Katy Perry : "Woman's World"

[Juan Carlos]

Projected to start with more than three million global Spotify streams on day one and confirms a huge debut at radio too.

From HITS:

Tom March's Team Capitol has all hands on deck to roll out new music from superstar Katy Perry, whose single "Woman's World" dropped this week ahead of new album 143 (due 9/20).

The set finds Perry reuniting with longtime collaborator Dr. Luke, with whom she made her biggest records, as well as hitmaker extraordinaire Max Martin.

"Woman's World," which spawned a wild, irreverent, proudly feminist video, is off to a strong start: The vid is the #1 trending clip on YouTube, and the song is expected to notch north of 3m global Spotify streams on day one. "World" also quickly made the Top 5 at iTunes.

Expect Greg Marella and his promo squad to ensure a huge look at radio, which is already said to be champing at the bit for this track.

What other tricks does the Katy crew have up its collective sleeve? What surprises await on the album, which Perry has said was titled for her 'angel number'? Speaking of numbers, everyone involved here has told us to lose theirs.

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Jul 12, 2024 17:00:12 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Apparently there's a 'Modest Edit' of the video that's been released, but I can't watch it because it's geo-blocked in Australia.

I assume this could be seen in the MENA (Middle East and North Africa) region, where the artwork of the album was changed.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 12, 2024 12:35:23 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

YouTube stats:
2.6m views, 250k likes, 105k dislikes, 35k comments

・271,892 likes
・161,607 dislikes
・3.5 million views
・39k comments

That's a now 37% dislike ratio. Good would be around 10%. In terms of "public perception" of the song/video, this isn't good.

[bat1990]

There's a production sound effect under the chorus that reminds me of another song but I can't parse what it is and it's driving me mad.

EDIT: I FIGURED IT OUT!!!!!!! It's the intro of "Making Out" by No Doubt

[Dammn Baby]

Jul 12, 2024 18:02:55 GMT -5 popwizard said:

Like Rihanna said, generic pop records that anyone could sing. She honestly hasn't had a hit album since Teenage Dream. Prism, as far as I'm concerned, was the start of her downfall. That era was saved by Dark Horse. But other than that, it was a pretty flop era. She's definitely pop radio fodder. However, that was in a time and place; it was a generational thing. We've moved on from Katy Perry. She's still using the same formulaic sound that she calls music. She literally makes the most generic music I've ever heard. And the scathing reviews are deserved because she's working with a rapist and singing a women's empowerment anthem. She's just mean. Kesha's Joyride song is better. I love that the reviews are so scathing because she's a mean person. I think she deserves it. She's just getting what she deserves.

I’ll also add that she looks old. Is she unable to evolve?

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Jul 12, 2024 18:02:55 GMT -5 popwizard said:

Like Rihanna said, generic pop records that anyone could sing. She honestly hasn't had a hit album since Teenage Dream. Prism, as far as I'm concerned, was the start of her downfall. That era was saved by Dark Horse. But other than that, it was a pretty flop era. She's definitely pop radio fodder. However, that was in a time and place; it was a generational thing. We've moved on from Katy Perry. She's still using the same formulaic sound that she calls music. She literally makes the most generic music I've ever heard. And the scathing reviews are deserved because she's working with a rapist and singing a women's empowerment anthem. She's just mean. Kesha's Joyride song is better. I love that the reviews are so scathing because she's a mean person. I think she deserves it. She's just getting what she deserves.

I’ll also add that she looks old. Is she unable to evolve?

LMAO this made me laugh, thank you. It feels like you started writing this post 20 hours ago, and then added whatever came to your mind over time.

Yes, PRISM was her decline (everything would be since you can't top 6 #1s plus 2 top 3s), but that doesn't mean it wasn't successful. If you call a 5x-6x platinum album with two 15x platinum or more certified songs flop, then basically everything in the last 15 years was a flop, besides albums like 21, 1989, Scorpion, Midnights, SOUR and Beerbongs & Bentleys.

[Maximillian]

I’ve voiced my thoughts here enough.

It’s not for me.

I am optimistic for the other tracks. The snippets I’ve heard are fire.

Taking my personal thoughts out of this - this song is polarizing (that’s clear by the data, public outcry and reviews). I think her label would be smart to ready another track and quickly move on, save the era. Even if this does start off strong on radio. We’ve seen BAD songs become radio hits before— and the public hated them (Taylor Swift “Me”) that have ruined eras (Lover did fine, but its renaissance came years later, and the era would have done better with “Cruel Summer” kicking it off). Katy doesn’t need to fall into the same situation if there’s another hit song ready to go.

Based on the clips from the other songs, this isn’t the strongest they have. So there really is very little reason to hold onto this or die on this hill.

[twilightskies]

Jul 12, 2024 15:31:32 GMT -5 Music Fan said:

By no means I'm a huge KP fan, but this is quite inoffensive. This isn't going to go #1 and Katy's team would be stupid to think they have a #1 record on their hands. But its also not the flop Pulse is making it out to be. This should allow Katy to ride along for a few weeks, let people know she's back, and she can release a better second single at the end of August / beginning of September.

I'm sorry but considering that her lead single is essentially DOA within just a day of its release, that in itself is likely to kill any momentum that her album could've had. I'm not seeing how Katy is going to "ride along for a few weeks" with a critically panned single that will do nothing on the charts, unless there's something I'm missing.

[Choco]

For comparison Stupid Love did 5.6m on it's first day on Spotify back in 2020. With 4 years of streaming growth 3m is... eh. It's about what I expected when reactions came polarizingly divided but also hardly a catastrophe if it can somehow get legs. But that's a big if.

Really really thought she was smart enough to drop an undeniable hit because it feels like this is probably her last chance to reignite her mainstream career. Honestly 80% of the tracks on Smile would have been a better choice than this lol.

[mccloud]

The song is mid. "Biggest hits" ugh

[HEADOFTHEPACK]

Jul 12, 2024 17:55:20 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Jul 12, 2024 17:26:21 GMT -5 LoveKiller said:

I remember when Pulse was a fun place to post and people weren't in their feelings/defensive over every opposing viewpoint. Sheesh.

Anyway, I totally get the "tone deaf" accusations - I'm personally not a fan of her working with Dr. Luke either. But at the end of the day, the general public aren't as aware of that nor have they heard the album snippets. Taking the song/video at face value, as most people will, I don't think it's as bad as some are making it out to be.

It’s definitely not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. And so what. What happens if everything flops and she comes back 4 years later with another album with top notch production and visuals again? It seems she always has budget, so I’m not sure how exactly this negative talk actually affects her music output. She seemingly always brings it no matter if it flops or not. Maybe the scathing reviews don’t bother her.

Oh, they definitely bother her. You must have read how she dealt with the Witness reaction?

[zdm1998]

Jul 12, 2024 19:33:49 GMT -5 Choco said:

For comparison Stupid Love did 5.6m on it's first day on Spotify back in 2020. With 4 years of streaming growth 3m is... eh. It's about what I expected when reactions came polarizingly divided but also hardly a catastrophe if it can somehow get legs. But that's a big if.

Really really thought she was smart enough to drop an undeniable hit because it feels like this is probably her last chance to reignite her mainstream career. Honestly 80% of the tracks on Smile would have been a better choice than this lol.

Was “Stupid Love” playlisted good during release week? Genuinely asking because this isn’t in TTH on Spotify.

[Choco]

Jul 12, 2024 20:17:43 GMT -5 zdm1998 said:

Jul 12, 2024 19:33:49 GMT -5 Choco said:

For comparison Stupid Love did 5.6m on it's first day on Spotify back in 2020. With 4 years of streaming growth 3m is... eh. It's about what I expected when reactions came polarizingly divided but also hardly a catastrophe if it can somehow get legs. But that's a big if.

Really really thought she was smart enough to drop an undeniable hit because it feels like this is probably her last chance to reignite her mainstream career. Honestly 80% of the tracks on Smile would have been a better choice than this lol.

Was “Stupid Love” playlisted good during release week? Genuinely asking because this isn’t in TTH on Spotify.

No idea but if it's playlisted badly that's her team's fault. The song got a very good promo push. I don't think anyone can deny it's target audience is aware that it dropped.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Jul 12, 2024 20:17:43 GMT -5 zdm1998 said:

Jul 12, 2024 19:33:49 GMT -5 Choco said:

For comparison Stupid Love did 5.6m on it's first day on Spotify back in 2020. With 4 years of streaming growth 3m is... eh. It's about what I expected when reactions came polarizingly divided but also hardly a catastrophe if it can somehow get legs. But that's a big if.

Really really thought she was smart enough to drop an undeniable hit because it feels like this is probably her last chance to reignite her mainstream career. Honestly 80% of the tracks on Smile would have been a better choice than this lol.

Was “Stupid Love” playlisted good during release week? Genuinely asking because this isn’t in TTH on Spotify.

just checked, and it was #1 on its debut day, but fell to #2 after:

also, fun fact...Katy's Small Talk was #1 on TTH...

[zdm1998]

Yeah so that’s not exactly a fair comparison if Gaga was #1 on release day in the playlist and Katy is nowhere to be found.

I agree it’s her teams fault for that, but it’s still not a level playing field.

I just don’t know why they wouldn’t playlist it. They were surprising me with the good promo with everything else, until I saw it was missing from the major Spotify and Apple playlists.

[Resident_Evil]

This is straight up garbage.

[popwizard]

Jul 12, 2024 18:07:33 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

Imagine calling an era with two massive #1 Diamond singles a flop lmao. Majority of pop girls would kill for that. There was always going to be diminished returns after having the biggest pop era of the century.

It was definitely the start of her downfall and a flop era, and she never recovered after—with each subsequent era also flopping. She’s already done American Idol and a Vegas residency, so hopefully, she’ll be out of the public eye for good after this album continues her series of flops and bruises her ego once more.

Prism was a flop era in context of how it ended and what came after. She had a series of flop singles; her music was more of the same, and the album wasn’t critically acclaimed. She still hasn’t gotten that Grammy, huh? Even if an artist has an underperforming era, it might be a critical success, a concept album, or experimentation—something different. Prism and everything after were none of those things.

She should retire. Her working with Dr. Luke is the icing on the cake, highlighting what a horrible person she is and how much power she thinks she wields to believe she can get away with it.

The reviews are brutal for a reason, and I love it.

[SPRΞΞ]

Jul 12, 2024 21:21:24 GMT -5 popwizard said:

Jul 12, 2024 18:07:33 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

Imagine calling an era with two massive #1 Diamond singles a flop lmao. Majority of pop girls would kill for that. There was always going to be diminished returns after having the biggest pop era of the century.

It was definitely the start of her downfall and a flop era, and she never recovered after—with each subsequent era also flopping. She’s already done American Idol and a Vegas residency, so hopefully, she’ll be out of the public eye for good after this album continues her series of flops and bruises her ego once more.

Prism was a flop era in context of how it ended and what came after. She had a series of flop singles; her music was more of the same, and the album wasn’t critically acclaimed. She still hasn’t gotten that Grammy, huh? Even if an artist has an underperforming era, it might be a critical success, a concept album, or experimentation—something different. Prism and everything after were none of those things.

She should retire. Her working with Dr. Luke is the icing on the cake, highlighting what a horrible person she is and how much power she thinks she wields to believe she can get away with it.

The reviews are brutal for a reason, and I love it.

Katy obviously lives RENT FREE in your mind.

[Juanca]

She’s definitely had worse singles than this one, but WW is a letdown. It’s not horrible. I kinda like the production and the chorus kinda gets stuck. But this is a wasted opportunity. There was an interesting idea, but needed some good writers to beef up the lyrics and turn it into something stronger or that doesn’t sound like a parody; and the production could’ve been strengthened with better vocal production, and more nuances in sound. Plus it’s too freaking short.
Wish this had been When I’m gone - a MUCH more interesting song for her.
Still rooting for her as one of the most successful female artist ever. And because even recently she’s had pretty good tunes (NRO, CTTR, 365, WIG)

[SPRΞΞ]

I think this is actually pretty great. It completely grew on me. I wish it was longer! Maybe there’s an extended mix out there (or 2 or 3)

[Koochie]

Ok but let’s talk about real feminism though

[rainie]

i guess i'll give her this -- this is a *slightly* more memorable lead single then daisies was. other then that though ,,,, yeesh. cant wait to watch this 2014 album track ass song crater

[Maximillian]

Jul 12, 2024 22:51:33 GMT -5 Koochie said:

Ok but let’s talk about real feminism though

Truth

[Ace]

I wonder if Katy has ever heard the Cher song.

(Also in for this being thread of the year.)

[SHOOTER]

Pulse trashing it makes me want to love it but this is severely mid and way too full of generic cheese, even for her. I'm confident the album will still have several bops for me to enjoy as they all have which is all I care about in the end.

[Enigma.]

This is not charting on US Apple Music yet which is a bit alarming for the Hot 100 debut - it is her COMEBACK single after all.

Regarding Cher's WW, I know Katy isn't Cher and vice versa, but that song (written by four men btw) has the structure and lyrics that it actually FEELS like an empowerment song, and Cher delivers it perfectly. It's not that difficult really, if you really try, but Katy chose to go with a joke.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

I said before this originally sounded like a song I could hear Cher singing, turns out she already did sing "Woman's World" and hers was way better. lol

Meanwhile, now I get "We Are Family" stuck in my head every time I think of this song's chorus.

[avamaxstan]

Jul 12, 2024 15:31:32 GMT -5 Music Fan said:

By no means I'm a huge KP fan, but this is quite inoffensive. This isn't going to go #1 and Katy's team would be stupid to think they have a #1 record on their hands. But its also not the flop Pulse is making it out to be. This should allow Katy to ride along for a few weeks, let people know she's back, and she can release a better second single at the end of August / beginning of September.

I think a lot of people find her entire shtick offensive, from the rapist-misogynist producer to the video that seems to mock women and thinks dancing in a thong with a bedazzled power drill is some kind of empowering message.

[collin]

Jul 13, 2024 0:57:30 GMT -5 avamaxstan said:

Jul 12, 2024 15:31:32 GMT -5 Music Fan said:

By no means I'm a huge KP fan, but this is quite inoffensive. This isn't going to go #1 and Katy's team would be stupid to think they have a #1 record on their hands. But it’s also not the flop Pulse is making it out to be. This should allow Katy to ride along for a few weeks, let people know she's back, and she can release a better second single at the end of August / beginning of September.

I think a lot of people find her entire concept offensive, from the rapist-misogynist producer to her belief that dancing in a thong with a bedazzled power drill would be empowering to women.

The thing is, she has always been an out of touch dummy. For some reason not everyone has picked up on that, but everyone and their mother woke up to it now.

It’s astonishing that this was green lit as the lead single. Surely there were better options. This is a horrible one.

[Dylan :)]

[Enigma.]

Never Really Over won this battle.