deli 2,345,107
149(+4) Jessie Murph, Jelly Roll - Wild Ones 2,323,443
152(+22) Laufey - From the Start 2,311,191
153(+25) Bryan Martin - We Ride 2,307,748
159(-22) Junior H - Y LLORO 2,251,742
160(DEBUT) The Kid LAROI - BLEED 2,247,013
166(-75) Taylor Swift - Style 2,223,874
167(re-entry) TV Girl - Cigarettes out the Window 2,218,870
168(DEBUT) Cody Johnson - The Painter 2,217,450
169(-24) Offset, Travis Scott - SAY MY GRACE 2,216,067
172(+17) Gabito Ballesteros, Natanael Cano - LOU LOU 2,213,850 *NEW PEAK*
175(-5) Peso Pluma, Jasiel Nuñez - LAGUNAS 2,208,515
183(+15) Chris Stapleton - White Horse 2,169,766
186(+13) Steve Lacy - C U GIRL 2,160,059 *NEW PEAK*
187(re-entry) Zach Bryan - Revival 2,159,222
195(DEBUT) Wyatt Flores - Please Don't Go 2,127,796
196(re-entry) Michael Bublé - It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas 2,121,166
199(-72) Taylor Swift - Blank Space 2,102,969

Total First Week Streams for Jung Kook - GOLDEN [3/10]: 12,348,247

To the surprise of little, Is It Over Now? stays on top for a second week in a row. Despite it dropping by 36.77%, the gap between it and other songs is just too wide, it might eeven be #1 until the Christmas freeze is in full effect. What was a bit surprising however is that Now That We Don't Talk also stayed up at #2 despite and even bigger drop of 47.45%. Taylor managed to have two other songs from 1989 TV barely stay in the Top 10 with "Slut!" at #6 and Say Don't Go at #10 despite the songs respectively falling by 57.56% and and 58.45% in streams. With all of Taylor expectedly falling, it's also sees fit several songs re-enter the Top 10 and we actually have a new song breaking into the Top 10. Over a year after it first blew up, Noah Kahan's Stick Seasons rises to #9 thanks to a 9.69% increase. I may not care for the song much but it'll be interesting to see the longevity it has.

Of course, the big story this week were the drops for 1989 (Taylor's Version) and while it was as big as the drop for Speak Now (Taylor's Version), it was still sizable. Just out of the songs that debuted in the Top 10 last week: Suburban Legends fell by 61.02%, Wildest Dreams (Taylor's Version) dropped 57.78% in streams, Style (Taylor's Version) saw a decrease of 64.03%, Out of the Woods (Taylor's Version) collapsed by 65.18% Blank Space (Taylor's Version) cratered thanks to a 65.31% decline, and Welcome to New York (Taylor's Version) decreased by 67.13%. All in all, the album dropped by 60.09%.

That wasn't the only story this week of course, with Christmas songs starting to resurface and All I Want for Christmas shooting back to the Top 40. HARLEY QUINN also broke into the Top 25 as it appears to be the newest uber viral reggaeton song. We also saw Jung Kook's debut album have the biggest debut with Standing Next to You as it also helped Seven and 3D rebound. Strangely, the "final" Beatles song wasn't the second biggest debut as it debuted behind Cobra (of course this could be down to it's hour early release). Olivia Rodrigo's song for A Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes debuted at #27 and it'll be interesting to the longevity this has, especially with the movie out in two weeks.

Notable Gains:
All I Want for Christmas is You - 79.17%
HARLEY QUINN - 73.34%
Seven - 40.59%
3D - 18.08%
Something in the Orange - 12.71%
Dawns - 11.05%
Dial Drunk - 10.12%
Stick Season - 9.69%
Evergreen - 9.66%

Week 2 Streams

SZA - SOS: 114,758,353 (-42%)
Morgan Wallen - One Thing At A Time: 113,180,650 (-46%)
Taylor Swift - 1989 (Taylor's Version): 93,874,575 (-60%)
Drake - For All the Dogs: 76,651,816 (-62%)
Olivia Rodrigo - GUTS: 73,148,407 (-41%)
Travis Scott - UTOPIA: 70,602,426 (-60%)
Zach Bryan - Zach Bryan: 70,022,786 (-41%)
Metro Boomin - HEROES & VILLAINS: 58,675,707 (-43%)
Taylor Swift - Speak Now (Taylor's Version): 42,866,207 (-74%)
Various Artists - Barbie the Album: 37,750,230 (+7%)
Metro Boomin - ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE SOUNDTRACK: 36,136,809 (-22%)

[HolidayGuy]

Yes, iHype laid it out well, in regard to holiday songs. Also, there's a reason holiday songs were left off the Hot 100 for a number of years.

Maybe organic isn't the right word; holiday songs charting as they do is expected at this point, even though they are rightfully earning the points/activity. Playlisting plays a large role in that, for sure, but also radio, too- not much variety in terms of the holiday airplay chart in the upper portion, either.

I also wouldn't compare them to non-holiday songs that get played/streamed for a time outside of their initial charting. They're not returning to the Hot 100 for lengthy periods of time or annually.

On the plus side, the digital/streaming age has made it easier to track their annual popularity, which is good, and we've had some bonafide holiday classics finally make Hot 100 appearances and reach the upper parts of the chart. The all-time-chart/records debate, rather than the weekly chart, may be the one to focus on.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

All I want for Christmas Is You is known, heard, listened to and loved by more people than Billboard’s current all-time #1 song and y’all can fight me on that on but you know I’m right.

[WolfSpear]

It's inevitable: Less than 10 years from now, "All I Want For Christmas" will have the most weeks at #1 in the history of the Hot 100.

It's probably her most recognizable song to a generation wasn't even born when she was emanicipated

[leonagwen]

Nov 11, 2023 10:00:51 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

All I want for Christmas Is You is known, heard, listened to and loved by more people than Billboard’s current all-time #1 song and y’all can fight me on that on but you know I’m right.

Justice for Brenda Lee!!

[groovetheory]

You all have valid points and reading all this made me question the organic nature of album bombs too. I think album bombs are more questionable than the actually popular holiday music.

Having an album track peaking at #12 and going off the chart the week after seems like a less organic hit than a holiday hit which returns every year as its being consumed. This album track's lifespan and consumption pattern is also different than "a single" and having 13 tracks from an album the same week also deprives another song from reaching its intended peak. If Kill Bill was to have more weeks at no. 1 without holiday music then Greedy could have had more weeks at top 20 if it wasn't for Taylor's album bomb.

Those songs have 1-2 weeks of popularity but go down in history as a top 20 hit but end up with 20M streams. Whereas a christmas hit that returns and peaks at #12 is also considered a top 20 hit but with 200M streams and actual popularity. So comparing a random album track's charting does not make sense to a popular song or a Christmas song too.

Streaming has made things so complex but since Hot 100 is a popularity chart and Christmas music is popular then it is as simple as that. And not all Christmas songs make it, there are songs simply more popular and the best ones make it to the top. Some even may decline in popularity as time goes. They are in competition within themselves too.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 11, 2023 10:33:43 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Nov 11, 2023 10:00:51 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

All I want for Christmas Is You is known, heard, listened to and loved by more people than Billboard’s current all-time #1 song and y’all can fight me on that on but you know I’m right.

Justice for Brenda Lee!!

Oh girl hers is also more known, heard, listened to and beloved than Blinding Lights.

[Darkest Hour]

Nov 11, 2023 10:39:46 GMT -5 groovetheory said:

Having an album track peaking at #12 and going off the chart the week after seems like a less organic hit than a holiday hit which returns every year as its being consumed.

That's exactly a reason why there are different periods for charts to measure popularity in different periods? Also depending on how you would define a hit.

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Nov 11, 2023 10:39:46 GMT -5 groovetheory said:

You all have valid points and reading all this made me question the organic nature of album bombs too. I think album bombs are more questionable than the actually popular holiday music.

Having an album track peaking at #12 and going off the chart the week after seems like a less organic hit than a holiday hit which returns every year as its being consumed. This album track's lifespan and consumption pattern is also different than "a single" and having 13 tracks from an album the same week also deprives another song from reaching its intended peak. If Kill Bill was to have more weeks at no. 1 without holiday music then Greedy could have had more weeks at top 20 if it wasn't for Taylor's album bomb.

Those songs have 1-2 weeks of popularity but go down in history as a top 20 hit but end up with 20M streams. Whereas a christmas hit that returns and peaks at #12 is also considered a top 20 hit but with 200M streams and actual popularity. So comparing a random album track's charting does not make sense to a popular song or a Christmas song too.

Streaming has made things so complex but since Hot 100 is a popularity chart and Christmas music is popular then it is as simple as that. And not all Christmas songs make it, there are songs simply more popular and the best ones make it to the top. Some even may decline in popularity as time goes. They are in competition within themselves too.

I mean, chart peaks are kinda irrelevant, Cruel Summer is #1 with 185 points, and ME! was #2 with like 600. If a song has enough points for the top 20, even if it's for one week - let it be. That album bomb song will peak at #12 and no one will care about it the next week, but the Xmas song will probably appear on the decade-end and all-time list. These charts are all about numbers, and they're based on someone's formula, so it's not REAL.
For example, Sunflower will be the song with more streams in the US this year, but AIWFCIY will end up with 5 weeks at #1 and Sunflower didn't chart.

People can always check Spotify's all-time list which tracks songs without recurrent rules, and Xmas songs will probably never be at the top or close it.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Yeah, why does it matter if a song charts for one week and is off again. The chart measures that week, not the future, not the legacy, not long term and not 2 months ago. Why are people trying to find things from the charts that the charts aren’t even intended to represent. I swear stan twitter got people misunderstanding how charts even work.