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Post by Rodze on Aug 9, 2010 14:55:10 GMT -5
www.billboard.com/#/news/linkin-park-logs-first-no-1-debut-on-rock-1004108287.storyLinkin Park posts the first No. 1 debut in the 14-month history of the Rock Songs chart, as "The Catalyst" launches with 12.2 million audience impressions. "The Catalyst" concurrently opens on the Alternative Songs chart at No. 3, marking the list's loftiest arrival since Linkin Park's own "What I've Done" bowed at No. 1 in April 2007.
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Post by hazuki on Aug 9, 2010 15:44:16 GMT -5
Freaking awesome!!
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Post by mcbrearty on Aug 10, 2010 17:49:22 GMT -5
I'm bored with this already. Never really got into it fully.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Aug 11, 2010 0:27:28 GMT -5
This has definitely grown on me quite a bit. I don't know why this song's gotten so much hate over the Internet. It's different, but in a good way.
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Post by Gravity. on Aug 11, 2010 11:11:13 GMT -5
This has definitely grown on me quite a bit. I don't know why this song's gotten so much hate over the Internet. It's different, but in a good way. You said it yourself: it's different. It doesn't sound like a Linkin Park song. I'm glad that the band is evolving their sound, more artists should do that. I think that this kind of sounds like something that 30 Seconds To Mars would have put on This Is War. That's probably why I like the song.
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Post by Mega248 on Aug 11, 2010 12:01:41 GMT -5
This song has had exactly 1,285 spins today, yesterday and Monday. Can anyone recall another time when a song has had the same spin total for three days in a row?
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Post by Devin on Aug 11, 2010 16:42:20 GMT -5
This is #1 next week ... Call It
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Aug 11, 2010 21:15:20 GMT -5
This has definitely grown on me quite a bit. I don't know why this song's gotten so much hate over the Internet. It's different, but in a good way. You said it yourself: it's different. It doesn't sound like a Linkin Park song. I'd actually be curious to see what people who normally don't like Linkin Park think of this. I wonder if this has caused anybody to rethink their negative feelings towards the band.
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Post by Ron57 on Aug 12, 2010 0:48:04 GMT -5
This has definitely grown on me quite a bit. I don't know why this song's gotten so much hate over the Internet. It's different, but in a good way. You said it yourself: it's different. It doesn't sound like a Linkin Park song. I'm glad that the band is evolving their sound, more artists should do that. I think that this kind of sounds like something that 30 Seconds To Mars would have put on This Is War. That's probably why I like the song. Very well put. I gotta agree, that's probably why it's so good for me.
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Aug 12, 2010 21:46:28 GMT -5
This song has had exactly 1,285 spins today, yesterday and Monday. Can anyone recall another time when a song has had the same spin total for three days in a row? I wonder if this will even hit #1- it seems to have stalled this entire week.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Aug 12, 2010 22:04:09 GMT -5
Yeah it's not moving on active either. Which is weird given it's the most added track on both rock formats again this week.
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Post by halo19 on Aug 13, 2010 9:49:17 GMT -5
Well, I think it's way bigger a challenge on the Active format, which it wouldn't have been earlier. In fact, that's where the spins are mostly out of curiosity and the fact that there are people still anticipating "new Linkin Park."
Unfortunately there's plenty of radio-rock fans who are narrow-minded about music that doesn't adhere to that, which is why there is a backlash.
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Aug 13, 2010 9:51:13 GMT -5
Look at the top 10 in Active now. Excepting The Crow & The Butterfly, it's all a bunch of shitty cock rock and mindless faux metal bullshit. No room for experimentation and new ideas.
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Post by pen on Aug 13, 2010 10:26:40 GMT -5
Look at the top 10 in Active now. Excepting The Crow & The Butterfly, it's all a bunch of s**tty cock rock and mindless faux metal bulls**t. No room for experimentation and new ideas. The only cock rock song is Hellyeah's which is heavier than the typical cock rock song, and as for faux metal, I happen to like the majority of bands in that top 10. Stone Sour's song is great, as is Alice In Chains and Avenged Sevenfold, and if you don't agree then I think that reflects more poorly on you than the music. I don't know what you're wanting though because there's not a whole lot of experimentation or new ideas in active rock. Active rock is what it is. If you don't like it then you listen to alternative.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 13, 2010 11:34:54 GMT -5
I finally heard this for the first time.
Production-wise, this is indeed intriguing, and you have to give them credit for venturing outside of their musical comfort zone, especially off a lead single that they say also sets the stage for "A Thousand Suns" (the lyric comes from lyrics in this song, after all). It definitely sounds like apocalyptic house music.
Lyrically, I find this weak, however. I see no maturation here, and Benningham merely rehashes some of the "Minutes to Midnight" doomsday-clock mentality theme here in the lyrics of this single. And how can we expect to be persuaded that there's a "catalyst" on the horizon when, after a soaring "Lift me up, let me go..." breakdown and outro that the same gloom and doom lyrics in the first verse are chanted again, regarding living under a loaded gun that can't be outmoved, outmatched or outrun, and are the last words we hear in the outro?
Musically they're indeed showing some maturation, but lyrically they've shown no movement at all here. I'd give it probably three out of five stars.
Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Aug 13, 2010 12:06:03 GMT -5
Look at the top 10 in Active now. Excepting The Crow & The Butterfly, it's all a bunch of s**tty cock rock and mindless faux metal bulls**t. No room for experimentation and new ideas. Dude, you gotta stop thinking that the Active chart is full of cock-rock and "false metal". Seriously.
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Aug 13, 2010 12:34:24 GMT -5
Look at the top 10 in Active now. Excepting The Crow & The Butterfly, it's all a bunch of s**tty cock rock and mindless faux metal bulls**t. No room for experimentation and new ideas. Dude, you gotta stop thinking that the Active chart is full of cock-rock and "false metal". Seriously. Let's see: 1 DISTURBED Another Way To Die ... s**t 2 FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH Bad Company ... s**t 3 AVENGED SEVENFOLD Nightmare ... okay, but not good 4 HELLYEAH Hell Of A Time ... mierda 8 PAPA ROACH Kick In The Teeth ... more s**t 10 GODSMACK Love-Hate-Sex-Pain ... s**t 11 BUCKCHERRY All Night Long ... disgusting 12 THREE DAYS GRACE The Good Life ... not good, but compared to all this s**t, I'll take it 14 SAVING ABEL Stupid Girl(Only In ... s**t Must I go on?
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Post by lockebox on Aug 13, 2010 12:36:45 GMT -5
No, when you're simply describing every song as "shit" and not explaining why. I disagree entirely.
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Aug 13, 2010 12:39:38 GMT -5
stupid repetitive music with stupid women-degrading lyrics. It's like country for muscular men. All the good bands on Active are way down on the chart. Bands like Taproot, 10 Years, Trapt, etc. struggle to get hits while steaming fetid shit like Hellno get hits for being able to belch on key.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Aug 13, 2010 12:41:58 GMT -5
Have you listened to "Another Way to Die"? It's lyrics are about global warming, not degrading women or any of that.
Actually listen to something before calling it "s**t". Honestly, you piss me off sometimes.
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Post by lockebox on Aug 13, 2010 12:48:21 GMT -5
"Stupid Girl" is the only song there that's really about degrading women. I would agree however that all the better alt-metal acts are down the pecking order on Active.
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Post by Matt4319 on Aug 13, 2010 19:10:57 GMT -5
Has Aaronsavagefan finally made his way to Pulse?
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Post by David on Aug 13, 2010 19:48:34 GMT -5
Look at the top 10 in Active now. Excepting The Crow & The Butterfly, it's all a bunch of s**tty cock rock and mindless faux metal bulls**t. No room for experimentation and new ideas. The only cock rock song is Hellyeah's which is heavier than the typical cock rock song, and as for faux metal, I happen to like the majority of bands in that top 10. Stone Sour's song is great, as is Alice In Chains and Avenged Sevenfold, and if you don't agree then I think that reflects more poorly on you than the music. I don't know what you're wanting though because there's not a whole lot of experimentation or new ideas in active rock. Active rock is what it is. If you don't like it then you listen to alternative. While I agree.. the best idea would be to just hit the " " underneath his avi. (Its an ignore feature.) That way you can spare yourself his bulls**t. Its the same poster who thinks its a shame 3OH!3 don't get played on Alternative... stupid repetitive music with stupid women-degrading lyrics. It's like country for muscular men. All the good bands on Active are way down on the chart. Bands like Taproot, 10 Years, Trapt, etc. struggle to get hits while steaming fetid s**t like Hellno get hits for being able to belch on key. Country music for muscular men?. While this particular genre may not always be my thing, I know a lot of metal fans, and most of them are not beefy men. lmao I don't know where the hell you got that from? ??? But I'm sure they'd take it as a compliment. ;)
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Aug 13, 2010 19:56:09 GMT -5
stupid repetitive music with stupid women-degrading lyrics. It's like country for muscular men. All the good bands on Active are way down on the chart. Bands like Taproot, 10 Years, Trapt, etc. struggle to get hits while steaming fetid s**t like Hellno get hits for being able to belch on key. While I don't necessarily agree with the assessments of each individual song, I think he's spot-on with his format assessment. To be blunt, whenever I listen to an active rock station, I get the impression that the target market is testosterone filled males with low IQ's. Even the commercials reflect that.
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Post by pen on Aug 13, 2010 23:32:25 GMT -5
"Stupid Girl" is the only song there that's really about degrading women. I would agree however that all the better alt-metal acts are down the pecking order on Active. "Stupid Girl" is actually not about degrading women...at all. When the lights hit your eyes at night You're hypnotized Don't be a fool for the wolves in disguise You're not a stupid girl The grammar in your head is playing dead Sugar-tongue rolling off your lips whispering You're not a stupid girl Cause your climbing up the list Pretty little, box office hit and miss You always kiss before you're kissed You always wanna leave before you're left You're never gonna be the same Cause you're flirting with fame in the city of angels They're calling your name Only in Hollywood I'm sorry for all the clouds in your life You always were the kind who loved the rainy nights You're not a stupid girl I think you only want, what you think you can't have You lie so much You believe your self You're not a stupid girl It's about a girl who has been degraded, probably, but it's sympathetic, not misogynistic.
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Post by pen on Aug 13, 2010 23:34:13 GMT -5
stupid repetitive music with stupid women-degrading lyrics. It's like country for muscular men. All the good bands on Active are way down on the chart. Bands like Taproot, 10 Years, Trapt, etc. struggle to get hits while steaming fetid s**t like Hellno get hits for being able to belch on key. While I don't necessarily agree with the assessments of each individual song, I think he's spot-on with his format assessment. To be blunt, whenever I listen to an active rock station, I get the impression that the target market is testosterone filled males with low IQ's. Even the commercials reflect that. That probably is the target market for active rock because that's usually the target market for most active rock bands, but that doesn't mean the music's not still enjoyable.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 14, 2010 3:40:56 GMT -5
Well, I think it's way bigger a challenge on the Active format, which it wouldn't have been earlier. In fact, that's where the spins are mostly out of curiosity and the fact that there are people still anticipating "new Linkin Park." Unfortunately there's plenty of radio-rock fans who are narrow-minded about music that doesn't adhere to that, which is why there is a backlash. There's two main problems "The Catalyst" is facing. Firstly, this doesn't appeal directly to any particular format. This will come across as too ambitious and left-field to a considerable swath of Active Rock, while too mainstream to a considerable swath of Alternative. Active Rock tends to prefer immediate, meaty anthems, which "The Catalyst" certainly isn't, while Alternative has become much more balkanized than it used to be as a format, where some markets are Active Rock-lite and snub their noses at indie fare, while some markets are indie-centric and snub their noses at more mainstream fare, and yet more markets are wrapped up in 90's nostalgia and tend to lean somewhat Hot AC, among other divisions. "The Catalyst" is not that kind of track that ANY of these constituencies will LOVE, but IS the kind of track many of their core "Hybrid Theory" and "Meteora"-era fans at Active Rock HATE, while it doesn't go far enough to change the minds of indie-leaning listeners. It's pretty much a lose-lose situation for them as far as marketing is concerned. Secondly, for the same reason Green Day's latest effort tanked, this single is simply too doom-laden and gloomy for even Alternative radio right now. Obviously Obama's political capital based on hope has eroded considerably since he took office, but younger demographics remain his strongest backers overall, and they don't want to hear more excruciatingly depressing fodder like this. It doesn't necessarily have to be cheery or even hopeful necessarily, but they want some sort of lightness or cheekiness to it...........as opposed to some overt six-minute dirge on how the sky is basically falling. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by thisbeautifulmess on Aug 14, 2010 20:18:46 GMT -5
Secondly, for the same reason Green Day's latest effort tanked, this single is simply too doom-laden and gloomy for even Alternative radio right now. Obviously Obama's political capital based on hope has eroded considerably since he took office, but younger demographics remain his strongest backers overall, and they don't want to hear more excruciatingly depressing fodder like this. It doesn't necessarily have to be cheery or even hopeful necessarily, but they want some sort of lightness or cheekiness to it...........as opposed to some overt six-minute dirge on how the sky is basically falling. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I don't know if I buy this part of the argument. I don't think the average listener delves that deeply into the positive/negative meaning of a song. "Another way to die" being #1 on active gives support to that assertion. I've always felt that one of the problems of "21 guns" is that it was a fall/winter song that charted in the summer. "Wake me up when September ends" had the same mistiming.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Aug 14, 2010 23:26:07 GMT -5
While this song is largely struggling a bit due to it not being what fans of Hybrid Theory and Meteora wanted, that shouldn't hurt this single any more than it hurt all of their other singles since those albums, with the exception of MAYBE "Given Up". I would think "Shadow Of The Day" is a more egregious departure in their eyes.
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Post by Sir Benji on Aug 16, 2010 1:56:14 GMT -5
why hasn't this song moved in spins in like 3 days?
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