Billboard Hot 100: 05/18/2024

[Groovy]

Yeah, he lost this. He put out some really bad bars in his some time, but these are all time bad. 

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

May 5, 2024 21:20:00 GMT -5 @pikandru said:

May 5, 2024 21:18:35 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Once again, the major error you continue to make is applying a long-term to a weeklong snapshot. What you keep saying is no different than taking a picture of a person at the beach and being upset that the picture doesn't depict whether that person is single or where they work.

But it also doesn’t change my main point that this did not used to happen very frequently, and thus slowly but surely eats away at the prestige of a high hot 100 peak. I’m ready for billboard to just go back to the “singles only” hot 100 rule at this point tbh, and I despised that rule.

Yeah, but things change. People's listening habits have changed to adapt with technology and what's accessible. You keep hammering the same point of "prestige". Prestige comes from accuracy, not from filtering songs out because they don't have a lasting impact. In 1991, Surface spent 2 weeks at #1 with a song called "The First Time". I can't say for certain if I've ever heard of it before and I've been a music and chart fan since 1994. In 2000, Enrique Iglesias hit #1 for 3 weeks with "Be With You". How many people could recall that song 2 years later? The point of the chart isn't about long-term popularity. Nothing in your argument is ever going to make that true. If that's your issue, you're looking at it completely wrong point blank case dismissed end of.

And the suggestion to go back to "singles only" isn't so simple. What defines a single? A radio single? Radio sometimes plays non-singles, and radio also doesn't play all singles. A song with a video? Not all hits have videos. Plus, you have instances like last week where multiple songs from Taylor's new album, in addition to accumulating enough points to score a position in the Top 10, they also went viral in other ways. People can reference lines from random songs from that album, or from Beyonce's album, and be met with recognition. I'd be willing to bet that more people heard and are familiar with multiple non-singles from both of those albums than they are with current singles from Dua Lipa, Doja Cat, Justin Timberlake and possibly even Olivia Rodrigo. Before, songs released as physical singles were what decided what a single was. Then it was songs released to radio with a music video. In the streaming age, neither of those really apply, so what distinction would a song need to be deemed a "single"?

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May 5, 2024 21:25:35 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

So you would rather the charts be inaccurate for the sake of having "a certain prestige"

Well that’s quite the slippery slope you’re plunging down. Are we to say then that it was inaccurate back when Billboard did have more rigid rules for the hot 100? Exactly who is to say it’s “accurate” now when the methodology is decided on by Billboard? It’s not as simple as “most streamed song” of the week or “most played on CHR” which is something factually representative you can’t argue with. The hot 100 uses various factors to get what is supposed to overall by the biggest hits.

I think there are plenty of indicators billboard was more interested in the Hot 100 having a certain prestige for representing the biggest hits in the past. It does seem now they are more concerned with representing just the biggest song of the very moment (though again who’s to say the formula is accurate), which in and of itself doesn’t even constitute a “hit” in the broader sense of the term. Literally no song would be regarded as a hit if it was just popular for one moment in time. So maybe they don’t care about the so called “prestige” of it all these days, but I don’t have to like that. And I don’t.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

May 5, 2024 21:37:20 GMT -5 @pikandru said:

May 5, 2024 21:25:35 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

So you would rather the charts be inaccurate for the sake of having "a certain prestige"

Well that’s quite the slippery slope you’re plunging down. Are we to say then that it was inaccurate back when Billboard did have more rigid rules for the hot 100? Exactly who is to say it’s “accurate” now when the methodology is decided on by Billboard? It’s not as simple as “most streamed song” of the week or “most played on CHR” which is something factually representative you can’t argue with. The hot 100 uses various factors to get what is supposed to overall by the biggest hits.

I think there are plenty of indicators billboard was more interested in the Hot 100 having a certain prestige for representing the biggest hits in the past. It does seem now they are more concerned with representing just the biggest song of the very moment (though again who’s to say the formula is accurate), which in and of itself doesn’t even constitute a “hit” in the broader sense of the term. Literally no song would be regarded as a hit if it was just popular for one moment in time. So maybe they don’t care about the so called “prestige” of it all these days, but I don’t have to like that. And I don’t.

I mean, if your issue was with how much emphasis Billboard gives to streaming vs. sales vs. radio, then for sure, that's worth the conversation. But you're basically suggesting to remove a chunk of streaming in case a song isn't likely to continue to receive ongoing streams.

I'd argue that some of these flash-in-the-pan songs could be deemed hits if they achieved what they set out to do. Maybe not in the traditional sense, but then again, "Stairway to Heaven" isn't exactly a traditional hit either, is it?

May 5, 2024 21:42:53 GMT -5 @pikandru said:

It seems to me like some here want the hot 100 to essentially be a streaming chart. Well we have that, why would you want the hot 100 to be the same thing? It was never meant to be a singularly focused chart like that at its essence, that much I know is true.

Except it's not. Streaming songs can impact with no airplay and no sales. Sales can impact with minimal streaming and no airplay. Airplay can keep a song that isn't receiving many streams and having no sales from lingering on the charts for months after they've peaked. Is your issue that there's too much emphasis on streaming? That's a legitimate starting point for what you're arguing. But then, you'd need to explain your position from the back end: how each method is represented in relation to the others - and not from the front end: because you don't like how the charts look.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

May 5, 2024 21:37:20 GMT -5 @pikandru said:

May 5, 2024 21:25:35 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

So you would rather the charts be inaccurate for the sake of having "a certain prestige"

Well that’s quite the slippery slope you’re plunging down. Are we to say then that it was inaccurate back when Billboard did have more rigid rules for the hot 100? Exactly who is to say it’s “accurate” now when the methodology is decided on by Billboard? It’s not as simple as “most streamed song” of the week or “most played on CHR” which is something factually representative you can’t argue with. The hot 100 uses various factors to get what is supposed to overall by the biggest hits.

I think there are plenty of indicators billboard was more interested in the Hot 100 having a certain prestige for representing the biggest hits in the past. It does seem now they are more concerned with representing just the biggest song of the very moment (though again who’s to say the formula is accurate), which in and of itself doesn’t even constitute a “hit” in the broader sense of the term. Literally no song would be regarded as a hit if it was just popular for one moment in time. So maybe they don’t care about the so called “prestige” of it all these days, but I don’t have to like that. And I don’t.

Wdym who's to say the formula is accurate. Both of these diss tracks are being widely streamed right now and those are factors that should be taken into consideration. The charts are not and should not be about "constituting a hit in the broader sense". No chart for music, streaming, or TV is like that. Numbers are numbers.

Part of the reason album cuts are now higher isn't just because Billboard deems it. We're in an age where non-singles are being regularly shared and rotated, it's no longer just what labels want as singles and people don't have to settle just for the radio singles anymore. That's why labels and artists pivot from promoted singles to ones people are gravitating towards. Going back to the days where it singles only disregards the 20 years of technological advancements that have occured just in favor of a model than can never ever be used because it's not representative of consumption habits anymore. It's one thing to not like it, that's fine. But to say they should change it just because you don't like it is arrogant.

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I’m more convinced than ever before my qualifying week idea is a great route to keep the hot 100 prestigious and reflective of hits while not removing the element of streaming at all in the long run. Streaming would be every bit as present each week as it is now, something I feel like the people arguing so much with me are trying to imply I seem to “want” removed.

Except instead of Taylor taking the whole top 30 and now we see all but 3 or so are off the radar for the upper region of the chart a mere two weeks later, we would have had the 2nd week TTPD peaks as the peaks for most of the songs. Poll 100 people 2 years from now if they think those 30 songs peaked at their week 1 or week 2 peaks, and I’d bet you all my money they nearly all guess the week 2 peaks. It’s simply far more reflective of their actual hit status. The hot 100 used to be that far more often, it is needless to suggest it’s impossible for it to be that now because of the streaming factor. The hot 100 has always been about the rules Billboard sets. They can set new ones.

And yes the formula is hugely open to interpretation as to whether it’s most representative of the biggest hits. Thats never been up for debate. Again, it’s a billboard determined chart. We are not talking raw airplay spins or streaming numbers to come up with a definitive hot 100. It’s a formula they come up with. The formula is open to their interpretation of what it should be. The chart is open to interpretation of what it should be. I’m arguing it should be more what it was for 7 decades again instead of the last 4 or so years , and the past couple weeks only make me feel more strongly about that.

[fridayteenage]

Its interesting how drake started purposefully chasing number one hits, and lost the acclaim he had early on. His only album Grammy is also from before his first number one as lead

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

It's like you're not even reading anything anyone else is writing... :( How can you have a conversation if you're not acknowledging others' responses to you?

May 5, 2024 22:02:26 GMT -5 @pikandru said:

Poll 100 people 2 years from now if they think those 30 songs peaked at their week 1 or week 2 peaks, and I’d bet you all my money they nearly all guess the week 2 peaks.

I could pick 100 songs from the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s and ask 100 people across ages, genders and races to guess where they believe those songs peaked based on legacy and longterm popularity and I bet you that 100% of them would be at least 50-positions off the correct answer - because the performance of a song on the charts doesn't always correlate with its longterm impact, legacy and how much it's going to be remembered. But you know what? That's also never been what Billboard was supposed to measure.

I'm more convinced than ever that you don't understand what the hot 100 is meant for.

[haven]

May 5, 2024 21:15:47 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Drake dropped another song, haven’t heard yet but apparently he touched on yet more sensitive subjects to use against Kendrick.

This is beyond simple Hip-Hop drama and seems to be taking a weird turn. I really don’t feel comfortable using trauma on both ends as a laughing skit or one up. I’m over this it’s really beyond a beef and very creepy.

It’s crazy that anyone would want allegations or weird traumatic things to be true because they like one person’s music more.

This is exactly what i think. They're just instantly shouting back at each other without any time to consider if whats being said should be, yknow, told to the police first instead of the millions of people, most of whom are just dedicated to shitting on whichever artist they already didnt like.

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May 5, 2024 22:12:57 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

It's like you're not even reading anything anyone else is writing... :( How can you have a conversation if you're not acknowledging others' responses to you?

May 5, 2024 22:02:26 GMT -5 @pikandru said:

Poll 100 people 2 years from now if they think those 30 songs peaked at their week 1 or week 2 peaks, and I’d bet you all my money they nearly all guess the week 2 peaks.

I could pick 100 songs from the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s and ask 100 people across ages, genders and races to guess where they believe those songs peaked based on legacy and longterm popularity and I bet you that 100% of them would be at least 50-positions off the correct answer - because the performance of a song on the charts doesn't always correlate with its longterm impact, legacy and how much it's going to be remembered. But you know what? That's also never been what Billboard was supposed to measure.

I'm more convinced than ever that you don't understand what the hot 100 is meant for.

I’m not responding directly at this point because the same exact things are being argued while I feel my point is being entirely missed and unaddressed. So why would I put the energy in?

I’ll leave it at this anecdote then that I’m finding particularly telling at this point: a year or so ago I brought up in a work slack channel related to a pop culture project of ours something to the extent of how I was kind of frustrated how streaming trend of the week songs could just take over the top of the hot 100 in recent years. I think I even mentioned it felt like the prestige of a hot 100 top ten was gone. It was one of my most liked/agreed with reaction posts ever on my company slack. Keeping in mind most people in the channel were very casual music fans (not chart fanatics) in their early to late 20s (very young skewing department).

Now it’s interesting I had so many there agreeing with me that the hot 100 doesn’t feel as representative of big hits in the past few years, yet I bring this up here to fellow chart fanatics and its hung up on being pedantic of what the most streamed song is in that moment and how that’s so much more representative than anything else. Was never my argument. My argument was that the hot 100 no longer holds the prestige it used to for a high peaking song that reflected the big hits of the day more accurately.

The hot 100 has always had a mainstream reach that no other chart does, where even people who have no knowledge of this sort of thing have a semi-awareness of it. That’s that prestige factor again. Not to mention as I’ve iterated over and over it is just the fact of the matter that these flash in the pan high peaks are far more prevalent now. I think it says it all to me that a group of more casual 20 something music fans think the hot 100 seems “wonky” in recent years for what can peak so high or be a #1 hit. To me it says the hot 100 isn’t representing that perception of the big hits of the day to the mainstream public anymore, not just my own opinion. There are certainly rules that could be implemented to make it more like that again without denying the importance of streaming. All a matter of what billboard wants for the chart honestly. It’s not anyone else’s chart and it’s not an irrefutable thing like tracking the most streamed songs of the week is.

Now I have a migraine from all this typing on my phone screen. Just as long as the people convinced they showed me the “error of my ways” are aware they actually made me more convinced in my opinion here.

[clsvltn]

The Kendrick/Drake stuff is pretty wild! They both are practically going to have full albums after this. My head is spinning with how quickly they are making music though

idk though, I just never really vibed with Kendrick. I think he has some good tracks here and there but I am much more in Drake's camp.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

May 5, 2024 22:53:11 GMT -5 @pikandru said:

May 5, 2024 22:12:57 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

It's like you're not even reading anything anyone else is writing... :( How can you have a conversation if you're not acknowledging others' responses to you?

I could pick 100 songs from the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s and ask 100 people across ages, genders and races to guess where they believe those songs peaked based on legacy and longterm popularity and I bet you that 100% of them would be at least 50-positions off the correct answer - because the performance of a song on the charts doesn't always correlate with its longterm impact, legacy and how much it's going to be remembered. But you know what? That's also never been what Billboard was supposed to measure.

I'm more convinced than ever that you don't understand what the hot 100 is meant for.

I’m not responding directly at this point because the same exact things are being argued while I feel my point is being entirely missed and unaddressed. So why would I put the energy in?

I’ll leave it at this anecdote then that I’m finding particularly telling at this point: a year or so ago I brought up in a work slack channel related to a pop culture project of ours something to the extent of how I was kind of frustrated how streaming trend of the week songs could just take over the top of the hot 100 in recent years. I think I even mentioned it felt like the prestige of a hot 100 top ten was gone. It was one of my most liked/agreed with reaction posts ever on my company slack. Keeping in mind most people in the channel were very casual music fans (not chart fanatics) in their early to late 20s (very young skewing department).

Now it’s interesting I had so many there agreeing with me that the hot 100 doesn’t feel as representative of big hits in the past few years, yet I bring this up here to fellow chart fanatics and its hung up on being pedantic of what the most streamed song is in that moment and how that’s so much more representative than anything else. Was never my argument. My argument was that the hot 100 no longer holds the prestige it used to for a high peaking song that reflected the big hits of the day more accurately.

The hot 100 has always had a mainstream reach that no other chart does, where even people who have no knowledge of this sort of thing have a semi-awareness of it. That’s that prestige factor again. Not to mention as I’ve iterated over and over it is just the fact of the matter that these flash in the pan high peaks are far more prevalent now. I think it says it all to me that a group of more casual 20 something music fans think the hot 100 seems “wonky” in recent years for what can peak so high or be a #1 hit. To me it says the hot 100 isn’t representing that perception of the big hits of the day to the mainstream public anymore, not just my own opinion. There are certainly rules that could be implemented to make it more like that again without denying the importance of streaming. All a matter of what billboard wants for the chart honestly. It’s not anyone else’s chart and it’s not an irrefutable thing like tracking the most streamed songs of the week is.

Now I have a migraine from all this typing on my phone screen. Just as long as the people convinced they showed me the “error of my ways” are aware they actually made me more convinced in my opinion here.

I mean, all this says is that many other people in addition to you are failing to understand the purpose of the Hot 100.

I'm not misunderstanding your argument. Personally, I don't even disagree with what you're saying. You're right that the chart isn't depicting the songs most known by 'the general public' in its current week-to-week formula. You're also right that anyone looking at any singular Hot 100 chart isn't likely to be familiar with all or most of the songs in the Top 10 or Top 20 of any given week's chart.
Where you seem to go off the track is the line "the hot 100 isn’t representing that perception of the big hits of the day to the mainstream public anymore". The word "perception" here is the issue. The Hot 100 is representing what people are listening to. Adding up all the points and numbers, and that's the result.
It's not Billboard's fault that perception is going to be different. The issue here is that you're applying long-term need to a single-week snapshot of the chart. Before streaming, it took weeks/months for a song to be established as a "hit" in the sense that large numbers of people knew about them. The reason why you could look at any chart from before and see a 'good' representation of what the hits were is because those songs were already established - or would go on to be already established. But, as I've said before and I'll stress again, the thing you're doing wrong and is applying information, data, numbers, 'perception', 'feeling' and whatever else from outside the time period that the chart is measuring.

Would you look at a history of temperatures for your city for a single week in April when the temps for a 7-day period were 58, 62, 63, 89, 59, 61, 61, and say "that day where the temperature of 89 shouldn't be there because it doesn't represent the other 6 days that week." That's pretty much what you've been saying. "No one is going to remember that one hot day in April because every other day that month was cool." You can't remove that one day's temperatures because people won't remember it. It kind of boggles my mind that you actually believe that.

[iHype.]

One thinks a person sexually abused kids and your first instinct is to turn this information into a DJ Mustard club banger?

Another one thinks revealing someone was sexually abused as a kid is an appropriate response to something?

This is really the creepiest and most stan-dystopian thing to see sexual assault used in a casual humorous manner. Both parties will end up regretting these things in the long run and it’s not absolutely worth any temporary win in a beef.

[neel]

May 6, 2024 1:12:47 GMT -5 iHype. said:

One thinks a person sexually abused kids and your first instinct is to turn this information into a DJ Mustard club banger?

Another one thinks revealing someone was sexually abused as a kid is an appropriate response to something?

This is really the creepiest and most stan-dystopian thing to see sexual assault used in a casual humorous manner. Both parties will end up regretting these things in the long run and it’s not absolutely worth any temporary win in a beef.

I mean it’s a rap beef.

[iHype.]

May 6, 2024 1:47:43 GMT -5 neel said:

May 6, 2024 1:12:47 GMT -5 iHype. said:

One thinks a person sexually abused kids and your first instinct is to turn this information into a DJ Mustard club banger?

Another one thinks revealing someone was sexually abused as a kid is an appropriate response to something?

This is really the creepiest and most stan-dystopian thing to see sexual assault used in a casual humorous manner. Both parties will end up regretting these things in the long run and it’s not absolutely worth any temporary win in a beef.

I mean it’s a rap beef.

Turning child sexual abuse into something humorous is creepy and disturbing in any instance.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Whether you like the songs or not, whether you think this was inappropriate and shouldn't have been done (and for the record I understand that side, I'm not trying to defend either artist. I think the discussions on the ethics of this beef ought to be discussed), I think it needs to be saidL this is the most ubiquitous and monoculture-esque thing to happen to music in a long time.

Genuinely I don't think anything viral song in the last 3 years really went beyond online fanbases and penetrated into outside culture talk and news. The closest comparison may have been WAP and before that Old Town Road and This is America's music video. We often complain aobut people not really knowing about what are the actually big songs right now, you can't really make this comparison with the feud right now. Everyone knows about it, even if they're not rap fans.

[After Minutes]

May 6, 2024 1:51:15 GMT -5 iHype. said:

May 6, 2024 1:47:43 GMT -5 neel said:

I mean it’s a rap beef.

Turning child sexual abuse into something humorous is creepy and disturbing in any instance.

Kendrick doesn't actually at any point say that Drake did anything with a child, just that he's attracted to them - which is still morally reprehensible, but not criminal

[iHype.]

May 6, 2024 2:16:10 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

May 6, 2024 1:51:15 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Turning child sexual abuse into something humorous is creepy and disturbing in any instance.

Kendrick doesn't actually at any point say that Drake did anything with a child, just that he's attracted to them - which is still morally reprehensible, but not criminal

Both of them are mostly turning serious issues into something humorous and throwing accusations as one-ups to have the other cancelled rather than actually caring about the issues so yea at this point it feels weirdly creepy.

If you actually felt truly upset about an issue and wanted it to be addressed you wouldn’t be purposely turning it into a club anthem and meme content.

The subject matter being used is just taking really weird turns which is the most upsetting part

[After Minutes]

May 6, 2024 2:20:00 GMT -5 iHype. said:

May 6, 2024 2:16:10 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

Kendrick doesn't actually at any point say that Drake did anything with a child, just that he's attracted to them - which is still morally reprehensible, but not criminal

If you actually felt truly upset about an issue and wanted it to be addressed you wouldn’t be purposely turning it into a club anthem and meme content.

I totally would honestly, that seems like the easiest way to make it a topic of conversation. Besides, Kendrick already made "serious" tracks about it. I get your point but personally I just don't find it wrong. If someone released a club banger with the lyrics "fuck Epstein" I'd rock that song

[iHype.]

May 6, 2024 2:28:56 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

May 6, 2024 2:20:00 GMT -5 iHype. said:

If you actually felt truly upset about an issue and wanted it to be addressed you wouldn’t be purposely turning it into a club anthem and meme content.

I totally would honestly, that seems like the easiest way to make it a topic of conversation. Besides, Kendrick already made "serious" tracks about it. I get your point but personally I just don't find it wrong. If someone released a club banger with the lyrics "fuck Epstein" I'd rock that song

If there is victims do you think they want their situation to inspire memes and club hits? I’m not sure an Epstein victim would want to go to a club and hear everyone singing along to lyrics about their situation…

Also if the stuff they’re saying is just hearsay allegations (which is most likely) it just makes it even more gross. Making a joke of abuse with situations that didn’t even happen at that is something else

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 05/04/24

1(=) Kendrick Lamar - euphoria 3,925,226 (-518,464) (-12%)
2(=) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY 3,432,016 (-5,559)
3(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso 2,866,046 (-124,609)
4(=) Shaboozey - A Bar Song (Tipsy) 2,736,201 (-44,591)
5(DEBUT) Drake - Family Matters 2,264,927
6(-1) Taylor Swift - Fortnight 2,262,479 (-249,600)
7(-1) Hozier - Too Sweet 1,988,852 (-193,346)
8(-1) Future, Metro Boomin, Kendrick Lamar - Like That 1,952,134 (-162,208)
9(-1) Taylor Swift - I Can Do It With A Broken Heart 1,812,291 (-190,453)
10(-1) Taylor Swift - Down Bad 1,480,003 (-233,704)

Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department [16/16]
15(-2) So Long, London 1,155,570 (-213,838)
16(-2) Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? 1,143,787 (-208,204)
18(-2) Guilty as Sin? 1,088,014 (-204,945)
19(-1) My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys 1,084,839 (-173,369)
20(-1) Florida!!!! 1,069,767 (-161,835)
21(-4) But Daddy I Love Him 1,065,654 (-205,899)
26(-5) The Tortured Poets Department 996,817 (-182,933)
39(-6) The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived 830,352 (-184,914)
41(-6) loml 767,954 (-158,366)
42(-6) Fresh Out the Slammer 761,650 (-154,471)
43(-6) The Alchemy 756,161 (-156,044)
57(-9) I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can) 655,101 (-145,975)
68(-15) Clara Bow 597,853 (-137,365)
Total Sixteenth Day Streams: 17,528,292 (-14.46%)

Taylor Swift - THE ANTHOLOGY [13/15]
49(-6) So High School 702,506 (-164,812)
51(-7) imgonnagetyouback 696,443 (-165,421)
61(-14) The Black Dog 649,429 (-160,912)
70(-12) The Prophecy 582,895 (-136,870)
79(-10) How Did It End? 540,550 (-133,892)
93(-15) thanK you aIMee 506,440 (-112,027)
94(-19) The Albatross 498,151 (-131,430)
101(-22) I Hate It Here 487,089 (-130,895)
109(-20) Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus 460,317 (-114,752)
114(-26) The Bolter 452,775 (-125,088)
124(-26) I Look In People's Windows 445,307 (-110,533)
125(-29) Peter 443,173 (-115,541)
169(-48) Cassandra 392,805 (-98,877)
Total Sixteenth Day Streams: 6,857,880 (-23.58%)

Overall Sixteenth Day Streams: 24,386,172 (-17.23%)

Other:
11(=) Benson Boone - Beautiful Things 1,430,743 (+7,400)
12(-2) Artemas - i like the way you kiss me 1,410,324 (-185,725)
13(-1) Drake - Push Ups 1,339,940 (-68,070)
14(+1) Chapell Roan - Good Luck, Babe! 1,173,317 (-140,998)
17(+3) Zach Bryan, Kacey Musgraves - I Remember Everything 1,111,308 (-99,084)
22(=) SZA - Saturn 1,061,222 (-108,338)
23(+2) Noah Kahan - Stick Season 1,038,684 (-112,340)
24(+2) Ariana Grande - we can't be friends (wait for your love) 1,025,843 (-99,792)
25(+4) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 999,370 (-65,676)
27(=) Kanye West, Ty Dolla $ign - CARNIVAL 996,599 (-110,389)
28(+6) Sexyy Red - Get It Sexy 985,877 (-12,500)
29(-5) Future, Metro Boomin, Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - Type Shit 984,235 (-174,227)
30(-7) Djo - End of Beginning 976,074 (-185,641)
31(-1) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY (VHS) 957,536 (-79,960)
32(-4) FloyyMenor, Cris Mj - Gata Only 933,906 (-169,556)
33(-1) Lay Bankz - Tell Ur Girlfriend 932,222 (-85,366)
34(-3) Bryson Tiller - Whatever She Wants 909,748 (-116,425)
36(+2) Benson Boone - Slow It Down 869,930 (-37,855)
37(+4) Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - FE!N 844,463 (-41,390)
38(+1) Dasha - Austin 844,342 (-60,164)
40(+2) 21 Savage - redrum 786,758 (-87,117)
45(+1) BigXthaPlug - Mmhmm 744,753 (-81,476)
52(+11) Taylor Swift - Cruel Summer 696,332 (-3,303)
53(-3) Rich Amiri - ONE CALL 692,838 (-44,741)
54(+2) Michael Marcagi - Scared to Start 687,812 (-43,169)
56(+8) GloRilla - Yeah Glo! 686,570 (-12,231)
58(-1) Sabrina Carpenter - Feather 654,025 (-75,976)
59(+6) Jack Harlow - Lovin On Me 651,709 (-14,568)
60(+2) GloRilla, Megan Thee Stallion - Wanna Be 650,987 (-49,098)
62(-3) Tate McRae - greedy 643,746 (-70,604)
63(-3) Mark Ambor - Belong Together 641,675 (-70,241)
65(+20) Flo Milli - Never Lose Me 634,785 (+40,131)
66(-5) Don Toliver - Bandit 629,652 (-73,374)
69(+11) Beyoncé - TEXAS HOLD EM 594,757 (-14,375)
71(+1) d4vd - Feel It 582,222 (-78,822)
74(+7) Jessie Murph, Jelly Roll - Wild Ones 578,525 (-30,279)
76(+7) Chappell Roan - Red Wine Supernova 553,536 (-46,761)
77(+18) Zach Bryan - Heading South 548,563 (-12,234)
78(-7) Dua Lipa - Illusion 547,069 (-114,661) (-17%)
80(+4) Tucker Wetmore - Wind Up Missin' You 538,058 (-61,733)
82(=) The Weeknd, JENNIE, Lily-Rose Depp - One of the Girls 528,604 (-72,308)
85(-11) A$AP Rocky - Sundress 515,813 (-121,229)
86(+8) Myke Towers, Bad Bunny - ADIVINO 515,355 (-45,581)
87(+13) Ritchy Mitch & The Coal Miners - Evergreen 514,677 (-37,616)
88(+21) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 513,927 (-17,045)
91(+16) Fuerza Regida - TÚ NAME 507,407 (-24,892)
97(+5) Future, Metro Boomin, Travis Scott - Cinderella 491,020 (-60,365)
98(-6) BigXthaPlug - Back On My BS 490,464 (-71,993)
99(+5) Yeat - If We Being Rëal 489,470 (-52,649)
100(-32) Marshmello, Kane Brown - Miles On It 489,360 (-194,531) (-28%)

112(-11) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 456,416 (-95,716)
116(+1) Good Neighbors - Home 452,698 (-41,090)
118(+1) Olivia Rodrigo - obsessed 447,879 (-45,142)
119(+11) Chappel Roan - HOT TO GO! 447,116 (-33,181)
122(-17) Dominic Fike - Babydoll 445,684 (-92,978)
123(+6) Bakar, Summer Walker - Hell N Back Remix 445,495 (-35,141)
129(+13) Natanael Cano, Oscar Maydon - Madonna 439,513 (-22,027)
131(-64) Dua Lipa - These Walls 437,439 (-252,118) (-31%)
132(-6) ILLIT - Magnetic 436,556 (-45,101)
133(-10) Xavi - Corazón de Piedra 435,287 (-53,845)
138(+16) Daya - Hide Away 433,156 (-19,555)
145(-55) Dua Lipa - Houdini 421,008 (-148,995) (-26%)
148(=) Rvssian, Rauw Alejandro, Ayra Starr - Santa 417,639 (-57,004)
155(-23) TV Girl - Not Allowed 407,536 (-70,149)
157(+11) The Red Clay Strays - Wondering Why 406,388 (-26,624)
158(+18) Brent Faiyaz, FELIX!, Tommy Richman - Upset 406,294 (-13,266)
160(+31) Luis R Conriquez, Neton Vega - Si No Quieres No 404,445 (-4,042)
161(-16) Yeat - Breathe 400,055 (-59,886)
166(-58) Dua Lipa - Training Season 395,681 (-135,305) (-25%)
170(-18) Benson Boone - Cry 392,023 (-62,642)
175(-53) Gunna - Whatsapp (Wassam) 383,620 (-107,558) (-22%)
182(RE) Zach Bryan - Revival 377,300
183(RE) Bryan Martin - We Ride 374,930
184(-11) Artemas - if u think i'm pretty 374,190 (-48,913)
190(RE) Key Glock - Let's Go 369,199

Total Second Day Streams for Dua Lipa - Radical Optimism [4/11]: 1,801,197 (-38.48%)
Total Streams for MILLION DOLLAR BABY: 4,389,552 (would be #1 with combined streams)

US TOP 20 WITHOUT TTPD
(#1. MILLION DOLLAR BABY)
#1. euphoria
#2. MILLION DOLLAR BABY
#3. Espresso
#4. A Bar Song (Tipsy)
#5. Family Matters *DEBUT*
#6. Too Sweet
#7. Like That
#8. Beautiful Things
#9. i like the way you kiss me
#10. Push Ups

#11. Good Luck, Babe!
#12. I Remember Everything
#13. Saturn
#14. Stick Season
#15. we can't be friends (wait for your love)
#16. Lose Control
#17. CARNIVAL
#18. Get It Sexyy *NEW PEAK*
#19. Type Shit
#20. End of Beginning

[After Minutes]

May 6, 2024 2:35:27 GMT -5 iHype. said:

May 6, 2024 2:28:56 GMT -5 After Minutes said:

I totally would honestly, that seems like the easiest way to make it a topic of conversation. Besides, Kendrick already made "serious" tracks about it. I get your point but personally I just don't find it wrong. If someone released a club banger with the lyrics "fuck Epstein" I'd rock that song

If there is victims do you think they want their situation to inspire memes and club hits? I’m not sure an Epstein victim would want to go to a club and hear everyone singing along to lyrics about their situation…

Also if the stuff they’re saying is just hearsay allegations (which is most likely) it just makes it even more gross. Making a joke of abuse with situations that didn’t even happen at that is something else

As I mentioned Kendrick didn't say that there are any victims (at least not yet) but rather that Drake's a creep who messages teenagers, and that isn't even hearsay there is just proof of that. The question is whether the allegations about OVO being a sex trafficking ring are true

[Enigma.]

Fortnight has dropped to #8 on AM - even if we exclude the new disses by Kendrick and Drake, it'd be #4. Definitely not the mega smash a la Anti-Hero.

[Az Paynter]

The Hot 100 measures the consumption of music in any given week.

The Hot 100 measures the consumption of music in any given week.

The Hot 100 measures the consumption of music in any given week.

The Hot 100 measures the consumption of music in any given week.

Perception? Nothing to do with anything. Perception is subjective, Billboard's job isn't to measure what *you* think is memorable because it then has to measure what *everybody* thinks is memorable. Which, unless Billboard is supposed to somehow routinely poll everyone in the country every week, can't be done.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

May 5, 2024 21:28:26 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Yeah, he lost this. He put out some really bad bars in his some time, but these are all time bad. 

Weak AF. He's just defending himself not battling anymore. Kendrick won and now that's more than clear with this lame a** comeback. lol

May 6, 2024 2:55:38 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Fortnight has dropped to #8 on AM - even if we exclude the new disses by Kendrick and Drake, it'd be #4. Definitely not the mega smash a la Anti-Hero.

lol When was this ever the expectation? I don't think I saw a single person listen to "Fortnight" and say "this is gonna be as big or bigger than Anti-Hero!" Most in fact said it didn't sound like a smash hit, so, yeah...not surprising info.

[Enigma.]

Which makes it bizarre that it was chosen as the single when Down Bad and 'Broken Heart' were right there (or Black Dog if they treated the release as a proper double album).

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Would not be surprised if when Broken Heart becomes a single, it has more longevity.

Anyway, the beef is hot


Also I want to shoutout a friend of mine who helped track how Kendrick moved up artists charts in different countries

[nak]

5 of the Drake-Kendrick disses are in the top 10 for todays US Spotify chart 😭
#1 Not Like Us - Kendrick Lamar
#2 Euphoria - Kendrick Lamar
#6 Family Matters - Drake
#7 Like That - Future, metro boomin, Kendrick Lamar
#9 Meet the Grahams - Kendrick Lamar

[wavey.]

Are we about to have another summer of #1 debuts again?( Genuine question since UMG resigned with TikTok)

[ontopofthis]

May 6, 2024 1:12:47 GMT -5 iHype. said:

One thinks a person sexually abused kids and your first instinct is to turn this information into a DJ Mustard club banger?

Another one thinks revealing someone was sexually abused as a kid is an appropriate response to something?

This is really the creepiest and most stan-dystopian thing to see sexual assault used in a casual humorous manner. Both parties will end up regretting these things in the long run and it’s not absolutely worth any temporary win in a beef.

What is he supposed to do exactly, go investigate? He does not work in law enforcement, and he is not the victim of said perversion. The internet has really warped the cognitive faculties of people because y’all really get on here saying the most obtuse things. Nevertheless, it is great that everyone is now on the same accord about victims reporting things when they happen and not waiting decades just to run to the press and a civil liberties attorney