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Post by rockingcountry on Aug 15, 2008 15:15:46 GMT -5
I don't really think being at #30 on R&R after only 4 weeks is "huffing and puffing" its way up the charts. Maybe it's bad by typical Tim standards, but I think a lot of artists would be thrilled to be in that position in just 4 weeks. Absolutely! A lot of artist take 6 weeks (or more) to get into the top 40.
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Post by kw9461 on Aug 15, 2008 16:47:35 GMT -5
Well, it's up to #30, but it hasn't had any really big gaining weeks like we typically see from Tim. It debuted strong on Callout though, and I'm hearing the song quite a bit, so I still think it will make it's way to the T10, it just might take longer than we're used to for Tim.
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Post by Marv on Aug 15, 2008 21:45:24 GMT -5
This is an extremely bad chart performance by the format's #1 chart artist of the past fourteen-plus years; a typical single of his would be in the top 20 after four weeks, and some of those would have skyrocketed into the top ten by then.
Between 1995-2007.......
Missed the top ten once (Drugs Or Jesus).
Missed the top five once (Some Things Never Change).
#1 single of the year four times (according to Bob Kingsley), and tops in the format.
2008 will undoubtedly go down as the worst year of his career as it relates to singles chart performance, thanks to missing the top ten with back-to-back singles for the first time ever, IIRC.
I'm among the very biggest fans of his on this board, as most of you know, but he or someone at Curb Records has botched most of his singles releases since 'My Little Girl' peaked at #3 in late 2006, and that's in spite of 'Last Dollar' hitting #1.
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Post by rockingcountry on Aug 16, 2008 5:36:16 GMT -5
Actually this really reminds me of something Tim would have released 5 or 6 years ago in his prime. I don't know what it is.
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Post by 1faithfan74 on Aug 16, 2008 9:30:04 GMT -5
I really don't think it has anything to do with how good the songs are and not. I think it's more radio.
I'm just glad he doesn't put out the same song over and over.
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Post by Massikur on Aug 16, 2008 10:38:17 GMT -5
I don't think that all hope is lost. "Let It Go" is already doing better than I anticipated, and it will most likely go Top 20, and maybe even Top 10.
Tim's career has slowed down significantly since the release of "My Little Girl," but that could be attributed to Curb's bad judgment more than Tim's. Though there's an obvious lack of material, Tim's third Greatest Hits package is being released October 7th; the track listing is rather dismal, including such 'hits' as "Suspicions" and "Kristofferson," as well as the actual hits "Angry All The Time" and "Last Dollar (Fly Away)" among others. Why Tim would choose to release another GH CD so shortly after the last one was release can only mean one thing IMO: he may be trying to fulfill his commitment to Curb and, after this album drops, leave the label and release his music elsewhere. If that happens, it could mean big things for Tim future music: better material, single choices, and a return to radio and the charts. I wouldn't discount Tim just yet, because I think he still has plenty of hits left in him. ;)
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Post by kw9461 on Aug 16, 2008 12:57:49 GMT -5
I don't think that all hope is lost. "Let It Go" is already doing better than I anticipated, and it will most likely go Top 20, and maybe even Top 10. Tim's career has slowed down significantly since the release of "My Little Girl," but that could be attributed to Curb's bad judgment more than Tim's. Though there's an obvious lack of material, Tim's third Greatest Hits package is being released October 7th; the track listing is rather dismal, including such 'hits' as "Suspicions" and "Kristofferson," as well as the actual hits "Angry All The Time" and "Last Dollar (Fly Away)" among others. Why Tim would choose to release another GH CD so shortly after the last one was release can only mean one thing IMO: he may be trying to fulfill his commitment to Curb and, after this album drops, leave the label and release his music elsewhere. If that happens, it could mean big things for Tim future music: better material, single choices, and a return to radio and the charts. I wouldn't discount Tim just yet, because I think he still has plenty of hits left in him. ;) It was speculated in another thread that the reason for the new GH was because Curb was going through restructuring and didn't want to deal with a new studio album right now. I would really like to see Tim go elsewhere after this GH, but for some reason I just don't see it. Curb has criminally mismanaged his career over the last 4 or 5 years.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 17, 2008 7:00:11 GMT -5
Curb has criminally mismanaged his career the career of every @#*$! artist on their roster over the last 4 or 5 years. Fixed that for you.
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Post by rockingcountry on Aug 17, 2008 7:56:33 GMT -5
Curb has criminally mismanaged his career the career of every @#*$! artist on their roster over the last 4 or 5 years. Fixed that for you. A truer statement has never been spoken.
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Post by pipi on Aug 17, 2008 8:55:32 GMT -5
another GH? lets be honest, all his good songs are already on the first two. If it has no new material then why should I buy it?
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Post by rockingcountry on Aug 17, 2008 9:00:14 GMT -5
another GH? lets be honest, all his good songs are already on the first two. If it has no new material then why should I buy it? You got that right! Nothing can beat his first greatest hits album.
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Post by pipi on Aug 17, 2008 9:49:44 GMT -5
its hard to believe a man who released masterpieces like 'Something Like That' is now releasing such atrocious garbage as this song.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 17, 2008 12:29:09 GMT -5
its hard to believe a man who released masterpieces like 'Something Like That' is now releasing such atrocious garbage as this song. Maybe he's regressing. Ditties such as "Indian Outlaw" and "Down on the Farm", while far from bad, are hardly masterpieces. Even "Not a Moment Too Soon", though also good, wasn't exactly distinctive.
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Post by Marv on Aug 17, 2008 21:33:20 GMT -5
There certainly wasn't a shortage of potentially huge singles from his current CD when it was released; I just feel that he and his label execs have botched the job.
But as I've stated before, 'I've Got Friends That Do' is among the very best songs he's ever recorded, and I still feel that if it had been the follow-up to 'My Little Girl', it would have undoubtedly been a multi-week charttopper, and have made a serious run at being 2007's #1 single.
I felt the same way about releasing 'Blank Sheet Of Paper' as the follow-up to the #1 single 'Back When'; a multi-week stay atop the charts, and a serious run at finishing #1 for all of 2005.
As it stands now, this single will make the top ten having listened to it again on assorted countdown shows this weekend, and better late than never, but this CD should be well over 2,000,000 in sales by now, and that's just not the case.
Either 'Whiskey And You' or 'Train #10' should have been released as the follow-up to 'If You're Reading This', followed by this tune.
'Kristofferson' and 'Suspicions' should have remained album cuts, IMHO.
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Post by zaclord on Aug 17, 2008 22:00:19 GMT -5
^100% agree. "I've Got Friends That Do" screamed HUGE HIT.
and Whiskey And You is my favorite song on the album and it really should have been a single and Train #10 is a great song as well. or even Between The River And Me should have replaced Kristofferson and Suspicions as singles.
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Post by recjus85 on Aug 17, 2008 23:03:32 GMT -5
This song does nothing from me. It's not horrible though.
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Post by Massikur on Aug 18, 2008 10:28:43 GMT -5
^100% agree. "I've Got Friends That Do" screamed HUGE HIT. See, I thought IGFWD was released and just didn't get too far. Around late '06 until early '07 I heard that song at least three times a day at my local station, and they stopped playing it so much when "Last Dollar (Fly Away)" was released. It's one of my absolute favorites from him, too. Any reason for it not being released?
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 18, 2008 13:37:44 GMT -5
^100% agree. "I've Got Friends That Do" screamed HUGE HIT. See, I thought IGFWD was released and just didn't get too far. Around late '06 until early '07 I heard that song at least three times a day at my local station, and they stopped playing it so much when "Last Dollar (Fly Away)" was released. It's one of my absolute favorites from him, too. Any reason for it not being released? He released "I've Got Friends That Do" and "When the Stars Go Blue" at the same time. Radio just latched onto the latter one because apparently some PDs have a sick sense of humor.
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Post by nsfb17 on Aug 18, 2008 14:56:08 GMT -5
'Kristofferson' and 'Suspicions' should have remained album cuts, IMHO. I must be one of the only people here who loves 'Kristofferson' and is glad it was released as a single. It's funny, because my local station usually just plays the songs that are in the top 10 on a continuous basis, but I probably heard 'Kristofferson' on there at least 4 or 5 times a day. I actually thought it was doing really well until I checked out its stats and saw that it was underperforming. I don't care for 'Suspicions' at all, though.
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Post by Marv on Aug 18, 2008 16:39:10 GMT -5
WUSN/Chicago did play 'IGFTD' as a CD track after 'My Little Girl' peaked; Mediabase showed that they played it twice a day or thereabouts before 'Last Dollar' was released.
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Post by zaclord on Aug 18, 2008 20:23:41 GMT -5
ARE YOU KIDDING!?!?
IGFTD and WTSGB were released at the same time? how dumb is that! and radio picked WTSGB over IGFTD!?!? what is wrong with them!!!
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Post by dcowboy77 on Aug 22, 2008 10:31:31 GMT -5
this song is cookin now....its currently the #2 spin gainer of the week.
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Post by rockingcountry on Aug 22, 2008 11:18:51 GMT -5
ARE YOU KIDDING!?!? IGFTD and WTSGB were released at the same time? how dumb is that! and radio picked WTSGB over IGFTD!?!? what is wrong with them!!! I had no idea! Really, really strange.
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Post by meganseabiscuit on Aug 22, 2008 18:37:46 GMT -5
I don't think that all hope is lost. "Let It Go" is already doing better than I anticipated, and it will most likely go Top 20, and maybe even Top 10. Tim's career has slowed down significantly since the release of "My Little Girl," but that could be attributed to Curb's bad judgment more than Tim's. Though there's an obvious lack of material, Tim's third Greatest Hits package is being released October 7th; the track listing is rather dismal, including such 'hits' as "Suspicions" and "Kristofferson," as well as the actual hits "Angry All The Time" and "Last Dollar (Fly Away)" among others. Why Tim would choose to release another GH CD so shortly after the last one was release can only mean one thing IMO: he may be trying to fulfill his commitment to Curb and, after this album drops, leave the label and release his music elsewhere. If that happens, it could mean big things for Tim future music: better material, single choices, and a return to radio and the charts. I wouldn't discount Tim just yet, because I think he still has plenty of hits left in him. ;) Tim is not choosing to do anything, he has no part in the release of this GH album just like all the other double CD packs Curb is releasing. There is one goal Curb has, to try to squeeze some more money off his name and prevent him from releasing his new studio album that will be his last on his contract. He has ONE studio album left on his contract and it would of been out this fall if Curb allowed it to be released.
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Post by meganseabiscuit on Aug 22, 2008 18:41:51 GMT -5
Another fact about I've Got Friends That Do, it was not released as a single, Tim had an interview with Gerry at a Nashville station and sliiped him a CD of the song and a couple other stations like WUSN. He wanted the song as a single and was hoping by slipping the song to a few radio people he could force the issue. Curb went right ahead and released When The Stars Go Blue and killed the chances for the song Tim wanted as the first single.
Tim in his 2006 tour played I've Got Friends That Do in concert and even mentioned that it was one of his favorite songs he had ever recorded and was hoping it would of been a single.
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Post by Marv on Aug 22, 2008 18:58:37 GMT -5
I've read that same story involving Tim and Gerry House of WSIX elsewhere as well as on thi board, and I have no reason not to believe it.
Former WUSN/Chicago PD Mike Peterson did start playing the song (IGFTD) after 'My Little Girl' peaked, but Curb released 'Last Dollar' as opposed to either 'Train #10', 'Whiskey And You', or 'Between The River And Me' instead.
Those three songs received the most praise and votes as must-release singles on this board when 'Let It Go' was released.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Aug 23, 2008 2:14:56 GMT -5
Well can anyone see Curb milking out single #6 and having it be Train #10? I honestly wouldn't mind.
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Post by rockingcountry on Aug 23, 2008 7:24:31 GMT -5
Well can anyone see Curb milking out single #6 and having it be Train #10? I honestly wouldn't mind. Hmm. I really don't see that happening. Maybe if "Let it Go" is a huge hit. Otherwise I think no.
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Post by Marv on Aug 24, 2008 22:30:53 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that this will be the final single from 'Let It Go', and it appears to be headed straight to the top.
It's somewhat unbelievable for me to say this after the underwhelming chart performances of his last two singles, but the table is set for this to get into the top ten quite easily.
Hey, Toby Keith's current single has streaked into the top ten after his two previous tunes crawled up the charts, so why not?
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Post by ClevelandRox on Aug 24, 2008 23:18:24 GMT -5
Haha well this is 10x better than the previous two singles. And Train #10 is ten times better than this. Doing math, would that make Train #10 one hundred times better than Suspicions and Kristofferson?
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