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Post by 85la on Feb 28, 2024 7:17:27 GMT -5
Anyone know the labels reasoning? Greed? Stupidity? Artists and songwriters aren't being paid fair royalties. TikTok pays a fraction compared to other platforms. If it's greed, it's definitely TikTok. The bigger deal that hasn't been covered much is that it include Universal Music Publishing, which means a huge number of songs that are on non-UMG labels must also be muted/removed. I'm glad UMG is standing up to them. It's shocking when you compare social media + streaming royalties to what artists/songwriters got back in the physical media days. For every *viral* song that benefits from TikTok, there's thousands more that are being used almost for free. And yet, don't you think it's a bit draconian to remove all of their songs entirely from TikTok, preventing their artists and songwriters from getting any money whatsoever? Ironically, they're hurting the very parties they're trying to help. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Feb 28, 2024 8:14:00 GMT -5
Artists and songwriters aren't being paid fair royalties. TikTok pays a fraction compared to other platforms. If it's greed, it's definitely TikTok. The bigger deal that hasn't been covered much is that it include Universal Music Publishing, which means a huge number of songs that are on non-UMG labels must also be muted/removed. I'm glad UMG is standing up to them. It's shocking when you compare social media + streaming royalties to what artists/songwriters got back in the physical media days. For every *viral* song that benefits from TikTok, there's thousands more that are being used almost for free. And yet, don't you think it's a bit draconian to remove all of their songs entirely from TikTok, preventing their artists and songwriters from getting any money whatsoever? Ironically, they're hurting the very parties they're trying to help. If they didn't pull the content when the contract expired, TikTok would have no reason to negotiate. These negotiations have been going on for months. This isn't really different than networks blacking out stations on cable networks or the WGA/SAG strikes. It's always a risk, but a short-term blackout v. a long-term better royalty rate is worth. I'd find it hard to believe that the majority of songwriters/artists don't support this action. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Feb 28, 2024 22:20:05 GMT -5
"Carnival" is a bop to me. Idc. Well I respect your opinion, I honestly think it’s the worst Kanye album track to be promoted as a single. Lyrically it's certainly not his best, as it's primarily sexual in nature, but that production and vibe slap! I love atmospheric songs like that. Reminded me of "Power" in that it is a big/epic sounding song. I personally love those, but I understand how to some it can be a bit jarring/loud. lol |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Feb 29, 2024 0:13:22 GMT -5
US Spotify - 02/27/24
1(=) Kanye West, Ty Dolla $ign - CARNIVAL 3,032,316 (+88,352)
2(=) Beyoncé - TEXAS HOLD EM 1,722,547 (+29,661)
3(=) Benson Boone - Beautiful Things 1,609,506 (+50,489)
4(+1) SZA - Saturn 1,565,153 (+116,287)
5(-1) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 1,541,769 (+24,405)
6(=) 21 Savage - redrum 1,458,952 (+73,348)
7(=) Zach Bryan, Kacey Musgraves - I Remember Everything 1,280,503 (+4,257)
8(=) Djo - End of Beginning 1,248,412 (+14,263)
9(=) Bryson Tiller - Whatever She Wants 1,101,922 (+34,335)
10(=) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 1,083,893 (+29,662)
Other:
11(=) Jack Harlow - Lovin On Me 1,081,824 (+35,336)
12(+1) Xavi - La Diabla 1,023,123 (-6,996)
13(-1) Flo Milli - Never Lose Me 1,011,629 (-18,623)
14(+1) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 974,317 (+24,845)
15(+1) Mitski - My Love Mine All Mine 954,780 (+6,407)
16(-2) Yeat - Breathe 952,471 (-36,963)
17(+2) Tate McRae - greedy 901,051 (+35,343)
18(=) Lil Tecca - 500lbs 898,221 (+1,839)
19(-2) Rich Amiri - ONE CALL 882,266 (-20,385)
21(+1) SZA - Snooze 854,679 (+10,276)
23(-2) YG Marley - Praise Jah in the Moonlight 822,913 (-29,863)
24(=) Kanye West and Ty Dolla $ign - BURN 802,972 (+1,933)
26(=) Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - FE!N 759,163 (+21,374)
27(+2) Sabrina Carpenter - Feather 757,252 (+39,238)
29(-2) Drake, Sexyy Red, SZA - Rich Baby Daddy 732,609 (-2,676)
31(+2) Xavi - La Victima 708,738 (+17,403)
32(+3) JID, 21 Savage, Baby Tate - Surround Sound 708,467 (+42,859)
33(-3) The Weeknd, JENNIE, Lily-Rose Depp - One of the Girls 705,612 (-6,966)
35(-3) Good Neighbors - Home 690,156 (+4,172)
38(+2) Drake, Yeat - IDGAF 650,470 (+20,204)
41(-3) Don Toliver - Bandit 641,770 (+8,271)
42(-3) Zach Bryan - Heading South 641,069 (+8,898)
43(=) Frank Ocean - Pink + White 623,488 (+12,869)
44(=) Kanye West and Ty Dolla $ign - FUK SUMN 610,500 (+9,268)
45(+2) Drake, J. Cole - First Person Shooter 610,187 (+32,692)
46(-1) Doja Cat - Agora Hills 604,310 (+3,630)
47(-1) 4batz - act ii: date @ 8 596,944 (-2,996)
48(+2) Ritchy Mitch & The Coal Miners - Evergreen 593,355 (+19,300)
50(-2) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 574,565 (-2,381)
51(=) The Weeknd, Playboi Carti, Madonna - Popular 571,274 (+3,403)
53(+1) Billie Eilish - What Was I Made For? 562,682 (+14,428)
55(+1) Michael Marcagi - Scared to Start 547,362 (+13,846)
59(+3) Tate McRae - exes 540,433 (+19,285)
62(-2) Kali Uchis, Peso Pluma - Igual Que Un Ángel 520,028 (-6,213)
63(=) Muni Long - Made For Me 514,757 (+3,590)
64(+4) BigXthaPlug - Mmhmm 513,661 (+24,622)
66(-2) Taylor Swift - Is It Over Now? 510,956 (+6,335)
69(=) Dua Lipa - Training Season 500,844 (+14,028)
70(-4) TV Girl - Not Allowed 495,147 (-6,628)
76(+11) 21 Savage, Travis Scott, Metro Boomin - née-nah 478,945 (+19,736)
81(-1) Dylan Gossett - Coal 469,958 (+7,502)
83(+8) Ariana Grande - yes, and? 468,527 (+20,575)
84(-5) Jessie Murph, Jelly Roll - Wild Ones 467,897 (+2,526)
89(+1) Bad Bunny, Feid - PERRO NEGRO 461,025 (+12,463)
91(-2) Tyla - Water 460,957 (+10,799)
94(-6) Ice Spice - Think U The Shit (Fart) 454,174 (-1,484)
95(-21) Noah Kahan - Northern Attitude 453,492 (-22,206)
99(-7) Travis Scott - MY EYES 449,318 (+3,066)
101(-2) Brent Faiyaz - Best Time 443,783 (+6,441)
102(-9) Natasha Bedingfield - Unwritten 443,617 (-2,100)
103(-19) Noah Kahan - Forever 441,392 (-18,556)
107(+7) Lil Yachty - A Cold Sunday 440,431 (+15,270)
109(+4) Morgan Wallen, Eric Church - Man Made A Bar 433,141 (+7,725)
110(-9) Kanye West and Ty Dolla $ign - BACK TO ME 432,825 (-2,872)
111(-6) Arctic Monkeys - I Wanna Be Yours 431,295 (-2,041)
112(+4) Zach Bryan - Oklahoma Smokeshow 430,942 (+7,429)
117(-15) Blake Roman, Sam Haft, Andrew Underberg - Poison 423,107 (-12,133)
119(+5) Nicki Minaj - FTCU 423,049 (+14,816)
124(-18) LE SSERAFIM - EASY 416,463 (-16,610)
127(-8) PARTYNEXTDOOR - Break from Toronto 407,947 (-2,920)
128(-7) Travis Scott, Swae Lee, Chief Keef - Nightcrawler 406,591 (-3,796)
129(+17) Dua Lipa - Houdini 406,477 (+19,137)
131(-11) The Red Clay Strays - Wondering Why 403,436 (-7,091)
135(+25) Drake - You Broke My Heart 401,328 (+24,545)
146(+10) Key Glock - Let's Go 393,195 (+10,163)
147(-12) Usher, Ludacris, Lil Jon - Yeah! 392,843 (-3,228)
151(-19) Andrew Underberg, Sam Haft, Keith David, Blake Roman - Loser, Baby 388,696 (-10,803)
153(+5) KAROL G, Tiësto - CONTIGO 387,555 (+9,334)
157(-7) Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Murder On the Dancefloor 385,918 (-438)
159(+10) Taylor Swift - Don't Blame Me 382,618 (+13,480)
163(-19) Peso Pluma, Anitta - BELLAKEO 378,817 (-9,213)
166(+10) Steve Lacy - Some 375,510 (+13,278)
168(-6) Xavi, Los Dareyes De La Sierra - Poco A Poco 374,043 (-1,543)
171(-7) Noah Kahan - All My Love 371,432 (-2,274)
177(+3) Luke Combs - Where the Wild Things Are 364,104 (+7,534)
179(+20) Metro Boomin, Travis Scott - Overdue 360,368 (+20,742)
186(+6) Feid, ATL Jacob - LUNA 356,471 (+11,968)
191(-1) Cody Johnson - The Painter 354,502 (+7,535)
193(-15) Morgan Wallen - Spin You Around (Morgan's Version) 352,256 (-6,643)
194(-1) Warren Zeiders - Pretty Little Poison 349,893 (+5,802)
196(-5) HARDY - TRUCK BED 348,474 (+3,688)
197(-27) Bob Marley & The Wailers - Could You Be Loved 348,469 (-19,333)
Biggest Gains (50K+): redrum, Saturn, Beautiful Things, CARNIVAL
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Post by iHype. on Feb 29, 2024 1:36:33 GMT -5
cant believe Kanye's really close to getting his first lead credit #1 in 17 years, especially after all the neo-Nazi shit. Just more evidence cancel culture does not exist irl. People have to realize the cancel audience usually has to actually have some overlap with the artist's demo. Kanye, Morgan, etc's audience is mostly straight men. They don't care about cancel culture. The people who were outraged over them were majority people who rarely (or absolutely never) listen to their music to even begin with. Lady Gaga or Taylor Swift doing something like what they did would have a different effect simply because their fanbase is more concerned with ethics/politics and those artists have made their brand about being 'good/kind people'. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Feb 29, 2024 6:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by mms82 on Feb 29, 2024 11:03:03 GMT -5
cant believe Kanye's really close to getting his first lead credit #1 in 17 years, especially after all the neo-Nazi shit. Just more evidence cancel culture does not exist irl. People have to realize the cancel audience usually has to actually have some overlap with the artist's demo. Kanye, Morgan, etc's audience is mostly straight men. They don't care about cancel culture. The people who were outraged over them were majority people who rarely (or absolutely never) listen to their music to even begin with. Lady Gaga or Taylor Swift doing something like what they did would have a different effect simply because their fanbase is more concerned with ethics/politics and those artists have made their brand about being 'good/kind people'. Lizzo is the only artist who has noticeably been “cancelled” - and still barely, her streams are down but she’s still presenting at the Grammy’s etc despite her vile sexual assault accusations The only reason hers is mildly successful is because her audience for her h&m empowerment music is upper class white women, the only sizable demographic to really care about this stuff. |
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Post by 85la on Feb 29, 2024 11:13:33 GMT -5
I think cancel culture isn't really a thing anymore. 90% of people hate it. And I can't think of anybody who has been successfully cancelled in years. It worked for a while in the mid-10's when it was a new thing and people didn't know how to react to it. R. Kelly is a fairly recent example (I would say by 2019) of someone who has absolutely been canceled. More so because his audience probably skews much more female than West's, and would care much more about the things he did. Justin Timberlake is in the midst of a cancellation now for much of the same, though obviously less extreme, reasons. |
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Post by avamaxstan on Feb 29, 2024 11:57:08 GMT -5
I think cancel culture isn't really a thing anymore. 90% of people hate it. And I can't think of anybody who has been successfully cancelled in years. It worked for a while in the mid-10's when it was a new thing and people didn't know how to react to it. R. Kelly is a fairly recent example (I would say by 2019) of someone who has absolutely been canceled. More so because his audience probably skews much more female than West's, and would care much more about the things he did. Justin Timberlake is in the midst of a cancellation now for much of the same, though obviously less extreme, reasons. R. Kelly is spending the rest of his life in prison for child rape and trafficking, that's way beyond cancellation. And Kanye's actions have resulted in billions in lost wealth, dropped from his label and every endorsement, being de-platformed from major music services, essentially blacklisted at radio, and may never be invited to another award show or even receive a nomination. No reputable brand will touch him anymore. That's a pretty solid cancellation, even if his new collab album is doing big streaming numbers. |
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Post by avamaxstan on Feb 29, 2024 12:30:05 GMT -5
I'm genuinely curious, is there anybody on here who's casually streaming Carnival? Like somebody who isn't a Kanye die hard and is just streaming Carnival while ignoring the rest of the album? Since at this point those are the people making it such a big hit and I don't get it at all, I genuinely want to understand why this song became such a juggernaut To be posting these consistently massive streaming numbers for weeks now, clearly it's general public not just Kanye stans. Radio and digital sales are keeping Beyonce above him. If he releases a music video, he's probably getting the #1. |
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Post by mms82 on Feb 29, 2024 13:18:52 GMT -5
I'm genuinely curious, is there anybody on here who's casually streaming Carnival? Like somebody who isn't a Kanye die hard and is just streaming Carnival while ignoring the rest of the album? Since at this point those are the people making it such a big hit and I don't get it at all, I genuinely want to understand why this song became such a juggernaut I’m a Swiftie who really hasn’t seriously listened to Kanye since MBDTF, gave the album a curiosity listen because I’m honestly just shocked he got his stuff together to release it, and Carnival is on my regular rotation and nothing else really appealed to me |
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