Kelly Clarkson 'Never Again' (Now on iTunes!)

[G-Reg]

'Never Again' will still be released as the first single in the UK, not 'One Minure.' It's already available for digital download and physical single is released June 6th. You can order it on HMV.co.uk...Apparently NA is not doing as badly in the UK as it is in the US, so hopefully she'll make top 10 there!

I liked the live version of OM though, I'd like to hear the studio version. I'm hoping it will make a good second single, if that's the one they go with.

[addicted06]

I hated "Never again" when I first heard it on the radio, now, I love it. It's a grower, definitely takes some getting used too, but, after a few listens, you realize how much she ROCKS it.

[un4gitible]

With my luck if I bought a cd based solely on the cover because it caught my eye while I was in the store I'd end up with a cd of Death Metal or Scream-O. Or, heaven forbid, a cd by those two white supremicist little girls cuz they sure are pretty and sure do clean up well.

I think I'll stick to previewing a cd and deciding if I want to buy it based on if I like the music on it or not.

Hmmmm, by this theory though, is anyone else totally ticked at RCA for the Breakaway cover? Now I'm thinking that if people actually do this, buy based on a cover, with a really hot cover, she could have broken 6M and maybe even 7M U.S. sales. Grrrrrrr.

And I would think RCA would be ecstatic, especially with the way sales are nowadays, if My December can match Thankful's sales (2.65M+ I believe is the latest count?). They may be less than Breakaway but those are still numbers I wouldn't shake a stick at haha

[SILENCE]

I think this is a pretty inaccurate statement at this point in time. She has been a moneymaker in the past on her 2nd CD, but there is no guarantee that this CD will be. The sales haven’t been bad, but seriously, it has made no where near the amount of money already invested up to this point, so to claim they have made a bunch of money off of it is totally false at this stage. It’s sold what, several hundred thousand downloads at 99 cents each? That’s nothing compared to the cost and amount they have shelled out at this point. If they don’t have faith in it, pouring more money in is not a sound business decision. Agree or disagree, I stand by my original statement. They need to wait until they see what happens with the first few weeks of sales. If they are really good, go with a second single if they really think there is a winner on there. If they don’t, why waste another million or so on another video, promos, radio push etc, if it’s also only going to gain a few hundred thousand downloads. No smart business continues to spend millions to make thousands.

you know, I typed up this really long rebuttal but truthfully all I really need to say to you doodle is WORLDWIDE SUPERSTAR! Kelly's sales aren't limited to the U.S. market, unlike some others, and while this single didn't perform as well as most expected, it's doing quite well in the overseas market and I expect what Kelly may lack in U.S. support will be more than made up for by her HUGE fanbase overseas, which I'm sure RCA is counting on...

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Wait, what are you guys arguing about again?

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Wait, what are you guys arguing about again?

edited cuz answering a rhetorical question is just as silly as asking one... LOL...

[Rumors]

I've not read that many posts in this thread but I did want to comment on the fact that I agree with doodlebug's post above. Some excellent points were made.

Here's the bottom line. 'Never Again' is simply an average song. It's not terrible and it's not a piece of art. I doubt many Kelly fans will say it's their favorite Kelly song 5 years from now. Kelly got tremendous, tremendous radio play on her last album. It would be difficult for anyone to meet those expectations two albums in a row. I'm going to say that Kelly will get good album reviews (the critics like her) and her diehard fans will buy the album. I would expect her first week to be around 700k (LP did 615K so I think this is within reach. However, I don't think labels are headed by evil little men and it's not a secret that the label isn't happy with the album. My guess is that all the songs are in the vein on Never Again. I'm sure she'll release a ballad that will do better than NA that will sustain album sales in the future. Do I think this album will have legs like her second one...no way. Because it's Kelly I think she'll sell 2.5-3 million in the US which is great. She is a superstar. However, my personal opinion of Kelly is that she thinks she's more talented than she actually is. Good voice that isn't evident on NA but she's not a naturally talented songerwriter as much as she wants to think she is. Singers/performers don't have to be songwriters to be credible. I've never uderstood this. I guess they all want that $$$$ (music publishing).

Why is she so angry anyway? Seems like she's got a pretty good life to me. Lucked out that some little new show came out about the same time that she wasn't finding any success getting a recording contract.

[SILENCE]

However, my personal opinion of Kelly is that she thinks she's more talented than she actually is.

do you think those other artists who also think Kelly is tremendously talented think she's more talented than she really is? I mean you hear constantly other artists rave about her voice and talent... and I've heard Kelly say she knows there are better singers and writers out there than herself....so I'm not sure where you get the idea that Kelly thinks she's the be all and end all...

Lucked out that some little new show came out about the same time that she wasn't finding any success getting a recording contract.

factually inaccurate...Kelly was offered two separate contracts and turned them both down....

[HellonUrth]

She could have been lying about the record contract offers, you know. She also said she took up busking outside of some label offices and couldn't get a deal. What is true? Nobody knows. There's no evidence that it happened the way she said. Kelly isn't averse to a little creative self promotion and re-written history now and then.

[pyrates]

I actually really, really love NA and think it's better than most of the songs on BA.

And Kelly has never been a critics darling. She had only so-so reviews for Thankful and BA, I actually think she got more positive reviews for Thankful than BA. (Although, as BA got more and more successful, some of them seemed to change their minds.) On Kelly's tours, a lot of the 'positive' remarks from the critics were reluctant/backhanded compliments. Although by the Addicted Tour, more critics were willing to give her credit. I'm just saying this because I don't think great reviews are a given for this album.

[justfloating]

who are you people? her defense attorneys. im a fan too but seriously, at some point just accept that some people are going to post negative comments just to get an argument and you keep giving it to them. Yes, its your right and its a discussion board, but you are wasting your time.

[Swindle]

rumors said:

Lucked out that some little new show came out about the same time that she wasn't finding any success getting a recording contract.

"She's not a girl who got lucky in a talent competition; we got lucky to find her" - Simon Cowell

[pyrates]

justfloating said:

who are you people? her defense attorneys. im a fan too but seriously, at some point just accept that some people are going to post negative comments just to get an argument and you keep giving it to them. Yes, its your right and its a discussion board, but you are wasting your time.

Sorry, Debbie. You're right. It is getting ridiculous. :)

[HellonUrth]

You know you're getting desperate when you start quoting Simon Cowell. :o

[doodlebug]

un4gitible said:

With my luck if I bought a cd based solely on the cover because it caught my eye while I was in the store I'd end up with a cd of Death Metal or Scream-O. Or, heaven forbid, a cd by those two white supremicist little girls cuz they sure are pretty and sure do clean up well.

I think I'll stick to previewing a cd and deciding if I want to buy it based on if I like the music on it or not.

Hmmmm, by this theory though, is anyone else totally ticked at RCA for the Breakaway cover? Now I'm thinking that if people actually do this, buy based on a cover, with a really hot cover, she could have broken 6M and maybe even 7M U.S. sales. Grrrrrrr.

And I would think RCA would be ecstatic, especially with the way sales are nowadays, if My December can match Thankful's sales (2.65M+ I believe is the latest count?). They may be less than Breakaway but those are still numbers I wouldn't shake a stick at haha

Well that's a pretty good way of total misconstruing what was said. No where did I say you buy totally based on the CD cover. Again, if you think a pleasing cover isn't a bonus and necessity, then you know nothing about marketing. Did you ever take it in college? Did you ever teach it? I have. I don't post here saying things to make her fans mad. I could care less who does or doesn't like the song or the entire CD. I thought a discussion might like a little intelligent input about business, but if it is going to be slighted by a "fan's" ill-based rebuttal, what is the point? Think what you what. Better yet, talk to some more people with college business commerce degrees and true business experience. Doesn't matter what the product is, food, CDs, clothes, whatever -- basic marketing is still just that.

Oh yeah, and if read again, you'll see that I said songs make the ultimate decision, not the cover. So again, thanks for trying to totally misrepresent what was said.

[Swindle]

I hardly post here, so how am I desperate? And what does me being desperate or not have to do with Kelly? Nothing. Be careful not to get off-topic.

But in any case, Simon is right. The anti-fans are wrong. :)

[HellonUrth]

swindle said:

Be careful not to get off-topic.

But in any case, Simon is right. The anti-fans are wrong. :)

Who went off topic by quoting Simon as the ultimate authority? It wasn't me, honey.

Simon also said that Fantasia was the best singer ever on AI. Every year he says it is the best season ever. We all know he lies. I can't believe that anyone would quote him when he changes his opinion to suit his needs at any given time without worrying about what a fool he looks like and without any attempt at accuracy.

[Pulse]

myreflection said:

factually inaccurate...Kelly was offered two separate contracts and turned them both down....

Really? From major labels or indie labels?

[Swindle]

mikers said:

swindle said:

Be careful not to get off-topic.

But in any case, Simon is right. The anti-fans are wrong. :)

Who went off topic by quoting Simon as the ultimate authority? It wasn't me, honey.

I'm not your honey, mikers.

You went off topic the moment you started talking about me being desperate. swindle is not the topic. Kelly Clarkson and Never Again are.

As for Simon being the ultimate authority, who says? Not I. Careful there. It is simply an informed opinion I think is worth showing to contrast the detractors. I was just illustrating that not everyone believes Kelly was just someone who lucked into things; her talent did have something to do with it.

BTW, praising Kelly and Fantasia are not mutually exclusive (that goes for anyone from AI or the music world at large, for that matter).

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

LOL....fighting and i'm not apart of it.

[realityBITES]

This thread is a mess!

[pyrates]

legendtina1 said:

LOL....fighting and i'm not apart of it.

Heh. Funniest comment today.

[OUcultjam]

are the crazies gone? is it safe to post again? >:(

They really know how to ruin a good thread.

ETA: Obviously, I LOVE the album cover! It's the FIRST one of Kelly's that I've been crazy about.

[angie]

you know, I typed up this really long rebuttal but truthfully all I really need to say to you doodle is WORLDWIDE SUPERSTAR! Kelly's sales aren't limited to the U.S. market, unlike some others, and while this single didn't perform as well as most expected, it's doing quite well in the overseas market and I expect what Kelly may lack in U.S. support will be more than made up for by her HUGE fanbase overseas, which I'm sure RCA is counting on... This was posted by myreflection..

I'm kinda new here, not sure if I copied that quote correctly, but here is my concern. myreflection is saying that if Kelly doesn't sell well in the US, it's okay because she has a huge fanbase overseas. If I'm offbase, please anyone jump in and correct me, but the only artist that comes to mind being huge overseas, but not in the U.S., is David Hasselhoff. I've seen lots of articles about how huge he is overseas, yet he is a joke here. That is NOT the future I want to see for Kelly....

[ruby1]

"You must not know 'bout me, you must not know 'bout me, I can have another hit in a minute, matter fact it'll top radio charts baby..."



OK I JUST REALIZED HOW LAME THAT WAS

[Repent Yourself Away]

can someone lock this thread and change its name to 'Utterly Ridiculous' the New Single from the PMB Posters?

[ruby1]

somebodys cranky....need a tampon?????????????
jk
jk

[masterpiece]

I definitely went from her biggest fan to her biggest skeptic. I also wont be purchasing MY DECEMBER. And I will make sure others abandon it as well

[Love Plastic Love]

masterpiece said:

I definitely went from her biggest fan to her biggest skeptic. I also wont be purchasing MY DECEMBER. And I will make sure others abandon it as well

LMAO

[un4gitible]

Well that's a pretty good way of total misconstruing what was said. No where did I say you buy totally based on the CD cover.

You said you would look at the cd based on the cover then check it out. If you've never heard any of the songs, what good is an attractive cover? The cover may get you to pick it up but ultimately its the artist and/or the songs that are going to make the ultimate decision. s**t in a pretty little package is still s**t. haha People buy a cd for the music. I would think people would be more likely to go to the store to buy a cd after hearing a song they like on the radio or a TV show but that would just be me.

Again, if you think a pleasing cover isn't a bonus and necessity, then you know nothing about marketing.

A bonus - certainly. A necessity? I'll still strongly disagree with that. I can't imagine anyone seeing the name on a cd and going OH I've heard of that person. Turning it over, saying I like that song .. and that song .. and that song ... and then saying Oh, but you know what, that's one FUGLY cover, I don't think I'll get this cd. If it were a necessity then only the pretty, shiny covers would sell and the ones like, oh, Focus showed above, would sit on the shelf forever. Who would ever want to buy a cd with an all white cover? Or all black with just a snake on it?

Did you ever take it in college? Did you ever teach it? I have. I don't post here saying things to make her fans mad. I thought a discussion might like a little intelligent input about business, but if it is going to be slighted by a "fan's" ill-based rebuttal, what is the point?

Kelly and the song Never Again is the subject here - not my education and not yours. And nice personal attacks - inferring you are intelligent (which would infer others in here are not) and stating that my (and possibly others) opinions are 'ill-based'. Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

Anywho .....


Angie: I can't speak for MyReflection but I would think she is talking more Shakira or P!nk type overseas success (successful here but WILDLY successful overseas) not Hasselhoff type success (zilch!zip!zero! success in the U.S. but wildly successful in Germany haha).

In the words of Ned Flanders "I'm Done-iddly-un responding to those invoking personal attacks instead of having intelligence conversations" heh