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Post by addicted06 on Jun 1, 2007 19:56:12 GMT -5
I just got a music survey from rate-the-music, and NEVER AGAIN was a song to rate, and also it had the song as the #2 top tracks for top40/pop radio
TOP SONGS Here are the Top Ten songs right now according to RateTheMusic.com Raters (Click here for Top Songs in All Formats) 1) Makes Me Wonder Maroon 5 2) Never Again Kelly Clarkson 3) Home Daughtry 4) U + Ur Hand Pink 5) Before He Cheats Carrie Underwood 6) Wait For You Elliott Yamin 7) What I've Done Linkin Park 8) Thnks Fr Th Mmrs Fall Out Boy 9) Give It To Me Timbaland f/ Nelly Furtado & Justin Timberlake 10) Summer Love Justin Timberlake
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 1, 2007 20:32:09 GMT -5
Ignore the troll. There is a million ways to listen to a song before you buy it on I Tunes. Why the hell would anyone spend money on a song they have never heard before. You buy a song 'cause you like it and want to listen to it. Troll can't figure that out, sadly it's too hard to understand.
I buy CDs by artists that I've never heard of before. And I'd do the same for a song if it were by someone whose previous CD I loved. Although I think enough time has passed that pretty much anyone that does buy the song from iTunes has heard it before and are buying it because they like it.
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Post by Jeff on Jun 1, 2007 20:56:51 GMT -5
Ignore the troll. There is a million ways to listen to a song before you buy it on I Tunes. Why the hell would anyone spend money on a song they have never heard before. You buy a song 'cause you like it and want to listen to it. Troll can't figure that out, sadly it's too hard to understand.
I buy CDs by artists that I've never heard of before. And I'd do the same for a song if it were by someone whose previous CD I lovedWell, don't that make you special? lol
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Post by doodlebug on Jun 1, 2007 21:26:39 GMT -5
I definitely buy from someone that I have bought and loved before, without even listening. If I like them a lot, I usually don't get burned. I think a lot of people have done that because they liked Breakaway and therefore another Kelly song is worth a download. Geez people it's only 99 cents. Most people won't worry about it if they find out they don't like it. Now buying the whole CD might be a little different. They might be more inclined to seek out a listen before investing 14-20 dollars on something they may ultimately dislike or hate. Plus lots of fans have already said they will buy this CD just to be a hit back at Clive at this point. So you think those same fans aren't doing it with this single, trying to get it up the charts. Right....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2007 21:43:46 GMT -5
^^ I highly doubt Kelly die-hard fans are influencing sales that much for it to rise 26% last week and continue to hold at N0.7 on todays update.
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Post by Focus on Jun 1, 2007 21:49:35 GMT -5
I definitely buy from someone that I have bought and loved before, without even listening. If I like them a lot, I usually don't get burned. I think a lot of people have done that because they liked Breakaway and therefore another Kelly song is worth a download. Geez people it's only 99 cents. Most people won't worry about it if they find out they don't like it. Now buying the whole CD might be a little different. They might be more inclined to seek out a listen before investing 14-20 dollars on something they may ultimately dislike or hate. Plus lots of fans have already said they will buy this CD just to be a hit back at Clive at this point. So you think those same fans aren't doing it with this single, trying to get it up the charts. Right.... I hope that's not going to be the party line if My December has exceptional sales the first week. Yeah, "people bought it to get back at Clive". OK..OYE!
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Post by OUcultjam on Jun 1, 2007 22:12:24 GMT -5
I think enough time has passed that pretty much anyone that does buy the song from iTunes has heard it before and are buying it because they like it. yeppers! eyemax, I'm so glad you've become more involved in this thread! A voice of wisdom.
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Post by sunpeach on Jun 1, 2007 23:38:09 GMT -5
^^ I highly doubt Kelly die-hard fans are influencing sales that much for it to rise 26% last week and continue to hold at N0.7 on todays update. No, of course not- the die-hard ones have already got it and I don't think they are running to buy multiple copies to keep it in the TOP TEN-
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Post by OUcultjam on Jun 2, 2007 0:01:47 GMT -5
itunes doesn't count multiple purchase anyways, unless they're gifts.
the whole idea that people are buying the song that haven't heard though is just BS. Would those same people be buying the VIDEO too without having listened to their new audio download? Because the video has been #6 on itunes all week, and in the top 10 since its debut.
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Post by neally on Jun 2, 2007 0:04:05 GMT -5
^^ I highly doubt Kelly die-hard fans are influencing sales that much for it to rise 26% last week and continue to hold at N0.7 on todays update. Completely agree and this is obviously true. For example, there were 80K+ copies sold digitaly last week. Die-hard fans have had the song for about 5 week (plus the fact that purchasing a song more than once from the same e-store doesn't count toward sales), thus no fanbase could influence sales to that degree.....
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Post by popmusicaddict on Jun 2, 2007 0:11:37 GMT -5
I think enough time has passed that pretty much anyone that does buy the song from iTunes has heard it before and are buying it because they like it. yeppers! eyemax, I'm so glad you've become more involved in this thread! A voice of wisdom. Yep, not to mention a damn good administrator by moderating the thread from it getting out of hand and staying on topic to the song ;)
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Post by WakeUpOlder on Jun 2, 2007 0:47:12 GMT -5
I really don't get how this is doing so poorly though on pop at the moment and its sales are so consistant. It's been in the iTunes Top 10 for 6 weeks counting. Are people buying the song just b/c it's Kelly Clarkson? That's just silly. That means that for the last 6 weeks (other than Maroon 5's 'Makes Me Wonder', what else has been more consitant lately?), this song has been popular enough to remain in the Top 10 of the most important digital music site, but people don't want to hear it on the radio? Something is fishy me thinks. BINGO! :Casual I tunes user logs on and goes to the I tunes store. He looks at the top ten songs: Casual User: Oh, Kelly Clarkson has a new song out? :Casual User downloads it. Casual user listens to it: Casual User: Eh.... :Casual User plays 'Big Girls Don't Cry' for the 57th time: I agree with eyeMax...this may have been the case during the first week or two of the song's release, but 5 weeks later, people are not buying this song on hype alone. By now, people are buying the song because they've heard it and LIKE IT enough to spend money on it. Looking at Mediabase, the bullet has shrunk a little bit. I don't know if it can pull a complete turnaround, but at least it's holding steady. I think it would be nice if the song could stablize a little bit and hold in the top 30 to coincide with the album release. Like I said in the album thread, the music on "My December" is too good for people not to hear. I'm confident that it'll sell well even if Kelly isn't the stable act of Top 40 that she was during her last album.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 2, 2007 0:48:51 GMT -5
yeppers! eyemax, I'm so glad you've become more involved in this thread! A voice of wisdom. Yep, not to mention a damn good administrator by moderating the thread from it getting out of hand and staying on topic to the song ;) And dont forget he is hot :X ;)
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Post by popmusicaddict on Jun 2, 2007 1:11:20 GMT -5
Yep, not to mention a damn good administrator by moderating the thread from it getting out of hand and staying on topic to the song ;) And dont forget he is hot :X ;) Lol, nah that's going a little too far for me, now that would be sucking up! The comments I made were no where near sucking up! ;) Wow this thread made up its 40,000 view loss really quickly lol. Hmmm...
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Post by 4 Minutes to be a Legend on Jun 2, 2007 1:26:26 GMT -5
A lot of people have still not heard this song. They certainly aren't hearing it on the radio much (2300 spins isn't exactly a large reach), and i still do think the reason why a lot of people are downloading it is because of curiosity and because of the American Idol performance (that doesn't necessarily mean they like the song----i always want to hear the studio version of a song when i hear it live for the first time, and that's when i decide if the song is good or not). It's not too out of the question for me to be thinking this about her song. Outside of a couple of message boards, i don't really hear anything about this song. There is no hype for it, not even mentions. It's just THERE.
I hear Kellys name a lot. I see her name in magazines, on websites, and so on...but it's never about 'Never Again' or news about her album. The publicity she has been getting has been about the fight with her label/her weight. In my opinion, i don't think the general public cares that Kelly is about to release a new album. Yeah...i think they realize it, but that's about it. Right now if anyone brings up Kellys name publicly, all they'll do is talk about 'Breakaway', no one will even mention she has a new album coming out this month or talks about her single. It's very weird to describe. It's like she's there---but she isn't.
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Post by WakeUpOlder on Jun 2, 2007 1:49:13 GMT -5
A lot of people have still not heard this song. They certainly aren't hearing it on the radio much (2300 spins isn't exactly a large reach), and i still do think the reason why a lot of people are downloading it is because of curiosity and because of the American Idol performance (that doesn't necessarily mean they like the song----i always want to hear the studio version of a song when i hear it live for the first time, and that's when i decide if the song is good or not). It's not too out of the question for me to be thinking this about her song. Outside of a couple of message boards, i don't really hear anything about this song. There is no hype for it, not even mentions. It's just THERE. I hear Kellys name a lot. I see her name in magazines, on websites, and so on...but it's never about 'Never Again' or news about her album. The publicity she has been getting has been about the fight with her label/her weight. In my opinion, i don't think the general public cares that Kelly is about to release a new album. Yeah...i think they realize it, but that's about it. Right now if anyone brings up Kellys name publicly, all they'll do is talk about 'Breakaway', no one will even mention she has a new album coming out this month or talks about her single. It's very weird to describe. It's like she's there---but she isn't. I can't help but ask myself if this "kelly is there, but she isn't" scenario exists in your mind only, and is a product of you relentlessly searching for a reason to dismiss Kelly and her music. The fact is that "Never Again" is selling well despite an unfriendly embrace by top 40 radio. I don't scan the charts closely enough to know the exact number of downloads, but I do know that it has been a top 10 seller since it's debut. 5 weeks into it's release, people do know about "Never Again", and are not downloading it based purely on Kelly's name. Illegal downloading is too easy for the "casual" listener to spend any money on a song they potentially may not like. People are buying the song for a reason. The "buzz effect" may have been prevelent during it's first few weeks of release, but not anymore . It's selling consistently based on stellar performances on Ellen, Regis and Kelly, Jimmy Kimmel, Today Show, Idol, and all the other large audience outlets Kelly has performed at. People know about this song. Kelly's massive promo for the upcoming tour (and the subsequencial performance spots to showcase the single) matches anything Kelly did during the weeks prior to the release of "Breakaway". Another round of promo to showcase the second single coupled with the strong fanbase Kelly built during the "Breakaway" era ensures a larger first week sales and strong second and third week sales. Sales beyond that point depends entirely on the quality of the album. It's been proven many times that radio isn't the end-all to an album's success. And judging by the small snippet of "Sober", Kelly has nothing at all to worry about. It will replace "Because Of You" as her career defining song.
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Post by Swindle on Jun 2, 2007 1:53:00 GMT -5
Maybe there's some people out there who --- shock of all shocks--- actually likes the song. :o
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Post by JayBoozer on Jun 2, 2007 2:19:16 GMT -5
Honestly I think its just the fact that a bunch of people do like the song, and a whole other bunch of people really don't like it. Just because the reaction to the song has been pretty negative doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people that like the song too. A
s much as I dislike this song and Kelly for having it released, I have to admit I can see how people like this song. Theres a difference between this song and her other flops such as "The Trouble With Love Is" and "Low" in that those songs generally are kind of bland, while Never Again, although different from her successful singles, has a spunk to it that makes it a little more likable than her past flops.
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Post by pyrates on Jun 2, 2007 6:18:49 GMT -5
Pop: 25 26 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2007 RCA/RMG 2258 2690 -432 12.883
Hot AC: 13 13 KELLY CLARKSON Never Again 2007 RCA/RMG 1621 1612 9 7.603
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Post by un4gitible on Jun 2, 2007 7:05:57 GMT -5
Actually, for the w/e 5/18 (her largest week) the total spin count (monitoring all possible mediabase ways people can hear the song) was 5504 (yes, that includes MTV and VH1 and FUSE video spins). She's still sitting at 4411 cumulative for 6/1. And this doesn't even include the spins on all those smaller radio stations that aren't in the Mediabase umbrella.
30M+ audience (again, that's just in the mediabase umbrella) at the peak and a current 21.3+ audience (mediabase only) right now (not to mention the 28M that heard it on idol) is certainly enough people to drive the 35k to 80k sales she's seen each week.
I know, I know *shock* there really could be people - even *gasp* ALOT of people - that actually like this song and *damn near faints* like the snippets they heard and will buy the cd based on that and that alone.
Craaaaaazy thought, isn't it ;)
Now that's just crazy talk, right there. haha
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Post by un4gitible on Jun 2, 2007 7:23:50 GMT -5
Bullet's back on HOT A/C - hot diggity dog! haha Get that top 10 HOT A/C smash, Kelly. You can dooooo it haha
*sings*
Fah who for-aze! Dah who dor-aze! Welcome Christmas, Come this way!
(That's Who's in Whoville's song for those who are now confused haha)
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Post by SILENCE on Jun 2, 2007 9:18:27 GMT -5
I definitely buy from someone that I have bought and loved before, without even listening. If I like them a lot, I usually don't get burned. I think a lot of people have done that because they liked Breakaway and therefore another Kelly song is worth a download. Geez people it's only 99 cents. Most people won't worry about it if they find out they don't like it. Now buying the whole CD might be a little different. They might be more inclined to seek out a listen before investing 14-20 dollars on something they may ultimately dislike or hate. Plus lots of fans have already said they will buy this CD just to be a hit back at Clive at this point. So you think those same fans aren't doing it with this single, trying to get it up the charts. Right.... I hope that's not going to be the party line if My December has exceptional sales the first week. Yeah, "people bought it to get back at Clive". OK..OYE! but you just KNOW it is focus! The CD is less than 24 days from dropping, it's time to start thinking of "excuses" why it sold as well as it did. I mean with Breakaway it was payola....helping her with radio hits...but they can't even use that excuse with this song since it's been a struggle since the second week or so... the initial excitement of the song is what got it off the ground, it kind of fell but now it's picking back up so payola can't be used so it's gotta be that the fans are buying it to "stick it to the man" not because they actually like the song. personally I used to get irritated and frustrated as the constant overdrive that some went into to dismiss Kelly's success, now it just amuses me. it's interesting to see some backpeddling though...a few weeks ago I believe they were saying NO ONE liked the song and that's why it wasn't doing well but now that it's sales have been consistent and it looks to be having "some" positive momentum, it's either "well it's not that SOME people don't like the song, just MOST don't" or "it's not that people like the song, it's curiousity" I agree with whoever said in this age of illegal downloading it's amazing to me that people would say it's just people buying cuz it's Kelly...
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 2, 2007 9:40:43 GMT -5
I buy CDs by artists that I've never heard of before. And I'd do the same for a song if it were by someone whose previous CD I lovedWell, don't that make you special? lol
Kinda. I was just saying. If it's an established artist that you know you'll like based on previous releases, I'm sure a lot of fans would be willing to take a chance on buying a song/album without hearing it.
Yep, not to mention a damn good administrator by moderating the thread from it getting out of hand and staying on topic to the song ;) And dont forget he is hot :X ;)
Umm, thanks, guys. lol...
A lot of people have still not heard this song. They certainly aren't hearing it on the radio much (2300 spins isn't exactly a large reach), and i still do think the reason why a lot of people are downloading it is because of curiosity and because of the American Idol performance (that doesn't necessarily mean they like the song----i always want to hear the studio version of a song when i hear it live for the first time, and that's when i decide if the song is good or not). It's not too out of the question for me to be thinking this about her song. Outside of a couple of message boards, i don't really hear anything about this song. There is no hype for it, not even mentions. It's just THERE. I hear Kellys name a lot. I see her name in magazines, on websites, and so on...but it's never about 'Never Again' or news about her album. The publicity she has been getting has been about the fight with her label/her weight. In my opinion, i don't think the general public cares that Kelly is about to release a new album. Yeah...i think they realize it, but that's about it. Right now if anyone brings up Kellys name publicly, all they'll do is talk about 'Breakaway', no one will even mention she has a new album coming out this month or talks about her single. It's very weird to describe. It's like she's there---but she isn't.
It's all perception, my friend.
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Post by 4 Minutes to be a Legend on Jun 2, 2007 11:44:35 GMT -5
Whatever....i'm still going with my 300k first week sales prediction.
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Post by 4 Minutes to be a Legend on Jun 2, 2007 12:22:36 GMT -5
Oh and 'Because of You' is not Kellys career defining song. It's 'Since U Been Gone'. That's the song that made her.
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Post by Bluesy on Jun 2, 2007 13:35:57 GMT -5
Outside of a couple of message boards, i don't really hear anything about this song. There is no hype for it, not even mentions. It's just THERE. Ummm...earth to legendtina1, outside of a couple of message boards I don't really hear anything about ANY song. There's no hype for any song, not even mentions. They are ALL just there. I listen to radio when I'm in my car going back and forth to work, and back and forth to lunch. A total of maybe 20 minutes a day. To skip the commercials, I flip among AM and FM, and between several different stations. I live in the Los Angeles metro area, where there is exactly one station that plays current Pop music, and exactly one that plays current Adult Contemporary music. (Although it's not my cup of tea, by far the most popular genre of music here is Latin/Mexican, with multiple stations playing it.) KISS-FM plays a mix of approximately 65% hip-hop/rap and 35% pop, pop/rock and a little rock. So there's not much room in their playlists for anything other than the Urban genre. They might call themselves top 40, but they only play maybe the top 10 pop songs in their regular rotations. Star 98.7 (KYSR) plays Adult Contemporary. But it bills itself as an "Alternative" music station. So you're likely to hear a mix of the top few Hot AC songs and lesser-known artists like Brandi Carlile, James Morrison, and Pete Yorn, and not much in between. The point being that in a huge market like L.A., the radio market is a very, very, very limited one. So it's no wonder to me that only a tiny fraction of pop and pop/rock songs get much exposure here, and that a song like 'Never Again' would sell quite well digitally while not making much of a radio impact. Radio, like all of the so-called mainstream media (broadcast TV networks, newspapers and traditional magazines) are all struggling to survive in the digital media age. The pace of change from mainstream broadcast and print media to digital media will only increase.
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Post by sillyfunny on Jun 2, 2007 15:05:33 GMT -5
I agree here. I think it's a really good song. To me it's like SUBG, but harder and more aggressive. But the way she sings it is somewhat similar. I think this could have reached 1M downloads with more radio. But at least she'll do 500K. I'm glad she's held up well on iTunes.
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Post by Jeff on Jun 2, 2007 21:49:04 GMT -5
Oh and 'Because of You' is not Kellys career defining song. It's 'Since U Been Gone'. That's the song that made her. It depends how you look at it. I think BOY is, cause Kelly not only broke out W/W with it, but she wrote it, nearly directed the video, chose the single herself. Now it may even become a hit on Country radio. SUBG or BOY could easily be her career defining songs.
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Post by SILENCE on Jun 2, 2007 21:58:20 GMT -5
personally I don't think Kelly has released her career defining song YET! and reading the lyrics posted in her album thread tells me that it's on this album!
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Post by pyrates on Jun 3, 2007 4:05:24 GMT -5
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