Kelly Clarkson 'Never Again' (Now on iTunes!)

[Haley]

realnewlight said:

I think it would be a smart move on RCA's part (if they actually wanna help this song, which i guess we don't know for sure at this point...) to push the remix heavily starting this week. If she does perform Never Again on the Idol finale, that will be huge, and that combined with a new version of the song being pushed, could at least stabalize the song for a while maybe.

Plus, the remix is just more pop radio friendly IMO.

Good idea. I remember a few years back my station played a remix of one of Kelly's songs a LOT...it wasn't even good but I like the remixes of Never Again much more.

[orchbellzbab]

Can I Have A Kiss? is currently being tested on promosquad!!! This is the song that apparently every record exec who heard it has raved about, and kelly has said its her favorite song she's ever written besides "Sober"

[orchbellzbab]

Lyrics from the clip:
Excuse me for this, I just want a kiss,
I just wanna know what it feels like to touch
Something so pure, something I'm so sure of,
What it feels like to stand outside your door...
I'm unworthy, I can see you above me,
but I can be lovely, if given the chance

Don't move, I wanna remember you just like this,
don't move, it's only a breath or two between our lips

I know why you left, I can't blame you myself,
Must be hard living with ghosts in such an empty shell,
I tried to warn you, been a mess since you've known me
I can't promise forever, but I'm working on it,
If I can't hold you, can I give you a kiss?
Can I have a kiss?

www.sendspace.com/file/5kj5vw

[SILENCE]

I guess I'm not sure which chart is being used to measure success?

I mean on the Pop 100 chart it shows she's at #14 this week (down from 12) but it says her peak position was #5

www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=Pop+100&pageNumber=Top+11-50&g=Singles

doesn't that mean she has another TOP 5 single to her credit according to billboard?

She's also #3 on hot digital tracks up from #5 last week

www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=Hot+Digital+Tracks

#15 on BB Hot 100 down from #12 last week peak #8

www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=The+Billboard+Hot+100&pageNumber=Top+11-50&g=Singles

so while this song may in fact not have the same "shelf life" as all of Kelly's prior singles from Breakaway, I'd say it's not done too shabby for a song that's only been out for 4 weeks. It's already outpeaked Stupid Girls (#14), Deja Vu (#10), and Wind it Up(#7) on the Pop 100 chart....

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Personally, I don't like to throw the label "flop" around easily. I'm one of the people that consider 'Dirrty' to be one of Christina's biggest hits when you look behond the pop chart peak. It did have an extended life when it looked like it would plunge and eventually went recurrent and basically the video was one of the most well known at the time it was current. I think the song did the job it was meant to do and more.
However, when it comes to Kelly, coming off of 5 HUGE Top 5 hits, this song didn't make the Top 20 on pop and while it did go Top 10 on the Hot 100, it is having no longevity. It's too soon yet but based on how things are looking, I would personally label this song a flop. And I'm not a hater. It's going to be a hit for me as it is Kelly's second Top 10 hit on my chart second only to 'Since U Been Gone' and I plan on getting her album but looking at the big picture, I think this song is definately on the borderline of a flop.

[missclarkson]

myreflection said:

I guess I'm not sure which chart is being used to measure success?

I mean on the Pop 100 chart it shows she's at #14 this week (down from 12) but it says her peak position was #5

www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=Pop+100&pageNumber=Top+11-50&g=Singles

doesn't that mean she has another TOP 5 single to her credit according to billboard?

She's also #3 on hot digital tracks up from #5 last week

www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=Hot+Digital+Tracks

#15 on BB Hot 100 down from #12 last week peak #8

www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=The+Billboard+Hot+100&pageNumber=Top+11-50&g=Singles

so while this song may in fact not have the same "shelf life" as all of Kelly's prior singles from Breakaway, I'd say it's not done too shabby for a song that's only been out for 4 weeks. It's already outpeaked Stupid Girls (#14), Deja Vu (#10), and Wind it Up(#7) on the Pop 100 chart....

i was talking about NA as a flop airplay wise.
pop100, hot100 all have digital element in there, so it's not accurate meassure for airplay.
all those other songs u mentioned were also flop on top 40. (top 40 airplay)

[Focus]

Wow, that was weird. One second there was a thread for Kelly's song Can I have a Kiss. I went to respond to it and it said that thread no longer exists. There were 11 responses to the thread. Weird. Don't they usually just lock threads, rather than make them go poof?

[Jennifa]

-400

BOMB. Next single plz.

[missclarkson]

regency said:

Wow, that was weird. One second there was a thread for Kelly's song Can I have a Kiss. I went to respond to it and it said that thread no longer exists. There were 11 responses to the thread. Weird. Don't they usually just lock threads, rather than make them go poof?

it's on the non single forum mama...

[Focus]

Thanks missclarkson. They must have moved it from here to there while I was reponding. I couldn't figure out what the hell was going on..lol.

[un4gitible]

So, basically what you are saying missclarkson is - the measure of a success of a song is how many spins radio gives it. The critics don't matter. How much the average person (the ones who just listen to radio and buy cds but don't necessarily fill out music survey's or call and request songs) likes a song doesn't matter. How many digital sales a song gets (cuz you can't "spam" digital like you can physical) doesn't matter.

It's all about the radio spins (even if the spins are high, but sales are not, ala Kelis Milkshake and quite a few others that have done well on radio but not so much in sales of cd's) in determining if a song is a success or not?

Personally I think that if a song, no matter where it peaks, if it can sell a large amount of downloads and/or cd's, that song is a "success". That's just my measurement (and I'd say Kelly's digital sales have been pretty successful for this song - no not SUBG numbers, duh, but successful nonethless). I know it's all subjective and everyone's critieria is different and that's cool too haha

Just to clarify, I know that the higher the song goes on radio, the better chance at sales success but they don't ALWAYS go hand in hand. There have been quite a few songs that have done great on radio but in sales? Not so much.

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

I have to agree with you guys about this album being a lose lose situation for Kelly either way. If she would've gone the safe route i know for sure people would've ripped her apart so well. But you know what, i sort of predicted a backlash would happen. When someone or something becomes that successful, there is nowhere to go but down. So while the Kelly fans were celebrating during the 'Breakaway' era for the huge amounts of success, i was one of the few who was actually worried, because from that point onwards, nothing will match the success of that era and no matter what she did next would be a flop. I knew this was coming.

The same thing is going to happen to Mariah Carey and Usher....their next records will be huge disapointments because now they have nowhere to go but down. Justin Timberlake too. Actually i was thinking about Justin today. How will he ever top 'SexyBack'? The answer to this is he never will. That's why i'm glad my favorite artist stays consistent in her success. When Christina is out, she is NEVER the most successful from her era. She always plays runner up. She was runner up to Britney during her debut, and runner up to Beyonce during her second album. In a way it works out better for her in the long run. Staying in second or third for 10 years is better than being #1 for one year and then falling down the years after.

[Focus]

orchbellzbab said:

Can I Have A Kiss? is currently being tested on promosquad!!! This is the song that apparently every record exec who heard it has raved about, and kelly has said its her favorite song she's ever written besides "Sober"

Where did you hear that about the record exec's? I hadn't heard that before.

[un4gitible]

So while the Kelly fans were celebrating during the 'Breakaway' era for the huge amounts of success, i was one of the few who was actually worried, because from that point onwards, nothing will match the success of that era and no matter what she did next would be a flop. I knew this was coming.

See, this is what I don't get - anything less than 5.8M is a flop? So if she sells 5M of My December (or even 4M) it's considered a flop? ???

I think there's a LOT of in-between between the success of Breakaway and a Flop. ALOT.

It's kind of depressing to think that if an artist has a huge, huge selling cd no matter how well they do subsequently, it's just not worth it cuz they are bound not to reach that success and thusly be labeled a FLOP in some minds.

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

No no, if her new album gets to 5 million in the states, that would be a mega hit. But i meant is that it WON'T. Anything under 2 million will be labeled a flop for her. And these aren't my standards, i just mean the publics standards.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

FLOPTASTIC!!!! I feel like a FLOPPING HIYEENA!!!!

[Jennifa]

legendtina1 said:

I have to agree with you guys about this album being a lose lose situation for Kelly either way. If she would've gone the safe route i know for sure people would've ripped her apart so well. But you know what, i sort of predicted a backlash would happen. When someone or something becomes that successful, there is nowhere to go but down. So while the Kelly fans were celebrating during the 'Breakaway' era for the huge amounts of success, i was one of the few who was actually worried, because from that point onwards, nothing will match the success of that era and no matter what she did next would be a flop. I knew this was coming.

The same thing is going to happen to Mariah Carey and Usher....their next records will be huge disapointments because now they have nowhere to go but down. Justin Timberlake too. Actually i was thinking about Justin today. How will he ever top 'SexyBack'? The answer to this is he never will. That's why i'm glad my favorite artist stays consistent in her success. When Christina is out, she is NEVER the most successful from her era. She always plays runner up. She was runner up to Britney during her debut, and runner up to Beyonce during her second album. In a way it works out better for her in the long run. Staying in second or third for 10 years is better than being #1 for one year and then falling down the years after.

Too bad Yolanda continuously beats out Crustina. Year after year!

[GiggaWho]

Crustina? Not necessary. FLOPTASTIC!!!!? Not necessary. You both know better.

[un4gitible]

legendtina1 said:

No no, if her new album gets to 5 million in the states, that would be a mega hit. But i meant is that it WON'T. Anything under 2 million will be labeled a flop for her. And these aren't my standards, i just mean the publics standards.

OK, thanks for clarifying cuz that's not what you said (or how it read anywho). Quote: nothing will match the success of that era and no matter what she did next would be a flop.

Call me optomistic but I don't see 2M as being out of her reach with My December. I don't think it's a given, but I don't think it's a NO WAY either.

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

jennifer said:

legendtina1 said:

I have to agree with you guys about this album being a lose lose situation for Kelly either way. If she would've gone the safe route i know for sure people would've ripped her apart so well. But you know what, i sort of predicted a backlash would happen. When someone or something becomes that successful, there is nowhere to go but down. So while the Kelly fans were celebrating during the 'Breakaway' era for the huge amounts of success, i was one of the few who was actually worried, because from that point onwards, nothing will match the success of that era and no matter what she did next would be a flop. I knew this was coming.

The same thing is going to happen to Mariah Carey and Usher....their next records will be huge disapointments because now they have nowhere to go but down. Justin Timberlake too. Actually i was thinking about Justin today. How will he ever top 'SexyBack'? The answer to this is he never will. That's why i'm glad my favorite artist stays consistent in her success. When Christina is out, she is NEVER the most successful from her era. She always plays runner up. She was runner up to Britney during her debut, and runner up to Beyonce during her second album. In a way it works out better for her in the long run. Staying in second or third for 10 years is better than being #1 for one year and then falling down the years after.

Too bad Yolanda continuously beats out Crustina. Year after year!

Really?

Dangerously In Love-7 million
Stripped-10 million

B'Day-4.8 million
B2B-4 million

Christina is still winning this race.

Beyonce might've outsold Christina in the US by a small margin, but worlwide, Christina craps on her.

[justfloating]

How is this about comparing two artists who have nothing to do with this thread?
Beyonce and Christina have what do with Never Again?

Anyways, she better perform this on AI, although Im sticking to my guns and not watching that show anymore, i will look forward to seeing her on Youtube!

[Jennifa]

legendtina1 said:

jennifer said:

Too bad Yolanda continuously beats out Crustina. Year after year!

Really?

Dangerously In Love-7 million
Stripped-10 million

B'Day-4.8 million
B2B-4 million

Christina is still winning this race.

Beyonce might've outsold Christina in the US by a small margin, but worlwide, Christina craps on her.

Don't inflate #s heffa.

DIL did 8M, Stripped did 9.5M (both confirmed by their labels)

And B2B is at 3.9M, BDay at 4.8M

By the end of this era, Beyonce wll be ahead WW and she already is ahead in the US BY FAR.

Nice try.

[pyrates]

Uh, could we get back to Kelly?

I love the clip I heard of CIHAK, I also love NA, and "Maybe" is my favorite Kelly song. NA is obviously not doing very well on Pop radio, and I honestly can't imagine CIHAK or Maybe doing great on Pop radio either. (AC or Hot AC maybe.) But, at this point, I don't care, I hope it does well, the album obviously means a lot to Kelly, but so far the music from MD has been great and that's really the main priority for me. I'm not a fan of Kelly or any artist because they sell millions of albums and gets millions of spins on radio. I'm a fan because of their music. And so far Kelly hasn't let me down, I think I'm really going to enjoy this album. Great album sales will only be icing on the cake for me. JMO. :)

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

jennifer said:

legendtina1 said:

Really?

Dangerously In Love-7 million
Stripped-10 million

B'Day-4.8 million
B2B-4 million

Christina is still winning this race.

Beyonce might've outsold Christina in the US by a small margin, but worlwide, Christina craps on her.

Don't inflate #s heffa.

DIL did 8M, Stripped did 9.5M (both confirmed by their labels)

And B2B is at 3.9M, BDay at 4.8M

By the end of this era, Beyonce wll be ahead WW and she already is ahead in the US BY FAR.

Nice try.

Oh, i'm sorry for inflating by 100,000 copies.

Stripped is at 10 million worlwide. I'll even break it down for you

Us: 4.1 million
UK: 1.9 milliom
rest of europe: 1 million
Asia: 1 million
Australia, Canada, Mexico: 500,000 each (1.5 million)
Rest of the world: 500,000 copies

DIL is at 8 million? Really? Who is your source? Mathew Knowles? Anywho...even if i give Beyonce that extra million, she's still not caught up.

Christina-10 +4=14 million
Beyonce-8+5=13 million

Lets be realistic, 'B'Day' isn't going to sell another million, and neither will B2B. Christina wins this...sorry.

[missclarkson]

un4gitible said:

So, basically what you are saying missclarkson is - the measure of a success of a song is how many spins radio gives it. The critics don't matter. How much the average person (the ones who just listen to radio and buy cds but don't necessarily fill out music survey's or call and request songs) likes a song doesn't matter. How many digital sales a song gets (cuz you can't "spam" digital like you can physical) doesn't matter.

It's all about the radio spins (even if the spins are high, but sales are not, ala Kelis Milkshake and quite a few others that have done well on radio but not so much in sales of cd's) in determining if a song is a success or not?

Personally I think that if a song, no matter where it peaks, if it can sell a large amount of downloads and/or cd's, that song is a "success". That's just my measurement (and I'd say Kelly's digital sales have been pretty successful for this song - no not SUBG numbers, duh, but successful nonethless). I know it's all subjective and everyone's critieria is different and that's cool too haha

Just to clarify, I know that the higher the song goes on radio, the better chance at sales success but they don't ALWAYS go hand in hand. There have been quite a few songs that have done great on radio but in sales? Not so much.

what?? lol
the only thing i tried to say was that NA is an airplay flop.
i didnt say anything about digital success, i didnt say anything about radiio airplay-CD sales relationship. NA is an airplay flop period. no need to touch other area to make NA look better cuz we were talking about its top 40 airplay.
im a hardcore kelly fans, but u gotta face the reality, when it's a flop, it's a flop (again airplay wise) ... lets not become agulera fans with a million excuses and denial.

lol at agulera/beyonce war .... beyonce is killing agulera .. as simple as that

[Jennifa]

legendtina1 said:

jennifer said:

Don't inflate #s heffa.

DIL did 8M, Stripped did 9.5M (both confirmed by their labels)

And B2B is at 3.9M, BDay at 4.8M

By the end of this era, Beyonce wll be ahead WW and she already is ahead in the US BY FAR.

Nice try.

Oh, i'm sorry for inflating by 100,000 copies.

Stripped is at 10 million worlwide. Everyone knows this. DIL is at 8 million? Really? Who is your source? Mathew Knowles? Anywho...even if i give Beyonce that extra million, she's still not caught up.

Christina-10 +4=14 million
Beyonce-8+5=13 million

Lets be realistic, 'B'Day' isn't going to sell another million, and neither will B2B. Christina wins this...sorry.

BDay will sell another million. Its sitll doing 90k+ weekly. And she is releasing another single unlike Christina who has wrapped the era up. At the end of these eras, they'll be tied or Yolanda will be slightly ahead. And next time, she'll take the lead.

[GiggaWho]

This is neither the Christina nor the Beyonce thread. Take it elsewhere. Discuss "Never Again", please.

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

jennifer said:

legendtina1 said:

Oh, i'm sorry for inflating by 100,000 copies.

Stripped is at 10 million worlwide. Everyone knows this. DIL is at 8 million? Really? Who is your source? Mathew Knowles? Anywho...even if i give Beyonce that extra million, she's still not caught up.

Christina-10 +4=14 million
Beyonce-8+5=13 million

Lets be realistic, 'B'Day' isn't going to sell another million, and neither will B2B. Christina wins this...sorry.

BDay will sell another million. Its sitll doing 90k+ weekly. And she is releasing another single unlike Christina who has wrapped the era up. At the end of these eras, they'll be tied or Yolanda will be slightly ahead. And next time, she'll take the lead.

Well it hasn't happened yet, so don't make it seem like it already has.

[Love Plastic Love]

We are discussing Beyonce and Christina...again...in a Kelly thread?! Jesus people, they are great artists, but every thread does not need to be about them!

[MOWE]

legendtina1 said:

I have to agree with you guys about this album being a lose lose situation for Kelly either way. If she would've gone the safe route i know for sure people would've ripped her apart so well.

The same thing is going to happen to Mariah Carey and Usher....their next records will be huge disapointments because now they have nowhere to go but down. Justin Timberlake too. Actually i was thinking about Justin today. How will he ever top 'SexyBack'? The answer to this is he never will.

I have to disagree with this logic. While I do think that SOME people would have been disappointed if Kelly 'played it safe' with an album that sounded a lot like her last one, I don't think it was a lose-lose situation. Sure, some people would have been disappointed, but you can't please everyone no matter what album you make. That goes for any artist. If she played it safe or released an album that was a LITTLE edgier I think she would have been successful. (And hey, the album isn't even out yet, so there is still hope for this era to be successful anyway.)

Also, you mentioned a bunch of other artists who've been on top and then come crashing down. It doesn't seem to me that that always happens. There have been stars who have had lots of success even after a smash era, such as Madonna, Bon Jovi, etc.