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Post by tortuga on Nov 28, 2004 20:36:33 GMT -5
They aren't voting on the actual best singing in each category. :o Is this true?
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 28, 2004 20:44:39 GMT -5
Uh..yeah.
The only reason vocal is even in the category title is so that an instrumentalist can't be nominated.
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Post by PT08 on Nov 28, 2004 21:03:26 GMT -5
is there any chance (in the female pop vocal) for: Nelly Furtado - Try [Personally, I think it's better than I'm Like A bird] Celine Dion - You and I [Great song, vocally, and lyrically, but not so much a big hit..] While both were moderate hits in Canada, they both wen't largely ignored in the U.S. and therefore probably wont be nominated
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Post by kellydicted on Nov 28, 2004 21:05:58 GMT -5
makes sense
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Post by Bob on Nov 28, 2004 23:59:08 GMT -5
I think people take the "Vocal Performance" categories wrong anyway. All that means is that there must be vocals in the song (i.e. it can't be an instrumental). They aren't voting on the actual best singing in each category. for instance, look at all of Beyoncé's wins...
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Nov 29, 2004 16:26:38 GMT -5
Britney Spears' multiple nominations in this category over the last few years definitely attest to that. BTW, non-hit songs might still have a shot. "Overprotected" was pretty much a U.S. flop (barely scraped Hot 100, I think), yet it got nominated for Best Female Pop Vocal Performance.
I'm fully prepared for Clay Aiken to be snubbed. If he does get nominated, it'll be all the sweeter :)
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Post by kellydicted on Nov 29, 2004 16:30:52 GMT -5
i thought "Overprotected" was a pretty good song...I really doubt Clay Aiken will be nominated for anything
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Nov 29, 2004 16:54:59 GMT -5
I mean, I liked "Overprotected" too, but it really wasn't a hit over here. Combined with the fact that Britney isn't exactly a highly esteemed vocalist, I was shocked it got nominated at all. Yeah, i'm thinking Clay Aiken will get ignored too, but i'll keep holding out hope until Dec. 7th. I'd be crossing my fingers for Kelly Clarkson too, but i'm relatively sure she'll get something. Fantasia will probably be nominated for Best New Artist.
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Post by britrocks16 on Nov 29, 2004 18:08:46 GMT -5
I just hope Britney can pick up 3-4 nominations.
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Post by kellydicted on Nov 29, 2004 18:58:53 GMT -5
well if britney wants a sure grammy win, "Toxic" should be submitted for Dance...not pop vocal where her chances are slimmer
I loved it when norah pulled a clean sweep at the grammys 2 years ago but i seriously hope that she doesnt get female pop vocal and that "breakaway" wins instead
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Post by benmcd2000 on Dec 1, 2004 0:20:04 GMT -5
Avril is a co-writer on "Breakaway". Yes I know, I am just wondering if this was written specifically for the PD2 movie or not? Any song Disney commissions for a film usually means that the writers have to sacrifice the publishing rights. Checking with ASCAP, I can see the song was published by each of the three songwriter’s publisher. So perhaps it was written before the movie, and used by the producers because they thought it would work.
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Post by bluenote on Dec 1, 2004 0:35:06 GMT -5
well if britney wants a sure grammy win, "Toxic" should be submitted for Dance...not pop vocal where her chances are slimmer yea, but of course Jive wont do that. >:(
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Post by Bob on Dec 1, 2004 0:57:25 GMT -5
of course a song doesn't have to be a hit to win, a great example is Mary J. Blige's solo win for "He Think I Don't Know" which wasn't even a single.
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Post by kellydicted on Dec 1, 2004 0:59:07 GMT -5
Yes I know, I am just wondering if this was written specifically for the PD2 movie or not? Any song Disney commissions for a film usually means that the writers have to sacrifice the publishing rights. Checking with ASCAP, I can see the song was published by each of the three songwriter’s publisher. So perhaps it was written before the movie, and used by the producers because they thought it would work. from what i've read, the song was written with the intention of it going on the "under my skin" album but was scrapped...later on avril decided to submit it to disney. I guess theres a fine line between actual use and the original intentions of the writers.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Dec 1, 2004 6:39:59 GMT -5
"Breakaway" has never appeared in any form prior to the Princess Diaries 2 soundtrack, so I think it might count. Unlike "The Trouble With Love Is", which was on Thankful months before it was chosen for use in Love Actually.
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Post by FriendsFan on Dec 1, 2004 17:32:11 GMT -5
Kylie is the finalist for Best Dance Recording for "Slow" and Best Pop Vocal Album for Body Language. I'm 99% sure she'll get a nod for "Slow."
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Dec 1, 2004 19:46:13 GMT -5
I think Kylie has a good chance to win Best Dance Recording, unless Britney's label is smart enough to submit "Toxic" to dance instead of pop.
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Post by Evergreen on Dec 1, 2004 21:33:31 GMT -5
"Toxic" would be far from a lock to win Dance Recording. Her chances are just as good in pop.
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Post by michellem on Dec 1, 2004 21:47:21 GMT -5
Fantasia will probably be nominated for Best New Artist. You have got to be kidding me, I know you can't really be this clueless. #1 if she were you'd commit suicide. #2 I would think you'd have to actually have an album out to be nominated in this category (her's was just released) artist like Kanye West, Grethcen Wilson who have an album will be eligible for BNA this year at the grammys. Fantasia is good but there is no way she will be nominted for "Best New Artist" at the Grammy's this year. Now next year get ready to have a fit because I'm sure she will not only get nominations but may win.
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Post by michellem on Dec 1, 2004 22:43:05 GMT -5
Ruben's nomination was in a relatively non-competitive category that Luther was definitely going to win. They just needed to find four other songs to fit around "Dance with my father". WOW this is so funny. I'm new to this thread but I am praying that Clay gets a nom so I can come right back and say "clay was in a relativitely non-competitive category that Usher was definitely going to win. They just needed to find four other songs to fit around "Yeah" so they chose "Solitaire". " I am sure you WISH they'd squeez clay in for anything. Please don't try to downplay Ruben, IMO, a grammy nomination is an honor for an artist and only one person is going to win in each category anyway so in essence every category is just looking for "fillers" to complete the categories..not just Ruben's. You act as if Ruben is a "special" case. He's not dear.
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Post by song4u on Dec 2, 2004 11:21:47 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that once again, pop female and pop male will be flooded by veterans + one "youngster" in each (Avril or Britney, Ryan Cabrera or John Mayer).
If Sheryl Crow wins yet another Grammy.......
(I like her, but it's embarassing if she's really the "Grammy default queen")
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Post by bluenote on Dec 2, 2004 12:15:31 GMT -5
#2 I would think you'd have to actually have an album out to be nominated in this category i dont think thats true. Christina Aguilera won and the only thing she had out was "genie in a bottle"
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Post by bluenote on Dec 2, 2004 12:17:52 GMT -5
I think Kylie has a good chance to win Best Dance Recording, unless Britney's label is smart enough to submit "Toxic" to dance instead of pop. I think Toxic would definately win in this categry. Toxic actually deserves a Record of the year nomination.
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Post by Evergreen on Dec 2, 2004 14:32:46 GMT -5
i dont think thats true. Christina Aguilera won and the only thing she had out was "genie in a bottle" Nope, her album came out well before the eligibility period ended!
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Dec 2, 2004 15:12:26 GMT -5
Luther was in a coma at the time the nominations came out. The Grammys love anyone who's deceased or on their way to becoming so. So if Clay dies, he could sweep (just kidding).
And Clay would never be nominated in the same category as Usher for a song anyway. Usher would go under Male Contemporary R&B, while Clay would be under Male Pop Vocal. Of course, just like the AMAs, NARAS could decide that "Yeah" is eligible for pop and R&B and hip-hop and polka categories.
The Best New Artist category is for anyone who "gained public recognition" during the past eligibility year. Fantasia certainly qualifies.
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Post by bluenote on Dec 2, 2004 15:36:08 GMT -5
Nope, her album came out well before the eligibility period ended! oh ok.
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Post by Bcacb on Dec 2, 2004 16:26:24 GMT -5
Luther was in a coma at the time the nominations came out. The Grammys love anyone who's deceased or on their way to becoming so. So if Clay dies, he could sweep (just kidding). And Clay would never be nominated in the same category as Usher for a song anyway. Usher would go under Male Contemporary R&B, while Clay would be under Male Pop Vocal. Of course, just like the AMAs, NARAS could decide that "Yeah" is eligible for pop and R&B and hip-hop and polka categories. The Best New Artist category is for anyone who "gained public recognition" during the past eligibility year. Fantasia certainly qualifies. "Burn" could go into pop and "Confessions Part II" could go into R&B or vise-versa. Thanks, Ben
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Post by kellydicted on Dec 2, 2004 17:18:57 GMT -5
best new artist is saturated with better possibilities than fantasia...maybe she'll get nominated for "i believe" like rubens "superstar" was last year.
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Post by allow that on Dec 3, 2004 17:26:13 GMT -5
It'd be nice if Keane can pull in a Best New Artist nod, though I don't see that happening.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Dec 3, 2004 22:17:49 GMT -5
I think people take the "Vocal Performance" categories wrong anyway. All that means is that there must be vocals in the song (i.e. it can't be an instrumental). They aren't voting on the actual best singing in each category. That's a good point. So, apparently, Joss Stone, Will.I.Am & Fergie of the BEP and Kevin Spacey have been added to the list of Grammy nomination announcers. They join Anita Baker; Earth, Wind & Fire; Doug Robb and Dan Estrin of Hoobastank; Mark McGrath, JD Natasha, Nelly, Kanye West and Gretchen Wilson. Would NARAS essentially spoil 3 of the 5 BNA nominees (Stone, West and Wilson) by having them announce? I'm probably over-thinking it, but there it is. Jersey Boy, I'd be psyched to see Keane make it in, but, like you, I doubt it. I think Modest Mouse stands a better chance, even though this is their, what, 4th album? The BNA field is really crowded. Jet could get in, Hoobastank could if NARAS considers 2003 the year in which they entered the public consciousness, and then there's Modest Mouse and Franz Ferdinand. And they're all essentially competing for the one spot that's left after Maroon 5, Gretchen Wilson, Kanye West and (presumably) Joss Stone take up the other 4. And that's assuming that NARAS doesn't go for a total surprise, as they did with the deserving but out-of-nowhere choice of Heather Headley last year.
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