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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Aug 4, 2010 12:56:33 GMT -5
Sounds sort of like what would happen if you put the .NUXX version of "Born Slippy" over the original. Not sure I ever knew the difference until my quick trip to Wikipedia just now. (And if I did, I'd long since forgotten.) I need to track down that original. This is the same band who renamed themselves from Hybrid Theory to Linkin Park just so they could be next to Limp Bizkit in record stores for god's sake. Whoa, is that true? I don't think so at all. When LP first came around their sound was pretty unique and stood out. Are you serious?? When they came out they fit right into the paved, trendy nu-metal road! Sure, "Crawling" set them apart with synth hooks and "In the End" was light and synth-driven, but let's not pretend there was any originality on "One Step Closer." They got lucky that one endured as well as it did.
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Post by Pipa on Aug 4, 2010 14:05:45 GMT -5
I don't think so at all. When LP first came around their sound was pretty unique and stood out. Are you serious?? When they came out they fit right into the paved, trendy nu-metal road! Sure, "Crawling" set them apart with synth hooks and "In the End" was light and synth-driven, but let's not pretend there was any originality on "One Step Closer." They got lucky that one endured as well as it did. What made them stand out a little more from the band they're next to alphabetically is that they sounded like a mix of every popular Alternative band. From NIN to Rage to Garbage to Smashing Pumpkins to everything inbetween. So in other words, the exact opposite of originality. It wasn't done with the finesse as those bands, and "One Step Closer" is pretty bad, but it's how, to me, they managed to stand out.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 4, 2010 15:28:46 GMT -5
Active: 48 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 120 0 120 0.548 Alternative: 44 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 193 0 193 1.709 MEDIABASE Active Rock: 37 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 262 0 262 1.021 Spins: +142 AI: +0.473 Alternative: 30 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 393 0 393 2.959 Spins: +200 AI: +1.250 Mainstream Rock: 36 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst Warner Bros. 2010 27 0 27 BDS (only the bullet) Alternative +389 Linkin Park The Catalyst Active Rock +197 Linkin Park The Catalyst Heritage Rock +28 Linkin Park The Catalyst It's looking at a strong Alternative debut, but it's looking at a surprisingly underwhelming debut at Active Rock. It may not even debut Top Ten on Active Rock this week. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by pen on Aug 4, 2010 22:48:14 GMT -5
No, it's not. They had problems obtaining the name Hybrid Theory because of a Welsh electronic band called Hybrid.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Aug 4, 2010 23:03:01 GMT -5
Seeing as how Kanye's album has been pushed back, this is probably now a lock for a #1.
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Post by Ron57 on Aug 4, 2010 23:05:28 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll release any other promotional singles.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Aug 5, 2010 4:04:03 GMT -5
No, it's not. They had problems obtaining the name Hybrid Theory because of a Welsh electronic band called Hybrid. Duly noted, but that has doesn't indicate anything one way or the other about a possible ulterior motive behind honoring their local Lincoln Park, as opposed to going with any other name they might have been considering.
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Post by Rodze on Aug 5, 2010 7:25:08 GMT -5
--MEDIABASE-- Active Rock: 28 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 412 0 412 1.414 Spins: +150
Alternative: 22 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 576 0 576 3.997 Spins: +183
Mainstream Rock: 32 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 37 0 37 0.240 Spins: +10
--BDS-- (building 3 days bullet) Active Rock: +306
Alternative: +562
Heritage Rock: +40
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Post by mcbrearty on Aug 5, 2010 8:13:12 GMT -5
How do people think this will do in pop charts ?
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Post by Devin on Aug 5, 2010 9:04:06 GMT -5
How do people think this will do in pop charts ? I feel like it could be another Top 20 hit, with a similar run as "What I've Done". But I could be wrong.
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Post by pen on Aug 5, 2010 10:06:01 GMT -5
No, it's not. They had problems obtaining the name Hybrid Theory because of a Welsh electronic band called Hybrid. Duly noted, but that has doesn't indicate anything one way or the other about a possible ulterior motive behind honoring their local Lincoln Park, as opposed to going with any other name they might have been considering. Well for one thing, I don't really know where or how any of the band members would admit to something like that, but also I don't see what purpose it would really serve. Putting their album next to another artist in the alphabet wouldn't raise their sales, it wouldn't highlight their release, and there are still quite a few artist names between Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park to where I can't possibly see how in any way it could be a viable plan of any kind. It just sounds to me like something stupid to say.
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Post by pen on Aug 5, 2010 10:08:29 GMT -5
This is the official reason why Linkin Park. Bennington eventually suggested the use of Lincoln Park because he would drive by Lincoln Park in Santa Monica, California (now known as Christine Reed Park), on his way to the recording studio every day when the band was recording demos for its debut album. Bennington thought that it would be a good name for the band because there are Lincoln Parks all over the country. He figured that the band would be recognized as a local band no matter where they went. He also liked it because the name had no meaning, allowing the music to describe itself. However, since the domain name "lincolnpark.com" was already taken and the band couldn't afford to purchase it, they changed the spelling from "Lincoln" to "Linkin" so they could purchase the domain name "linkinpark.com".
This doesn't mean they still didn't have an ulterior motive, but as I said above, that motive makes no logical sense.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Aug 6, 2010 1:54:13 GMT -5
Bennington eventually suggested the use of Lincoln Park because he would drive by Lincoln Park in Santa Monica, California (now known as Christine Reed Park), on his way to the recording studio every day when the band was recording demos for its debut album. Bennington thought that it would be a good name for the band because there are Lincoln Parks all over the country. He figured that the band would be recognized as a local band no matter where they went. He also liked it because the name had no meaning, allowing the music to describe itself. However, since the domain name "lincolnpark.com" was already taken and the band couldn't afford to purchase it, they changed the spelling from "Lincoln" to "Linkin" so they could purchase the domain name "linkinpark.com". I knew all this at one point, but had forgotten the details over the years. If Jamie was just joking, it was stated so seriously that I couldn't even tell.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Aug 6, 2010 3:12:18 GMT -5
I wasn't joking. That doesn't mean the band would ever admit that it's true, or that the information I got was even correct. But 10 years ago, having their name close to Limp Bizkit probably would generate record sales in that, while there would be artists in between, there likely weren't other current releases in between alphabetically, so the two artists' albums would likely be showcased next to each other. Anyone who came in to buy 'Chocolate Starfish' might see 'Hybrid Theory' right next to it. Recall that those two albums were released the same month, so they would be new releases together, and Limp Bizkit fans who'd heard "One Step Closer" on the radio, might at least think about taking the CD up to the scanner and previewing the tracks. Whether or not it's true I don't know, but I think it would actually be a strategy that would result in a significant sales increase.
If I ever feel like wasting time, I'll try to track down where I heard that to see how credible of a source it is.
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Post by Rodze on Aug 6, 2010 8:40:09 GMT -5
--MEDIABASE-- Active Rock: 23 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 561 0 561 1.825 Spins: +159
Alternative: 13 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 763 0 763 5.051 Spins: +187
Mainstream Rock: 27 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 48 0 48 0.302 Spins: +11
--BDS-- (building 4 days bullet) Active Rock: +416
Alternative: +740
Heritage Rock: +51
These updates can be annoying, but I only intend to do it daily for this debut week.
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Post by pen on Aug 6, 2010 10:22:11 GMT -5
I wasn't joking. That doesn't mean the band would ever admit that it's true, or that the information I got was even correct. But 10 years ago, having their name close to Limp Bizkit probably would generate record sales in that, while there would be artists in between, there likely weren't other current releases in between alphabetically, so the two artists' albums would likely be showcased next to each other. Anyone who came in to buy 'Chocolate Starfish' might see 'Hybrid Theory' right next to it. Recall that those two albums were released the same month, so they would be new releases together, and Limp Bizkit fans who'd heard "One Step Closer" on the radio, might at least think about taking the CD up to the scanner and previewing the tracks. Whether or not it's true I don't know, but I think it would actually be a strategy that would result in a significant sales increase. If I ever feel like wasting time, I'll try to track down where I heard that to see how credible of a source it is. That doesn't sound like a viable marketing plan. From what I remember of when I bought Hybrid Theory, it was placed with other new artists and not next to Limp Bizkit where that plan would make any kind of sense. In the alphabetical racks you still have too many other artists and old releases to where I think any connection would be poorly made. But the main thing is that what artist would name themselves something that will stick with them for their entire career on the basis of a marketing plan that will obviously not always work for the long term and may not even work the first time around? It just seems like it's relying on way too many variables for it to really be a workable idea.
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Post by pen on Aug 6, 2010 10:25:26 GMT -5
Another thing to take into consideration. Limp Bizkit is on Universal, Linkin Park on Warner. Would Universal really have wanted a Warner artist positioned next to one of their prize acts at the current time where it would be a competitor? I wouldn't. If I were Universal I would've said to record stores, "Oh yeah, by the way, keep that Linkin Park band as far away from Chocolate Starfish as possible."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2010 10:54:53 GMT -5
He didn't say it was a good idea. It's a pretty widely circulated rumour if it's not true though.
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Post by pen on Aug 6, 2010 11:10:36 GMT -5
He didn't say it was a good idea. It's a pretty widely circulated rumour if it's not true though. Can't be too widely circulated, this is the first time I've ever heard of it.
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Post by pen on Aug 6, 2010 11:17:22 GMT -5
Well I ran a Google search and apparently this was some kind of rumor around their debut because I found an interview with one of the members where he denies it and says that the same rumor happened to Limp Bizkit when they debuted because they would be close to Korn. Again, first I've ever heard of it. Sounds like the kind of cynical trashy comment someone would make just cause they don't like the music and want to make it sound more calculated than it really is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2010 11:19:26 GMT -5
Can't be too widely circulated, this is the first time I've ever heard of it. Oh, well if you've never heard it, it can't be. ;)
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Post by pen on Aug 6, 2010 11:20:48 GMT -5
Can't be too widely circulated, this is the first time I've ever heard of it. Oh, well if you've never heard it, it can't be. ;) That's damn right. I'm a living encyclopedia.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Aug 6, 2010 13:47:49 GMT -5
These updates can be annoying, but I only intend to do it daily for this debut week. Nah, man, fuckin' A. You go right ahead and finish off the week. :) Even if some of us don't care or don't care for the song (I really like it, for the record), I'm sure most of us chart followers dig seeing the first week numbers as they unfold for the lead single from one of the most successful A-list bands on the format, especially since it's such a curveball.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Aug 7, 2010 8:51:10 GMT -5
Top 10 on Alternative:
0 8 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 935 0 935 6.031
Top 20 on Active:
0 20 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 694 0 694 2.151
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Post by Rodze on Aug 7, 2010 20:36:46 GMT -5
--MEDIABASE-- Active Rock: 20 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 694 0 694 2.151 Spins: +133
Alternative: 8 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 935 0 935 6.031 Spins: +172
Mainstream Rock: 25 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 61 0 61 0.383 Spins: +13
--BDS-- (building 5 days bullet) Active Rock: +515
Alternative: +917
Heritage Rock: +66
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Post by rockmaniac on Aug 7, 2010 20:39:48 GMT -5
--MEDIABASE-- Active Rock: 20 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 694 0 694 2.151 Spins: +133 Alternative: 8 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 935 0 935 6.031 Spins: +172 Mainstream Rock: 25 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 61 0 61 0.383 Spins: +13 --BDS-- (building 5 days bullet) Active Rock: +515 Alternative: +917 Heritage Rock: +66 how do u get the BDS info?
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Post by Rodze on Aug 8, 2010 7:26:39 GMT -5
--MEDIABASE-- Alternative (Top 5): 5 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 1133 0 1133 7.114 Day 1: +193 Day 2: +200 Day 3: +183 Day 4: +187 Day 5: +172 Day 6: +198 Active Rock (may got up 1 position when recurrents are removed): 18 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 841 0 841 2.556 Day 1: +120 Day 2: +142 Day 3: +150 Day 4: +159 Day 5: +133 Day 6: +147 Mainstream Rock: 23 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 71 0 71 0.44 Spins: +10 --BDS-- (building 6 days bullet) Alternative: +1099 (might debut at no. 2) Active Rock: +625 Heritage Rock: +78 how do u get the BDS info? R&R website.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Aug 8, 2010 12:28:00 GMT -5
Doesn't look like a #1 debut.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Aug 9, 2010 11:29:58 GMT -5
I know it's Monday, but they were probably aiming to maximize their Billboard debut rather than their Mediabase debut, hence the song's Monday release. So here are the final opening week numbers of "The Catalyst" added on to Rodze's post.
Alternative: 0 5 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 1285 0 1285 7.989 Day 1: +193 Day 2: +200 Day 3: +183 Day 4: +187 Day 5: +172 Day 6: +198 Day 7: +152
Active Rock: 0 14 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 967 0 967 2.922 Day 1: +120 Day 2: +142 Day 3: +150 Day 4: +159 Day 5: +133 Day 6: +147 Day 7: +126
Mainstream Rock: 0 22 LINKIN PARK The Catalyst 79 0 79 0.488 Spins: +8
I don't have the BDS numbers.
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Post by halo19 on Aug 9, 2010 12:34:13 GMT -5
Doesn't look like a #1 debut. Considering a good amount of fans were kind of disappointed by the last album, it wasn't really a guarantee this time around on any format, especially with a track like this coming on the format. To me, this is like Linkin Park's version of "Numb"... oops, I mean like the U2 song.
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