Kelly Clarkson 'Never Again' (Now on iTunes!)

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

fanofallmusic said:

I think 'My December' is Kelly's best work to date,. and that's because of her. But it wouldn't have been a bad idea to force her to record one automatic hit to throw on the album.

Thank you. That's all i meant. ONE commercial automatic hit. The others don't need to be commercial, they'll become hits on their own because automatic hit paved the way for them.

[kellyfan1232]

I'll agree that its great to have a great song go high up the charts.

I was extremely disappointed when Candyman flopped. Some people think that song might suck and have no meaning to it, but it's a very original song, and it's fun to sing to. :)

And i guess it wouldnt hurt to have one commericial song, but i think that will be OM.

[popmusicaddict]

And that's fine in saying that legendtina but your entire theory and arguement is moot cuz guess what? YOU nor WE don't know if there's a very radio-friendly commercial hit on the record yet. So far only Aguilera has followed the path of releasing her most commercially successful song on an album off the bat. All other successful big female artists like Gwen, Beyonce, Shakira, ect have saved it for later singles.

When the Addicted Tour came out and I heard "Yeah" and "Maybe" live and sample live clips of "Anymore" , even I said 'woah that's rough stuff, probably be too much of a kicker for her AI / Thankful fans and pop fans so she should probably first release something to ease em into her new rock style - ya know radio friendly thats still pop then lead em into songs like that'.

Well she didn't do that , nor did she release those tracks - it was something totally new and surprising. Its safe to say Gwen Stefani shocked everyone with her first single then lead into, what even the label and Akon new as the 'smash hit' for the record. Its safe to say Beyonce shocked everyone with "Deja Vu" and the return of Jay-Z on a track , then later on they lead to the smash hit "Irreplaceable". What's to say Kelly / her label isn't doing the same? Especially after Breakaway (although one damn successful opener) then to the smash hit Since U Been Gone. So knowing that ..and I hate to say it cuz it will probably upset Kelly fans and haters alike but what if Never Again was just that? This set up..the 'heater track' if you will.

Her label like you say legendtina1 is in it for the money..I wouldn't put it beneath them to just be using NA as a opener track and letting Kelly do her thing and had no plans in it being greatly successful on radio and waiting for the commercial, radio-friendly smash to be released. I hope that's not true though, so lets hope for a rebound or at least for it not to plummet!

So hang in there legendtina1, Kelly might *shreek* surprise you!

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And as for the artists you named, i could care less about them unless i heard one of their songs on the radio and it became a hit.

do you never fall in love with a song BEFORE it becomes a hit? seriously? I didn't/don't mean to sound patronizing to you or seem like I'm looking down on your musical tastes, you're certainly entitled to like what you like but I do believe you are missing out on some truly inspiring and amazing music...esp considering just how LIMITED what gets played on radio really is.

As for Kelly's potential to have a hit with this album, who knows. I haven't heard any full tracks except NA (which I thought SHOULD have been at last a top 5 smash cuz to me it's better than the majority of the songs on radio right now) OM and Maybe....of those my absolute favorite is Maybe. I personally think that song could be HUGE! the melody and just the aching emotions she pours into that song is stunning. Do I think radio is ready for that kind of music? no I don't... they want what I call confectionary sugar songs... there's really nothing to them....no substance no lasting impression on the listener...no connection to a time or place or moment in you life...and THAT is what makes GREAT music!

I like top 40 as much as anyone...but I'll be honest and say that I didn't listen to top 40 even when Kelly WAS dominating the charts....I just couldn't stomach some of the crap they played.

I'm still hopeful that NA still has a touch of life still in it... can't wait for the morning updates so we can see where it stands.

[muscleclub]

#4 on z100's noon countdown.
#8 on z100 9@9 countdown.

[Patches]

Thanks Theo for that. And this definately is not falling drastically ala Candyman, Deja Vu.

[muscleclub]

Just for the record, the song is on both Z countdowns for the first time since its first week of release! If the popularity & requests increase on z100 is an indication that the song is a grower and that listeners needed time to get use to the new Kelly sound then YES it might still have a chance. I still believe that it can do it. As I said before, this song is a fighter. Don't give up on it yet!

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

wolfpack said:

Thanks Theo for that. And this definately is not falling drastically ala Candyman, Deja Vu.

Please don't compare those two songs to 'Never Again'. 'Never Again' is by far a bigger disappointment than those two. 'Deja Vu' went top ten on one format and was a miss on the other two (it still went in the top twenty though), and 'Candyman' was a 3rd single---still it could've done a lot better, but it's not as big of a deal as Kellys situation because this is a first single, and to have it miss the top 20 is a big deal.

I'm still going with my theory that it's not at all about the song being darker. It's about two things here. Overexposure + repetitiveness. She dominated radio for two years in a row, and came back with a new album. Did they really expect this to continue? No. She should have waited longer for this album. You can't keep shoving stuff down peoples throats. Sure the fans will love it, but the mainstream audience will toss you to the corner. And not only that, but the song subject needs to go. Enough with the 'Pissed off at my ex and i'm raising hell' stuff. It's tired. It really is. Even J.lo got the boot after her one millionth 'I'm Real and down to earth' reference.

The key to success is to make your audience miss you and to be unpredictable. Kelly did neither this time. The approach for this album was 'Breakaway---but HARDER!'. Why? Have a song about being in love, or partying, or self love, Something different. Why is it ALWAYS about angry pissed off at my ex? It's redundant. It really is.

The second Beyonce changed her song subject, she automatically got a hit. She was all about 'Obsessed with my love' and yadayada with her first album and even in 'Deja Vu'. But then 'Irreplaceable'---something different, and BAM. Hit. If Kelly doesn't pull something different out of this album, all the other songs will have the same fate as 'Never Again'. If the 2nd single is again 'I'm pissed off at my ex' then it's not going anywhere.

[kellyfan1232]

Dont compare...Christina and Beyonce are also great artist like Kelly.

I kind of (a little) given up on this song for it going up the charts. But i will be requesting it sitll.

[popmusicaddict]

For the last time legendtina, Never Again wasn't even suppose to make the album, her album WILL be about different situations. Alot of the sample songs were about giving love a chance or the possibility of being in love, some are about suicidal or low points in life whether it was her friend or herself. Hell some are just *shreek* FUN ASS ROCKIN SONGS! Never Again is the only song I've heard that's about her ex and it basically is like ending it.

SURE "WALK AWAY" coulda been the final message but there was something missing. Where was the pissed emotion? Every girl or everybody I should say gets pissed about a Breakaway. Did BTHE display pissed? Nope, it displayed hurt. Did Walk Away display pissed or tell a story? Nope, not that either. Where was the you suck for doing that emotion? None of it was displayed in her Breakaway singles - it wasn't real and raw like Never Again. In comparision *biography wise* Walk Away is generic and weak compared to the lyrics in Never Again.

After that you will hear a story about her past 2 years (during the Breakaway era) and it will NOT be all about 'the ex' and the relationship going sour.

Yet again, don't judge a book by its cover - which the cover would be Never Again, about 1/12th of the book. I for one am emotionally thrilled Kelly got this song out in the open and out of the system, so more people could hear it besides herself. I absolutely despise songs with no emotional meaning or attachment, and Kelly will NOT fail to deliver the polar opposite of that. We get REAL, we get KELLY, 100% of her tracks, all the time.

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

popmusicaddict said:

For the last time legendtina, Never Again wasn't even suppose to make the album, her album WILL be about different situations. Alot of the sample songs were about giving love a chance or the possibility of being in love, some are about suicidal or low points in life whether it was her friend or herself. Hell some are just *shreek* FUN ASS ROCKIN SONGS! Never Again is the only song I've heard that's about her ex and it basically is like ending it.

SURE "WALK AWAY" coulda been the final message but there was something missing. Where was the pissed emotion? Every girl or everybody I should say gets pissed about a Breakaway. Did BTHE display pissed? Nope, it displayed hurt. Did Walk Away display pissed or tell a story? Nope, not that either. Where was the you suck for doing that emotion? None of it was displayed in her Breakaway singles - it wasn't real and raw like Never Again. In comparision *biography wise* Walk Away is generic and weak compared to the lyrics in Never Again.

After that you will hear a story about her past 2 years (during the Breakaway era) and it will NOT be all about 'the ex' and the relationship going sour.

Yet again, don't judge a book by its cover - which the cover would be Never Again, about 1/12th of the book. I for one am emotionally thrilled Kelly got this song out in the open and out of the system, so more people could hear it besides herself. I absolutely despise songs with no emotional meaning or attachment, and Kelly will NOT fail to deliver the polar opposite of that. We get REAL, we get KELLY, 100% of her tracks, all the time.

Okay....if she does switch it up and the songs/singles have different meanings, that's one problem put behind her. Now there's only one more problem----her past overexposure on radio. Will radio let go of her old breakaway singles and give any of these songs the same treatment? That's a big question mark. 'Breakaway' was a classic era for Top 40 radio. She gave Top 40 what they needed in a long long while. But how often does the success duplicate? Radio is never kind to the same people forever. Right now Justin is what Kelly was 2 years ago., and what Beyonce was 4 years ago. I think the possibilities of her scoring 4 top ten hits off this album on radio seems very unlikely. The only thing she can do at this point is have a secret weapon. There might be one song that will be the signature hit off the album. It might become a huge hit, but all the other singles around it will flop.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

myreflection said:

And as for the artists you named, i could care less about them unless i heard one of their songs on the radio and it became a hit.

do you never fall in love with a song BEFORE it becomes a hit? seriously? I didn't/don't mean to sound patronizing to you or seem like I'm looking down on your musical tastes, you're certainly entitled to like what you like but I do believe you are missing out on some truly inspiring and amazing music...esp considering just how LIMITED what gets played on radio really is.

As for Kelly's potential to have a hit with this album, who knows. I haven't heard any full tracks except NA (which I thought SHOULD have been at last a top 5 smash cuz to me it's better than the majority of the songs on radio right now) OM and Maybe....of those my absolute favorite is Maybe. I personally think that song could be HUGE! the melody and just the aching emotions she pours into that song is stunning. Do I think radio is ready for that kind of music? no I don't... they want what I call confectionary sugar songs... there's really nothing to them....no substance no lasting impression on the listener...no connection to a time or place or moment in you life...and THAT is what makes GREAT music!

I like top 40 as much as anyone...but I'll be honest and say that I didn't listen to top 40 even when Kelly WAS dominating the charts....I just couldn't stomach some of the crap they played.

I'm still hopeful that NA still has a touch of life still in it... can't wait for the morning updates so we can see where it stands.

I like this post. It's true.
To be completely honest, I got into music mostly because of charts and the pop chart as opposed to the actual music itself. I still love charts. Not so much to follow the pop chart but I love making them. I still have two that I do every week! I love how charts work and I love following that in general and truthfully, as much as I'd like to see some real good music and good artists succeed should the record industry collapse, I know that the charts will be immediately effected on how they work and stuff. I like the whole idea of pop marketing and just pop music culture in general. But I'm also all about having plain old good music. No reason why you can't have the best of both worlds. I like pop music a lot still, a lot of the stuff on the pop chart I like quite a lot but I know that there's so much more to music than just what the pop chart has. I find it sad that others don't take the time or at least give a chance to songs that aren't pop hits.

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

themaxonline said:

myreflection said:

do you never fall in love with a song BEFORE it becomes a hit? seriously? I didn't/don't mean to sound patronizing to you or seem like I'm looking down on your musical tastes, you're certainly entitled to like what you like but I do believe you are missing out on some truly inspiring and amazing music...esp considering just how LIMITED what gets played on radio really is.

As for Kelly's potential to have a hit with this album, who knows. I haven't heard any full tracks except NA (which I thought SHOULD have been at last a top 5 smash cuz to me it's better than the majority of the songs on radio right now) OM and Maybe....of those my absolute favorite is Maybe. I personally think that song could be HUGE! the melody and just the aching emotions she pours into that song is stunning. Do I think radio is ready for that kind of music? no I don't... they want what I call confectionary sugar songs... there's really nothing to them....no substance no lasting impression on the listener...no connection to a time or place or moment in you life...and THAT is what makes GREAT music!

I like top 40 as much as anyone...but I'll be honest and say that I didn't listen to top 40 even when Kelly WAS dominating the charts....I just couldn't stomach some of the crap they played.

I'm still hopeful that NA still has a touch of life still in it... can't wait for the morning updates so we can see where it stands.

I like this post. It's true.
To be completely honest, I got into music mostly because of charts and the pop chart as opposed to the actual music itself. I still love charts. Not so much to follow the pop chart but I love making them. I still have two that I do every week! I love how charts work and I love following that in general and truthfully, as much as I'd like to see some real good music and good artists succeed should the record industry collapse, I know that the charts will be immediately effected on how they work and stuff. I like the whole idea of pop marketing and just pop music culture in general. But I'm also all about having plain old good music. No reason why you can't have the best of both worlds. I like pop music a lot still, a lot of the stuff on the pop chart I like quite a lot but I know that there's so much more to music than just what the pop chart has. I find it sad that others don't take the time or at least give a chance to songs that aren't pop hits.

To answer the guys question, i always discover songs before they become popular. However----the songs that i discover and i end up liking ALWAYS end up becoming huge hits. Like 'Beautiful Girls'. I have been loving this song for weeks now, and it just now entered top 40. It's not my fault what i like always becomes a hit.

[polly]

eyeMax™ wow you hit a large part pf my love for music on the head! I too love the charts, the marketing and pop culture in general. It's so freaking amazing to watch, critique and play around with.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Fo sho!
I used to listen to Casey's Top 40 EVERY week from 1995 until like 2002 (when it was AT40) and everything from the chart movements to chart records and achievements were all so much fun! And when certain songs did certain things. It was all so much fun when it was a song I loved. And then when I got the internet and I learned more about the charts themselves and eventually Billboard and stuff. And now knowing how they all interconnect with the song, album, artist, label, promotion, things about second singles and third singles and all that stuff. lol!

[4 Minutes to be a Legend]

themaxonline said:

Fo sho!
I used to listen to Casey's Top 40 EVERY week from 1995 until like 2002 (when it was AT40) and everything from the chart movements to chart records and achievements were all so much fun! And when certain songs did certain things. It was all so much fun when it was a song I loved. And then when I got the internet and I learned more about the charts themselves and eventually Billboard and stuff. And now knowing how they all interconnect with the song, album, artist, label, promotion, things about second singles and third singles and all that stuff. lol!

I know! I love that too. Everything about the release, follow ups, rush releases, label pushes, resurrections, purpose behind it, situation around it, just everything is so interesting. It interested me so much how RCA waited soo long between singles for 'Breakaway' and it worked out so well. And Jive did the opposite with Timberlake---rush released singles back to back to back and that worked very well too. I just love knowing stuff the general public doesn't care about or doesn't notice. For example, i love knowing that the only reason 'Umbrella' is #1 on the Hot 100 this week is because of Label tactics and manipulations. I love knowing that half of Mariah's #1 hits were manipulated to get there. Stuff like that interests me.

[sunpeach]

Kelly has made it clear she doesn't care if these songs aren't biig sellers and number one hits. It's funny how some people who don't even like her arei more concerned about her singles chart positions than she is. From what I've heard, "One Minute" sounds like a pretty commercial hit to me- I can see people swinging out to the chorus on the dance floor in a minute- bu even if these aren't hits, she doesn't care about that aspect right now.

[masterpiece]

If she releases ONE MINUTE I will never be a fan again, I promise you that. Thats the worst song she has ever done. That will be it for me.

And she may not care about this being a big seller but her label sure does, she is going to keep pulling this s*** to prove some kind of lame point. Then she is going to get dropped, she is going to be a troublemaker with a bad reputation and no label will touch her.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

sunpeach said:

Kelly has made it clear she doesn't care if these songs aren't biig sellers and number one hits. It's funny how some people who don't even like her arei more concerned about her singles chart positions than she is. From what I've heard, "One Minute" sounds like a pretty commercial hit to me- I can see people swinging out to the chorus on the dance floor in a minute- bu even if these aren't hits, she doesn't care about that aspect right now.

Most artists don't usually concern themselves with singles and stuff. Well, a lot that I know of. Nor do they care if they get #1 hits and stuff. I think that's generally left up to the label's descretion.

[shoocoochoocoo]

legendtina1 said:

themaxonline said:

Fo sho!
I used to listen to Casey's Top 40 EVERY week from 1995 until like 2002 (when it was AT40) and everything from the chart movements to chart records and achievements were all so much fun! And when certain songs did certain things. It was all so much fun when it was a song I loved. And then when I got the internet and I learned more about the charts themselves and eventually Billboard and stuff. And now knowing how they all interconnect with the song, album, artist, label, promotion, things about second singles and third singles and all that stuff. lol!

I know! I love that too. Everything about the release, follow ups, rush releases, label pushes, resurrections, purpose behind it, situation around it, just everything is so interesting. It interested me so much how RCA waited soo long between singles for 'Breakaway' and it worked out so well. And Jive did the opposite with Timberlake---rush released singles back to back to back and that worked very well too. I just love knowing stuff the general public doesn't care about or doesn't notice. For example, i love knowing that the only reason 'Umbrella' is #1 on the Hot 100 this week is because of Label tactics and manipulations. I love knowing that half of Mariah's #1 hits were manipulated to get there. Stuff like that interests me.

half of mariah's # 1 hits were manipulated to get there? really? the only thing the labels and artists are interested in is selling albums and singles or downloads. being # 1 in an artificial chart like the billboard one is a matter of methodology and timing. the ambition of some artist to have the most # 1's in history of the history of the history is vain since the methodology was so many time changed to better reflet the times we're living

[Love Plastic Love]

**blinks**

[Az Paynter]

masterpiece said:

If she releases ONE MINUTE I will never be a fan again, I promise you that. Thats the worst song she has ever done. That will be it for me.

And she may not care about this being a big seller but her label sure does, she is going to keep pulling this s*** to prove some kind of lame point. Then she is going to get dropped, she is going to be a troublemaker with a bad reputation and no label will touch her.

Oh, ye of very little faith. Kelly most likely knows what she's doing, and she knows there is risk involved but seriously, it sounds like all anyone is saying is how she's gonna ruin her own career over her choices, which really, if RCA adamantly believed this would be the disaster some people seem to be predicting, then they'd probably go over Kelly's head to ensure it never got released. That has to count for something.

[SILENCE]

i always discover songs before they become popular. However----the songs that i discover and i end up liking ALWAYS end up becoming huge hits.

that's pretty amazing legend and sorry just a touch difficult to believe.

If she releases ONE MINUTE I will never be a fan again, I promise you that. Thats the worst song she has ever done. That will be it for me.

sorry master you aren't a fan to begin with judging from your posting history but I will agree that OM is NOT a song that needs to be released to radio... I heard it live and while I like the song alright it's not amazing that's for sure...

And she may not care about this being a big seller but her label sure does, she is going to keep pulling this s*** to prove some kind of lame point. Then she is going to get dropped, she is going to be a troublemaker with a bad reputation and no label will touch her.

LMAO I think someone bumped their head.

[pyrates]

Pop:
25 26 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2007 RCA/RMG 2298 2793 -495 13.088

Hot AC:
13 13 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2007 RCA/RMG 1616 1620 -4 7.635

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wow...pop I think you and I might just get our wish for sunday's update LOL..

since I'm not a chart follower perhaps someone who is can tell me if a song has EVER come back from that kind of deficit and regained momentum?

I still think of this song as a hit so I'm just curious if those in the know, without agenda, yes eyemax I'm looking at you LOL, can tell me the likelyhood of this song gaining enough spins to get back in the "black" so to speak.

I'm really diggin watching this song I will say that... It's much more exciting and dramatic than her other songs which just kind of slowly and steadily climbed the charts without much fanfare or drama. the anticipation is awesome....

and I have to say it would give me just the greatest pleasure to see this song do well simply to be able to say nener nener nener to a few people on this board LOL... IF the song fails to resurge it's not like they can rub it in anymore than they already have.... since all their gloating about this song being a flop has already happened....

[Focus]

myreflection said:

wow...pop I think you and I might just get our wish for sunday's update LOL..

since I'm not a chart follower perhaps someone who is can tell me if a song has EVER come back from that kind of deficit and regained momentum?

I still think of this song as a hit so I'm just curious if those in the know, without agenda, yes eyemax I'm looking at you LOL, can tell me the likelyhood of this song gaining enough spins to get back in the "black" so to speak.

I'm really diggin watching this song I will say that... It's much more exciting and dramatic than her other songs which just kind of slowly and steadily climbed the charts without much fanfare or drama. the anticipation is awesome....

and I have to say it would give me just the greatest pleasure to see this song do well simply to be able to say nener nener nener to a few people on this board LOL... IF the song fails to resurge it's not like they can rub it in anymore than they already have.... since all their gloating about this song being a flop has already happened....

Yeah, U + Ur Hand. That was proclaimed a miracle, so maybe there could be two miracles, you never know.

[Felicia]

P!nk doesn't have a -600 bullet though. I think 'Lonely No More' by Rob Thomas rebounded from a pretty big deficit, I'm not quite sure...

[MusicJunkie]

It's good to see this isn't falling so fast. Maybe it'll have a run similar to Xtina's "Dirrty": reach its peak, fall in the 30's, and regain a bullet that grants it some good longevity.

[JCMF3]

moto702 said:

It's good to see this isn't falling so fast. Maybe it'll have a run similar to Xtina's "Dirrty": reach its peak, fall in the 30's, and regain a bullet that grants it some good longevity.

It's already HAD tremendous longevity!!!

[Focus]

fel said:

P!nk doesn't have a -600 bullet though. I think 'Lonely No More' by Rob Thomas rebounded from a pretty big deficit, I'm not quite sure...

How minus did it get fel? I thought it dropped pretty far before it started to come back. I checked the thread but all those posts were ones that disappeared when the thread imploded. :(