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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jun 2, 2009 3:02:46 GMT -5
Haha no we were just arguing about alt. Some random kid brought up metal. So we started arguing about metal too. You meant to say "Some kid randomly brought up metal." Because between Cody, jvandyck87 (whomever you meant of the two), and yourself, you would be the "random kid" here.
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Post by pen on Jun 2, 2009 10:03:54 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the reason people got "all up on arms" is not because you differentiated metal, but how you differentiated metal. Don't confuse the forest for the trees. And besides, Shinedown isn't metal anyway, or at least not by any mainstream definition of metal, but that's picking nits with the main point.
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Post by crash46 on Jun 3, 2009 22:20:03 GMT -5
If you all are talkin about why CHR would go for SC about FTWIS, IMO Second Chance is much simpler (musically and lyrically) but has a main theme that teens/tweens can more easily relate to I don't think there's a difference in the simplicity and relatability of the lyrics and it's a bit disappointing actually how "Funny" didn't even take a shot at CHR. Somebody had basically the exact same idea thirteen years ago and took it to #1 for four weeks by singing about rain on your wedding day (among other scenarios). This should have at least made the top 40.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 4, 2009 6:59:24 GMT -5
If you all are talkin about why CHR would go for SC about FTWIS, IMO Second Chance is much simpler (musically and lyrically) but has a main theme that teens/tweens can more easily relate to I don't think there's a difference in the simplicity and relatability of the lyrics and it's a bit disappointing actually how "Funny" didn't even take a shot at CHR. Somebody had basically the exact same idea thirteen years ago and took it to #1 for four weeks by singing about rain on your wedding day (among other scenarios). This should have at least made the top 40. Yeah just IMO difference is that Alanis really wrote her hit so the hook was simple enough for CHR (basically centered around the word Ironic), also the band didn't "jam" in between verses, and the beat was simple and pop-friendly - IMO no way Dave wrote this track for pop All that bein said, I'd much rather listen to FTWII than Ironic
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Post by Young Money on Jun 4, 2009 11:39:26 GMT -5
Isn't this like #60 on pop right now?
It has like 130 spins on pop currently
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 4, 2009 16:37:46 GMT -5
^Not sure but know label never even sent it for CHR adds...think it's prob. small market stations that lean Alt.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jun 5, 2009 14:45:39 GMT -5
Since we were just on the subject of alternative versus metal, who else here thinks "Big Whiskey & the Groogrux King" is not only their most electric guitar-heavy album, but "Shake Me Like A Monkey" sounds very close to a cross between an 80's metal arena anthem and Oingo Boingo?
The guitar crunches in that song sound semi-metal to me.
Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Young Money on Jun 5, 2009 23:16:20 GMT -5
This is getting a 2nd life at alternative.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jun 5, 2009 23:28:13 GMT -5
^Yeah saw that positive bullet - not sure it means new stations are adding though
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2009 3:59:41 GMT -5
Great to see this gaining again...
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Post by singingsparrow on Jun 6, 2009 16:00:40 GMT -5
Great to see this gaining again... I don't think it's gaining again. I think its spins have been inflated following the Memorial Day weekend. We probably shouldn't expect the chart to return to normalcy until Tuesday morning. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by fran182 on Jun 10, 2009 18:08:41 GMT -5
Yesterday, I listened to this song for the first time and I must say I loved it immediately. I'm surprised! I never thought I would like something from DMB as much as I like this! This is also a lesson! Even if I don't enjoy an artist/band music that much, I should at least give a try to their new stuff! I downloaded the album. Heard 4/5 songs so far. I also like "Shake Me Like A Monkey" a lot! It's strange that I only can see the appeal of DMB's music at such a late stage of their career. No, I'm not being sarcastic!
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Post by singingsparrow on Jun 10, 2009 19:45:13 GMT -5
Yesterday, I listened to this song for the first time and I must say I loved it immediately. I'm surprised! I never thought I would like something from DMB as much as I like this! This is also a lesson! Even if I don't enjoy an artist/band music that much, I should at least give a try to their new stuff! I downloaded the album. Heard 4/5 songs so far. I also like "Shake Me Like A Monkey" a lot! It's strange that I only can see the appeal of DMB's music at such a late stage of their career. No, I'm not being sarcastic! Perhaps their earlier music didn't grow on you as well as you would have liked because it was less concise and had more of a jam-session vibe, which sounds beautiful but can also have a meandering feel to some listeners. I think "Big Whiskey & The GrooGrux King" does a great job presenting more concise songs without distilling all that jam-band flavor that has made the band as legendary as it is in the United States (they're sadly pretty much unknown in most other countries). You can tell with "Everyday" they tried to adopt to a more concise form of songwriting, but it backfired because it felt in the most part more like a Dave Matthews solo album and Glen Ballard co-wrote almost all the album's tracks. It didn't work with "Stand Up" either for much the same reason, although it had its moments like "American Baby", "Louisiana Bayou" and "Hungry For The Great Light". Here, this album feels like a strong collection of songs, but all at once also sounding like a classic Dave Matthews Band album, with just a bit more guitar crunch (surely Rob Cavallo's fingerprints there). Even on longer tracks like "Squirm" and "Lying In The Hands Of God" the songs sound organized and focused, where I love the former especially in that Dave Matthews channels his inner-Eddie Vedder on the chorus (he does that on "Time Bomb" too, where he just lets all his rage and desperation pour out toward the end of the song after the more eerily soft-spoken first half). I think "Squirm", "Time Bomb", "Shake Me Like A Monkey" and "My Baby Blue" all have potential to be especially electrifying setlist additions. In fact, "Seven" is the only track from the album I think may come across as annoying in concert because of the highly repetitive "love you, love you, you, you, you, you..." in the song's chorus..........yet at the same time the Dave Matthews Band is well-known for making even their most weakest album tracks sound far more listenable live. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jun 10, 2009 20:52:41 GMT -5
Jdtink18, just to address the random kid who brought metal into this comment, that random kid good sir would be you. When was the last time you saw someone with a Ph. D headbanging to Shinedown or Slipknot for that matter? I believe Slipknot would qualify as metal, and you allied them with Shinedown as the axis of evil against good ol' DMB, so thus I defended the hard rock/metal community as a whole. But just know that you brought metal into this, not I. ----- And to Phobia, a good music class at a community college with a good professor will match up just fine with a Yale music class as long as you have the musicianship to get the material out of it. ----- As for the album, I've been in Brazil for two weeks, but I intend to check it out upon my return to the USA this weekend along with the new Dredg album. Did any other major alt/rock albums come out in the last couple weeks? I feel fairly behind on the new releases.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jun 11, 2009 3:01:30 GMT -5
Did any other major alt/rock albums come out in the last couple weeks? I feel fairly behind on the new releases. You mentioned Dredg already (hopefully I'll be buying that tomorrow), but if you're a fan of Anti-Flag, Kasabian, Placebo, Sonic Youth, Rancid, Taking Back Sunday, 311, The Sounds, or the Eels, you're in luck.
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Post by Young Money on Jun 11, 2009 12:50:02 GMT -5
Yesterday, I listened to this song for the first time and I must say I loved it immediately. I'm surprised! I never thought I would like something from DMB as much as I like this! This is also a lesson! Even if I don't enjoy an artist/band music that much, I should at least give a try to their new stuff! I downloaded the album. Heard 4/5 songs so far. I also like "Shake Me Like A Monkey" a lot! It's strange that I only can see the appeal of DMB's music at such a late stage of their career. No, I'm not being sarcastic! Perhaps their earlier music didn't grow on you as well as you would have liked because it was less concise and had more of a jam-session vibe, which sounds beautiful but can also have a meandering feel to some listeners. I think "Big Whiskey & The GrooGrux King" does a great job presenting more concise songs without distilling all that jam-band flavor that has made the band as legendary as it is in the United States (they're sadly pretty much unknown in most other countries). You can tell with "Everyday" they tried to adopt to a more concise form of songwriting, but it backfired because it felt in the most part more like a Dave Matthews solo album and Glen Ballard co-wrote almost all the album's tracks. It didn't work with "Stand Up" either for much the same reason, although it had its moments like "American Baby", "Louisiana Bayou" and "Hungry For The Great Light". Here, this album feels like a strong collection of songs, but all at once also sounding like a classic Dave Matthews Band album, with just a bit more guitar crunch (surely Rob Cavallo's fingerprints there). Even on longer tracks like "Squirm" and "Lying In The Hands Of God" the songs sound organized and focused, where I love the former especially in that Dave Matthews channels his inner-Eddie Vedder on the chorus (he does that on "Time Bomb" too, where he just lets all his rage and desperation pour out toward the end of the song after the more eerily soft-spoken first half). I think "Squirm", "Time Bomb", "Shake Me Like A Monkey" and "My Baby Blue" all have potential to be especially electrifying setlist additions. In fact, "Seven" is the only track from the album I think may come across as annoying in concert because of the highly repetitive "love you, love you, you, you, you, you..." in the song's chorus..........yet at the same time the Dave Matthews Band is well-known for making even their most weakest album tracks sound far more listenable live. Sincerely, Noah Eaton Most fans HATE "Bayou". They consider it one of the bands worse songs. Also, it is "Hunger For The Great Light" not "Hungry" The band also has a pretty decent following overseas for sure. They have toured many times there, and they have a Europe tour for later this summer. The second single is "Why I Am".
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Jun 11, 2009 13:04:04 GMT -5
Why I Am is great! I am glad it's the second single. It's my "go-to" song on the album as well as Monkey and Time Bomb. I LOVE Bayou btw and I am a HUGE fan of DMB. Hunger is also one of my favorite DMB songs.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jun 12, 2009 1:04:47 GMT -5
Perhaps their earlier music didn't grow on you as well as you would have liked because it was less concise and had more of a jam-session vibe, which sounds beautiful but can also have a meandering feel to some listeners. I think "Big Whiskey & The GrooGrux King" does a great job presenting more concise songs without distilling all that jam-band flavor that has made the band as legendary as it is in the United States (they're sadly pretty much unknown in most other countries). You can tell with "Everyday" they tried to adopt to a more concise form of songwriting, but it backfired because it felt in the most part more like a Dave Matthews solo album and Glen Ballard co-wrote almost all the album's tracks. It didn't work with "Stand Up" either for much the same reason, although it had its moments like "American Baby", "Louisiana Bayou" and "Hungry For The Great Light". Here, this album feels like a strong collection of songs, but all at once also sounding like a classic Dave Matthews Band album, with just a bit more guitar crunch (surely Rob Cavallo's fingerprints there). Even on longer tracks like "Squirm" and "Lying In The Hands Of God" the songs sound organized and focused, where I love the former especially in that Dave Matthews channels his inner-Eddie Vedder on the chorus (he does that on "Time Bomb" too, where he just lets all his rage and desperation pour out toward the end of the song after the more eerily soft-spoken first half). I think "Squirm", "Time Bomb", "Shake Me Like A Monkey" and "My Baby Blue" all have potential to be especially electrifying setlist additions. In fact, "Seven" is the only track from the album I think may come across as annoying in concert because of the highly repetitive "love you, love you, you, you, you, you..." in the song's chorus..........yet at the same time the Dave Matthews Band is well-known for making even their most weakest album tracks sound far more listenable live. Sincerely, Noah Eaton Most fans HATE "Bayou". They consider it one of the bands worse songs. Also, it is "Hunger For The Great Light" not "Hungry" The band also has a pretty decent following overseas for sure. They have toured many times there, and they have a Europe tour for later this summer. The second single is "Why I Am". I happen to think "Louisiana Bayou" is one of the few tracks from "Stand Up" that has aged well since its release. The band genuinely sound like they're jamming and all feel engaged in the music on that track, even if the lyrics are nonsensical (which Dave Matthews has a long-running reputation for that, even when it works to his advantage often) There's some tracks I liked when I first heard "Stand Up", but since then haven't aged very well to me. "Out Of My Hands" is one of them, in addition to "Smooth Rider", which in concert sounds nothing like the original. In terms of commercial success, though, the band are pretty much unknown on foreign charts. Virtually all their album sales are in the United States. I like "Why I Am" (the riff that drives the song kind of reminds me of the one that drives No Doubt's "Spiderwebs" for some reason) and I think it's a sensible second single choice given it has an upbeat sound following the pensiveness of "Funny The Way It Is". That said, I hope "Dive In" is eventually released, though I won't be surprised to see "You & Me" released instead. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by allow that on Jun 13, 2009 7:37:00 GMT -5
The band also has a pretty decent following overseas for sure. They have toured many times there, and they have a Europe tour for later this summer. The band has made a name for themselves by touring Australia, which is basically the only other market they "broke" outside of US/Canada. They're coming here to England for a few gigs this summer. They have two shows at Brixton Academy in London in about two weeks and they sold out right away with a rather pricey ticket for that matter. I was going to go since I'm sued to seeing them at 20,000+ venues in the NYC area, and here they are playing at Brixton which I think is about 5,000, but no luck! They're also appearing at music festivals across Europe this summer.
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Post by Young Money on Jun 16, 2009 17:31:24 GMT -5
Yeah, they are doing well :)
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