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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 30, 2004 13:47:06 GMT -5
Well keep in mind I don't live in the States. I live in Canada, and here in Toronto our Pop/Top 40 station (closest thing to one) only mildly added HTB to their playlist, and very late in the game also. I only heard it on that station like 3 times, it didn't do much and was probably only forced because it was a #4 Pop hit in the U.S. Im not sure about the Hot AC stations like Mix 99.9 or Chum FM, but I'm sure it got play on that. I'm just saying, to ALOT of people I know "This Love" is their introduction to Maroon5. Alot of people, maybe it's just around here, don't even know HTB existed. But that's probably a product of being in this city, and Im sure if it was in the States it would be the total opposite. That's exactly what I mean! I'm sure people KNOW the actual song 'Harder To Breathe' but are probably unaware that it's the same band that does 'This Love'.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 30, 2004 13:53:22 GMT -5
It has to be a Canadian thing. That song was everywhere and was performed everywhere in America. Im amazed it was not the same way in Canada!
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Post by Ragin on Apr 30, 2004 15:03:42 GMT -5
It has to be a Canadian thing. That song was everywhere and was performed everywhere in America. Im amazed it was not the same way in Canada! Actually a lot of people here in the states that I talk to love both songs but were unaware that they are by the same band. The band just didn't have much recognition when HTB was burning up the charts. They knew the song, just not who it was by.
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Post by malibu88 on May 28, 2004 17:49:37 GMT -5
What happened to this song? I dont' see it anywhere here - www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=16691I guess they're gonna wait till This Love dies out completely for this one. A shame, cuz I'm am REALLY sick of both HTB & TL.
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Post by ExActLy99 on May 29, 2004 10:32:00 GMT -5
I'd imagine this song will be nearing N&A in about 2 weeks, it's currently at #93, +21, w/ 63 spins, last week it was down in spins, so stations are starting to pick up on it, no adds listed though.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on May 29, 2004 18:25:14 GMT -5
Love Maroon 5. I heard that She will be Loved will be followed by Sunday Morning. I would prefer Tangled, myself. Here's a link to VH1 for some Live performances by M5. Plus, news on a remix of This Love by Kanye West. Interesting. Would love to hear that! www.vh1.com/artists/az/maroon_5/artist.jhtml?_requestid=375398Question: how much did the This Love video's racy shots affect the popularity of this song in your opinion?
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Post by NORTHCOAST on May 29, 2004 18:28:28 GMT -5
I for one disliked "Disease" strongly (it's actually the only matchbox twenty single I'd consider a bad choice) and many other matchbox fans didn't like it either. I think "Disease" would have flopped either way. "Unwell" is a better-quality track, and "Bright Lights" is even better. Sincerely, Noah Eaton Did anyone watch Behind the Music where the WPLJ disc jockey talks about Disease. She commented that the response to it was "huge" and that it was a hit. She was really quite over the top with her praise. I wonder if she feels kinda stupid now that it is obvious that it underperformed.
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Post by Ragin on May 29, 2004 20:05:09 GMT -5
Did anyone watch Behind the Music where the WPLJ disc jockey talks about Disease. She commented that the response to it was "huge" and that it was a hit. She was really quite over the top with her praise. I wonder if she feels kinda stupid now that it is obvious that it underperformed. Disease was a huge hit on many radio stations. A person from one station is going to most often talk about a song based on their playlist. Disease was pretty big on HotAC, isn't that what WPLJ is? I'm not sure I agree with you at all that she was wrong in what she said.
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Post by Diablo Cody™ on May 30, 2004 7:18:22 GMT -5
This song is so good. Better than "This Love" in my honest opinion.
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Post by Ragin on Jun 10, 2004 8:10:45 GMT -5
When oh when is this song going for adds?
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Post by Mega248 on Jun 10, 2004 8:33:52 GMT -5
The chorus sounds slightly different in this from how it sounds on the album. I don't like it as much.
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Post by Hervard on Jun 10, 2004 10:01:38 GMT -5
When oh when is this song going for adds? Hopefully, not until "This Love" drops off the charts.
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Post by ultramix1978 on Jun 10, 2004 10:02:13 GMT -5
I still for the life of me can't understand why people keep saying "Disease" flopped. I can tell you several stations (Pop & Hot & Modern AC) that had #1 call out success with it. It peaked at what #19-21 area at POP and went #4 at Hot AC and #1 at Modern AC. Man, I'd hate to have a Top 20 single at Teen Pop, Top 40 at Billboard Hot 100, and #1 Modern AC hit if I was a band. If you take a look back at some of the greatest songs that still get played today, alot of them were #19-21 peak songs. Tom Petty's "You Got Lucky" or Modern English's "I Melt With You" I don't believe even made Top 40 but still gets tons of airplay 20 years later. If having a Top 10 hit is the only to not flop then Casey Casem would have started the Top 10 countdown and Radio & Records wouldn't bother with the Top 50 Pop chart. The only reason "Disease" didn't go closer to Top 10 is the same reason alot of 90's pop/rock band don't even chart at all. Times have changed, but good songs always find there way even in a Younger Hip Hop Leaning Top 40 world. That #19-21 peak is the same as #8-12 peak 4 years ago in my book. To see Matchbox Twenty still rack the Top 20 beside Avril,Outkast,Simple Plan, & Beyonce is amazing in my book!!! Now "Unwell" & "Bright Lights" are both stronger songs which would both have peaked higher a few years ago to. "Unwell" would've went #1 and "Bright Lights" would have easily peaked up there with "Back 2 Good". So it's not fair to say a song is a flop unless it FLOPS!!!. Not making the Top 40 is a flop!! Now as to personal opinion you can say I didn't like "Disease", but to call it a flop is CRAZY & IDIOTIC!! Matchbox Twenty are a Hot AC band anyway. They own there own format!! It's like Phil Collins breaking AC records with "You'll Be In My Heart" & "Can't Stop Loving You" which crossed over to Hot AC Top 40 & "You'll Be In My Heart" hit The Top 40 back in the late 90's too. Could Phil Collins still get a Top 40 hit now at CHR, NO, and the fact that I can predict is predjudice already and that sucks. A hit is a hit, but I guess those both flopped to because CHR is the only format anyone in this world cares about or listens too I guess. That's why I run an Internet radio station where I still can play the hits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Ragin on Jun 10, 2004 10:16:39 GMT -5
wow. Well I agree with all of that, but still, wow.
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Post by irice22 on Jun 10, 2004 11:27:44 GMT -5
"Disease" flopped on pop. If you're on the pop boards... you can usually assume we're talking about the pop chart.
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Post by Mega248 on Jun 10, 2004 12:13:28 GMT -5
I still for the life of me can't understand why people keep saying "Disease" flopped. I can tell you several stations (Pop & Hot & Modern AC) that had #1 call out success with it. It peaked at what #19-21 area at POP and went #4 at Hot AC and #1 at Modern AC. Man, I'd hate to have a Top 20 single at Teen Pop, Top 40 at Billboard Hot 100, and #1 Modern AC hit if I was a band. If you take a look back at some of the greatest songs that still get played today, alot of them were #19-21 peak songs. Tom Petty's "You Got Lucky" or Modern English's "I Melt With You" I don't believe even made Top 40 but still gets tons of airplay 20 years later. If having a Top 10 hit is the only to not flop then Casey Casem would have started the Top 10 countdown and Radio & Records wouldn't bother with the Top 50 Pop chart. The only reason "Disease" didn't go closer to Top 10 is the same reason alot of 90's pop/rock band don't even chart at all. Times have changed, but good songs always find there way even in a Younger Hip Hop Leaning Top 40 world. That #19-21 peak is the same as #8-12 peak 4 years ago in my book. To see Matchbox Twenty still rack the Top 20 beside Avril,Outkast,Simple Plan, & Beyonce is amazing in my book!!! Now "Unwell" & "Bright Lights" are both stronger songs which would both have peaked higher a few years ago to. "Unwell" would've went #1 and "Bright Lights" would have easily peaked up there with "Back 2 Good". So it's not fair to say a song is a flop unless it FLOPS!!!. Not making the Top 40 is a flop!! Now as to personal opinion you can say I didn't like "Disease", but to call it a flop is CRAZY & IDIOTIC!! Matchbox Twenty are a Hot AC band anyway. They own there own format!! It's like Phil Collins breaking AC records with "You'll Be In My Heart" & "Can't Stop Loving You" which crossed over to Hot AC Top 40 & "You'll Be In My Heart" hit The Top 40 back in the late 90's too. Could Phil Collins still get a Top 40 hit now at CHR, NO, and the fact that I can predict is predjudice already and that sucks. A hit is a hit, but I guess those both flopped to because CHR is the only format anyone in this world cares about or listens too I guess. That's why I run an Internet radio station where I still can play the hits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's all relative. For some bands, making the top 40 at all would be a hit. For other bands, a song might not be considered a hit unless it made the top 10. While I wouldn't call "Disease" a flop on pop, I'd call it a dissapointment. Prior to the release of "Disease", Matchbox Twenty had had six top 10s, so a #21 peak was considered dissapointing.
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Post by Ragin on Jun 10, 2004 12:24:52 GMT -5
"Disease" flopped on pop. If you're on the pop boards... you can usually assume we're talking about the pop chart. It did? I could've sworn it was a top30 hit.
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Post by The Music Man on Jun 10, 2004 12:56:54 GMT -5
It was. I think it might have been a Top 20 hit as well...a #19 peak maybe? Or something in that range.
Anyway, back on the subject...things may be looking up for She Will Be Loved. The song has just been added at two major stations...Z100-New York and Kiss 108-Boston. I think that's awesome...and keep in mind that This Love is still in power rotation at a million CHR stations and is holding steady in the Top 10 and it looks to stay that way for a good while. I'm pretty confident that SWBL will be a big hit for Maroon 5.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 10, 2004 13:24:28 GMT -5
The first single from a major band with tons of hype peaking at #21 (I swear it peaked at #21, I may be wrong, but close to that) is a disappointment. Fans can argue all they want, but that is a disappointment. I personally LIKE the song but I know its performance was not stellar.
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Jun 10, 2004 13:32:27 GMT -5
Z-100 is "premiering" this right now.
Interesting bit: This is the fastest paced song on the album even though it is a ballad (ballads are notoriously slower).
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Post by Hervard on Jun 10, 2004 14:57:34 GMT -5
wow. Well I agree with all of that, but still, wow. Double wow, considering that was UM1978's first post on these boards!
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Post by Mega248 on Jun 10, 2004 15:16:07 GMT -5
LOL... did no one read my post? I mentioned where the song peaked right in it.
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Post by ultramix1978 on Jun 10, 2004 15:34:10 GMT -5
It might have not peaked as high as previous Matchbox singles but over all it was still bigger than "Mad Season". I think "Mad Season" went #19 at Pop, and #5 at Hot AC where "Disease" went #21 and #1 at Modern AC and #4 at Hot AC. And everyone knows a you can't judge numbers that close at POP you'd haft to look at spins. Also I think "Disease" only had 100 stations on it and not like 122 or anything, and the stations that did add it had real good success with it. So you can't always look at charts and say things are flops,call up a program director and ask how the songs doing, then maybe. At POP a #21 hit is not a flop. The Pop chart moves SO QUICKLY THESE DAYS it's hard for singer/songwriter type bands to pick up momentum while keeping enough panel stations on it and still keeping a bullet. I've seen songs have 80+ stations on it and hit top 40 and then fall out of top 40, then have another 30-40 jump on it late and re enter the top 40 or close, but without all the stations on a song at relatively the same time, it's hard for bands to capitolize on the single's full success............ Bottom Line, what I was saying is 1. Times have changed since "Bent" & "If You're Gone" days 2. Chart moves really quickly & tends to lead YOUNG & URBAN 3. YOU CAN'T JUDGE EVERY SONG THE SAME ON PEAK POSITION WITHOUT KNOWING ALL THE FACTS
"Disease" is alot of things, but a FLOP,,NO!! Ask WVSR 102.7 Charleston,WV if it's a flop. It tore up their phone lines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by HER MINAJesty on Jun 10, 2004 15:39:04 GMT -5
Z-100 is "premiering" this right now. Interesting bit: This is the fastest paced song on the album even though it is a ballad (ballads are notoriously slower). Huh?? ??? I don't get it...this is the fastest paced song on the album?? More like the slowest. Harder to Breathe and This Love are both more fast paced than this, this sounds like Coldplay.
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Post by reception on Jun 10, 2004 21:47:41 GMT -5
It's an okay song. Perhaps a grower.
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Jun 10, 2004 22:29:53 GMT -5
Huh?? ??? I don't get it...this is the fastest paced song on the album?? More like the slowest. Harder to Breathe and This Love are both more fast paced than this, this sounds like Coldplay. You count Harder to Breathe and This Love 1-2-3-4. This Love is slightly faster than Harder to Breathe. You count She Will Be Loved 1-2-1-2. Going by music theory, it's faster.
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Post by HER MINAJesty on Jun 10, 2004 22:54:03 GMT -5
I still don't see how She Will Be Loved is "faster", but hey...doesn't matter
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jun 10, 2004 23:43:00 GMT -5
This song isn't very good at all. Its a HOT FLOP!
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Post by Bcacb on Jun 11, 2004 4:32:31 GMT -5
You count Harder to Breathe and This Love 1-2-3-4. This Love is slightly faster than Harder to Breathe. You count She Will Be Loved 1-2-1-2. Going by music theory, it's faster. I have never been able to distinguish between 2/4 and 4/4 time. Is there a trick to it or do you just have to have a lot of experience with music theory? Thanks, Ben
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