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Post by fran182 on May 7, 2009 13:05:25 GMT -5
Today, it reached top 20 on Mediabase Alternative:
22 18 DAVE MATTHEWS BAND Funny The Way It Is 698 585 113 2.110
53 stations playing.
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Post by Young Money on May 7, 2009 14:23:11 GMT -5
wow nice
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Post by My Life Is A Stereo on May 10, 2009 5:55:02 GMT -5
So I guess I have to admit now that I love this song. After saying I've never really like DMB I knew that was going to happen.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 10, 2009 9:43:12 GMT -5
I think it'll do better than "Wrong" because it will have more young fans behind it, and the song will do well at multiple formats. This song unlike "Wrong" will actually be a popular hit in my opinion. I think top 10 is realistic if KROQ ever gets behind this. Yeah no one in L. A. is playin this (except for its low rated Triple A 10x a week) - same in NYC except it's gettin 22 plays a week on their Triple A, and don't think the ratings are that high...DMB is bein left outta the two biggest markets in the U. S. >:(
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Post by Matt4319 on May 10, 2009 10:02:35 GMT -5
22 18 DAVE MATTHEWS BAND Funny The Way It Is 718 608 110
Gained only 20 spins in 3 days, but its bullet only decreased by 3. Expect it to fall further this week unless it makes a turnaround.
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Post by Young Money on May 17, 2009 13:24:56 GMT -5
17 DAVE MATTHEWS BAND Funny The Way It Is 755 718 37
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Post by @DiegoMarcondes_ on May 26, 2009 21:44:18 GMT -5
The album has leaked
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Post by pen on May 28, 2009 8:15:10 GMT -5
I object to being stereotyped as a "redneck" or "teenager" seeing as how I am neither. I like both Shinedown and DMB. Where do I fit in your internal lexicon? Personally I find that kind of offensive, actually.
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Post by PHOBES on May 28, 2009 10:48:01 GMT -5
It's quite apparent he has an issue with alternative radio.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 28, 2009 15:05:57 GMT -5
^Yeah hold up...tons on teens are DMB fans - the Alternatives that are more similar to Actives don't play him cause the mix would just sound too weird IMO (and a lot have AAA in their town playin Dave anyway)
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Post by Ron57 on May 28, 2009 15:19:45 GMT -5
I honestly think that DMB is not liked by a lot of alternative listeners because of a maturity and intelligence issue. Many alternative listeners listen for riffs, lots of distortion, and post grunge. Most modern rock bands today use noise as their chief effect. DMB and other jam bands use grooves and melodies. When you go to DMB concerts, you don't see rednecks and teenagers like you would at a Shinedown concert. It's a different kind of person that likes DMB. I like both...just as Pen said. There may be a lot of people that go to a concert and say "OmG LOL!! SHINDOWN CONCERT!!!111one!!!" But classifying everyone that likes a certain band into one category is just hypocritical. And offensive.
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Post by Cody on May 28, 2009 21:40:25 GMT -5
Well as a high schooler about to graduate this Monday I can safely say that I know some metal heads on their way to med school, no joke, so there goes your theory about how smart people only like smart music.
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Post by Matt4319 on May 28, 2009 21:44:47 GMT -5
Well, back to the song... 17 18 DAVE MATTHEWS BAND Funny The Way It Is 614 724 -110
Looks like even my conservative prediction (#13 peak) was giving Alternative radio too much credit.
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Post by summers on May 28, 2009 22:06:25 GMT -5
I didn't know DMB is releasing a new album. I love them, but haven't really been following them lately. Looking forward for this!
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Post by atlantaboy on May 28, 2009 22:21:42 GMT -5
Well, back to the song... 17 18 DAVE MATTHEWS BAND Funny The Way It Is 614 724 -110 Looks like even my conservative prediction (#13 peak) was giving Alternative radio too much credit. what a shame. It's not his core format anymore though (I guess that's a shame) - thinkin he did really well though on a format where half the stations lean Active...luckily for him AAA has grown ridiculously in the last couple years, and IMO they'll be replaying this forever
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Post by crash46 on May 28, 2009 23:06:29 GMT -5
Yeah, once they stopped getting adds, it was only a matter of time before it started tumbling off. It's the type of song that you had to figure it'd get just about all its stations on board right out of the gate. So yeah, sucks that it's done, but a #17 peak is a lot better than I would have expected out of The DMB in 2009.
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Post by pen on May 28, 2009 23:48:11 GMT -5
Like I said, there are many people that are truly their own. I am talking overall. Besides, if you're in high school, they're going to pre-med, not exactly med school. And let me know if they pass freshman year. Anyone can sign up for any major. Only the bright become doctors. I think what you are basically doing is trying to justify narrow opinions through stereotypes, which, while they do have a basis in reality, otherwise they would not be stereotypes, they do not represent the population as a whole. Now I realize you backpedaled and made room for that, but I think your opinions should be equally updated. You shouldn't try to box people into labels. And furthermore, you're in right in that we shouldn't put words in your mouth, but aren't you putting words in the mouth of "a LOT of alternative listeners"?
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Post by jvandyck87 on May 29, 2009 0:19:26 GMT -5
I stand by what I said and here is why. I'm not even a DMB fan myself. But I can honestly tell you that DMB songs require more talent and execution than most songs on alternative rock. "Funny the Way It Is" is way more complex than typical three-chord alternative songs. More complex people enjoy more complex pleasures, usually. And about the whole stereotyping thing, I still stand by what I said. Society expects hippies and transcendentalists to listen to folk and experimental. We all subconsciously see rap and hiphop dominated by African-Americans. Otherwise, Eminem's status as "white rapper" wouldn't matter to anyone. When was the last time you saw someone with a Ph. D headbanging to Shinedown or Slipknot for that matter? There are many people who transcend barriers and are truly their own. That is why I said they're not liked by "a LOT of alternative listeners." I didn't say everyone. Don't try to put words in my mouth. The average metal band is more complex harmonically and rhythmically than the average jam band. And I´m going to be obnoxious in my details just to point out how little you know and how far off you are. Jam bands such as Dave Matthews band rely primarily on modes of the Major scale for pitch vocabulary. For example, even their minor modes are usually Aeolian or Dorian which are just the major scale shifted. No biggie. Metal bands on the other hand often use eastern modes such as phrygian dominant, gypsy scale, or hungarian scale in addition to the standard western modes as well as synthetic hexatonic and octatonic scales most commonly used by 20th Century composers. Have any idea what I´m talking about? Probably not, but Slipknot and Shinedown use them...jam bands, not so much (though DMB used phrygian dominant on the ¨The Last Stop. Then, I´ll give you that DMB´s drummer is awesome, but so is Slipknot´s. And no, it´s not just double-kick brutality. ¨Dead Memories¨relies on melody and groove plenty. And ¨Second Chance¨ by Shinedown has way more memorable melodies than ¨Funny the Way It Is.¨ There´s a reason why it´s the biggest rock hit of the last year on pop. And you can say what you want about three chord songs. (The # of chords doesn´t really mean anything, but I´ll humor you.) I´d like you to count the # of chords used in each song...oh wait, you probably don´t have an ear qualified enough to do that, so you probably shouldn´t be using that as your evidence in the first place. ¨Funny The Way It Is¨uses seven chords: A minor, G Major, F Major, C Major, B minor, Bb Major, D minor. Shinedown´s ¨Second Chance¨uses six chords: C minor, Eb Major, Ab Major, F Major, F minor, and Bb Major (wow OMG that´s one less, that means it´s like...totally worse, right?) And if you wanna talk about intelligence, just because you have infuriated me, I´m a music major at Yale University, and my favorite genre is metal. So suck on that.
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Post by pen on May 29, 2009 0:23:41 GMT -5
That was beautiful. I cried.
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Post by jvandyck87 on May 29, 2009 0:25:43 GMT -5
I try. =)
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Post by My Life Is A Stereo on May 29, 2009 11:22:51 GMT -5
I cried too....only because I didn't understand any of it, lol.....
but I get the point you make.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 29, 2009 15:11:43 GMT -5
^Yeah the two most popular formats targeted towards University Areas are Alternative (including those that lean Active) and Triple A...IMO both "jam bands" and "Active" bands have musical intricacies - biggest difference I think is in lyrics and choice of chord progressions (and choice of scales for guitar solos/riffs), but musically don't think either is more complex -
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Post by Ron57 on May 29, 2009 15:30:16 GMT -5
I stand by what I said and here is why. I'm not even a DMB fan myself. But I can honestly tell you that DMB songs require more talent and execution than most songs on alternative rock. "Funny the Way It Is" is way more complex than typical three-chord alternative songs. More complex people enjoy more complex pleasures, usually. And about the whole stereotyping thing, I still stand by what I said. Society expects hippies and transcendentalists to listen to folk and experimental. We all subconsciously see rap and hiphop dominated by African-Americans. Otherwise, Eminem's status as "white rapper" wouldn't matter to anyone. When was the last time you saw someone with a Ph. D headbanging to Shinedown or Slipknot for that matter? There are many people who transcend barriers and are truly their own. That is why I said they're not liked by "a LOT of alternative listeners." I didn't say everyone. Don't try to put words in my mouth. My dad might not have a Ph. D but he is one of the smartest people I know, and is part of a big business, and makes tons of money. He loves both those bands, plus tons more.
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Post by pen on May 31, 2009 21:58:36 GMT -5
I don't think there's a significant difference in quality between the lyrics here. They both have strong messages, one being positive (Shinedown), the other being kind of ambivalent (Dave Matthews). Sure, there's a lot more analogy going on in Dave's song, but both I think have potential to mean something to someone. It's not like Shinedown is singing about downing beers.
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Post by pen on May 31, 2009 22:13:15 GMT -5
Okay, but lots of bands have done the whole "Wow, the world is a fucked up place" message before too, so I don't think there's anything original about that either. But I don't personally care about originality in lyrics so much as it is delivered with passion and conviction, and I think both songs deliver on that.
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Post by pen on May 31, 2009 22:22:34 GMT -5
I agree that both songs lyrically are passionate and performed well. I wouldn't say the message of this one is how screwed up the world is as it is "Irony is all around you." The "f**ked up" message goes away with "Funny the way it is. Not right or wrong." But whatever, I'm pretty much done arguing on this one. Well that's what I mean, when I say fucked up I don't mean that it's wrong, I just mean it's crazy. "Funny".
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 1, 2009 15:34:01 GMT -5
Don't understand how Second Chance is bein used to represent a typical "metal" song...unless you guys are comparin FTWIS to both metal and straight rock
If you all are talkin about why CHR would go for SC about FTWIS, IMO Second Chance is much simpler (musically and lyrically) but has a main theme that teens/tweens can more easily relate to
FTWIS is filled with more complex instrumentation (more complex percussion, instrumental interludes, etc.), and has a more intellectual theme (and IMO lyrics that prob. go over the heads of many younger CHR listeners)...forget CHR, it was even too complex I think for Hot AC - think most of Dave's big CHR/HAC hits have been much simpler (The Space Between, Where Are You Going, Everyday, Crash Into Me, etc.)
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Post by pen on Jun 1, 2009 15:46:50 GMT -5
Wow, you know, I hate music fans.
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Post by Ron57 on Jun 1, 2009 21:33:19 GMT -5
Why don't we all shoot eachother in the foot and call it a night?
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Post by PHOBES on Jun 1, 2009 22:29:31 GMT -5
I stand by what I said and here is why. I'm not even a DMB fan myself. But I can honestly tell you that DMB songs require more talent and execution than most songs on alternative rock. "Funny the Way It Is" is way more complex than typical three-chord alternative songs. More complex people enjoy more complex pleasures, usually. And about the whole stereotyping thing, I still stand by what I said. Society expects hippies and transcendentalists to listen to folk and experimental. We all subconsciously see rap and hiphop dominated by African-Americans. Otherwise, Eminem's status as "white rapper" wouldn't matter to anyone. When was the last time you saw someone with a Ph. D headbanging to Shinedown or Slipknot for that matter? There are many people who transcend barriers and are truly their own. That is why I said they're not liked by "a LOT of alternative listeners." I didn't say everyone. Don't try to put words in my mouth. The average metal band is more complex harmonically and rhythmically than the average jam band. And I´m going to be obnoxious in my details just to point out how little you know and how far off you are. Jam bands such as Dave Matthews band rely primarily on modes of the Major scale for pitch vocabulary. For example, even their minor modes are usually Aeolian or Dorian which are just the major scale shifted. No biggie. Metal bands on the other hand often use eastern modes such as phrygian dominant, gypsy scale, or hungarian scale in addition to the standard western modes as well as synthetic hexatonic and octatonic scales most commonly used by 20th Century composers. Have any idea what I´m talking about? Probably not, but Slipknot and Shinedown use them...jam bands, not so much (though DMB used phrygian dominant on the ¨The Last Stop. Then, I´ll give you that DMB´s drummer is awesome, but so is Slipknot´s. And no, it´s not just double-kick brutality. ¨Dead Memories¨relies on melody and groove plenty. And ¨Second Chance¨ by Shinedown has way more memorable melodies than ¨Funny the Way It Is.¨ There´s a reason why it´s the biggest rock hit of the last year on pop. And you can say what you want about three chord songs. (The # of chords doesn´t really mean anything, but I´ll humor you.) I´d like you to count the # of chords used in each song...oh wait, you probably don´t have an ear qualified enough to do that, so you probably shouldn´t be using that as your evidence in the first place. ¨Funny The Way It Is¨uses seven chords: A minor, G Major, F Major, C Major, B minor, Bb Major, D minor. Shinedown´s ¨Second Chance¨uses six chords: C minor, Eb Major, Ab Major, F Major, F minor, and Bb Major (wow OMG that´s one less, that means it´s like...totally worse, right?) And if you wanna talk about intelligence, just because you have infuriated me, I´m a music major at Yale University, and my favorite genre is metal. So suck on that. I'm so proud of myself, my puny little Community College Music Appreciation class allowed me to understand that. A year ago I'd be lost. To think I was discussing time signatures with a Yale student is humbling.
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