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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 19, 2008 10:42:39 GMT -5
Uhm, there is absolutely nothing wrong with fans talking about My December. I will personally still be bringing it up 3 albums from now LMAO. If posters do not like My December mentioned they can always just not take part in that discussion. Can I have a Kiss is my current jam
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Post by Bluesy on Jun 19, 2008 10:53:35 GMT -5
My december deserves to be talked about though because it was so f*cking good. That's a matter of very strong opinion, both pro and con. The pro side happens to dominate here. So naturally you folks who enjoyed the album want to talk about it, and you have every right to do so. But here, I'm not talking about rights. I'm talking about moving on. Looking to the future. MD has been hashed and rehashed, and rehashed again, and again, and again, and again, and again. In my opinion, it's long past time to put that era to bed and move on. Remember the days when Kelly's songs topped the charts, and she was on every list of top celebrities, top grosses in tours, and all that? Well, on 6/11/08, Forbes released this year's list of top 100 celebrities. Kelly isn't on the list (Carrie Underwood is). I'm hoping Kelly's new album lifts her back up there. www.forbes.com/lists/2008/53/celebrities08_The-Celebrity-100_Rank.html
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Post by Bluesy on Jun 19, 2008 11:00:47 GMT -5
Uhm, there is absolutely nothing wrong with fans talking about My December. I will personally still be bringing it up 3 albums from now LMAO. If posters do not like My December mentioned they can always just not take part in that discussion. With respect, no one said there's anything wrong with talking about MD. I made a plea for us to look forward, not back. It will be truly unfortunate if this is going to become yet another hand-wringing MD thread. If it does, as you say, folks with my point of view can ignore that discussion. For the 'umpteenth' time. There's so much to look forward to with Kelly's new album. I'd rather go there than go back.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 19, 2008 11:26:13 GMT -5
Uhm, there is absolutely nothing wrong with fans talking about My December. I will personally still be bringing it up 3 albums from now LMAO. If posters do not like My December mentioned they can always just not take part in that discussion. If it does, as you say, folks with my point of view can ignore that discussion. For the 'umpteenth' time. I never saw you avoid a MD debate! MD was a fantastic album that 99% of fans loved or at least liked. It will never be forgotten. Just like Breakaway will never completely be forgotten or even parts of the first album. I mean, it sucks if you dislike MD, but there are plenty of songs and albums I see discussed all the time in other artists' threads that I think suck. I just leave for a few hours or post something new in the direction I want to go :)
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Post by Focus on Jun 19, 2008 11:27:19 GMT -5
My december deserves to be talked about though because it was so f*cking good. That's a matter of very strong opinion, both pro and con. The pro side happens to dominate here. So naturally you folks who enjoyed the album want to talk about it, and you have every right to do so. But here, I'm not talking about rights. I'm talking about moving on. Looking to the future. MD has been hashed and rehashed, and rehashed again, and again, and again, and again, and again. In my opinion, it's long past time to put that era to bed and move on. Remember the days when Kelly's songs topped the charts, and she was on every list of top celebrities, top grosses in tours, and all that? Well, on 6/11/08, Forbes released this year's list of top 100 celebrities. Kelly isn't on the list (Carrie Underwood is). I'm hoping Kelly's new album lifts her back up there.www.forbes.com/lists/2008/53/celebrities08_The-Celebrity-100_Rank.htmlI don't remember Kelly being on that list, even during the height of the Breakaway era. And who gives a flying f**k anyway. The girl is wealthy beyond belief and set for life. It's her music that's important not some stupid bankroll list. ;) eta: not to take anything away from Carrie for being on Forbes list. She's had 1 hugely successful album and a second one that's also been very successful so far, plus she's toured and worked her ass of that last couple of years. Good for her for making the list. Now she's set for life too. :)
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Post by Bluesy on Jun 19, 2008 13:17:02 GMT -5
If it does, as you say, folks with my point of view can ignore that discussion. For the 'umpteenth' time. I never saw you avoid a MD debate! MD was a fantastic album that 99% of fans loved or at least liked. It will never be forgotten. Just like Breakaway will never completely be forgotten or even parts of the first album. I mean, it sucks if you dislike MD, but there are plenty of songs and albums I see discussed all the time in other artists' threads that I think suck. I just leave for a few hours or post something new in the direction I want to go :) I avoided discussing MD many, many times. Only jumped in once in awhile, and even stayed off the thread for months at a stretch. But that's my deal, no one else's. And that's the past. If people want to make this an MD rehash thread, you're absolutely right. I can ignore it and make better use of my time.
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Post by Bluesy on Jun 19, 2008 13:24:55 GMT -5
That's a matter of very strong opinion, both pro and con. The pro side happens to dominate here. So naturally you folks who enjoyed the album want to talk about it, and you have every right to do so. But here, I'm not talking about rights. I'm talking about moving on. Looking to the future. MD has been hashed and rehashed, and rehashed again, and again, and again, and again, and again. In my opinion, it's long past time to put that era to bed and move on. Remember the days when Kelly's songs topped the charts, and she was on every list of top celebrities, top grosses in tours, and all that? Well, on 6/11/08, Forbes released this year's list of top 100 celebrities. Kelly isn't on the list (Carrie Underwood is). I'm hoping Kelly's new album lifts her back up there.www.forbes.com/lists/2008/53/celebrities08_The-Celebrity-100_Rank.htmlI don't remember Kelly being on that list, even during the height of the Breakaway era. And who gives a flying f**k anyway. The girl is wealthy beyond belief and set for life. It's her music that's important not some stupid bankroll list. ;) eta: not to take anything away from Carrie for being on Forbes list. She's had 1 hugely successful album and a second one that's also been very successful so far, plus she's toured and worked her ass of that last couple of years. Good for her for making the list. Now she's set for life too. :) Focus, you and I are never going to have the same perspective on things like this. (BTW, I didn't say Kelly was on the Forbes list before. I said she was on a lot of similar lists, and gave some examples.) From my point of view, it isn't about being set for life. It's about continuing to see her career grow. For me, it was such a joyous thing to hear Kelly's music everywhere. I miss that. I'm sorry I ever asked for folks to put the MD era to bed, because all that does is bring out the same old knee-jerk defensiveness and arguments that I thought were a thing of the past. So I'll shut up now and come back when her new album is being discussed.
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Post by picklerclarkson on Jun 19, 2008 14:11:03 GMT -5
No one ever said Kelly wanted to be on top of the world. If she did she would have made a more commercial album. She has stated she doesn't want to be like Madonna. Breakaway was too much for Kelly and although all the fans loved that Era don't expect it to reoccur. 3 hits is more than enough for one album IMO.
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Post by neally on Jun 19, 2008 17:47:24 GMT -5
I don't remember Kelly being on that list, even during the height of the Breakaway era. And who gives a flying f**k anyway. The girl is wealthy beyond belief and set for life. It's her music that's important not some stupid bankroll list. ;) eta: not to take anything away from Carrie for being on Forbes list. She's had 1 hugely successful album and a second one that's also been very successful so far, plus she's toured and worked her ass of that last couple of years. Good for her for making the list. Now she's set for life too. :) Focus, you and I are never going to have the same perspective on things like this. (BTW, I didn't say Kelly was on the Forbes list before. I said she was on a lot of similar lists, and gave some examples.) From my point of view, it isn't about being set for life. It's about continuing to see her career grow. For me, it was such a joyous thing to hear Kelly's music everywhere. I miss that. I'm sorry I ever asked for folks to put the MD era to bed, because all that does is bring out the same old knee-jerk defensiveness and arguments that I thought were a thing of the past. So I'll shut up now and come back when her new album is being discussed. I understand your viewpoint, music4aw, so I hope you understood my aforementioned one, which sees the appropriateness of using Kelly's previous records as a basis on wish to discuss her new one in process. Clearly your view on this matter differs from many other poster's views, but it seems these folks wish to continue discussing 'My December' for whatever reason. I try not to impose my wishes on others and expect others to do the same. There are things in this and other threads that I also do not care for as well, but that is the beauty of scrolling... ;) As far as topping charts and lists, I agree with you, music4aw, as would also enjoy hearing Kelly's music and seeing Kelly everywhere as the omnipresent Kelly Clarkson ruled 2005 and 2006. I know that working as hard as she did physically and mentally drained her. Thus, I think Kelly will be more sensible this go around if this record blows up even 1/3 as big as 'Breakaway' did because hopefully she has learned from her mistakes. Since Kelly is financially set for life between her NASCAR, Ford, Vitamin Water, Candies endorsements and loads of touring and sales, as Focus already mentioned, I really do not care how much more money she earns or how she spends it, as she has a h*ll of a lot more than I'll ever have, lmao !
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Post by Berry on Jun 20, 2008 1:53:35 GMT -5
Well speaking of old albums, this was posted on KCE:
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Post by slimjim on Jun 20, 2008 2:10:26 GMT -5
^^ i just thought that i would mention that Kelly did all the Nascar stuff for free.
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Post by neally on Jun 20, 2008 4:30:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the link !
Here is the complete list in case any one is curious:
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Post by neally on Jun 20, 2008 4:44:12 GMT -5
POSSIBLE NEW KELLY CLARKSON SONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!'Love Like You Never Been Hurt Before'Thanks to bixblitz of KCE: Although this is just a demo (and not Kelly singing), I have to be honest- I'm not feeling the song so far- it reminds me of a cheesy ballad from an 80s adolescent movie......
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Post by jord on Jun 20, 2008 5:52:44 GMT -5
Oh my god, that song is beautiful and I pray I get to hear Kelly's version. It can imagine it being huge.
It seems that the album is going to be consisiting of songs that haven't been written by Kelly herself which is quite upsetting considering the struggle she's had to release her own stuff.
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Post by Focus on Jun 20, 2008 5:58:27 GMT -5
POSSIBLE NEW KELLY CLARKSON SONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!'Love Like You Never Been Hurt Before'Thanks to bixblitz of KCE: Although this is just a demo (and not Kelly singing), I have to be honest- I'm not feeling the song so far- it reminds me of a cheesy ballad from an 80s adolescent movie...... Ditto. I think he's pulling our leg.
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Post by Focus on Jun 20, 2008 6:30:02 GMT -5
Well speaking of old albums, this was posted on KCE: [/size][/quote][/quote] Congratulations to Kelly and Breakaway! NICE!!!
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Post by kcchica on Jun 20, 2008 7:27:39 GMT -5
Well speaking of old albums, this was posted on KCE: [/size][/quote][/quote] This is AWESOME! Congrats to Kelly for this. If you think about it, it is a nice show of respect for her. Glad to see her get alittle, girl seems like with every album she has to prove herself all over again. Damn shame. Breakaway is a great album front to back, just as MD is a great album. And I know this next album will be a great one too. I can't wait for some new stuff already.
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Post by Focus on Jun 20, 2008 8:46:43 GMT -5
Here's an article about Emmylou Harris, with a great mention of Kelly, calling her one of Emmylou's spiritual progeny's.... Harris' spiritual progeny By David Menconi, Staff WriterComment on this story Emmylou Harris first gained notice as duet partner of the late great Gram Parsons, who died in 1973. She has continued to carry Parsons' stylistic flame since then, serving as inspiration to generations of singers straddling rock, folk and country: Alison Krauss -- Fittingly, Krauss' voice played the role of siren in the 2000 movie "O Brother, Where Art Thou?," singing a bewitching seduction song in harmony with Harris and Gillian Welch. Patty Griffin -- Superlative singer/songwriter Harris has long championed, and covered. Harris, Griffin and Shawn Colvin played Chapel Hill last January on a tour dubbed "Three Girls and Their Buddy" (with guitarist Buddy Miller, another Harris associate, currently playing on the Krauss/Robert Plant tour). Beth Orton -- Dusky-voiced English singer whose electronic-influenced folk bears some resemblance to the ambient albums Harris has been making since the mid-1990s. Tres Chicas -- The local trio of Lynn Blakey, Caitlin Cary and Tonya Lamm would be a perfect backup choir for Harris (hint, hint). Harris has also sung with Cary's former Whiskeytown bandmate Ryan Adams. Tift Merritt -- When Harris played on CBS' "Late Show With David Letterman" on June 12, Triangle expatriate Merritt was there as one of her backup singers. Kelly Clarkson -- Seriously. Like Harris, seemingly everyone loves the season-one "American Idol" winner, even people you wouldn't expect (including uber-hip indie-rocker Ted Leo). Clarkson has even moved in a country direction of late, touring with Reba McEntire.David Menconi www.newsobserver.com/105/story/1114303.html
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Post by Kal-El on Jun 20, 2008 9:11:41 GMT -5
Don't like that demo at all.
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Post by Focus on Jun 20, 2008 9:18:12 GMT -5
I have a feeling the guy sent the song in for consideration but I don't believe Kelly recorded it. I think it's wishful thinking on his part. The song isn't great, imo, AT ALL.
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Post by K. on Jun 20, 2008 11:23:07 GMT -5
I think it's ok, but too much like the Thankful era for me.
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Post by neally on Jun 20, 2008 12:25:53 GMT -5
Here's an article about Emmylou Harris, with a great mention of Kelly, calling her one of Emmylou's spiritual progeny's.... Harris' spiritual progeny By David Menconi, Staff WriterComment on this story Emmylou Harris first gained notice as duet partner of the late great Gram Parsons, who died in 1973. She has continued to carry Parsons' stylistic flame since then, serving as inspiration to generations of singers straddling rock, folk and country: Alison Krauss -- Fittingly, Krauss' voice played the role of siren in the 2000 movie "O Brother, Where Art Thou?," singing a bewitching seduction song in harmony with Harris and Gillian Welch. Patty Griffin -- Superlative singer/songwriter Harris has long championed, and covered. Harris, Griffin and Shawn Colvin played Chapel Hill last January on a tour dubbed "Three Girls and Their Buddy" (with guitarist Buddy Miller, another Harris associate, currently playing on the Krauss/Robert Plant tour). Beth Orton -- Dusky-voiced English singer whose electronic-influenced folk bears some resemblance to the ambient albums Harris has been making since the mid-1990s. Tres Chicas -- The local trio of Lynn Blakey, Caitlin Cary and Tonya Lamm would be a perfect backup choir for Harris (hint, hint). Harris has also sung with Cary's former Whiskeytown bandmate Ryan Adams. Tift Merritt -- When Harris played on CBS' "Late Show With David Letterman" on June 12, Triangle expatriate Merritt was there as one of her backup singers. Kelly Clarkson -- Seriously. Like Harris, seemingly everyone loves the season-one "American Idol" winner, even people you wouldn't expect (including uber-hip indie-rocker Ted Leo). Clarkson has even moved in a country direction of late, touring with Reba McEntire.David Menconi www.newsobserver.com/105/story/1114303.html Focus, thank you for this article ! What an honour for Kelly to be recognized for her artistry, which I feel is sooooo largely underrated. Sure, she is one of the best contemporary vocalists; however, I have to say that after reading that article, I feel a bit vindicated that my ears are not the only ones which hear Kelly's amazing ability to effectively "paint a picture" or "tell a story" simply with her voice, something that Emmylou Harris is quite famous for. It is a understatement that Kelly is not given enough credit for this, probably because she originated from 'American Idol'. There will always be good vocalists, but to be a top-notch vocalist with such an artistic impact is an extremely rare combination, IMO. Way to go !!! As far as the demo song goes, I am with you on that, Focus. I also have a hard time imagining any record company (especially RCA) allowing any demo from a highly anticipated record to be viewable by all on the net (or maybe this is my wishful thinking in NOT wanting this song on the record, lol)......
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Post by Focus on Jun 20, 2008 12:34:04 GMT -5
I always love reading your posts Neally! The are always so well thought out and articulate. This is a question for all the Grammy experts. If somehow they added "Sober" as a bonus track on the new album, would it be eligible for Grammy consideration?
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Post by ƒreakshow on Jun 20, 2008 13:10:22 GMT -5
I have a feeling the guy sent the song in for consideration but I don't believe Kelly recorded it. I think it's wishful thinking on his part. That's probably true. I think he's just bragging about the fact that he sent one of his songs to a big star like Kelly.
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Post by sunpeach on Jun 20, 2008 14:32:16 GMT -5
No one ever said Kelly wanted to be on top of the world. If she did she would have made a more commercial album. She has stated she doesn't want to be like Madonna. Breakaway was too much for Kelly and although all the fans loved that Era don't expect it to reoccur. 3 hits is more than enough for one album IMO. Well, I do think she expected it to sell much like "Breakaway" even though it was less commercial. I read the interview with her myself where she said an executive told her to her face the album would only sell 600,000 and she laughed, saying "can you believe he said that?" as if that was impossible- and then there was the report that said Kelly's management said there were six (!) hits from MD- ovbiously you don't think there will be six hits if you really think it's not that commerical. Even liking the album, I counted only about 3. Anyway, I don't want to belabor it as it's a touchy subject but I do think Kelly cares about this sort of thing and she will be making sure the next album sells big, even if she has to keep some of her own songs off it.
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Post by K. on Jun 20, 2008 15:40:12 GMT -5
I always love reading your posts Neally! The are always so well thought out and articulate. This is a question for all the Grammy experts. If somehow they added "Sober" as a bonus track on the new album, would it be eligible for Grammy consideration? I think they would have to rerecord it in some way. I don't think they could just submit it again.
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Post by Kal-El on Jun 20, 2008 16:18:32 GMT -5
I think Kelly's new album will be somewhere in the middle in terms of artistry and success. Something like I'm Not Dead - 5-6 million WW, a few nice hits, and a nice concise era. The Breakway era nearly destroyed her, a lot of people don't get that.
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Post by circadian on Jun 20, 2008 16:21:38 GMT -5
Well, I do think she expected it to sell much like "Breakaway" even though it was less commercial. I read the interview with her myself where she said an executive told her to her face the album would only sell 600,000 and she laughed, saying "can you believe he said that?" as if that was impossible- and then there was the report that said Kelly's management said there were six (!) hits from MD- ovbiously you don't think there will be six hits if you really think it's not that commerical. Even liking the album, I counted only about 3. That's not true... well, a part of it is... I think i know which interview you're talking about, but I remember she was talking about BA not about MD... she said that when BA came out, all were thinking it'd be a huge flop, and that it'd only sell about 600k... and in the end, the album sold 6millions. Actually when MD came out she said in several interviews she was aware it wouldn't sell as much as BA, but she was fine with that... About the six hits... i didn't know that, but there were indeed around 6 potential hits in the album, that's a fact... Sober, How I Feel, Maybe, One Minute could have been great single choices... I also think Can I Have a Kiss and maybe DWYT could have worked, maybe those two wouldn't have been massive, bah... who cares, the era was a mess even though it deserved to be better... About the 'Love like you never been hurt' demo, it's not a great song, but it's not that bad neither... it would be a good album track, but i'm sure kelly has far better material for the album cut, so i don't care if the song is left out LOL
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Post by neally on Jun 20, 2008 18:49:09 GMT -5
No one ever said Kelly wanted to be on top of the world. If she did she would have made a more commercial album. She has stated she doesn't want to be like Madonna. Breakaway was too much for Kelly and although all the fans loved that Era don't expect it to reoccur. 3 hits is more than enough for one album IMO. Well, I do think she expected it to sell much like "Breakaway" even though it was less commercial. I read the interview with her myself where she said an executive told her to her face the album would only sell 600,000 and she laughed, saying "can you believe he said that?" as if that was impossible- and then there was the report that said Kelly's management said there were six (!) hits from MD- ovbiously you don't think there will be six hits if you really think it's not that commerical. Even liking the album, I counted only about 3. Anyway, I don't want to belabor it as it's a touchy subject but I do think Kelly cares about this sort of thing and she will be making sure the next album sells big, even if she has to keep some of her own songs off it. Can you provide a link to that article as I recall that Kelly said that about record executives' expectation of 'Breakaway', not 'My December'. I could be wrong a but a link will answer this....
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Post by Revelry on Jun 20, 2008 18:54:04 GMT -5
You're right neally, i remember her saying that RCA expected Breakaway to only sell 600,000 and she went on to say that she was well aware that My December would probably not reach anywhere near the level of success that Breakaway achieved. I believe it was in either Blender or Elle or one of the early interviews she did when MD came out. Not that any of this matters anymore, as i'm sure we're all looking to the future and to a great fourth album.
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