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Post by BrokenArrow on Jul 8, 2009 10:33:43 GMT -5
There is, this is fact. The US charts is a virtual closed shop with most international acts locked out. In the UK everyone has to compete on a level playing field. That is a matter of variation, not size. Billboard has dozens of charts for a reason, Top 100's for most genres, whilst the UK has an official Top 40 and that's it. In the US, there are thousands of songs placing on billboard charts all throughout the country and thousands more eligible to chart. This misguided anglophilia of yours is causing you to blanketly fire off whole host of inaccuracies and biased generalizations. I'm not sure what you are on about. Did you not just prove the point I was saying ? The UK has only got the top 40 and it has more competition because US acts have to compete with UK acts as well as acts from the rest of the world. The US has lots of charts and competition from international acts is tiny. So it is harder for a US act to get a hit in the UK than it is in the US. That is why I complimented Jordin for scoring a top 20 hit in the UK. I am accurate - no?
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Post by Jack on Jul 8, 2009 11:35:41 GMT -5
That is a matter of variation, not size. Billboard has dozens of charts for a reason, Top 100's for most genres, whilst the UK has an official Top 40 and that's it. In the US, there are thousands of songs placing on billboard charts all throughout the country and thousands more eligible to chart. This misguided anglophilia of yours is causing you to blanketly fire off whole host of inaccuracies and biased generalizations. I'm not sure what you are on about. Did you not just prove the point I was saying ? The UK has only got the top 40 and it has more competition because US acts have to compete with UK acts as well as acts from the rest of the world. The US has lots of charts and competition from international acts is tiny. So it is harder for a US act to get a hit in the UK than it is in the US. That is why I complimented Jordin for scoring a top 20 hit in the UK. I am accurate - no? Yes. There are more international acts in the top 40 in the UK than there are in the US. Surely this means it's easier to get a hit there if you're an international act, rather than harder? As opposed to if your were an international act trying to get a Top 40 hit in the US?
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Post by justfloating on Jul 8, 2009 11:42:26 GMT -5
That is a matter of variation, not size. Billboard has dozens of charts for a reason, Top 100's for most genres, whilst the UK has an official Top 40 and that's it. In the US, there are thousands of songs placing on billboard charts all throughout the country and thousands more eligible to chart. This misguided anglophilia of yours is causing you to blanketly fire off whole host of inaccuracies and biased generalizations. I'm not sure what you are on about. Did you not just prove the point I was saying ? The UK has only got the top 40 and it has more competition because US acts have to compete with UK acts as well as acts from the rest of the world. The US has lots of charts and competition from international acts is tiny. So it is harder for a US act to get a hit in the UK than it is in the US. That is why I complimented Jordin for scoring a top 20 hit in the UK. I am accurate - no? Everything you have said is accurate but you are drawing the wrong conclusions. Because of the even playing field in the UK, it would be easier for her to get a hit there which has been proven with many other acts from the US who have in fact thrived in the UK because of the embracement of international acts. The US chart is much more difficult for Jordin because of all of the other competition and as you said the thousands of songs charting each week. There is no international competition according to you but there are also more artists in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2009 13:36:55 GMT -5
Over this.. still love Jordin though and excited to hear the album, not listening to the clips.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 8, 2009 14:19:06 GMT -5
I don't think it is as simple as declaring the US or the UK is "easier" to achieve hits. It really depends on the artist, the sound, the timing, etc. Some US acts have found the UK impenetrable while others have smashed. Same the other way around.
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Post by jdanton2 on Jul 8, 2009 14:36:39 GMT -5
Jordin is i think the 2nd most succesful American Idol winner or finalist in the UK only 2nd to Kelly .
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Post by picklerclarkson on Jul 8, 2009 14:41:58 GMT -5
How does Daughtry do in the UK?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2009 14:50:05 GMT -5
His only song to chart to date is "What About Now", which peaked just outside the Top 75 after being featured on Britain's Got Talent a couple of months ago. "I'm Not Over" and "Home" both got commercial releases but failed to chart.
Groups like that are rarely successful in the UK. The biggest I can think of is Nickelback, and even then they've only had two Top 5 hits, and those came six years apart.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2009 14:53:34 GMT -5
I don't think they count airplay, but she has iTunes sales and the Physical release was yesterday. So i don't see why it wouldn't stay there ??? They don't count airplay, but airplay is what will make more people download it. It's not doing horribly in airplay though. It was Top 20 last week.
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Post by jdanton2 on Jul 8, 2009 15:00:14 GMT -5
They don't count airplay, but airplay is what will make more people download it. It's not doing horribly in airplay though. It was Top 20 last week. if you compare it to the overall airplay in the US and if that chart in the UK is an all format chart then its airplay is doing better in the UK then in the US . it is also higher on their download charts than the US as well.
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Post by BrokenArrow on Jul 8, 2009 15:19:09 GMT -5
It's not doing horribly in airplay though. It was Top 20 last week. if you compare it to the overall airplay in the US and if that chart in the UK is an all format chart then its airplay is doing better in the UK then in the US . it is also higher on their download charts than the US as well. There is an airplay chart in the UK, but nobody pays any attention to it other than maybe the labels, its not really published for public consumption.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2009 15:24:39 GMT -5
What, because in the US every office and playground rings with the sound of people talking about the Hot 100 Airplay chart?
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 8, 2009 15:29:01 GMT -5
Airplay doesn't count toward the official chart there. It does here. That is why airplay discussion is a bit more pertinent here. Shrieking that someone has a top 10 airplay hit is not really as relevant in the UK as it is here.
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Post by K. on Jul 8, 2009 19:13:35 GMT -5
What? I go overseas and this thing collapses? I hope it explodes again like WUIV.
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Post by Moneyman202 on Jul 8, 2009 20:31:16 GMT -5
What? I go overseas and this thing collapses? I hope it explodes again like WUIV. What's WUIV?
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Post by picklerclarkson on Jul 8, 2009 20:37:13 GMT -5
^Waking Up In Vegas :)
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Post by Moneyman202 on Jul 8, 2009 20:46:00 GMT -5
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Post by Robot Love on Jul 8, 2009 21:52:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't go so far as saying the song has collapsed. It's at 17 on CHR with a nice bullet.
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Post by Robot Love on Jul 8, 2009 21:54:02 GMT -5
Sends out positive vibes for another good update tomorrow. :)
And, and I seen an ad on TV for the album today!
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Post by groovy on Jul 8, 2009 23:04:14 GMT -5
still #30 BB Hot 100
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Post by Justin. on Jul 8, 2009 23:12:34 GMT -5
^^ At least it's not dropping
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Post by BrokenArrow on Jul 9, 2009 2:20:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you are on about. Did you not just prove the point I was saying ? The UK has only got the top 40 and it has more competition because US acts have to compete with UK acts as well as acts from the rest of the world. The US has lots of charts and competition from international acts is tiny. So it is harder for a US act to get a hit in the UK than it is in the US. That is why I complimented Jordin for scoring a top 20 hit in the UK. I am accurate - no? Everything you have said is accurate but you are drawing the wrong conclusions. Because of the even playing field in the UK, it would be easier for her to get a hit there which has been proven with many other acts from the US who have in fact thrived in the UK because of the embracement of international acts. The US chart is much more difficult for Jordin because of all of the other competition and as you said the thousands of songs charting each week. There is no international competition according to you but there are also more artists in the US. I'll reverse the logic. If US radio was to open its doors to international acts and suddenly the US top 40 filled up with 20 songs from overseas, there are then only 20 slots left for US songs. So it is 50% less likely for a US song to be a hit. Does that make it any clearer ?
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Post by Air Jordin on Jul 9, 2009 6:55:48 GMT -5
19 17 JORDIN SPARKS Battlefield 3815 3503 312 22.931
SPINS: +65 BULLET: +38 AI: +0.567
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Post by justfloating on Jul 9, 2009 7:48:16 GMT -5
Everything you have said is accurate but you are drawing the wrong conclusions. Because of the even playing field in the UK, it would be easier for her to get a hit there which has been proven with many other acts from the US who have in fact thrived in the UK because of the embracement of international acts. The US chart is much more difficult for Jordin because of all of the other competition and as you said the thousands of songs charting each week. There is no international competition according to you but there are also more artists in the US. I'll reverse the logic. If US radio was to open its doors to international acts and suddenly the US top 40 filled up with 20 songs from overseas, there are then only 20 slots left for US songs. So it is 50% less likely for a US song to be a hit. Does that make it any clearer ? Still not making sense. That doesnt take into count the vast difference between the markets. Both are massive, but the number of artists based out of the US charting on both charts is more than those from the UK so the domestic figures you have hypothetically put into place seem inaccurate. The US is not immune to international acts as they are in the charts. They are just not as prevalent as the UK. You can't use reverse logic because the US is different from the UK in population, geography, topography, and anything else. Not better, just different. I am a huge fan of the UK and the charts there because I think it is more accurate but I believe that works heavily in Jordin's favor for this situation. Top 20 is still good for her, but I dont think it was harder to achieve that.
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Post by Jack on Jul 9, 2009 7:50:32 GMT -5
I'll reverse the logic. If US radio was to open its doors to international acts and suddenly the US top 40 filled up with 20 songs from overseas, there are then only 20 slots left for US songs. So it is 50% less likely for a US song to be a hit. Does that make it any clearer ? Still not making sense. That doesnt take into count the vast difference between the markets. Both are massive, but the number of artists based out of the US charting on both charts is more than those from the UK so the domestic figures you have hypothetically put into place seem inaccurate. The US is not immune to international acts as they are in the charts. They are just not as prevalent as the UK. You can't use reverse logic because the US is different from the UK in population, geography, topography, and anything else. Not better, just different. I am a huge fan of the UK and the charts there because I think it is more accurate but I believe that works heavily in Jordin's favor for this situation. Top 20 is still good for her, but I dont think it was harder to achieve that. Exactly. If by the reverse logic there was more of an international presence in the US Top 40, international success here would be considered less 'special' (i.e. Leona getting her number one with Bleeding Love).
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Post by groovy on Jul 9, 2009 8:24:46 GMT -5
down to top 15 on Thursday UK Midweek. Boooooo!!!
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Post by Moneyman202 on Jul 9, 2009 9:57:43 GMT -5
Nice update today. I bet we will be seeing better updates from now on.
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Post by Air Jordin on Jul 9, 2009 10:14:08 GMT -5
#35 on iTunes (#19 excluding MJ songs)
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Post by Justin. on Jul 9, 2009 11:53:08 GMT -5
Nice update today :)
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Post by Air Jordin on Jul 9, 2009 12:05:56 GMT -5
Perez Hilton says "SOS" is the next single. He posted it on his site and said he LOVES it. He then tweeted Jordin saying "I love your new single!" and she responded "Thanks!!". I know it's not a confirmation or anything, but I think it's a great choice!
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