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Post by Gary on Jan 3, 2024 9:09:52 GMT -5
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Post by sheardbeard on Jan 3, 2024 9:29:36 GMT -5
Anyone else besides me notice (or find it interesting) that Billboard is listing “(There’s No Place Like) Home For The Holidays” by Perry Como as a new entry this week’s Hot 100 at #50? It has charted the last 5 years. I see they’re emphasizing it with “1954” this time however. How does that make it a new entry?
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Post by awkwardowl on Jan 3, 2024 10:07:17 GMT -5
It's been an... interesting season. The most baffling reactions, I guess, were the streaming "payola" claims RE "Rockin'..." going hand in hand with claims of preferential Spotify treatment. Even with "All I Want For Christmas is You" dominating global Spotify the whole season.  How is it baffling when there was clear evidence? LMAO! Notice the playlisting and positions literally only changed for the few days that helped "RATCT" get to #1 that first week. They then all reverted. How is that not curious, at a minimum? At the very least it isn't "baffling" for people to point it out. Be serious. All "RATCT" getting these other weeks at #1 shows is that whatever preferential treatment happened wasn't necessary to start with. Personally I don't think being the first song on a playlist versus song 2 or 3 makes a real difference anyway; most people are not clicking on a playlist, listening to one song, and then stopping. They're at least going to listen to a few songs. The real difference is being near the top versus the bottom, or of course being on a playlist at all versus not being on it. The real advantage "RATCT," "Jingle Bell Rock," and more have is being in the 'Christmas Classics' playlist for songs from 1940-1980. That playlist is huge, and for an obvious reason songs like "AIWFCIY," "Last Christmas," "Underneath the Tree," and "Santa Tell Me" aren't on it. I just wish Spotify would do an equivalent playlist for newer songs. (And for whatever it's worth, "RATCT" has always been the first song on 'Christmas Classics' yet people aren't questioning that...) AIWFCIY has been the most popular Xmas song every year including this one since early 10s and it will be 30 years old this year. So excluding this track on a playlist with the "Classic" prefix (or even including something in the middle of it) could be anything but obvious. Even realizing what a holiday Christmas seems to be with its ancient traditions. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 3, 2024 10:08:37 GMT -5
Anyone else besides me notice (or find it interesting) that Billboard is listing “(There’s No Place Like) Home For The Holidays” by Perry Como as a new entry this week’s Hot 100 at #50? It has charted the last 5 years. I see they’re emphasizing it with “1954” this time however. How does that make it a new entry? If Wikipedia can be trusted, the song was recorded twice - in 1954 and then again in 1959. It's possible Billboard is treating them as two separate singles, and therefore the 1959 version was the one that charted previously and the 1954 version charted this year. How is it baffling when there was clear evidence? LMAO! Notice the playlisting and positions literally only changed for the few days that helped "RATCT" get to #1 that first week. They then all reverted. How is that not curious, at a minimum? At the very least it isn't "baffling" for people to point it out. Be serious. All "RATCT" getting these other weeks at #1 shows is that whatever preferential treatment happened wasn't necessary to start with. Personally I don't think being the first song on a playlist versus song 2 or 3 makes a real difference anyway; most people are not clicking on a playlist, listening to one song, and then stopping. They're at least going to listen to a few songs. The real difference is being near the top versus the bottom, or of course being on a playlist at all versus not being on it. The real advantage "RATCT," "Jingle Bell Rock," and more have is being in the 'Christmas Classics' playlist for songs from 1940-1980. That playlist is huge, and for an obvious reason songs like "AIWFCIY," "Last Christmas," "Underneath the Tree," and "Santa Tell Me" aren't on it. I just wish Spotify would do an equivalent playlist for newer songs. (And for whatever it's worth, "RATCT" has always been the first song on 'Christmas Classics' yet people aren't questioning that...) AIWFCIY has been the most popular Xmas song every year including this one since early 10s and it will be 30 years old this year. So excluding this track on a playlist with the "Classic" prefix (or even including something in the middle of it) could be anything but obvious. Even realizing what a holiday Christmas seems to be with its ancient traditions. The 'Christmas Classics' playlist is for songs from 1940-1980. The only 'obvious' thing about "AIWFCIY" not being on the playlist is that it was released in 1994. |
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Post by awkwardowl on Jan 3, 2024 10:15:31 GMT -5
The 'Christmas Classics' playlist is for songs from 1940-1980. The only 'obvious' thing about "AIWFCIY" not being on the playlist is that it was released in 1994. I looked at the playlist description, now got that point. Anyway, this situation seems kinda weird. |
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Post by Gary on Jan 3, 2024 10:21:36 GMT -5
The 1959 version of the Perry Como song charted 1 year ago and is credited with all the weeks prior to that, in the recent era
The 1954 version is listed for the first time in the Hot 100 era (although it did chart in the 1954 Christmas season)
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 3, 2024 10:46:47 GMT -5
Anyone else besides me notice (or find it interesting) that Billboard is listing “(There’s No Place Like) Home For The Holidays” by Perry Como as a new entry this week’s Hot 100 at #50? It has charted the last 5 years. I see they’re emphasizing it with “1954” this time however. How does that make it a new entry? Good catch. Apparently the 1954 was a mono version, while the 1959 version that charted on the Hot 100 on previous years was stereo and had a different musical arrangement. So it is quite probable that the 1954 version became the most streamed version this year and is getting the other versions streams as well, given there is only that version charting in the Holiday 100. This reminds of Unchained Melody which actually charted two distinct versions when the movie Ghost was released, with the newer version referred as the 1990 version. But Billboard let both of those versions chart separately in the Hot 100. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 3, 2024 11:04:33 GMT -5
Baffling, jeng, jin part, because the comments were so concentrated on the U.S., when there's no real/tangible way of knowing how any shift in playlists impacted the U.S. chart Are Spotify playlists not across the board for all territories? Understandably, there wouldn't be complaints on areas where AIWFCIY was No. 1 (the global 200 charts), even though that same playlist shifting would impact those charts. Also baffling, as some have mentioned, is the irony in those complaining about "tactics" who likely had/have no issues with the marketing "tactics" record labels used in the past to boost chart positions.
I agree RE playlist listening habits. The order at the top doesn't matter much.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 3, 2024 11:27:26 GMT -5
I'm thinking "holiday classics" is being treated by some (like spotify or whatever) as its own genre in a similar way that "classic rock" has become a particular genre to represent a certain sound and type of rock music from the 60s and 70s. Some places (like "classic rock" radio) have gradually adopted rock songs from the 80s and 90s into the mix, but radio has always worked with loose definitions of genres anyway. When people think of "holiday classics" it's possible that it's generally accepted to refer to Christmas music of a particular time. Now, the suggestion of having a modern classics playlist of holiday songs from the 80s onward makes sense. Doesn't necessarily mean it would get the number of listeners that the classics playlist would, but maybe it would be enough to keep AIWFCIY at #1 every week in every December. After all, that's what this issue is all about isn't it?
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Jan 3, 2024 12:49:48 GMT -5
I’m staying a mile away from next Christmas hot100 thread next year. I can’t even imagine.
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Post by johnm1120 on Jan 3, 2024 13:05:04 GMT -5
Surprised that Jackson 5 and Perry Como had yet to hit the Hot 100 as I hear those songs all the time. I rarely ever hear Perry's IBTLALLC, usually I hear the Bing or Johnny Mathis version.
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Post by jebsib on Jan 3, 2024 13:35:43 GMT -5
I think the Perry Como thing is a typo - On the Holiday 100, it's being treated no different than last week .
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Post by sheardbeard on Jan 3, 2024 13:58:06 GMT -5
Anyone else besides me notice (or find it interesting) that Billboard is listing “(There’s No Place Like) Home For The Holidays” by Perry Como as a new entry this week’s Hot 100 at #50? It has charted the last 5 years. I see they’re emphasizing it with “1954” this time however. How does that make it a new entry? Good catch. Apparently the 1954 was a mono version, while the 1959 version that charted on the Hot 100 on previous years was stereo and had a different musical arrangement. So it is quite probable that the 1954 version became the most streamed version this year and is getting the other versions streams as well, given there is only that version charting in the Holiday 100. This reminds of Unchained Melody which actually charted two distinct versions when the movie Ghost was released, with the newer version referred as the 1990 version. But Billboard let both of those versions chart separately in the Hot 100. I find it interesting that Billboard is differentiating the recordings of Como’s song this year, considering there are also two different recordings of Dean Martin’s “Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow” (recorded in 1959 and 1966), a vocal and instrumental version of Vince Guaraldi Trio’s “Christmastime Is Here”, and at least three different recordings of “White Christmas” by Bing Crosby. |
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Post by Gary on Jan 3, 2024 14:00:22 GMT -5
probably a typo
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Post by sheardbeard on Jan 3, 2024 14:11:26 GMT -5
It actually might not be a typo. The song is now listed twice in Perry Como’s Hot 100 chart history, with one emphasized as “1959” (charting in prior years) and the other emphasized as “1954” that debuted this week. www.billboard.com/artist/perry-como/chart-history/hsi/ |
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Post by thebops on Jan 3, 2024 23:07:35 GMT -5
Good catch. Apparently the 1954 was a mono version, while the 1959 version that charted on the Hot 100 on previous years was stereo and had a different musical arrangement. So it is quite probable that the 1954 version became the most streamed version this year and is getting the other versions streams as well, given there is only that version charting in the Holiday 100. This reminds of Unchained Melody which actually charted two distinct versions when the movie Ghost was released, with the newer version referred as the 1990 version. But Billboard let both of those versions chart separately in the Hot 100. I find it interesting that Billboard is differentiating the recordings of Como’s song this year, considering there are also two different recordings of Dean Martin’s “Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow” (recorded in 1959 and 1966), a vocal and instrumental version of Vince Guaraldi Trio’s “Christmastime Is Here”, and at least three different recordings of “White Christmas” by Bing Crosby. I believe Nat King Cole also recorded "The Christmas Song" 3 times as well. The latest version, from 1961 i think, is the version that gets the most consumption these days. |
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