Katy Perry : "Woman's World"

[Enigma.]

Jul 12, 2024 14:20:27 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Jul 12, 2024 14:13:02 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I think people are more like baffled how this has been happening to someone of her caliber, who have been in charge of this car crash we are witnessing.

I mean even Michael Jackson and Whitney high on all their drugs didn't destroy their eras like this.

But what even is her caliber, at this point? Faded 2000s/2010s pop star who's only recent relevance is a hosting gig on a talent show?

I could expect a song like this from someone like Kim Petras, all she has to lose is potential top 100 position on album chart and a placement on Hot 100 Bubbling Under. She can always go and start trying with something fresh. 40 year old Katy Perry, who has the biggest album era of all time in terms of Hot 100 success, is a bit different story.

It seems also a bit like Justin Timberlake's latest era too, that before the album is out of course, but that was also a PR catastrophe right from the start, thanks to his statements about Britney and awful lead single.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

To be honest "Woman's World" isn't too different from her previous giant hits like "Roar", "California Girls" in that it's palatable, inoffensive, a bit vapid, and everything we expect from a Katy Perry song, but I think that's part of the issue. Brainless 2010s pop isn't in vogue ATM, let alone one with a cliche, overt, female empowerment message co-written by an alleged rapist no less (the tone-deafness of which is unfathomable to me). This might click with soccer moms, but anyone younger is going to find this cringe at best and insufferable at worst (especially in a slightly more intellectual, politically correct culture). I think people wanted a banger from Katy, but one that sounds like it could have evolved from her heyday, not plucked from it directly. Instead of exemplifying her strengths in the best ways, it highlights them in the worst. What's most baffling is it's clear she believed this would be the song to get her back on track commercially.

[LoveKiller]

I honestly feel like she can't win. Witness was too woke and Smile didn't have anything hit-worthy bar Never Really Over. She returns to form and everyone has an issue with that too.

[Enigma.]

Jul 12, 2024 14:40:48 GMT -5 LoveKiller said:

I honestly feel like she can't win. Witness was too woke and Smile didn't have anything hit-worthy bar Never Really Over. She returns to form and everyone has an issue with that too.

Debatable.

[Juan Carlos]

This is the latest flyer from Capitol.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 12, 2024 14:40:48 GMT -5 LoveKiller said:

I honestly feel like she can't win. Witness was too woke and Smile didn't have anything hit-worthy bar Never Really Over. She returns to form and everyone has an issue with that too.

She most certainly can win (some of the songs on her album sound fantastic and likely would have been received much better), I just think she's shooting herself in the foot with her own choices. First "Woman's World" is the worst of the clips I've heard from the album, so it was a poor first single selection. Secondly she chose to not only work with Luke, not only to make a female empowerment anthem with an alleged rapist, not only to release it, but as the lead of her comeback! The reception of this can't really be blamed on anyone but her at this point and it was easily avoidable. She set herself up for an array of criticisms and the only way I can make sense of it is that she felt this song was a guaranteed smash (which is puzzling).

[Maximillian]

Jul 12, 2024 14:40:48 GMT -5 LoveKiller said:

I honestly feel like she can't win. Witness was too woke and Smile didn't have anything hit-worthy bar Never Really Over. She returns to form and everyone has an issue with that too.

Part of it is that she’s trying too hard, and seemingly, one step behind at the same time. Her contemporaries (Gaga, Beyonce, Pink, Taylor Swift, Nicki Minaj, Miley Cyrus) all have found ways to remain authentic to their brands while *evolving* it in a more mature way.

I think songs like Harley’s in Hawaii and 365 were a spotlight on how she can grow as a mom, evolve her sound, stay edgy and be a pop star. However, she keeps dropping somewhat half baked songs that just seem like any generic pop star could have pushed out.

[avamaxstan]

Jul 12, 2024 14:40:48 GMT -5 LoveKiller said:

I honestly feel like she can't win. Witness was too woke and Smile didn't have anything hit-worthy bar Never Really Over. She returns to form and everyone has an issue with that too.

LMAO "returns to form." This is literally her creative nadir, one of the worst lead singles ever from a main pop girl. And she very easily *could* have won, she had momentum and people genuinely rooting for her. She brought this all on herself with horrible choices and judgment calls.

[leonagwen]

My local station is playing this every hour today, so it looks like it has a radio deal. Forum members criticizing this song, Lol, shes winning on Pop radio.

[Maximillian]

Jul 12, 2024 15:19:59 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

My local station is playing this every hour today, so it looks like it has a radio deal. Forum members criticizing this song, Lol, shes winning on Pop radio.

Ah yes, because the song has a radio deal she’s going to win at pop radio and is immune from critiques in a pop music forum. Right, right.

[Choco]

Jul 12, 2024 12:02:01 GMT -5 Choco said:

You know it's over when people celebrate iTunes placement in 2024.

About that...

[Music Fan]

By no means I'm a huge KP fan, but this is quite inoffensive. This isn't going to go #1 and Katy's team would be stupid to think they have a #1 record on their hands. But its also not the flop Pulse is making it out to be. This should allow Katy to ride along for a few weeks, let people know she's back, and she can release a better second single at the end of August / beginning of September.

[haven]

the sad thing is if she were to have written a legitimate female empowerment anthem and not just some vague nonsense it could've done very well. Women's rights are an important topic right now, and it would've connected a lot better with her audience than in 2016 imo.

[leonagwen]

Jul 12, 2024 15:23:46 GMT -5 Maximillian said:

Jul 12, 2024 15:19:59 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

My local station is playing this every hour today, so it looks like it has a radio deal. Forum members criticizing this song, Lol, shes winning on Pop radio.

Ah yes, because the song has a radio deal she’s going to win at pop radio and is immune from critiques in a pop music forum. Right, right.

Its gonna get a jumpstart on radio and get huge updates for at least the next week. So she wins the first week.

[Az Paynter]

Jul 12, 2024 15:19:59 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

My local station is playing this every hour today, so it looks like it has a radio deal. Forum members criticizing this song, Lol, shes winning on Pop radio.

Remember Ed and Taylor's 'Joker & The Queen' remix? Pretty sure that had a radio deal too, a huge splashy debut and it was still dead in the water in a month having barely scraped the top 30 (if that).

Now, that was a rather extreme scenario but a premiere radio deal doesn't mean shit for overall performance. This can still turn out DOA or lose steam real fast.

[leonagwen]

Jul 12, 2024 15:39:20 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Jul 12, 2024 15:19:59 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

My local station is playing this every hour today, so it looks like it has a radio deal. Forum members criticizing this song, Lol, shes winning on Pop radio.

Remember Ed and Taylor's 'Joker & The Queen' remix? Pretty sure that had a radio deal too, a huge splashy debut and it was still dead in the water in a month having barely scraped the top 30 (if that).

Now, that was a rather extreme scenario but a premiere radio deal doesn't mean shit for overall performance. This can still turn out DOA or lose steam real fast.

Good point, I guess we will see what happens. The Spotify #s tomorrow morning will give a good indication on the future of this song.

[heybren22]

Honestly, the Lifetimes snippet alone sounds so much better and more creative than this. Why, girl :(

I'm just hoping she's gonna come with a "We Can't Be Friends" next, coz this is def a "yes and?" equivalent (without Ariana's gp goodwill, to top it all)

Is it too late to release Hummingbird Heartbeat? Sounds more current, tbh.

[Choco]

The inoffensive/generic/not that bad excuses do not work because they ignore the fact that she needed to come back stronger after two underperforming albums.

[PerPlexied]

Jul 12, 2024 14:20:27 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Jul 12, 2024 14:13:02 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I think people are more like baffled how this has been happening to someone of her caliber, who have been in charge of this car crash we are witnessing.

I mean even Michael Jackson and Whitney high on all their drugs didn't destroy their eras like this.

But what even is her caliber, at this point? Faded 2000s/2010s pop star who's only recent relevance is a hosting gig on a talent show?

Talking recent "relevance" about somebody who has 9 #1 hits and multiple diamond singles while being an Ava Max stan is peak irony.

[Maximillian]

Jul 12, 2024 15:37:17 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Jul 12, 2024 15:23:46 GMT -5 Maximillian said:

Ah yes, because the song has a radio deal she’s going to win at pop radio and is immune from critiques in a pop music forum. Right, right.

Its gonna get a jumpstart on radio and get huge updates for at least the next week. So she wins the first week.

She will have massive numbers tomorrow considering people are curious, and if you google her name, she’s got buzz from lots of mixed / negative headlines.

I’m more curious about the numbers several days from now.

I wouldn’t call any of this PR “a win”.

[Dylan :)]

Jul 12, 2024 16:11:23 GMT -5 PerPlexied said:

Jul 12, 2024 14:20:27 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

But what even is her caliber, at this point? Faded 2000s/2010s pop star whose only recent relevance is a hosting gig on a talent show?

Talking recent "relevance" about somebody who has 9 #1 hits and multiple diamond singles while being an Ava Max stan is peak irony.

9 #1s ten years ago

[avamaxstan]

Jul 12, 2024 16:11:23 GMT -5 PerPlexied said:

Jul 12, 2024 14:20:27 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

But what even is her caliber, at this point? Faded 2000s/2010s pop star who's only recent relevance is a hosting gig on a talent show?

Talking recent "relevance" about somebody who has 9 #1 hits and multiple diamond singles while being an Ava Max stan is peak irony.

Music forum usernames and avi's are often ironic nowadays, perhaps it was different back in 2003 when you opened your account.

[Az Paynter]

Apparently there's a 'Modest Edit' of the video that's been released, but I can't watch it because it's geo-blocked in Australia.

[PerPlexied]

Jul 12, 2024 16:27:42 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Jul 12, 2024 16:11:23 GMT -5 PerPlexied said:

Talking recent "relevance" about somebody who has 9 #1 hits and multiple diamond singles while being an Ava Max stan is peak irony.

Music forum usernames and avi's are often ironic nowadays, perhaps it was different back in 2003 when you opened your account.

You're too young to be this miserable. Maybe ask your parents for a greater allowance.

[LoveKiller]

I remember when Pulse was a fun place to post and people weren't in their feelings/defensive over every opposing viewpoint. Sheesh.

Anyway, I totally get the "tone deaf" accusations - I'm personally not a fan of her working with Dr. Luke either. But at the end of the day, the general public aren't as aware of that nor have they heard the album snippets. Taking the song/video at face value, as most people will, I don't think it's as bad as some are making it out to be.

[Khia]

Damn, this thread is a dumpster fire already.

[jeremyald]

I honestly think she felt the public was waiting for her triumphant return following American Idol and had a false sense of confidence that she was going to have another Teenage Dream era.

There's no other explanation for putting out such trash and openly risking her image in the industry by collaborating with Dr Luke on a female empowerment anthem.

[SPRΞΞ]

Jul 12, 2024 17:26:21 GMT -5 LoveKiller said:

I remember when Pulse was a fun place to post and people weren't in their feelings/defensive over every opposing viewpoint. Sheesh.

Anyway, I totally get the "tone deaf" accusations - I'm personally not a fan of her working with Dr. Luke either. But at the end of the day, the general public aren't as aware of that nor have they heard the album snippets. Taking the song/video at face value, as most people will, I don't think it's as bad as some are making it out to be.

It’s definitely not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. And so what. What happens if everything flops and she comes back 4 years later with another album with top notch production and visuals again? It seems she always has budget, so I’m not sure how exactly this negative talk actually affects her music output. She seemingly always brings it no matter if it flops or not. Maybe the scathing reviews don’t bother her.

[popwizard]

Like Rihanna said, generic pop records that anyone could sing. She honestly hasn't had a hit album since Teenage Dream. Prism, as far as I'm concerned, was the start of her downfall. That era was saved by Dark Horse. But other than that, it was a pretty flop era. She's definitely pop radio fodder. However, that was in a time and place; it was a generational thing. We've moved on from Katy Perry. She's still using the same formulaic sound that she calls music. She literally makes the most generic music I've ever heard. And the scathing reviews are deserved because she's working with a rapist and singing a women's empowerment anthem. She's just mean. Kesha's Joyride song is better. I love that the reviews are so scathing because she's a mean person. I think she deserves it. She's just getting what she deserves.

I’ll also add that she looks old. Is she unable to evolve?

[wjr15]

Imagine calling an era with two massive #1 Diamond singles a flop lmao. Majority of pop girls would kill for that. There was always going to be diminished returns after having the biggest pop era of the century.