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Post by Stephen on Dec 30, 2008 0:51:01 GMT -5
I think Twisted should be released if they want a crossover success.
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Post by cufan7 on Dec 30, 2008 2:23:49 GMT -5
I think Twisted should be released if they want a crossover success. Just saying. But the thing is I don't think they really care that much about crossover success, and that theory is solidified if the next single is indeed "I Told You So". Now I gotta say how I feel about this being the next single. Shocked. Happy. But Shocked. My initial hope was for "Get Out Of This Town" and I thought it was going to be either "Crazy Dreams" or "Flat On The Floor", because I didn't think they'd release two ballads in a row and also it was a cover song which don't get released as often. Plus Carrie has never performed this for the media (except for on the opry where this song probably fits best), like she has with "Flat On The Floor" on numerous occasions. I think that by releasing this she will definitely gain a new set of fans and it'll be good to get some more traditional music on country radio. I started listening to Country radio back in 2005 and let me tell you, since then I've purchased albums from some of the legends like Garth Brooks and George Strait and I gotta say I would love to hear some of the more traditional country music mixed in... And I hope this single starts a trend for other artists to pick up on, and I think Carrie has the power to do this in Country music right now. And if it pays off it might even get some of the traditional artists (Randy Travis, Patty Loveless, etc) back on the radio which would be awesome. Bold artistic moves pay off and it's time they make one. Good decision team Carrie.
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Post by jeff on Dec 30, 2008 12:06:00 GMT -5
My initial hope was for "Get Out Of This Town" and I thought it was going to be either "Crazy Dreams" or "Flat On The Floor", because I didn't think they'd release two ballads in a row and also it was a cover song which don't get released as often. Plus Carrie has never performed this for the media (except for on the opry where this song probably fits best), like she has with "Flat On The Floor" on numerous occasions. i think FOTF will be what Y&B was for SH, a song that will be used whenever she needed another edgy song for a live performance
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Post by casanova on Dec 30, 2008 18:04:20 GMT -5
i think FOTF will be what Y&B was for SH, a song that will be used whenever she needed another edgy song for a live performance Sadly, I agree. I think ITYS will be the final single from the CR era. Would I have wanted this from the start? No. I've been a major Carrie fan since the AI days, but I'll admit that I'm becoming somewhat less interested in her since the material is becoming the same ol' same ol'. Power ballads, cheery inspirational songs, and upbeat edgy pop-friendly songs like LN, BHC, and FOTF. ITYS is something that's really going to pull Carrie in a different direction, and I think (like many others have said already) that it's only going to make her more well-respected in the Country music industry. Kudos to her because I really feel that this was her idea- she always talks about how she loves traditional country music and I really feel like that's the direction we're going to see on the new album as well, unless ITYS flops as a single, which I doubt it will. I'm not trying to start arguments or debates here by any means, but Carrie is at a crossroads where she can do one of two things to retain interest amongst current fans and gain new ones. Go the Taylor Swift route and make an album that's modern "country" tailored for pop crossover, or dig up her roots and go the more traditional route. Like cufan7 said, this is a bold move, that as a hardcore fan, even I believe she desperately needs right now to make her stand out and start a new trend in Country music. She needs to do something to make her stand out, because up and comer TS is only going to draw more and more attention as she brings in more mainstream listeners. She has the pipes to do it, and she truly appreciates the traditional country roots, so if the void is there to be filled, why not fill it? Doesn't hurt to give it a shot. Also, in terms of releasing a traditional country album, people may be worried that she's going to alienate the part of her fan base now that's praying for more crossover appeal- the listeners that are more mainstream listeners (even like myself). Again, there's two routes to take. Record an album that's modern country, and pop radio-friendly, and roll with the current trend (which eventually will grow tired), or do something bold and record a traditional country album that will reel in more country listeners and make her more well-respected and solidify her legend status, so that ten or twenty years from now when she slows things down, she'll have the status of the greats like Reba, Martina, Trisha and Faith. Some people may not agree with this, but I don't see Taylor ever reaching that status. And I don't say that just because of the whole Taylor vs. Carrie rivalry that permeates this board, but I say it because she's the biggest thing in Country right now next to Carrie. Taylor is going to be well known for appealing to the masses- having music that even pop-leaning listeners will like to hear from time to time. Carrie (if she goes the traditional route for the next album) is going to solidify her status as a Country superstar- one of the leading ladies who's name will go down in Country history.
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Post by Stephen on Dec 30, 2008 20:12:49 GMT -5
i think FOTF will be what Y&B was for SH, a song that will be used whenever she needed another edgy song for a live performance Sadly, I agree. I think ITYS will be the final single from the CR era. Would I have wanted this from the start? No. I've been a major Carrie fan since the AI days, but I'll admit that I'm becoming somewhat less interested in her since the material is becoming the same ol' same ol'. Power ballads, cheery inspirational songs, and upbeat edgy pop-friendly songs like LN, BHC, and FOTF. ITYS is something that's really going to pull Carrie in a different direction, and I think (like many others have said already) that it's only going to make her more well-respected in the Country music industry. Kudos to her because I really feel that this was her idea- she always talks about how she loves traditional country music and I really feel like that's the direction we're going to see on the new album as well, unless ITYS flops as a single, which I doubt it will. I'm not trying to start arguments or debates here by any means, but Carrie is at a crossroads where she can do one of two things to retain interest amongst current fans and gain new ones. Go the Taylor Swift route and make an album that's modern "country" tailored for pop crossover, or dig up her roots and go the more traditional route. Like cufan7 said, this is a bold move, that as a hardcore fan, even I believe she desperately needs right now to make her stand out and start a new trend in Country music. She needs to do something to make her stand out, because up and comer TS is only going to draw more and more attention as she brings in more mainstream listeners. She has the pipes to do it, and she truly appreciates the traditional country roots, so if the void is there to be filled, why not fill it? Doesn't hurt to give it a shot. Also, in terms of releasing a traditional country album, people may be worried that she's going to alienate the part of her fan base now that's praying for more crossover appeal- the listeners that are more mainstream listeners (even like myself). Again, there's two routes to take. Record an album that's modern country, and pop radio-friendly, and roll with the current trend (which eventually will grow tired), or do something bold and record a traditional country album that will reel in more country listeners and make her more well-respected and solidify her legend status, so that ten or twenty years from now when she slows things down, she'll have the status of the greats like Reba, Martina, Trisha and Faith. Some people may not agree with this, but I don't see Taylor ever reaching that status. And I don't say that just because of the whole Taylor vs. Carrie rivalry that permeates this board, but I say it because she's the biggest thing in Country right now next to Carrie. Taylor is going to be well known for appealing to the masses- having music that even pop-leaning listeners will like to hear from time to time. Carrie (if she goes the traditional route for the next album) is going to solidify her status as a Country superstar- one of the leading ladies who's name will go down in Country history. Brilliant post. I agree with every point made, but I would like to build upon the point that fans will be alienated. I guarantee you that her fan base will follow Carrie in the direction she chooses to go in for at least one more album, and by then she'll have a whole new crop of fans (traditionalists) to replace those who abandoned her after hearing her new CD. However, I am willing to bet that many of her mans will remain with her for the long run.
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Post by _adriano. on Dec 30, 2008 20:47:03 GMT -5
I just don't understand the point that people make when they say Carrie needs to do something in order to outshine Taylor, either by selling more or having more number one hits, when they clearly seem to have different goals in their career (although we can't know for sure what's in their minds, we can guide ourselves by their decisions so far). All I want to say is that Taylor's success shouldn't be taken into consideration when Carrie and her laber decide what direction the next album will take... and I honestly think they won't.
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Post by kw9461 on Dec 30, 2008 23:18:46 GMT -5
I think some of you are getting carried away by calling this a "traditional country" song. In its original form by Randy Travis, it was a traditional country song. While I do like Carrie's version, it's not really all that traditional. I can hear piano in the background, but everything else seems to be compressed together (which is the norm these days), especially during the chorus. This is still modern contemporary country, it just isn't as overly pop as JAD or some of her other songs. What the song does do is show that Carrie has an appreciation for country music's past. But I really don't hear this as any sort of change in direction for Carrie's music.
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Post by Stephen on Dec 30, 2008 23:30:40 GMT -5
I think some of you are getting carried away by calling this a "traditional country" song. In its original form by Randy Travis, it was a traditional country song. While I do like Carrie's version, it's not really all that traditional. I can hear piano in the background, but everything else seems to be compressed together (which is the norm these days), especially during the chorus. This is still modern contemporary country, it just isn't as overly pop as JAD or some of her other songs. What the song does do is show that Carrie has an appreciation for country music's past. But I really don't hear this as any sort of change in direction for Carrie's music. I agree the term "traditional" should be used loosely, but what people are trying to express is that this song was recorded mostly as a way to show respect to Randy Travis, who is a traditional artist. I don't think anyone expected Carrie to release this as a single, so this is a different direction considering people are expecting country-pop from her. This may not be traditional, but I don't consider this country-pop or a country hybrid of any sort. If this does well I'm sure we'll get a more sparse country production next time around.
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Post by phoenixwillrise on Dec 31, 2008 9:40:57 GMT -5
I like I Told You So... but would never have thought it would be a single... Get Out Of This Town, The More Boys I Meet, Flat On The Floor or I Know You Wont (if they wanted another ballad) would have been better choices as the 5th single in my opinion...
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Post by monuda89 on Jan 3, 2009 3:04:30 GMT -5
If they were going for a ballad, IKYW would've been a much better choice. Oh well.
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Post by freeman on Jan 3, 2009 13:37:21 GMT -5
It should be announced within a few days that this is or is not a single. I'm guessing Monday
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Post by Stephen on Jan 3, 2009 21:40:26 GMT -5
Vinman posted this information in the album thread before I could, but some at the OFC called Whitney and asked about ITYS and she said it would be the next single and that Carrie will be singing it on Wednesday.
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Post by cufan7 on Jan 3, 2009 21:50:21 GMT -5
Vinman posted this information in the album thread before I could, but some at the OFC called Whitney and asked about ITYS and she said it would be the next single and that Carrie will be singing it on Wednesday. Performing a traditional country song in front of a mainstream audience. What it might not do for sales will be made up for in artistic credibility.
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Post by lyrichord on Jan 4, 2009 2:27:50 GMT -5
I don't really hear any huge difference between ITYS and Carrie's other songs. Drum machine, check, violins/fiddle, check, piano, check. The only reason the whole "traditional" thing is brought up is because it's a Randy Travis song. I doubt any casual viewer of the PCAs (assuming that rumor is true) is going to come away thinking, boy that song is soooo country and out of place. Most people are probably just gonna think pretty song, pretty girl. *Shrug*
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Post by cufan7 on Jan 4, 2009 2:36:09 GMT -5
I don't really hear any huge difference between ITYS and Carrie's other songs. Drum machine, check, violins/fiddle, check, piano, check. The only reason the whole "traditional" thing is brought up is because it's a Randy Travis song. I doubt any casual viewer of the PCAs (assuming that rumor is true) is going to come away thinking, boy that song is soooo country and out of place. Most people are probably just gonna think pretty song, pretty girl. *Shrug* I definitely think it is the most country song Carrie has ever recorded. No one words phrases like that in songs anymore. Just cause it is a bigger production doesn't mean it's not traditional. I think the lyrics make that song traditional.
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Post by Stephen on Jan 4, 2009 2:38:45 GMT -5
Lyrichlord, hopefully viewers will want to download the song off iTunes with the last of their giftcard money then.
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Post by jeff on Jan 4, 2009 10:54:41 GMT -5
I don't really hear any huge difference between ITYS and Carrie's other songs. Drum machine, check, violins/fiddle, check, piano, check. The only reason the whole "traditional" thing is brought up is because it's a Randy Travis song. I doubt any casual viewer of the PCAs (assuming that rumor is true) is going to come away thinking, boy that song is soooo country and out of place. Most people are probably just gonna think pretty song, pretty girl. *Shrug* yea, i think only country listeners will know that its a cover of a traditional song, and know its a show of appreciation to her idol. i think what people are thinking is that a slower kind of song isnt right for the PCAs on a side note, does everyone use the drum machine these days? lol i actually hope Carrie gets Garrett to be her studio musician, (he plays drums on her tour), because i think he's really good
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Post by cufan7 on Jan 5, 2009 13:01:55 GMT -5
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Post by John77 on Jan 5, 2009 13:39:12 GMT -5
You might want to properly attribute this.
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Post by Taylor. on Jan 5, 2009 13:44:01 GMT -5
Impacts 2/2 according to All Access.
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Post by John77 on Jan 5, 2009 13:50:42 GMT -5
Impacts 2/2 according to All Access. That would make it official, I believe. Thanks, Taylor!
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Post by zaclord on Jan 5, 2009 14:42:51 GMT -5
i am excited about this now! this has grown on me tremendously
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Post by rowdawg21 on Jan 5, 2009 15:17:37 GMT -5
This has always been one of my favorite songs on Carnival Ride, so I'm glad they decided to release it. I'm not sure if it will hit #1, but I would never bet against a Carrie song. If it doesn't hit #1 on Billboard, that would make my two favorite Carrie singles her only singles not to hit #1 on Billboard.
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Post by imafan on Jan 5, 2009 16:31:22 GMT -5
I love this song and the way Carrie sings it. So glad it is the new single. I am surpised but thrilled that Carrie and her team decided to release it.
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Post by EPG on Jan 5, 2009 16:32:11 GMT -5
Surprised but finally glad it's confirmed!
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Post by Stephen on Jan 5, 2009 16:33:21 GMT -5
Excellent. I find it funny how some country fans are now criticizing Carrie for releasing a traditional country track because she misinterprets it apparently. People love to hate, don't they?
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jan 5, 2009 16:51:15 GMT -5
Excellent. I find it funny how some country fans are now criticizing Carrie for releasing a traditional country track because she misinterprets it apparently. People love to hate, don't they? Or, you know, that's just their opinion and it's as valid and as biased as yours. I'm aware there are some blog commenters who are guilty of kneejerk reactions against Carrie, but it really doesn't advance conversation when you sweep broadly and imply (whether intentionally or not) that anyone who thinks Carrie didn't do a good job interpreting the song is "hating." Personally, I like Carrie's studio version but I think her concert versions of this are more mature from an interpretive standpoint, and more well-modulated, too. Just to show that people hear Carrie's version of this very differently, here are a couple of ITYS mentions in CR album reviews. From Michael McCall's AP review of the album: From Kelefa Sanneh's NY Times review of the album:Both happen to like her version but have very different takes on how it sounds. No doubt, some will think Carrie oversings some or all of the lyrics, others will find this performance restrained (relatively or absolutely). Regardless, I'm very interested in seeing how this song fares on the country chart.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Jan 5, 2009 18:30:48 GMT -5
I always thought this, JaD, LN, and IKYW were the critic darlings, so Im perfectly happy with this being released from a critical standpoint. *Shrugs* Anyhow, I wonder how much the promotion cost for that clip.
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Post by freeman on Jan 5, 2009 19:33:17 GMT -5
Great single choice. Wow at the adds date. Pretty far off. I bet it's to drag out the life of the single so they have a shorter time between this single and the 1st single off the next album! :) I know it's 2 ballads in a row now, but that doesn't matter. After all it may mean now that the 1st single off the next album will be upbeat. :)
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Post by John77 on Jan 5, 2009 20:03:28 GMT -5
Great single choice. Wow at the adds date. Pretty far off. I bet it's to drag out the life of the single so they have a shorter time between this single and the 1st single off the next album! :) I know it's 2 ballads in a row now, but that doesn't matter. After all it may mean now that the 1st single off the next album will be upbeat. :) Or she could throw everyone off and release a mid-tempo!
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