Kelly Clarkson 'Never Again' (Now on iTunes!)

[popmusicaddict]

missclarkson said:

wolfpack said:

plz..she'll do atleast 500,000

no way. with subg part 2 she would have, but not with NA as the first single. no way.

People are gonna want to see what all the fuss is about, I'm betting even with a super radio friendly song she woulda pulled in the same numbers regardless, maybe less - people want to buy music that's different, save the same sounding stuff for Greatest Hits. Anyway regardless if she woulda released a Subg part 2 she still wouldn't sell 500k, but more like 350-400k, Its gonna be bigger than Breakway's first week. People are completely underestimating her worldwide audience she gained.

People don't buy material that sounds the same as the last hit album in flocks. The only thing a Subg v2.5 song would done is be more successful on radio - that's it, nothing further.

[lst76]

legendtina1 said:

I'm sorry but a three year wait between albums is PERFECT amount of time. That's how it should be, espechally since Kellys singles extended from 2004-2006. This isn't the 90s where an artist can release albums every year or two and ride on success forever. Times have changed and todays listenrs are very inpatient. They get sick of people fast. The music industry is not the same anymore. People aren't going to by a specific artists material year after year after year if the artist doesn't give the audience enough time to miss them. This is Kellys case, at least in my opinion.

I don't think it's even the material being 'darker'. I think that has nothing to do with it. It might be the song subject though. All of her singles on 'Breakaway' were about breakup/heartbreak/angerness, and instead of changing up the song subject, she chose to even go futher with it. After a while it starts to sound redundant. I mean how many songs can someone have about the same thing over and over? Beyonce learned her lesson with 'Deja Vu'. I really hope her next single is not about breakup, because people might continue to brush it off.

agreed!! she keeps releasing the same single over and over and over again!

[orchbellzbab]

legendtina1 said:

I'm sorry but a three year wait between albums is PERFECT amount of time. That's how it should be, espechally since Kellys singles extended from 2004-2006. This isn't the 90s where an artist can release albums every year or two and ride on success forever. Times have changed and todays listenrs are very inpatient. They get sick of people fast. The music industry is not the same anymore. People aren't going to by a specific artists material year after year after year if the artist doesn't give the audience enough time to miss them. This is Kellys case, at least in my opinion.

I don't think it's even the material being 'darker'. I think that has nothing to do with it. It might be the song subject though. All of her singles on 'Breakaway' were about breakup/heartbreak/angerness, and instead of changing up the song subject, she chose to even go futher with it. After a while it starts to sound redundant. I mean how many songs can someone have about the same thing over and over? Beyonce learned her lesson with 'Deja Vu'. I really hope her next single is not about breakup, because people might continue to brush it off.

Mmm. It's a good thing, though, that there are literally 2 songs on the entire CD about breaking up, never again, and a song called "Can I Have A Kiss?" Although, a lot of the more angry/sad songs are probably going to be misconstrued as "breakup" songs. "Yeah" is a really funky "happy" (and kind of sexy, in subject mater) song that sounds very fresh, and apparently "Sober"is a real upper compared to the rest of the album.

[MikeCheck12]

Just downloaded thsi track from iTunes. I think it's a great track. Can't wait for her CD!

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

Avril Lavigne couldn't even get to 300k and she had a #1 single to ride off of. I think 300k is gonna be just right. NA will be totally gone by then and the 2nd single will be jump starting.

[justfloating]

Avril is completely different. She has been out of radio for a long time when Girlfriend was released besides Keep Holding On. Kelly, in the past, had released more radio friendly singles and has had more success on radio than Avril. Its not surprising Avril didnt reach 300k. Pink hit 272K and she had little radio success with Try This and a moderate hit in Stupid Girls.
I think Kelly will rake in around 320k, just for curiosity, those who love Never Again, and then for the fact that she is Kelly Clarkson.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Kelly is still America's darling whereas Avril was coming off of a slump radio/sales-wise compared to 'Let Go'. 'Girlfriend' isn't really the type of songs to sell CDs. Kelly's coming off of a major album. I think even if her total overall sales at the end of the era are low, her first week sales will still be high.

[Haley]

They played the remix on my station a bit ago..I got excited.

[maadx]

this song is bigger than people think IMO... if u look at kelly's myspace it gets over 50,000 plays a day. plus it's doing very well on itunes w/ no airplay. i am very excited for kelly's new album & she will have huge success with it. she is defining herself as an incredible artist & continues to break the mold. plus i think she is doing a great job of broadening her fan base! i am a frequent reader of this board, but hardly post & it justs seems like more & more is all of this childish drama. if u like kelly, this song, the album great! if not.... go play somewhere else!

[Haley]

maadx said:

this song is bigger than people think IMO... if u look at kelly's myspace it gets over 50,000 plays a day. plus it's doing very well on itunes w/ no airplay. i am very excited for kelly's new album & she will have huge success with it. she is defining herself as an incredible artist & continues to break the mold. plus i think she is doing a great job of broadening her fan base! i am a frequent reader of this board, but hardly post & it justs seems like more & more is all of this childish drama. if u like kelly, this song, the album great! if not.... go play somewhere else!

People should still be allowed to share their opinions though. :) A thread full of praise and worship would be boring..haha..

[beaston]

carriefan0209 said:

i think she could easily do 350K, and possibly go as high as 450K given the right promotion

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

themaxonline said:

Kelly is still America's darling whereas Avril was coming off of a slump radio/sales-wise compared to 'Let Go'. 'Girlfriend' isn't really the type of songs to sell CDs. Kelly's coming off of a major album. I think even if her total overall sales at the end of the era are low, her first week sales will still be high.

Kelly has been anything BUT America's darling in the last month. Have you not seen the press she's been getting? Americas favorite darling is Carrie Underwood. All you'll have to do is go on prezhilton or read Entertainment Weekly to see that there's a backlash against Kelly that she's never had before. Don't deny it's not there.

[maadx]

deardiary said:

maadx said:

this song is bigger than people think IMO... if u look at kelly's myspace it gets over 50,000 plays a day. plus it's doing very well on itunes w/ no airplay. i am very excited for kelly's new album & she will have huge success with it. she is defining herself as an incredible artist & continues to break the mold. plus i think she is doing a great job of broadening her fan base! i am a frequent reader of this board, but hardly post & it justs seems like more & more is all of this childish drama. if u like kelly, this song, the album great! if not.... go play somewhere else!

People should still be allowed to share their opinions though. :) A thread full of praise and worship would be boring..haha..

let me clarify... "share their opinions" great... mindless bickering/nonsense.... not great....

[maadx]

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[Focus]

legendtina1 said:

themaxonline said:

Kelly is still America's darling whereas Avril was coming off of a slump radio/sales-wise compared to 'Let Go'. 'Girlfriend' isn't really the type of songs to sell CDs. Kelly's coming off of a major album. I think even if her total overall sales at the end of the era are low, her first week sales will still be high.

Kelly has been anything BUT America's darling in the last month. Have you not seen the press she's been getting? Americas favorite darling is Carrie Underwood. All you'll have to do is go on prezhilton or read Entertainment Weekly to see that there's a backlash against Kelly that she's never had before. Don't deny it's not there.

Did you happen to read the EW feature that they just did on Kelly?
www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20038840_20038841_20038857,00.html

or see the interview with the guy that wrote the EXTENSIVE article about Kelly for EW?
youtube.com/watch?v=xxgV_M8EdsQ Part 1
youtube.com/watch?v=XpgmzhddMXY Part 2


Do you ever feel foolish when you say things that are patently untrue?

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

regency said:

legendtina1 said:

Kelly has been anything BUT America's darling in the last month. Have you not seen the press she's been getting? Americas favorite darling is Carrie Underwood. All you'll have to do is go on prezhilton or read Entertainment Weekly to see that there's a backlash against Kelly that she's never had before. Don't deny it's not there.

Did you happen to read the EW feature that they just did on Kelly?
www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20038840_20038841_20038857,00.html

or see the interview with the guy that wrote the EXTENSIVE article about Kelly for EW?
youtube.com/watch?v=xxgV_M8EdsQ Part 1
youtube.com/watch?v=XpgmzhddMXY Part 2


Do you ever feel foolish when you say things that are patently untrue?

Yet you fail to mention Perezhilton and other sources who have been doing nothing but hating on Kelly since this era began.

[justfloating]

No she only sees what she wants to. as far as she concerned, the world is only what she is.

[Haley]

regency said:

Do you believe that Perez Hilton blog is classed as "press"?

Why yes, he is a definite credible source.

[Focus]

legendtina1 said:

regency said:

Did you happen to read the EW feature that they just did on Kelly?
www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20038840_20038841_20038857,00.html

or see the interview with the guy that wrote the EXTENSIVE article about Kelly for EW?
youtube.com/watch?v=xxgV_M8EdsQ Part 1
youtube.com/watch?v=XpgmzhddMXY Part 2


Do you ever feel foolish when you say things that are patently untrue?

Yet you fail to mention Perezhilton and other sources who have been doing nothing but hating on Kelly since this era began.

Do you believe that Perez Hilton's blog is classed as "press"?

[Jennifa]

I hate to agree with "legendtina" but he's right. And Perezhilton is press. He's probably more important than most press these days. His blog gets like a million hits daily. Sadly. Hate that fat fuglicious beast.

[Jeff]

legendtina1 said:

regency said:

Did you happen to read the EW feature that they just did on Kelly?
www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20038840_20038841_20038857,00.html

or see the interview with the guy that wrote the EXTENSIVE article about Kelly for EW?
youtube.com/watch?v=xxgV_M8EdsQ Part 1
youtube.com/watch?v=XpgmzhddMXY Part 2


Do you ever feel foolish when you say things that are patently untrue?

Yet you fail to mention Perezhilton and other sources who have been doing nothing but hating on Kelly since this era began.

Perez has been hating on Kelly since day one. From the false lesbian rumors he starts to the constant posting about her and her weight.

Do you care to post the other sources? 'Cause all the ones I've been reading have been nothing but behind Kelly supporting her.

I think you make up things you want to beleive. Since probably about 99% of ythe things you say are utter bullshit.

[Jeff]

jennifer said:

I hate to agree with "legendtina" but he's right. And Perezhilton is press. He's probably more important than most press these days. His blog gets like a million hits daily. Sadly. Hate that fat fuglicious beast.

No matter what he may be, he's never been a big supporter of Kelly, unless constant remarks about her, her sex life and her apperence is supporting. Unless smirk back handed compliments is support then I'm sorry. Perez is like the biggest Kelly supporter out there.

All he is, is a glorified blog poster. He is the "Sanjaya" of the media. Not a single person takes him seriously. Everyone just builds him up to knock him down.

[vinyl]

gayboykellycfan said:

All he is, is a glorified blog poster. He is the "Sanjaya" of the media. Not a single person takes him seriously. Everyone just builds him up to knock him down.

He is still way more influential than many other media "sources" today, unfortunately.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

legendtina1 said:

Kelly has been anything BUT America's darling in the last month. Have you not seen the press she's been getting? Americas favorite darling is Carrie Underwood. All you'll have to do is go on prezhilton or read Entertainment Weekly to see that there's a backlash against Kelly that she's never had before. Don't deny it's not there.

There's nothing to deny. She's still going to have awesome opening week sales. Bad press is still press and people are going to wonder what all the fuss is about. If there is actually tons of backlash, it'll probably eventually blow over. It's pretty much just her casual fans that like bubblegum pop music that don't like 'Never Again'. And even without that song as a hit, everyone still knows she's coming out with a new CD. The only thing that could screw it up is the fact that they changed the release date and moved it up thus cutting short promo. It'll have good first week sales in relation to other first week sales this year. Maybe not Linkin Park numbers but still decent in comparison to the typical #1 album.

[Love Plastic Love]

I may get crap for this, but even though the lead single didnt do really well, I still see more good press for this than bad. She is getting a lot of "Kelly fights the evil generic music industry and creates good cd" than "the cd sucks"
That MAY help her offset some of the poor airplay.

[popmusicaddict]

underneathobsidian said:

I may get crap for this, but even though the lead single didnt do really well, I still see more good press for this than bad. She is getting a lot of "Kelly fights the evil generic music industry and creates good cd" than "the cd sucks"
That MAY help her offset some of the poor airplay.

Why would you get crap for that? Its the 100% truth and the only people who don't see it is the people who seem to think if NA didn't reach top 5 her whole album would be a flop and her first weeks sales would plummet lol.

She said she doesn't want to be the Joan of Arc of the music industry but the media is setting it up like that, which causes more people to talk and more press about it whether people deem it a good thing or not. Whether even Kelly Clarkson likes it or not its all talk about the album which gets people informed about the album.

[un4gitible]

Whenever I see Perez Hilton quoted or whatnot in the press he is referred to as Gossip Blogger Perez Hilton. His claim to fame IS a gossip blog.

If you are going to quote him as bad press you might as well toss in the Enquirer, Star and Globe - cuz they are all the same thing.

[Jennifa]

You can deny the negative press, the backlash, and all that but all you Kelly fans KNOW its there.

This is another "Try This" unless she has an extremely radio friendly song on the album.

[pyrates]

I'd actually be ok if it was a "Try This", I liked the album and it did get Pink a grammy win.

As to the press, there was a definite backlash in the press at the beginning of this era. First for her weight/looks, then for the album fight with Clive. I stopped listening to the radio for a while because that's all people seemed to be able to talk about. But it seemed to have to done a 180 for now. More people seem to be on Kelly's side, now this may change if people don't like the album, but for now, with a few exceptions the press seems to be backing Kelly. For example, her appearance on Idol had a lot of positive reviews. There were a few negative ones (primarily about her weight, some about the song/vocals) but for every negative review there were like 50 positive ones.

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

I just feel people are throwing the term 'Americas Sweetheart' to Kelly way too loosely. At the moment, she is not Americas Sweetheart. There can only be one American sweetheart during an era, and right now it's Carrie Underwood.

And yeah, Perez Hilton is very influential. He has become more popular than Star and Us Weekly and all those other shows.