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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 6, 2010 3:22:50 GMT -5
WTF does it matter if he made 100K a year in a white-collar job? Whats that have to do with anything? That means he's clearly smart enough to write something more intellectually stimulating than garbage like that. Daz Dillinger would probably be an accurate comparison. Daz Dillinger? ??? Of all people, why do you have to throw him under the bus? |
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Post by rockmaniac on Sept 7, 2010 8:13:21 GMT -5
I think the title track or "Warrior" should be the follow-up
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 7, 2010 11:59:24 GMT -5
WTF does it matter if he made 100K a year in a white-collar job? Whats that have to do with anything? That means he's clearly smart enough to write something more intellectually stimulating than garbage like that. Daz Dillinger would probably be an accurate comparison. Daz Dillinger? ??? Of all people, why do you have to throw him under the bus? Because, let's face it..........while Daz Dillinger has poignant delivery, his lyrics have pretty much always been entirely based on an image and usually read more like broken, clumsy declarative statements than actual sentences and/or narrative. I'm not dissing the guy so much as I'm dissing his lyrics. Because in spite of what has always been atrocious songwriting on his part, that rarely transcends the themes of misogyny and materialism, he can be just as charismatic as he can be thuggish with his performances. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 8, 2010 14:18:38 GMT -5
Because, let's face it..........while Daz Dillinger has poignant delivery, his lyrics have pretty much always been entirely based on an image and usually read more like broken, clumsy declarative statements than actual sentences and/or narrative. I'm not dissing the guy so much as I'm dissing his lyrics. Because in spite of what has always been atrocious songwriting on his part, that rarely transcends the themes of misogyny and materialism, he can be just as charismatic as he can be thuggish with his performances Right on. You at least acknowledged his delivery and his charisma, so I really can't ask for anything else.  He just seemed like such a random person to reference, here. And frankly, I'm pretty surprised you've even paid that close of attention to an also-ran like Daz in the first place. :) Do you feel any differently about Kurupt? I'm curious, because I've never bothered to compare and contrast them, myself.  |
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 8, 2010 14:27:46 GMT -5
Because, let's face it..........while Daz Dillinger has poignant delivery, his lyrics have pretty much always been entirely based on an image and usually read more like broken, clumsy declarative statements than actual sentences and/or narrative. I'm not dissing the guy so much as I'm dissing his lyrics. Because in spite of what has always been atrocious songwriting on his part, that rarely transcends the themes of misogyny and materialism, he can be just as charismatic as he can be thuggish with his performances Right on. You at least acknowledged his delivery and his charisma, so I really can't ask for anything else. He just seemed like such a random person to reference, here. And frankly, I'm pretty surprised you've even paid that close of attention to an also-ran like Daz in the first place. :) Do you feel any differently about Kurupt? I'm curious, because I've never bothered to compare and contrast them, myself. It helps to look beyond the radar every once in a while! After all, most artists start out outside the radar! ;) Dillinger was simply the first name to come to my mind when thinking of a rapper with a general lyrical content that lacks literacy. I simply couldn't agree that Eminem fit that description, as he is more often than not, in fact, exhibits a much vaster vocabulary and play with poetic devices than his peers. And even when he does offer cringe-heavy garbage like "Ass Like That", he still at least composes complete sentences and lines that read like dialogue, as opposed to broken fragments of sentences. Kurupt is part of Death Row Records just like Daz Dillinger, as well as part of Tha Dogg Pound, so they are pretty much torn from the same cloth. But to answer your question, although they have similar backgrounds, I think Kurupt produces superior content. In fact, just last year, he released "BlaQKout", which I find one of his best albums of his career to date and has some exquisite top-notch production and introspective lyrics between the more lamer ones. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 9, 2010 2:27:56 GMT -5
I think Kurupt produces superior content. In fact, just last year, he released "BlaQKout", which I find one of his best albums of his career to date and has some exquisite top-notch production and introspective lyrics between the more lamer ones. It always seemed like Kurupt was the more talented one, yes. Jesus Christ, I can't believe you even kept up with Kurupt's solo career! The extent of my interest in either of them ended when the classic era of Death Row fizzled out. |
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 9, 2010 2:52:44 GMT -5
I have always enjoyed Kurupt when i hear his stuff. I don't go out of my way to look for it. But he always brings it on his features.
Eminem is a fan as well.
"/I got a list, here's the order of my list that it's in/It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie/Andre from Outkast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me/"
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Sept 9, 2010 3:13:27 GMT -5
"/I got a list, here's the order of my list that it's in/It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie/Andre from Outkast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me/" I'd forgotten about that line. Thanks. |
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 9, 2010 13:14:34 GMT -5
I'm sure his list has changed a bit from when he wrote that line but im guessing not much. I know he is really a huge Redman fan still. That "Off The Wall" track with Em and Red is really slept on imo. I need to check out more of Kurupt stuff. I just have not gotten to it. But Kurupt does seem to have a lot of respect from his peers.
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Post by Devin on Sept 9, 2010 15:10:04 GMT -5
And this whole discussion has what to do with the song?
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 9, 2010 17:56:58 GMT -5
And this whole discussion has what to do with the song? Well, we were comparing lyrics from the "sickness" album to the lyrics on "asylum". Then someone tweeted lyrics from "down with the sickness" and made a comment about them. Then Daz Dillinger came up. Then Kurupt was brought up because he was cut from the same cloth as Daz or something like that. haha. So it's not completely off topic. haha. |
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 9, 2010 20:51:06 GMT -5
And this whole discussion has what to do with the song? Well, we were comparing lyrics from the "sickness" album to the lyrics on "asylum". Then someone tweeted lyrics from "down with the sickness" and made a comment about them. Then Daz Dillinger came up. Then Kurupt was brought up because he was cut from the same cloth as Daz or something like that. haha. So it's not completely off topic. haha. The point was that there really is NO excuse for Draiman to have penned lyrics as awkward and clumsy as those in "Droppin' Plates", and then try to pass them off as making an artistic statement............which I compared the messy, incoherent quality with that of Daz Dillinger's lyrical style, which is ceaselessly and unbearably incoherent and made up of fragments rather than actual sentences and lame declarative statements. "Droppin' Plates" sounds EXACTLY like something that should have been penned by Dillinger. Draiman proved how he is a far, far more capable songwriter than that with the album that directly followed their debut, "Believe", which I consider their most universally-appealing album overall to date. Even though I believe their craftsmanship has continued to improve each album era, I believe "Believe" remains their most accessible era from a lyrical perspective. They had a motivational, universal appeal to them, while Draiman's lyricism has grown increasingly topical since then with hit-and-miss results. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 10, 2010 0:10:30 GMT -5
I want more tracks like "Darkness" and "Remember" from Believe and "Overburdened" on Ten Thousand Fists. "Darkness" especially. Def one of my fave Disturbed songs.
I do think "The Sickness" Is by far there best.
I would rate Believe and Ten Thousand Fists 4/5.
I would rate Indestructible 3.5/5.
I would rate Asylum 3/5.
I mean the following song "Numb" is just brilliant.
I will give you that the lyricism is better on Believe. But the musicianship combined with the lyricism gives The Sickness a slite edge for me.
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 10, 2010 1:06:45 GMT -5
I want more tracks like "Darkness" and "Remember" from Believe and "Overburdened" on Ten Thousand Fists. "Darkness" especially. Def one of my fave Disturbed songs. I do think "The Sickness" Is by far there best. I would rate Believe and Ten Thousand Fists 4/5. I would rate Indestructible 3.5/5. I would rate Asylum 3/5. I mean the following song "Numb" is just brilliant. I will give you that the lyricism is better on Believe. But the musicianship combined with the lyricism gives The Sickness a slite edge for me. I really think it just comes down to whether you prefer a more signature sound or a more varied sound in the band that explains why one might prefer "The Sickness" over the rest of their output or not. "The Sickness" has some enjoyable riffs and raw energy to it, but from my perspective anyway, it was as though the band were still trying to unravel their signature sound through that era's recording sessions. Then when they worked on "Believe", it's almost as though they had an epiphany in developing a trademark sound situated around theatrical riffs and craftsmanship, which also meant Draiman had to broaden his vocal spectrum and write through a more focused frame of mind. However, they probably felt, while they were certainly proud of "Believe" on virtually every level, that it nonetheless was a little too absent of the chaotic aggression of "The Sickness". Hence "Ten Thousand Fists" was born, to essentially take the best of both worlds, weld them together with mixed results, and while they were at it venture out into more topical territory lyrically. Ah, but some of the songs on "Ten Thousand Fists" overreached and were too larger-than-life, too hard for some to get their heads around and they couldn't really identify from a personal and emotional standpoint with the cuts quite like they could with their first two records, with the political overload and all. No problem. That's where "Indestructible" comes in. Just what the doctor ordered...........a generous dose of classic Disturbed with plenty of cathartic songs that relate more readily to personal experiences and livelihoods. Hey, that's all great, but..............you know.............sometimes a little of that epic quality is appreciated. Sometimes there is such a thing as being TOO direct. And voila.........."Asylum" is unveiled..............taking some of the brutality and machine-gun precision of "The Sickness", mollifying it somewhat with a marinade of harmony, theatrical milieu and universal emotional accessibility of "Believe", spicing it up with some topical turmeric and the anise of overambitiousness that flavored "Ten Thousand Fists", tossing it into a strainer to dilute the recipe of its excess theatrics and politics then dashed with pepper flakes of personal experience of "Indestructible", dowsing it with just a sift more of that leftover anise and turmeric from "Ten Thousand Fists"....................to suit one's taste. The overall consensus among fans in reaction to this here album.................will surely influence the shaping of their sixth album. I suggest if you want Disturbed to perfect the recipe that you start espousing your dietary preferences to them now!  Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by slicknickshady on Sept 10, 2010 1:36:40 GMT -5
I really enjoy your posts Lisping. Really great stuff.
Seriously, i just love stuff like "Darkness". Seriously i would love an album filled with stuff like that. But i don't know if the band as a whole would go for something like that. I think "Prayer" is a brilliant song as well. Believe is a great album. It's real close to The Sickness for me. Disturbed is still like #5 on my favorite bands of all time list but they continue to creep more downhill and closer to the bands i have below them. The bands i have above them will probably be the top 4 for a long time. #1 and #2 will never drop from there perch though. ASHES dIVIDE needs a few more albums and so does PUSCIFER before i can put them above S.O.A.D, N.I.N, and Disturbed. Each of those bands ASHES dIVIDE and PUSCIFER have a great shot at being #3 and #4 if they hang around for a bit.
1. TOOL
2. A Perfect Circle
3. N.I.N
4. System of a Down
Other bands that come just below Disturbed, Ashes Divide, and Puscifer are...Cold, Evanescence, Evans blue (First two albums and unreleased album that KM leaked after being voted out of band), Parabelle.
But outside of these it's basically splitting hairs. I love so many bands and so much music it get's too tough to rank them in order. haha.
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