GiggaWho
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Post by GiggaWho on May 14, 2007 21:22:41 GMT -5
This isn't a Clay thread. Please refrain from discussing Clay any further in here and DOUBLE please refrain from making any comparisons between the two. Obviously, fans from both sides can't handle it. A.k.a. drop the fan wars now. Obviously we're going to have to repeat ourselves here.
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saoirse
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Post by saoirse on May 14, 2007 21:44:11 GMT -5
Kelly probably should have swallowed her pride and gone Clive's way for this CD. Then if it the CD was huge, she may have been able to have some more freedom artistically for the next CD. I blame her advisors.
Even if she never has another hit single, she's still amassed a good number of hits, so she can always fall back on that when she tours. There's always Branson.
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pyrates
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Post by pyrates on May 14, 2007 21:50:19 GMT -5
Kelly probably should have swallowed her pride and gone Clive's way for this CD. Then if it the CD was huge, she may have been able to have some more freedom artistically for the next CD. I blame her advisors. Uh, that's what Breakaway was. A lot of BA was Kelly's but at the same time, there are several "compromise" songs on there. (Not to mention Thankful.) I think it's reasonable to want more artistic freedom after having one fairly well selling debut album and one massive WW smash album.
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Post by pyrates on May 14, 2007 21:56:31 GMT -5
Oh good God, the label wanted Kelly to cover a Lindsay Lohan song!!! ??? Kelly Clarkson makes a standsKelly Clarkson's latest album has been finished since January, but will not be released until July 24th. And Kelly seems far from impressed with her record label. Some gossip sites have been reporting that there has been some tension between the former American Idol and label mogul, Clive Davis on what the album should sound like. MTV Radio caught up with Kelly earlier in the week and here's what she had to say. "Everybody always wants me to go in different directions. Obviously they're a record label so they need to sell records.They want the formula writers and the formula producers that do everybody else's stuff, and while I love some of those people... and I don't mind working with that...I just don't like working with someone that gives you a song and is like, 'Oh, I wrote this for you.' But you find out that they've given it to every other artist and they turned it down, you know?" Kelly might've been feeling pressure from her label, but she didn't back down. "My label literally sent me a Lindsay Lohan track from her last album and wanted me to record it for my new album. And while I like Lindsay Lohan, like I'm cool with her and I think she sings the song well... it's already been on an album. I don't care what pop star it is."Clarkson was kind of offended by the whole situation. "They were just sending me stuff that was like almost insulting. I'm like, 'You can't even find new songs?" "You don't want me to write my album but you're sending me hand me downs?' So, I ended up writing the entire thing with the people that I write well with." You go girl! www.mtv.tv/dynamo/shells/news.jhtml?article=100137934
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Post by Jennifa on May 14, 2007 21:57:53 GMT -5
go GIRL
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kellyfan1232
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Post by kellyfan1232 on May 14, 2007 21:58:00 GMT -5
They suck! Go Kelly!
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Post by justfloating on May 14, 2007 22:00:00 GMT -5
i have even more respect for her
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Post by muscleclub on May 14, 2007 22:02:36 GMT -5
i have even more respect for her ... and I think she will end up selling HUGE on the 1st week of release! Get them Kelly!
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pyrates
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Post by pyrates on May 14, 2007 22:12:03 GMT -5
I have to admit, what with all these rumors flying around, that I've doubted Kelly. And wondered if maybe RCA/Clive was right. But then I read things like that, and all I can say is, "F*ck RCA, do your thing Kelly!!!" A godd**n Lindsay Lohan cover?? What's next Paris Hilton?
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Jamie
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Post by Jamie on May 14, 2007 22:18:12 GMT -5
I have to admit, what with all these rumors flying around, that I've doubted Kelly. And wondered if maybe RCA/Clive was right. But then I read things like that, and all I can say is, "F*ck RCA, do your thing Kelly!!!" A godd**n Lindsay Lohan cover?? What's next Paris Hilton? I know, it's crazy. We've heard so many things about how her label feels, but then you look at their track record with Miss Independent and Because of You, and now this? I think the more negative things we heard about the album from RCA-related groups the better it will be.
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Post by K. on May 14, 2007 22:18:35 GMT -5
I do kinda want to know what the Lohan song was, though, now.
I kind of wish Kelly was still working with the BA people, but that's because I'm reluctant for artists I REALLY like to change. I personally can't really imagine any other Kelly "sound" I would like better, so expiramentation makes me nervous. But she should do what she wants, not what I want, I'm enough of a fan to allow for that!
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Post by Swindle on May 14, 2007 22:19:43 GMT -5
We're talking about a lady who has sold 10+ million world wide, won grammies, and the best RCA can come up is some songs Lindsey Lohan already sang? If shadowy people are going to try to put a negative spin on this song and MD, Kelly might as well tell her side of the story as well.
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Post by justfloating on May 14, 2007 22:23:44 GMT -5
she needs to switch labels when her contract is up because obviously she is bigger than RCA. i mean that respectfully, but she is not going to be their puppet clearly. they want someone marketable who can sing and who will do what they want and she is not that person anymore.
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Post by tortuga on May 14, 2007 22:27:32 GMT -5
"Confessions of A Broken Heart" would've been better if sung by Kelly.
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Post by Callmeatomic on May 14, 2007 22:37:48 GMT -5
A Lindsay Lohan song? My God... ....at the same time, all this news makes it seem like she is slagging off her record company, not making a great impression on your bosses i'm sure.....even if they do sound awful.
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pyrates
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Post by pyrates on May 14, 2007 22:46:26 GMT -5
A Lindsay Lohan song? My God... ....at the same time, all this news makes it seem like she is slagging off her record company, not making a great impression on your bosses i'm sure.....even if they do sound awful. IMO, at this point, I think what Kelly's doing is damage control. I'm completely Kelly's bitch, but all the rumors had even me doubting her. So I think it's only fair that she gets her side of the story told in the media.
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Post by ruby1 on May 14, 2007 22:51:22 GMT -5
wat rumors ?? ?
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Post by missclarkson on May 14, 2007 23:05:24 GMT -5
wow this kelly vs RCA/clive things are blowing up everywhere. i never really see kelly talk in a slightly negative way about others. but now she started to get more honest, things must have been really bad behind the scene, and unfortunately it got spread to public.
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Post by When I Ruled the World on May 14, 2007 23:11:12 GMT -5
missclarkson,
I think it's good to hear Kelly's side. I have faith the album won't suck, and it makes me want to support her all the more when I hear that RCA wanted her to take second rate songs.
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Post by OUcultjam on May 14, 2007 23:44:06 GMT -5
I'm so glad Kelly has some integrity and will fight to keep her own sound and record HER songs. RCA spread some negative gossip (intentionally or not) that Kelly's been asked about in almost every interview. My guess is that something else happened that upset her and MTV Radio happened to catch her for an interview immediately afterwards. Especially after the RCA memo that appeared today, I'm glad to hear from Kelly what RCA had in mind for the album, which sounds pathetic. It's gonna be hard to look at Clive on Idol Tuesday night and not want to spit at the TV.
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Post by dperkins on May 14, 2007 23:59:39 GMT -5
Maybe you could be a little nice and more understanding that people can misunderstand things! Mikey obviously missunderstood, no reason to jump on his s**t for it. And you wonder why people bash Clay fans? Maybe you should be nicer and not give them such a bad name. So you wrongly accuse Clay fans of making up s**t just for the hell of it, when there was absolutely nothing to suggest it came from a Clay board, and then Clay fans are the ones who should be nicer just because we don't like to be falsely accused? Here's a clue. When you falsely accuse people of something and then attack and insult them when they show your accusations were false, then you're the one who needs to learn how to be nice. No, but people post at other boards and Mikey could have been told by some hater that it was a Clay fan. He said he was sorry for the misunderstanding. These fan wars just need to stop cause they are rediculous. I mean are these idol fan wars just because people want their favorite idol to be the most successful? Since when have they been competition? They appeal to like completely different audiences. Well as of lately anyways. I mean honestly all these people who bring up random idols in another idols thread seriously need to get over themselves. Everyone should just be happy their favorite idol is seeing success instead of trying to bring down someone else's favorite. I mean you wouldn't like them to do it to you so why do it to them? I am not pointing the finger at you since I don't really ever see you post, I am just stating a problem that has been going on and needs to stop. These idol fan wars are rediculous and stupid. People need to realize that. FYI, I never "attacked" you or made accusations. I just said you need to be nicer cause you don't know Mikey just randomly decided to point the finger at Clay fans. I guess its one of those things where you need to know the poster to know what they really mean and I Mikey isn't one to start shit in a thread and bring down other idols. So thats why I defended him.
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Post by SILENCE on May 15, 2007 0:01:53 GMT -5
I disagree 100%. Other people have swallowed not only their pride but their artistic vision for their records and look what happens to them! Kelly NEEDS to stand her ground and fight for the material she wants. She's right, she's the one who at the end of the day has to sing these songs!
and to try to pass of a LinLo song to her? HOLY F*CK that's just retarded! Seriously, the girl is a grammy freakin winner for pity sake! She won a SONG WRITERS song of the year award!!! wtf are they looking for?
I personally think Clives major problem with Kelly is that he wanted NOTHING to do with AI that first season and it just twists his balls that Kelly's come out and is actually more successful than some of the artists that are his pets.
I just think all this media attention is gonna cause people to run, not walk, to the store to buy this album. Curiousity is gonna be so high to see what Clive seemingly hated SO much that I think Kelly's first week sales could be amazing! I'm a huge fan and I'm dying to hear what these songs sound like.....
I am glad that Kelly's not ignoring all this talk. She did that with the whole "Kelly's ungrateful" to Idol stink last year and look where that got her! She's forever been branded as the one AI contestant who wanted to get away when in fact she's never once said anything of the sort! By speaking out and telling the truth about what's really happened in the past, like Clive HATING two of her bigggest songs, and them trying to give her hand-me-down songs from a girl who barely sold a million CDs and who can't even really sing, it just shows that kelly's the one with the spot on instincts here. IF she's fought for every album and every single, then that should tell us that My December will be amazing!
I think of Clive and others had their way, Kelly would've quietly faded into the woodwork following a mild hit from Thankful and that would've been that. I think they really wanted to be able to forget about Kelly, act like season 1 and 2 never happened. But there are artists from those seasons that won't just go quitely into the night...sorry about your luck Clive... ya old fart!
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Post by Bluesy on May 15, 2007 0:30:20 GMT -5
After hearing about how RCA wanted Kelly to do a LinLo cover, I now hope 'Never Again' takes off and that Kelly's album is the biggest selling CD of the year. I'm not a big fan of 'Never Again,' but it certainly is better than a lot of songs out there right now. The problem with record companies is that they treat their artists -- all their artists -- like cash cows to be milked for every dime and then tossed aside like yesterday's trash. All music fans -- no matter who your favorites are -- should be outraged at how the record companies suck up all the profit from CD's, quite literally leaving nothing for the artist. The real money for the artists is in touring. It's your money, after all. You are the music-buying public. When you pay for a single download or a CD, your intention is to enjoy, and mabe support an artist you like. What label produces the music has no impact on your choice of music. For those who don't know the truth about the record industry, here is a link to a famous speech by Courtney Love to the Digital Hollywood online entertainment conference, given in New York on May 16, 2000. Granted, the woman is now messed up with drugs and booze, but this speech has never been refuted. It's famous because it's the truth, and she had the courage to say it straight to the suits' faces. You can easily find many links to the transcript and/or stories about this speech by Googling 'Courtney Love speech to record industry.' This link is from the online mainstream news magazine, Salon.com: archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/If you are a real music fan, then whether or not you like Kelly or this song, you should be cheering her on. Whether or not you realize it, she is fighting to give you, the music buying public, a wider range of music than the commercial forumla stuff that has been shoved down our throats for way too long.
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Post by dionysus on May 15, 2007 1:42:19 GMT -5
Mediabase Kelly Clarkson , Never Again
Date / Spins To Date / Aud.(M) May 13/ 20,108 / 29.164 May 12/ 19,254 / 28.964 May 11/ 18,424 / 28.985 May 10/ 17,659 / 29.072 May 9 / 16,842 / 28.956 May 8 / 15,998 / 28.666 May 7 / 15,011 / 27.982
May 6 / 14,432 / 28.010 May 5 / 13,726 / 27.630 May 4 / 12,928 / 27.062 May 3 / 12,195 / 26.610 May 2 / 11,428 / 26.347 May 1 / 10,645 / 25.753 Apr 30 / 9,876 / 25.284
Apr 29 / 9,167 / 30.018 Apr 28 / 8,418 / 28.743 Apr 27 / 7,643 / 27.950 Apr 26 / 7,004 / 27.365 Apr 25 / 6,312 / 26.934 Apr 24 / 5,625 / 26.325 Apr 23 / 4,991 / 25.702 Apr 22 / 4,387 / 25.455 Apr 21 / 3,908 / 24.634
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Post by mugshot on May 15, 2007 2:30:11 GMT -5
Oh good God, the label wanted Kelly to cover a Lindsay Lohan song!!! ??? Kelly Clarkson makes a standsKelly Clarkson's latest album has been finished since January, but will not be released until July 24th. And Kelly seems far from impressed with her record label. Some gossip sites have been reporting that there has been some tension between the former American Idol and label mogul, Clive Davis on what the album should sound like. MTV Radio caught up with Kelly earlier in the week and here's what she had to say. "Everybody always wants me to go in different directions. Obviously they're a record label so they need to sell records.They want the formula writers and the formula producers that do everybody else's stuff, and while I love some of those people... and I don't mind working with that...I just don't like working with someone that gives you a song and is like, 'Oh, I wrote this for you.' But you find out that they've given it to every other artist and they turned it down, you know?" Kelly might've been feeling pressure from her label, but she didn't back down. "My label literally sent me a Lindsay Lohan track from her last album and wanted me to record it for my new album. And while I like Lindsay Lohan, like I'm cool with her and I think she sings the song well... it's already been on an album. I don't care what pop star it is."Clarkson was kind of offended by the whole situation. "They were just sending me stuff that was like almost insulting. I'm like, 'You can't even find new songs?" "You don't want me to write my album but you're sending me hand me downs?' So, I ended up writing the entire thing with the people that I write well with." You go girl! www.mtv.tv/dynamo/shells/news.jhtml?article=100137934 OMG lol. That's so evil. Clive should be shot for that. I would be so insulted if I were Kelly. Its like being told to redo Hilary's Duff's "Wake Up'. No wonder she's pissed. I wonder what song it was. "I live for the day", maybe?
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Post by polly on May 15, 2007 4:43:32 GMT -5
She was given a song sung by another artist? And a Lindsay Lohen song at that? Go Kelly. Screw RCA. The wankers.
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missclarkson
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Post by missclarkson on May 15, 2007 5:58:22 GMT -5
"Confessions of A Broken Heart" would've been better if sung by Kelly. which also goes for ..um .. all lindsay lohan songs from her album lol i'd be LMAO if they actually gave confession of the broken heart to kelly to be her BOY part 2 (wait i thought they didnt even like original BOY which is becoming reba first single btw)
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Post by dperkins on May 15, 2007 6:10:14 GMT -5
22 21 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2007 RCA/RMG 3508 3410 98 20.176
-3 spins! :( +98 in the bullet though.
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Post by Felicia on May 15, 2007 6:47:56 GMT -5
ROFL! RCA is so evil wanting Kelly to record a LiLo song.
The album would either be fantastic but not radio-friendly like 'Oral Fixation vol. 2' or would be a total shitfest. I choose to believe it's the first option.
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Post by mugshot on May 15, 2007 6:55:22 GMT -5
^I agree. The album will be good but its gonna lack radio-friendly tracks.
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