Soundcl🕤ck
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Jul 17, 2024 15:46:08 GMT -5
Drake is obviously still the biggest artist after Taylor, but the fact that his last multiweek #1 was in 2018 is very telling. His 2020s material is really...something. weeks at #1: ______________ 2010-2015____________ What's My Name 1
______________ 2016-2018____________ God's Plan 11 One Dance 10 In My Feelings 10 Work 9 Nice For What 8______________ 2019-2024____________ Slime You Out 1 What's Next 1 First Person Shooter 1 Way 2 Sexy 1 Toosie Slide 1 Jimmy Cooks 1 Wait For U 1
he's yet to have a #1 with 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 weeks at #1. and he only scored multiweek #1s in the span of two and half years, when basically every 3rd week at #1 was by Drake. Also, he had a one-week #1 in 2018, but he wasn't credited (Sicko Mode) lol.
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Post by iHype. on Jul 17, 2024 16:26:48 GMT -5
Weeks at #1 for a song feels like such an honestly arbitrary stat though.
Ariana has also had all her #1’s since TUN era only spend 1 week at #1 (except for Die for You which is just her name being slapped on the credits of an already smash hit via remix so). I wouldn’t say she doesn’t still get solid hits or whatever. I think at most it just says she’s not at her career peak which isn’t really shocking.
Her Hot 100 reign is actually really similar to Drake’s, where for their first few albums they always had consistent smashes but could never get #1, then once they got their first lead artist #1s they smashed really hard, and now the past few years post-peak they get these 1-weekers . They still (mostly) become decent sized hits and also in a way it feels like it’s just making up count for the other smashes that never went #1.
But even names like SZA, Billie, etc *only* ever reached #1 on Hot 100 for a song with a week. Doesn’t mean they don’t get big hits, just multiple weeks at #1 is hard and depends on many factors. Hell, “Not Like Us” only has 2 weeks #1 after the noise it’s made. Meanwhile “Mood” got 8 weeks #1 and never felt like some huge unavoidable smash and doesn’t in retrospect either. Sometimes it’s just timing and so many other factors lol.
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Post by suburbandreams on Jul 17, 2024 17:36:32 GMT -5
It’s funny because up until now, I was always under the assumption Kendrick was among the most successful rappers. Obviously not as big as Drake but for some reason I thought he did fairly well on the charts despite not being a big crossover act. I was surprised to see that TPAB didn’t have any Top 50 hits. Despite all that, I hadn’t ever seen his success downplayed until recently. Is he not actually a big-name rapper? The Drake-Kendrick feud of 2024 got reignited when Jcole said that Drake, Kendrick, Jcole were the big 3 of the rap. Kendrick even by his enemies was considered a huge artist. But he wasn't a big hit maker. His albums were huge, had great critical acclaim and he was a very well regarded live act. But he released pretty rarely, had very few collabs , and his albums weren't dependent on hits. He had a big passionate cult fanbase. Lastly, he was basically considered as the consensus number 1 rapper in the rap community. Good kid, m.a.ad city, damn, tpab have all had ridiculous longevity on the album charts. Good kid was #30 on the year end billboard chart despite being more than 10 years old. He is also a big vinyl seller in a way that no other rappers are. There's a reason why Drake wanted to pick a fight with him. Kendrick had the respect and love that Drake didn't really have despite his greater commercial success.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 17, 2024 19:15:28 GMT -5
I hardly ever hear anyone talking about Kendrick until this beef. Just because Drake wasn't getting multi week #1s I was still hearing his name nonstop always. Yeah, when an album drops, myself included, may check it out of Kendricks, but I find it hard to find him that relevant as a whole in the recent years. He's had a few big hits but they were also shared with other big stars like SZA for example. and idc what anyone thinks- Mr Morale was not a good album at all to me. I never have gone back to re-visit it. I have nothing against Kendrick, and I'd pick Drake over him all day but it is just wild to me how many people here can't wait to write Drake off when he has not released anything besides some throwaway collabs since the beef. At the very least, let's see what his next project does and for that matter, what Kendrick's does as well. What does your singular experience have to do with what is true in general/nationally? Like I said, we will see what happens when both of their next albums drop :) What does this mean exactly?
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Post by tfa20 on Jul 17, 2024 19:29:43 GMT -5
Saying Kendrick wasn't a a common name in mainstream pop/rap until the beef is actually insane. Damn was the album with the second most streams in a single week when it was released, only behind More Life. Mr Morale and the Big Steppers was the 4th biggest debuting album (in streams) of 2022, with the only rap album ahead of his being Drake's. He's arguably the second most succesful rapper of the streaming era, behind Drake - I don't know if I'd go that far (I'd probably put Travis above him), but at absolute minimum he's top 5 biggest rappers before the beef. I will throw out that idk if Drake is still top two biggest artists in the industry - he's obviously still one of the biggest names there is, but I do wonder if Wallen's surpassed him recently. He surpassed him on Spotify streams, and while Drake rules Apple Wallen does well there too and dominates on Amazon. The five biggest rappers of the streaming era are (without ordering): Drake, Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole, Travis Scott and Post Malone (pre. 2021). Juice WRLD and XXXTENTACION deserve honourable mentions as well.
Besides, hip-hop reached an inflection point in its popularity four years ago.
The Golden Age of Melodic Rap is probably over (late 2014 to late 2022) and its chief protagonist is at the lowest point of his entire career. There's absolutely no guarantee at all that Drake will ever reclaim the prescient hold he had on pop culture during this period.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 18, 2024 2:25:45 GMT -5
US Spotify - 07/15/24
1(=) Kendrick Lamar - Not Like Us 2,636,688 (+83,608) 2(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Please Please Please 2,098,118 (+15,918) 3(+1) Billie Eilish - BIRDS OF A FEATHER 2,035,714 (+122,530) 4(+1) Chappell Roan - Good Luck, Babe! 1,981,194 (+74,872) *NEW PEAK* 5(+1) Post Malone, Morgan Wallen - I Had Some Help 1,934,526 (+39,972) 6(-3) Shaboozey - A Bar Song (Tipsy) 1,913,457 (-14,941) 7(=) Sabrina Carpenter - Espresso 1,840,617 (+87,510) 8(=) Tommy Richman - MILLION DOLLAR BABY 1,733,869 (+16,146) 9(=) Morgan Wallen - Lies Lies Lies 1,420,238 (-39,698) 10(=) Zach Bryan - 28 1,267,593 (-29,886)
Eminem - The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de Grâce) [16/19] 12(-1) Houdini 1,186,569 (-48,552) 20(-3) Fuel 903,714 (-36,824) 25(-10) Renaissance 867,333 (-119,605) (-12%) 28(-6) Tobey 827,980 (-38,237) 29(-13) Habits 823,267 (-124,965) 35(-5) Somebody Save Me 765,712 (-36,433) 38(-14) Brand New Dance 740,800 (-98,041) 53(-16) Evil 651,766 (-108,561) 54(-19) Trouble 649,928 (-111,502) 60(-19) Lucifer 618,346 (-102,891) 69(-21) Antichrist 577,698 (-98,608) 81(-20) Guilty Conscience 2 533,228 (-86,618) 103(-27) Temporary 475,111 (-80,163) 111(-32) Road Rage 460,041 (-86,162) 151(-45) Bad One 408,852 (-65,761) 159(-50) Head Honcho 399,817 (-72,196) Total Fifth Day Streams: 10,890,162 (-13.69%)
Others: 11(+1) Chappell Roan - HOT TO GO! 1,199,535 (+36,247) 13(=) Hozier - Too Sweet 1,128,438 (+22,578) 14(=) Benson Boone - Beautiful Things 1,091,119 (+3,292) 15(+29) Taylor Swift - I Can Do It With A Broken Heart 1,007,824 (+316,605) (+46%) 16(+3) Zach Bryan - Pink Skies 948,976 (+32,485) 17(+3) Future, Metro Boomin, Kendrick Lamar - Like That 919,518 (+28,105) 19(+4) Chappell Roan - Red Wine Supernova 904,413 (+51,715) 21(=) Teddy Swims - Lose Control 874,312 (-4,727) 22(+6) Tommy Richman - DEVIL IS A LIE 868,896 (+43,031) 24(+2) Morgan Wallen, ERNEST - Cowgirls 868,161 (+35,026) 26(+3) Billie Eilish - LUNCH 865,865 (+47,828) 27(-2) Dasha - Austin 833,319 (-4,698) 30(+2) Quavo, Lana Del Rey - Tough 818,441 (+25,690) 31(=) Chappell Roan - Pink Pony Club 816,920 (+14,913) 32(+2) Taylor Swift, Post Malone - Fortnight 795,525 (+32,542) 33(+3) Megan Thee Stallion, Yuki Chiba - Mamushi 785,604 (+24,410) 34(+6) The Kid LAROI - NIGHTS LIKE THIS 765,867 (+28,230) 39(-1) Post Malone, Blake Shelton - Pour Me A Drink 726,706 (-20,012) 41(+1) Zach Bryan - Heading South 707,084 (-1,473) 42(+5) FloyyMenor, Cris Mj - Gata Only 706,171 (+24,364) 43(+7) KAROL G - Si Antes Te Hubiera Conocido 705,818 (+33,166) *NEW PEAK* 44(+8) Ice Spice, Central Cee - Did It First 703,081 (+42,864) *NEW PEAK* 45(+1) Myles Smith - Stargazing 696,531 (+11,174) 46(-1) Ella Langley, Riley Green - you look like you love me 687,876 (+884) 47(+6) Charli XCX - 360 685,843 (+26,262) *NEW PEAK* 49(+5) Benson Boone - Slow It Down 667,011 (+13,664) 50(+8) Billie Eilish - CHIHIRO 663,420 (+36,244) 51(-2) Jimin, Loco - Smeraldo Garden Marching Band 652,499 (-22,580) 52(+7) Chappell Roan - Casual 651,892 (+29,870) 56(-1) Michael Marcagi - Scared to Start 647,131 (-1,292) 58(-7) Zach Bryan - Sun to Me 635,692 (-32,344) 61(+13) GloRilla - Yeah Glo! 608,638 (+47,993) 62(+5) SZA - Saturn 602,934 (+10,843) 65(+4) Kendrick Lamar - euphoria 597,351 (+17,734) 66(+5) Sabrina Carpenter - Feather 586,274 (+22,596) 68(+2) Artemas - i like the way you kiss me 580,318 (+15,964) 70(+7) Central Cee, Lil Baby - BAND4BAND 573,478 (+22,106) 71(+7) Dominic Fike - misses 571,428 (+24,666) 72(+10) The Kid LAROI - GIRLS 561,874 (+23,067) 75(-11) Zach Bryan - American Nights 556,553 (-44,996) 77(+21) Tucker Wetmore - Wind Up Missin' You 552,268 (+53,683) (+11%) 79(+6) Koe Wetzel, Jessie Murph - High Road 540,760 (+5,566) 82(+6) Future, Metro Boomin, Travis Scott, Playboi Carti - Type Shit 532,088 (+6,953) 83(=) Zach Bryan, John Mayer - Better Days 527,540 (-11,077) 85(+6) Marshmello, Kane Brown - Miles On It 524,369 (+11,288) 86(+11) Billie Eilish - WILDFLOWER 523,136 (+22,520) 90(+20) Mark Ambor - Belong Together 503,346 (+32,723) 93(+10) Jordan Adetunji - KEHLANI 498,778 (+6,976) 95(-14) Ritchy Mitch & The Coal Miners - Evergreen 496,681 (-43,490) 97(+7) Mustard, Travis Scott - Parking Lot 494,108 (+5,781) 98(+7) GloRilla - TGIF 491,991 (+13,759)
107(+5) Dominic Fike - Babydoll 464,519 (-2,427) 109(+13) Chappell Roan - My Kink is Karma 462,538 (+21,327) 112(+38) Charli XCX - Apple 459,170 (+54,554) (+13%) *NEW PEAK* 113(-6) TV Girl - Lovers Rock 459,158 (-14,060) 114(+9) Gunna - one of wun 459,115 (+18,128) 117(+11) Chappell Roan - Femininomenon 454,984 (+21,274) 118(+17) GloRilla, Megan Thee Stallion - Wanna Be 454,093 (+35,954) 119(+12) Taylor Swift - Down Bad 453,848 (+23,805) 120(+5) Gracie Abrams - Close to You 452,670 (+14,480) 121(-2) ian - Magic Johnson 451,760 (+8,602) 126(+3) A$AP Rocky - Sundress 440,042 (+7,522) 129(+5) Peso Pluma, Neton Vega - LA PATRULLA 436,571 (+16,835) 132(-5) Moneybagg Yo, Morgan Wallen - WHISKEY WHISKEY 428,200 (-6,578) 134(+2) Luis R Conriquez, Vega - Si No Quieres No 422,219 (+6,149) 137(+4) Tinashe - Nasty 419,549 (+6,163) 143(+32) Sevdaliza, Pabllo Vittar, Yseult - Alibi 416,124 (+33,753) *NEW PEAK* 144(+3) Kesha - JOYRIDE 415,527 (+9,223) 157(-20) 50 Cent - Many Men (Wish Death) 402,898 (-13,068) 160(+18) Luke Combs - Ain't No Love in Oklahoma 398,870 (+21,309) 162(-9) Rich Amiri - ONE CALL 394,476 (-8,784) 167(-5) Zach Bryan - Nine Ball 389,702 (-843) 172(+16) A$AP Rocky, Imogen Heap, Clams Casino - I Smoked Away My Brain 382,403 (+16,456) 175(+7) BigXthaPlug - Back On My BS 378,747 (+8,040) 177(RE) Ariana Grande - the boy is mine 377,828 186(RE) Cris Mj - SI NO ES CONTIGO 368,951 192(-19) Zach Bryan - The Way Back 365,849 (-17,094) 195(RE) Childish Gambino - Lithonia 363,811
Total Streams for Chappell Roan - The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess [6/14]: 4,490,282
Biggest Gains (50K+): You Should Probably Leave, Apple, Wind Up Missin' You, You Proof, Red Wine Supernova, I Can Do It With A Broken Heart, Good Luck Babe!, BIRDS OF A FEATHER, Not Like Us
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Post by clsvltn on Jul 18, 2024 8:39:54 GMT -5
What is the next major album release? Is it Sabrina in late august? That's the only thing I can think of. anyone im missing?
oh I forgot Posty!!! - edit
edit 2 - checking the release calendar
July 19:
Childish Gambino, Bando Stone & the New World (RCA Records)
Jimin, MUSE (BIGHIT MUSIC)
Rich the Kid, Life’s a Gamble
July 26: Ice Spice, Y2K (10K Projects/Capitol Records)
Aug. 2: Maren Morris, Intermission (Columbia Records)
Aug. 9: J Balvin, Rayo (Sueños Globales/UMG Recordings)
Aug. 16: Post Malone, F-1 Trillion (Mercury Records/Republic Records)
Aug. 23:
Lainey Wilson, Whirlwind (Broken Bow Records)
Sabrina Carpenter, Short n’ Sweet (Island Records)
Aug. 30:
A$AP Rocky, Don’t Be Dumb
Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds, Wild God (Play It Again Sam)
Sept. 13: Snow Patrol, The Forest Is the Path (Polydor Records)
Sept. 20: Katy Perry, 143 (Capitol Records)
Oct. 4: Coldplay, Moon Music
Oct. 11: The Offspring, Supercharged (Concord Records)
Oct. 25: Andrea Bocelli, Duets (Decca Records/Sugar Music)
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