Katy Perry : "Woman's World"

[ObhiDonna]

That is just sad given what she intended to do with this single and wanting a pop comeback.

Here’s hoping radio gives it some traction at least.

[jamatthews83]

About as expected.

[mccloud]

Never Really Over is her only good 1st single in the past decade

[Az Paynter]

POP:
-- 34 KATY PERRY Woman's World 1379 0 1379 4.093

HOT AC:
-- 28 KATY PERRY Woman's World 645 0 645 2.258

+503 Spins
+503 Bullet
+1.914 Audience

AC:
-- 39 KATY PERRY Woman's World 15 0 15 0.042

[Sir Benji]

This sounds very similar to "Stupid Love" once the chorus kicks in. I'm not sure if this will be a big enough hit to where she can have a substantial comeback after the bad reception to "Smile" and all the other bad press though.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Expected at least 3M WW and 800k in the US, but I'm not surprised at all by these numbers, given the reception and hate. I understand people are angry because she's working with that producer again, but acting like this is the worst song in the last 20 years or something, when it's the average KP's album track, is hilarious.

I do agree it's basic af, and that Katy is totally out of touch when it comes to choosing the right single, ever since Roar.

[MissAmericana]

This might chart lower than “Daisies”.

[wavey.]

Yesss ok Top 40! Who was expecting a big debut especially after the performance of "Smile"🙄

And oh hey, another tired ass review, what's new?

[avamaxstan]

Saw this post which kind of sums it up perfectly:

“Has there EVER been a bigger f*ck up by a big pop star in the history of pop music for a comeback single? I'm genuinely baffled at the whole thing, what an absolute DISASTER :rip:

Seriously guys, think about it: Katy had developed SO MUCH goodwill over the years, she was getting so many positive viral tweets, there was a real sense of nostalgia for her past work, Teenage Dream is particular was getting really strong streaming numbers. People were truly ROOTING for her to have a comeback.

And what did she decide to do? She voluntarily went back to L*ke when she could've worked with literally anyone else and decided to release an absolutely atrocious song that sound like a literal parody of what people think a "Katy Perry" song sounds like. She entirely brought this on herself when she had a unique chance to have a true commercial comeback after been the butt of the joke for so long. She just needed the right song and the right producer. Instead she did... this.

I still can't believe this is all actually happening, it feels like a fever dream. How can you POSSIBLY mess up a comeback like that when all the stars were so perfectly aligned?”

[wavey.]

Where were the "stars perfectly aligned"?🤔

The exaggeration is TOO real. She'll be fine.

[Enigma.]

If zero top 40 hits from the era and scraping top 10 on album chart is "fine" then surely, she will probably be "fine". I just think her comeback had proper commercial potential.

[wavey.]

Jul 13, 2024 7:10:12 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

If zero top 40 hits from the era and scraping top 10 on album chart is "fine" then surely, she will probably be "fine". I just think her comeback had proper commercial potential.

And it still can, people are more negative than normal, and that's fine. People like the song and people don't. That doesn't mean things can't change, we'll just have to see..but IM not basing her future off of one song🤷🏾

[toxicbaby]

Wow this is even way horrible than i have expected. It literally sounds like an AI trash song 🤦‍♂️
Even my 6 year old niece can write better lyrics than this.
I'm hugely disappointed, goodbye Katy Perry but we will still be streaming Teenage Dream. That album will forever live in our heart and soul

[toxicbaby]

Jul 13, 2024 7:24:28 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Jul 13, 2024 7:10:12 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

If zero top 40 hits from the era and scraping top 10 on album chart is "fine" then surely, she will probably be "fine". I just think her comeback had proper commercial potential.

And it still can, people are more negative than normal, and that's fine. People like the song and people don't. That doesn't mean things can't change, we'll just have to see..but IM not basing her future off of one song🤷🏾

Come onnnnnn man all those numbers aren't big signs to you that this song will be a HUGE flop? I mean look at the US Spotify numbers, even the global ones are abysmal

[chickythelittlechicken]

Although the debut isn't too good- I guess we have to see how it holds

[wavey.]

Jul 13, 2024 7:30:06 GMT -5 toxicbaby said:

Jul 13, 2024 7:24:28 GMT -5 wavey. said:

And it still can, people are more negative than normal, and that's fine. People like the song and people don't. That doesn't mean things can't change, we'll just have to see..but IM not basing her future off of one song🤷🏾

Come onnnnnn man all those numbers aren't big signs to you that this song will be a HUGE flop? I mean look at the US Spotify numbers, even the global ones are abysmal

Sure. Humongous flop. She's never been big with the streaming numbers, but, songs do have to potential to grow. And if it doesn't, so be it, there's other tracks that could be the one! Sis is ESTABLISHED.. what does she have to prove lol.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

What did "Never Really Over" debut with US/Global Spotify?

[Choco]

Jul 13, 2024 7:54:47 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

What did "Never Really Over" debut with US/Global Spotify?

3.4m global in 2019 which far more impressive because streaming has grown a lot since and yet this couldn't match that.

People saying this is an average Katy song fail to see that's exactly what she didn't need. She needed to come back stronger than ever. The Luke thing and the feminism narrative of the song making it all the more shallow were just the cherries on top of a shit show.

[MissAmericana]

Jul 13, 2024 7:37:57 GMT -5 chickythelittlechicken said:

Although the debut isn't too good- I guess we have to see how it holds

Based on the live data, the song is on pace the end the day with 1.2M plays on Spotify, which... isn’t great.

[zdm1998]

I get that it's pretty basic and the verses sound AI, (chorus is money though imo), but the people acting like this is outright garbage are more so projecting, because they don't care for her as an artist, or don't approve of her working with Dr. Luke again, which is fine to have that opinion, but I feel like the song is more middle of the road than outright garbage tbh.

My gripe is that it feels undercooked. I wish she would've sat with the versus a little longer and added a bridge to it. But that chorus is signature Katy Perry that y'all would've been eating up in the 2010s. And it seemed on Tik Tok everyone wanted her to return to that type of sound.

[leonagwen]

People need to undetstand that it's been many years since Katy last had a big hit. People on this forum's expectations are too high. 2 million Worldwide streams is a decent start for her. If Katy was in her peak years like in 2012, she would have debuted with over 5 million streams but the reality is that she's not in the peak of her career anymore. Just be happy that she's still releasing new music.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 13, 2024 8:07:03 GMT -5 zdm1998 said:

but the people acting like this is outright garbage are more so projecting, because they don't care for her as an artist, or don't approve of her working with Dr. Luke again,

I don't feel they're necessarily projecting so much as their criticisms are warranted. People are naturally going to be particularly critical of "WW" for a few reasons:

1.) It's been positioned as her "return" single.
2.) It's co-written by an alleged rapist while being a female empowerment anthem.
3.) People were looking to Katy and this to be a "pop savior" of sorts.

When you take this into consideration, particularly #2, the bar becomes much, MUCH higher to clear.

[leonagwen]

Shes not in her peak years anymore! Lower your expectations people!

[zdm1998]

Jul 13, 2024 8:13:44 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Jul 13, 2024 8:07:03 GMT -5 zdm1998 said:

but the people acting like this is outright garbage are more so projecting, because they don't care for her as an artist, or don't approve of her working with Dr. Luke again,

I don't feel they're necessarily projecting so much as their criticisms are warranted. People are naturally going to be particularly critical of "WW" for a few reasons:

1.) It's been positioned as her "return" single.
2.) It's co-written by an alleged rapist while being a female empowerment anthem.
3.) People were looking to Katy and this to be a "pop savior" of sorts.

When you take this into consideration, particularly #2, the bar becomes much, MUCH higher to clear.

All of those are valid. But have very little to do with the song itself, and more to do with unrealistic/high expectations, as well as the disapproval of working with Dr. Luke like I listed. If we look past the background knowledge/expectations of the song, it's fine, surely nothing out of this world, but I think garbage is a bit of a stretch.

[popwizard]

I’d love to see her have another breakdown. This couldn’t happen to someone more deserving. The universe must be overdue in delivering her karma because the reviews are absolutely savage. And it looks like a lot of pop stars who deserve a reckoning are getting their due.

The record is generic AF and everything about this song is satirical/ironic whether intended or not - from the stereotypical video to actually working with an abuser to the extremely weak lyrics that she calls “empowerment” - to the song even being a day late and a dollar short (it’s really not a woman’s world / we’re literally seeing the reversal of women’s rights).

At least her previous generic hits like Firework, Roar, etc. had some soul and genuine enthusiasm.

[andrebra]

Dr. L*ke aside, the quality of the song is not good which warrants a negative discussion. But even not taking the quality into account, people are still allowed to be upset and negative about a song written/produced by a rapist without it being dumbed down to “projecting.”

[wavey.]

We're also allowed to think ppl are doing too much as well...but it's just a circle discussion that goes nowhere.

Jul 13, 2024 8:28:35 GMT -5 popwizard said:

I’d love to see her have another breakdown.

Wow. I'm tapped out , yall got it😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Jul 13, 2024 7:59:48 GMT -5 Choco said:

Jul 13, 2024 7:54:47 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

What did "Never Really Over" debut with US/Global Spotify?

3.4m global in 2019 which far more impressive because streaming has grown a lot since and yet this couldn't match that.

People saying this is an average Katy song fail to see that's exactly what she didn't need. She needed to come back stronger than ever. The Luke thing and the feminism narrative of the song making it all the more shallow were just the cherries on top of a shit show.

not 100% sure, but I think that's unfiltered.

I found my post from the NRO thread:

NRO
WW #10 2,832,132
US #11 1,027,556

CTTR
WW #10 2,653,684
US #10 764,953

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Jul 13, 2024 8:32:49 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Wow. I'm tapped out , yall got it😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

Let's not attribute this mentality to everyone who has critcisms of Katy in this thread. This clearly isn't indicative of everyone's thinking, is a one-off comment, and the poster is trolling. Please let's not feed into it.

Jul 13, 2024 8:18:30 GMT -5 zdm1998 said:

If we look past the background knowledge/expectations of the song, it's fine, surely nothing out of this world, but I think garbage is a bit of a stretch.

Well, that's just it, we can't. Context is important in all reviews. If we changed/tweaked the context for any and every song, loads of songs would be received much better. Still, context aside, the song isn't far off from garbage. The lyrics are vapid and formulaic. The vocals are robotic and uninspired. The production is dated and sounds like an amalgamation of several older songs. I would say this song is objectively bad. I certainly wouldn't say it's good.

[KeepDeanWeird]

I’m perplexed why the label didn’t intervene on both the subject matter - this isn’t 1973’s ‘I am woman, hear me *roar’ - but also the execution.

Is Katy on the last album of her contract? If so, then the label doesn’t care: just be done with it and eventually release a GH package to wrap it up.

This is a not an ‘A-List’ release, which is a bummer. I think a lot of us are so harsh because we’re fans and we been salivating for a major Katy comeback.