Kelly Clarkson 'Never Again' (Now on iTunes!)

[kellyfan1232]

beaston said:

Have the digital sales for this increased at all since AI?
That was a killer performance.

Not that i know of. All the artist who performed didnt have any increase either.

[Deleted]

Kelly is up to N0.2 again on the Canadian iTunes chart. She had been down to N0.5 in recent days but has swung back up since the AI performance.

[muscleclub]

kellyfan1232 said:

beaston said:

Have the digital sales for this increased at all since AI?
That was a killer performance.

Not that i know of. All the artist who performed didnt have any increase either.

I think the song's sales will definitely increase, this week. She is up to #6 on itunes but you can't really tell if her popularity lines increased because RiRi is killing them.

[Love Plastic Love]

Yeah her and others sales may be increasing, but its such a competitive week all around for all of them that you may not see a huge jump in positions. Several songs are killing it this week.

[popmusicaddict]

NA up to #4 now, Jordin is now top 10 @ #10.

[Focus]

That's awesome! Thanks Pop!

[doodlebug]

popmusicaddict said:

BTW: On my station, within the last 3.5 hours Kelly played 4 times. Opening with BOY then WA then SUBG now Never Again just played and she announced it like it just came out all 'Kelly's brand new single' and everything. Kelly played more than any single artist on the station so far today, even Avril and Pink (wont last long but thought that was awesome!). As I typed that U+Ur Hand came on lol.

I wonder if what you just said here isn't a big part of the problem. The radio is still too saturated with Kelly from Breakaway. I don't especially love NA but it does have some interesting sounds to the music in places. I do think the video is pretty good, but of course, the video isn't seen when you just listen to the radio. But I do think to hear 4 songs in less than 4 hours by one artist can work against them instead of for them. This new single has never had the chance to be out there "by itself" as Kelly's song or sound. If they had let her go, stopped playing her for a little while, nothing at all, then come back with this new single and sound, it might have worked. But when you still hear the others, this just doesn't work with them.

OK bear with me a minute. People who don't follow message boards and charts and details may not get that this is a different CD, a different sound and direction. It's not obvious if you never stopped hearing her, it's just another in a long line of songs. If she had done Breakaway PT 2 type songs, it wouldn't have mattered. But she didn't. She did a whole different "everything" on this. People were never allowed to "put away" the Breakaway era and "progress" to a different one. Again, I am talking the majority of people, who do NOT follow music boards, don't read the linears on CD to see who wrote what, don't care who wrote what. They hear a song, and they decide whether they like it or not. Kelly had the radio pretty much to herself for the last 2 years and her songs just led from one to the next in songs people could sing and rock to. Now there are lots of females out there again, with all kinds of sounds, fun upbeat songs. And Kelly comes out with a sound they don't expect.

I really think she would have benefited more if radio had let go of the other songs, let her have her actual down time as down time, then a comeback. It's not an obvious comeback to most -- just another song. Don't know if you follow or not -- hopefully someone does.

[popmusicaddict]

regency said:

That's awesome! Thanks Pop!

Oops sorry don't kill me but that was Idol nights update, Still at #6 cuz T-Pain and Shop Boyz (blek) got the advantage, but T-Pain not by much but Shop Boys popularity bar shot up :o

As for doodlebugs comments, that's what I feared from the start. I mean I loved that she was having a reign on radio like nothing else in recent memory but I knew that would cause some kind of problems eventually. Radio can simply CHOOSE to play her old stuff and not play her new stuff that often. I'm not giving more excuses for this song decling as it is I'm just saying like dooglebag said it *IS* no matter how you look at it a factor and can create the illusion to casual audience that Kelly never left even though the media has been pressing its off her NEW album (for the most part).

I'm also wishing they woulda dropped her Breakaway stuff but considering there might be a no more federal exception for royalties it wouldn't be that benefical just to help one single. JT is more so taking that path with destroying his recurrent play with his rampant single releases, Kelly's label set it up alot better for longevity.

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

doodlebug said:

popmusicaddict said:

BTW: On my station, within the last 3.5 hours Kelly played 4 times. Opening with BOY then WA then SUBG now Never Again just played and she announced it like it just came out all 'Kelly's brand new single' and everything. Kelly played more than any single artist on the station so far today, even Avril and Pink (wont last long but thought that was awesome!). As I typed that U+Ur Hand came on lol.

I wonder if what you just said here isn't a big part of the problem. The radio is still too saturated with Kelly from Breakaway. I don't especially love NA but it does have some interesting sounds to the music in places. I do think the video is pretty good, but of course, the video isn't seen when you just listen to the radio. But I do think to hear 4 songs in less than 4 hours by one artist can work against them instead of for them. This new single has never had the chance to be out there "by itself" as Kelly's song or sound. If they had let her go, stopped playing her for a little while, nothing at all, then come back with this new single and sound, it might have worked. But when you still hear the others, this just doesn't work with them.

OK bear with me a minute. People who don't follow message boards and charts and details may not get that this is a different CD, a different sound and direction. It's not obvious if you never stopped hearing her, it's just another in a long line of songs. If she had done Breakaway PT 2 type songs, it wouldn't have mattered. But she didn't. She did a whole different "everything" on this. People were never allowed to "put away" the Breakaway era and "progress" to a different one. Again, I am talking the majority of people, who do NOT follow music boards, don't read the linears on CD to see who wrote what, don't care who wrote what. They hear a song, and they decide whether they like it or not. Kelly had the radio pretty much to herself for the last 2 years and her songs just led from one to the next in songs people could sing and rock to. Now there are lots of females out there again, with all kinds of sounds, fun upbeat songs. And Kelly comes out with a sound they don't expect.

I really think she would have benefited more if radio had let go of the other songs, let her have her actual down time as down time, then a comeback. It's not an obvious comeback to most -- just another song. Don't know if you follow or not -- hopefully someone does.

That's what i think too. This isn't a 'comeback' for Kelly. Sure 'Breakaway' came out in 2004, but her singles expanded well into 2006. Eventually radio was not going to pick her over other females who had songs out. This does sort of feel like an extention to the 'Breakaway' era. Like a 6th single. If Kelly would've waited til the fall for this, i think it would've done better, new sound or no new sound.

Now i know this case wasn't true for Gwen Stefani or Rihanna who have released more albums in the last couple years than Kelly has. But their singles did not have longevity like how Kellys did. Both Rihanna and Gwens first albums came AFTER 'Breakaway' the song and ended before 'Walk Away' was even released.

[SILENCE]

and this had to do with this discussion HOW? jeez i incorrectly spelled insistent wrong...please forgive me, ms. perfect

actually it had nothing to do with your spelling error and everything to do with the fact that the post you quoted had no reference to this song "not being over" nor have any of my posts for the last few days. It was my way of saying stop looking at WHO posted it and look at WHAT they posted. You've slammed me several times without reason and your OBVIOUS dislike for me personally is showing and it's just a tad annoying.

doodle, I agree with your post 100%! It's a problem that Kelly had throughout the breakaway era IMO. Which I think accounts for why her previous singles rose up so slowly on the charts, the heavy recurrent play of other songs. I voiced my concern that radio's continued heavy rotation of Kelly's other songs might hurt this release but I think most assumed that radio would pull back on the old stuff and embrace the new song since it does sound different than what they've been playing.

Perhaps as others have said this song is just TOO dark for Pop. It's certainly no shiny happy people song....it's not bouncy like GF, it's not sing songy like Sweet Escape, Makes me Wonder or even Glamorous.

Oh well, there's always the next single and honestly even if that one fails to light a fire I'm okay about it. I would rather Kelly be the artist she wants to be rather than the artist her labels thinks she should be. She's said that the artists she admires aren't really mainstream anyway and perhaps Kelly wasn't as thrilled with the HUGE success of Breakaway as others might have been. I think she's happy just being able to tour and do the music she likes. If she has hits that's cool too but in her mind it's not the be all and end all of her career.

she'll be around regardless of whether this album produces a #1 song or not and that's what I care about.

now about this song..on R&R it's down to #21 with a -245 bullet so yeah stick a fork in this song it's DONE! :(

[pyrates]

Pop:
21 25 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2007 RCA/RMG 2792 3403 -611 14.878

Poor little song. :( *build's it a nice little coffin*

Hot Ac:
14 13 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2007 RCA/RMG 1620 1584 36 7.608

[dionysus]

Mediabase

Kelly Clarkson , Never Again

Date / Spins To Date / Aud.(M)
May 24/ 28,189 / 23.377
May 23/ 27.556 / 23.948
May 22/ 26,895 / 24.829
May 21/ 26,194 / 25.493

May 20/ 25,486 / 26.150
May 19/ 24,678 / 26.607
May 18/ 23,941 / 27.282
May 17/ 23,230 / 27.991
May 16/ 22,462 / 28.423
May 15/ 21,697 / 28.816
May 14/ 20,900 / 28.987

May 13/ 20,108 / 29.164
May 12/ 19,254 / 28.964
May 11/ 18,424 / 28.985
May 10/ 17,659 / 29.072
May 9 / 16,842 / 28.956
May 8 / 15,998 / 28.666
May 7 / 15,011 / 27.982

May 6 / 14,432 / 28.010
May 5 / 13,726 / 27.630
May 4 / 12,928 / 27.062
May 3 / 12,195 / 26.610
May 2 / 11,428 / 26.347
May 1 / 10,645 / 25.753
Apr 30 / 9,876 / 25.284

Apr 29 / 9,167 / 30.018
Apr 28 / 8,418 / 28.743
Apr 27 / 7,643 / 27.950
Apr 26 / 7,004 / 27.365
Apr 25 / 6,312 / 26.934
Apr 24 / 5,625 / 26.325
Apr 23 / 4,991 / 25.702
Apr 22 / 4,387 / 25.455
Apr 21 / 3,908 / 24.634

[Focus]

Thanks for doing this every day dicky1982.

[GiggaWho]

myreflection said:

It was my way of saying stop looking at WHO posted it and look at WHAT they posted. You've slammed me several times without reason and your OBVIOUS dislike for me personally is showing and it's just a tad annoying.

And so you did essentially did the same thing back? Not cool.

[SILENCE]

Thanks dickey....but can someone explain to me how it's held steady in spins but is still losing it's bullet? I'm a feeb when it comes to understanding these charts apparently cuz I calculate she got 4,959 spins between 5/17/07 and 5/24/07 (and aren't the mediabase spins based on weekly stats?...do they go from sunday to sun or some other formula?) Please explain it for me cuz I really want to understand if this song is really dying or what.

And so you did essentially did the same thing back? Not cool.

oh how special....you see her attacking me for stating my opinion and yet I'm the one you choose to reprimand?

seriously gigga why are your panties in such a twist all the time towards Kelly fans? She openly admitted to YELLING at me (for something I didn't even say no less) and all you can say is MY response is "not cool" LMAO how typical...

[Patches]

danab392 said:

Pop:
21 25 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2007 RCA/RMG 2792 3403 -611 14.878

Poor little song. :( *build's it a nice little coffin*

lol....how about we start a memorial!

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

Despite the underperformance, i still think Kelly will sell around 300k in first week sales.

[Deleted]

I think this song will probably still do well in reccurent plays, just like most of her other singles.

[Positive Tension]

If Kelly would've waited til the fall for this, i think it would've done better, new sound or no new sound.

I'm not sure how much it would have helped if she released the CD in the fall. Despite having singles played well into 2006, I think a three year wait for an album is really long, and the 2.5 years she waited to release new material was about enough, imo.

I wasn't crazy about Kelly's performance of this song on Idol, but I'm glad it's helping on i-Tunes.

[SILENCE]

I think a three year wait for an album is really long, and the 2.5 years she waited to release new material was about enough, imo.

but that wasn't Kelly's choice....this album has been done since February....it could've been released in mid April if her label weren't full of egotistical jerkoffs who want their way regardless of Kelly's artistic vision and intergrity.

[Repent Yourself Away]

Shannon, do you work for RCA? I didn't think so. I'm sorry but its people like you who make Kelly fans look bad. For every person who has made a dumb remark in this thread you are constantly the first to retort with a mile long post. Just cut it out and grow up!

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

I'm sorry but a three year wait between albums is PERFECT amount of time. That's how it should be, espechally since Kellys singles extended from 2004-2006. This isn't the 90s where an artist can release albums every year or two and ride on success forever. Times have changed and todays listenrs are very inpatient. They get sick of people fast. The music industry is not the same anymore. People aren't going to by a specific artists material year after year after year if the artist doesn't give the audience enough time to miss them. This is Kellys case, at least in my opinion.

I don't think it's even the material being 'darker'. I think that has nothing to do with it. It might be the song subject though. All of her singles on 'Breakaway' were about breakup/heartbreak/angerness, and instead of changing up the song subject, she chose to even go futher with it. After a while it starts to sound redundant. I mean how many songs can someone have about the same thing over and over? Beyonce learned her lesson with 'Deja Vu'. I really hope her next single is not about breakup, because people might continue to brush it off.

[K.]

This isn't really a summer song, either. That might be hurting it. I would imagine this type of song being released october-january.

[carriefan0209]

walkaway8 said:

Shannon, do you work for RCA? I didn't think so. I'm sorry but its people like you who make Kelly fans look bad. For every person who has made a dumb remark in this thread you are constantly the first to retort with a mile long post. Just cut it out and grow up!

finally...nicely put!

[missclarkson]

legendtina1 said:

Despite the underperformance, i still think Kelly will sell around 300k in first week sales.

thats a given ...
it wont be hard for kelly to top agulera b2b 1st week number
with a strong 1at single, i thought she would be able to come close to beyonce bday 1st week sales, but with NA messing up, i think it'll be a little above b2b

[Patches]

plz..she'll do atleast 500,000

[missclarkson]

wolfpack said:

plz..she'll do atleast 500,000

no way. with subg part 2 she would have, but not with NA as the first single. no way.

[Patches]

we are talking first week..even if her first single is a radio flop people still want the album. Will the album have the longevity Breakaway had, will have to wait and see.

[carriefan0209]

i think she could easily do 350K, and possibly go as high as 450K given the right promotion

[OUcultjam]

wow, you guys have more faith in music buyers than I do! I hope to be pleasantly surprised.