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Post by jvandyck87 on Aug 31, 2010 21:48:24 GMT -5
First of all, an audience that gets you a #1 album is not a NICHE! Second, to say that conquering the pop world means you've conquered the industry as a whole while dominating the rock world makes you somehow lesser is ridiculous. They're a fucking metal band for god's sake. That doesn't mean that they're not huge...that just means 14 year old girls don't know about them.
Small potatoes? Seriously? They're on their way to a fifth straight platinum album in an era where very few artists can consistently put out gold records. Katy Perry's is big right now, but there's no guarantee she's going to even be relevant 8 years from now. At the current rate, I'd give Disturbed a better chance than Katy Perry of getting into the rock & roll hall of fame.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 31, 2010 22:47:23 GMT -5
Exactly.
Indeed, Katy Perry may well have a long career for all we know, who knows. I think it's more likely, however, she'll end up being a commercial Gobstopper............something that tastes infectious to many at first, then is still enticing enough as it changes color going to its next phase, but eventually sours and breaks apart in the mouth of the consumer. No matter.........the consumer will just partake in a new Gobstopper. It's just the way a lot of Mainstream Top 40 careers go.
All I know is, Disturbed have been a flavor of the decade, and considering they've never crossed over to date, their success and staying power have been astonishing. It's also all but certain, among the two acts, Disturbed will have the higher-selling debut and secondary album domestically................something they did not need Top 40 radio and tabloid exposure to achieve.
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Post by slicknickshady on Aug 31, 2010 23:34:01 GMT -5
Well this is my least favorite disturbed album and i have bought every single one. It seems they go more downhill with every release.
The Sickness is Brilliant, Believe is Really good, Ten Thousand Fists is Really good, Indestructible is Good, Asylum is average.
Not a good trend to be on. This new album has the least amount of enjoyable songs. It's really disappointing. Bought it today. Just really is below par of what they have done in the past. I'm seeing them October 15th in Detroit. Hope they play a lot of there early stuff.
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 1, 2010 2:50:42 GMT -5
Well this is my least favorite disturbed album and i have bought every single one. It seems they go more downhill with every release. The Sickness is Brilliant, Believe is Really good, Ten Thousand Fists is Really good, Indestructible is Good, Asylum is average. Not a good trend to be on. This new album has the least amount of enjoyable songs. It's really disappointing. Bought it today. Just really is below par of what they have done in the past. I'm seeing them October 15th in Detroit. Hope they play a lot of there early stuff. I think the lyricism is weaker (Come on, Draiman, you can do better than your take on global warming and singing about werewolves). I believe it was a mistake to veer from their traditionally oblique and cryptic lyrical approach. However, as far as the craft is concerned, I think this is actually their best set since "Believe". The opening is very strong. "Warrior" actually has flavors of their debut record. "Serpentine" lives up to its title in its twisting between pummeling rock energy and diversity. And on one of the tracks where the lyrics are on point, "My Child", the music is equally devastating in effect. The lyrics make it impossible for me to consider "Asylum" vastly superior to either of their previous two albums. However, the solid musicianship and better production ultimately still make this a somewhat better album overall. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Sept 1, 2010 9:51:07 GMT -5
I stand by my position 100%.
I'm not arguing who will have greater album sales. My point is that cultural awareness as a whole goes beyond the 18-30 white male range of rock listeners. Katy Perry is already at a level that Disturbed will never see. In looking at the pop world over my life, it seems that the 15 minutes of fame for pop artists lasts about 1 1/2 albums. Jewel is a perfect example- 1 1/2 albums of pop single success, then very little. Alanis Morissette is another one. But I guarantee that if you take a poll of random Americans, more people will have heard of Jewel or Alanis Morissette than Disturbed. And take a poll in 2020, and more people will have heard of Katy Perry than Disturbed. So the detracting comments on Katy Perry should be in comparision to a rock artist that is actually at Katy Perry's level from a cultural standpoint- Linkin Park, U2, DMB, Coldplay, etc.- not Disturbed.
I'm not even saying I'm a huge Katy Perry, as I liked 3 of her first 4 singles pop, but not really the last two. But if I had a chance to manage/revenue share in the empire of either Katy Perry or Disturbed, I'd take Katy Perry in a heartbeat.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Sept 1, 2010 13:38:06 GMT -5
Album is probably gonna hit #1, although projected sales are 120-150k.
Half that of Indestructible. :(
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 1, 2010 13:49:05 GMT -5
Well this is my least favorite disturbed album and i have bought every single one. It seems they go more downhill with every release. The Sickness is Brilliant, Believe is Really good, Ten Thousand Fists is Really good, Indestructible is Good, Asylum is average. Not a good trend to be on. This new album has the least amount of enjoyable songs. It's really disappointing. Bought it today. Just really is below par of what they have done in the past. I'm seeing them October 15th in Detroit. Hope they play a lot of there early stuff. I think the lyricism is weaker (Come on, Draiman, you can do better than your take on global warming and singing about werewolves). I believe it was a mistake to veer from their traditionally oblique and cryptic lyrical approach. However, as far as the craft is concerned, I think this is actually their best set since "Believe". The opening is very strong. "Warrior" actually has flavors of their debut record. "Serpentine" lives up to its title in its twisting between pummeling rock energy and diversity. And on one of the tracks where the lyrics are on point, "My Child", the music is equally devastating in effect. The lyrics make it impossible for me to consider "Asylum" vastly superior to either of their previous two albums. However, the solid musicianship and better production ultimately still make this a somewhat better album overall. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I see what your saying. The musicianship is good. But without quality lyrics it's tough for me to enjoy or appreciate. The Sickness just had everything. Also, Shadow, 120K isnt bad but I will be dissapointed if Avenged and Arcade Fires recent releases outsell Asylum. No way that should happen, should have happened. I mean of course Arcade Fire sold most of the copies for 3.99 and 7.99. Avenged somehow sold which idk why. But hey, #1 album is still good. |
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Post by pen on Sept 1, 2010 15:23:09 GMT -5
The Sickness had quality lyrics?
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Post by rockmaniac on Sept 1, 2010 15:25:59 GMT -5
Album is probably gonna hit #1, although projected sales are 120-150k. Half that of Indestructible. :( HDD projected 145-160K |
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 1, 2010 16:40:41 GMT -5
The Sickness had quality lyrics? Better than this new album, that's for sure, this album is so average it's not funny. This album is a snooze fest. imo. A couple good songs. But a lot of average stuff. I mean...."Numb", "Meaning Of Life", "Droppin Plates", and not to mention "Voices", "Down With The Sickness", "The Game", and "Stupify". The worst tracks "Conflict", "Want", "Shout 2000" and "Violence Fetish" are better than 90% of the stuff on Asylum. imo. |
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 1, 2010 16:47:59 GMT -5
Album is probably gonna hit #1, although projected sales are 120-150k. Half that of Indestructible. :( I think they just chose a weak lead single, frankly (it's easy to argue that it hit #1 regardless and all that, but I think they could easily have had a more solid run at the top with the title track, "Warrior" or "The Infection". The track was divisive not just because of the subject matter (like it or not global warming has become much more a party-line issue than it was before), but because of the preachy feel to the lyrics. This track polarized listeners in a way Disturbed singles rarely do (their cover of "Land of Confusion" is the only other single I can think of that was polarizing in opinion) and thus it may have affected enthusiasm minimally to somewhat. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 1, 2010 16:49:57 GMT -5
I think the lyricism is weaker (Come on, Draiman, you can do better than your take on global warming and singing about werewolves). I believe it was a mistake to veer from their traditionally oblique and cryptic lyrical approach. However, as far as the craft is concerned, I think this is actually their best set since "Believe". The opening is very strong. "Warrior" actually has flavors of their debut record. "Serpentine" lives up to its title in its twisting between pummeling rock energy and diversity. And on one of the tracks where the lyrics are on point, "My Child", the music is equally devastating in effect. The lyrics make it impossible for me to consider "Asylum" vastly superior to either of their previous two albums. However, the solid musicianship and better production ultimately still make this a somewhat better album overall. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I see what your saying. The musicianship is good. But without quality lyrics it's tough for me to enjoy or appreciate. The Sickness just had everything. Also, Shadow, 120K isnt bad but I will be dissapointed if Avenged and Arcade Fires recent releases outsell Asylum. No way that should happen, should have happened. I mean of course Arcade Fire sold most of the copies for 3.99 and 7.99. Avenged somehow sold which idk why. But hey, #1 album is still good. I'm still in utter disbelief Avenged Sevenfold sold as well as they have this era compared to its predecessor. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 3, 2010 2:19:19 GMT -5
The Sickness had quality lyrics? My thoughts exactly. Not to mention the back half of that album was mostly filler in the first place. |
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Post by pen on Sept 3, 2010 7:22:34 GMT -5
The Sickness had quality lyrics? Better than this new album, that's for sure, this album is so average it's not funny. This album is a snooze fest. imo. A couple good songs. But a lot of average stuff. I mean...."Numb", "Meaning Of Life", "Droppin Plates", and not to mention "Voices", "Down With The Sickness", "The Game", and "Stupify". The worst tracks "Conflict", "Want", "Shout 2000" and "Violence Fetish" are better than 90% of the stuff on Asylum. imo. Like this gem. A stunning and revelatory treatise on suburban family lifestyle. |
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Post by Devin on Sept 3, 2010 8:53:18 GMT -5
^ ha. so true
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Post by Pipa on Sept 3, 2010 14:13:15 GMT -5
I for one think Disturbed have been getting better and better after each album. Before I would have put them near the bottom as far as new rock acts go. Now it's almost the opposite.
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 3, 2010 15:48:44 GMT -5
Better than this new album, that's for sure, this album is so average it's not funny. This album is a snooze fest. imo. A couple good songs. But a lot of average stuff. I mean...."Numb", "Meaning Of Life", "Droppin Plates", and not to mention "Voices", "Down With The Sickness", "The Game", and "Stupify". The worst tracks "Conflict", "Want", "Shout 2000" and "Violence Fetish" are better than 90% of the stuff on Asylum. imo. Like this gem. A stunning and revelatory treatise on suburban family lifestyle.  ... ... ... ...and yet I STILL can't help but find "The Animal" even worse from a lyrical perspective!  Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by jvandyck87 on Sept 3, 2010 15:50:22 GMT -5
I for one think Disturbed have been getting better and better after each album. Before I would have put them near the bottom as far as new rock acts go. Now it's almost the opposite. That probably says more about other new music than about Disturbed. |
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 3, 2010 16:42:02 GMT -5
Better than this new album, that's for sure, this album is so average it's not funny. This album is a snooze fest. imo. A couple good songs. But a lot of average stuff. I mean...."Numb", "Meaning Of Life", "Droppin Plates", and not to mention "Voices", "Down With The Sickness", "The Game", and "Stupify". The worst tracks "Conflict", "Want", "Shout 2000" and "Violence Fetish" are better than 90% of the stuff on Asylum. imo. Like this gem. I'll see your "Down with the Sickness" and raise you "Droppin' Plates": That's awesome, right? Dude was a $100k/year, white-collar job alum and twenty-seven when he wrote that! |
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 3, 2010 16:46:48 GMT -5
I'll see your "Down with the Sickness" and raise you "Droppin' Plates": That's awesome, right? Dude was a $100k/year, white-collar job alum and twenty-seven when he wrote that!  ... ... (crickets chirping) ... ... Somehow I forgot about that one!  I hereby retract my previous statement. That IS even worse than "The Animal"! Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by Pipa on Sept 3, 2010 20:39:28 GMT -5
Wow, that's menacing. Does he really say "bitch" that much? That was edgy when Nazareth said it in 1975 and it still is now.
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 3, 2010 21:55:27 GMT -5
Wow, that's menacing. Does he really say "bitch" that much? That was edgy when Nazareth said it in 1975 and it still is now. That feels especially bizarre considering David Draiman is about the most professorial frontman I know in hard rock, who in interviews always speaks with a scholastic, cerebral tone and keeps profanity to a bare minimum. I can't help but be in disbelief seeing someone as sapient as Draiman pen something that trashy. It makes Theory Of A Deadman suddenly look like Walter Terence Stace in comparison. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by jvandyck87 on Sept 3, 2010 22:13:29 GMT -5
Well at least the lyrics from that song did include the line "music as a weapon," which bore the title of numerous successful headlining tours. They must be really proud of the lyrics of that song to essentially name their live show franchise based on those lyrics, and evoke them over and over again.
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Post by Devin on Sept 4, 2010 22:30:20 GMT -5
It sounds like the lyrics to an eminem song lol..... oh and back on topic it seems as if "Another Way to Die" has resurected itself on alternative
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 5, 2010 0:31:00 GMT -5
WTF does it matter if he made 100K a year in a white-collar job? Whats that have to do with anything? It's a better song than every song on Asylum imo. The musicianship on that track is leaps and bounds above the musicianship on Asylum imo. This is what David said Droppin Plates was about. disturbedpedia.com/lyrics/sickness.html#plates David explains what a lot of songs are about on that site. |
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 5, 2010 0:38:33 GMT -5
It sounds like the lyrics to an eminem song lol..... oh and back on topic it seems as if "Another Way to Die" has resurected itself on alternative Eminem is more literate than that most of the time. Daz Dillinger would probably be an accurate comparison. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 5, 2010 0:42:46 GMT -5
WTF does it matter if he made 100K a year in a white-collar job? Whats that have to do with anything? It's a better song than every song on Asylum imo. The musicianship on that track is leaps and bounds above the musicianship on Asylum imo. This is what David said Droppin Plates was about. disturbedpedia.com/lyrics/sickness.html#plates David explains what a lot of songs are about on that site. I agree with your first point (even though it is still awkward hearing lyrics like that from someone as academically curious as Draiman). However, I simply can't agree with your secondary point, and Draiman's explanation of the song's origin and meaning does nothing to sway me in that it has artistic value and resonance. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 5, 2010 2:24:27 GMT -5
I respect your opinion as always Lisping. I'm just of the belief that not every song needs to be lyrically brilliant or deep. jmo.
And yeah, Eminem is brilliant so i don't know what they one poster is talking about. Yes he has songs like "Ass Like That", "Big Weenie", and etc but he also has really deep songs. Then again i will just be brushed off as an Em stan by the likes of Devin. lol.
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Post by pen on Sept 5, 2010 6:13:01 GMT -5
Uphill battle? They realize they weren't the first one, right? |
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 5, 2010 10:51:17 GMT -5
I'm not going to try to anylize what David says. lol. Just because there are a lot of metal bands doesnt mean a lot of people want Metal bands? idk.
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