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Post by beach1 on Mar 10, 2011 11:31:49 GMT -5
^ Cause he's not as talented as others but due to the right image and marketing and (probably) connections he's much more successful than them. It's a reminder of how unfair and annoying the music industry can be. That also explains Britney's rise to fame and success, and going all the way back to the Monkees. It's nothing new. Britney, at least, was a great dancer that set her apart from others as a performer, at least in the beginning half of her career. And even though it's nothing new, people aren't still going to like it. ^ Cause he's not as talented as others. And how can you judge such a statement. I can tell you right now he can single CIRCLES around Ke$ha and Britney and probably Rihanna as well, which are two of the biggest recording artists right now. People feel so threatened by him because he's young and his music is teen pop, like Miranda Cosgrove and the JBros were. The fact that he can outsing Ke$ha and Britney isn't really that much to brag about. Better than Rihanna? I don't know, she's no slouch herself at singing...
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Post by lolhey on Mar 10, 2011 11:42:20 GMT -5
Wow so many ignorant and talent-blind people on here. When he's the next Justin Timberlake when he's old and all you girls are freaking out, I'll be saying "told ya so". You gallivanting about everyone's supposed ignorance is hilarious. You act like it is heinous for someone to say that he is marginally talented. You see the charts, you know that it doesn't take someone of an incredible standard to sell records. If anything most people have been pretty realistic with the comments that they made about him, you just seem to be grasping since you disagree with the said comments in here. Ignorance really isn't bliss, huh?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 11:50:28 GMT -5
Why? Because he is talented. No. Well, he is talented at being a puppet. But in all seriousness, he must have something good about him, if he was chosen by Usher and Justin Timberlake out of the hundreds of Youtube stars.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Mar 10, 2011 11:57:11 GMT -5
Britney, at least, was a great dancer that set her apart from others as a performer, at least in the beginning half of her career. And even though it's nothing new, people aren't still going to like it. And Justin Bieber can play instruments, dance just as well as Britney can now, and has a better singing voice than her.
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Post by beach1 on Mar 10, 2011 12:04:13 GMT -5
Britney, at least, was a great dancer that set her apart from others as a performer, at least in the beginning half of her career. And even though it's nothing new, people aren't still going to like it. And Justin Bieber can play instruments, dance just as well as Britney can now, and has a better singing voice than her. Like I said, singing better than Britney is nothing to brag about. Also dancing as well as Britney does now, if the HIAM video is anything to go by, is not much to brag about either.. And while it's cool that he can play instruments, how well can he play them? Not only that, does he actually play them in his own music?
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Mar 10, 2011 12:12:00 GMT -5
And Justin Bieber can play instruments, dance just as well as Britney can now, and has a better singing voice than her. Like I said, singing better than Britney is nothing to brag about. Also dancing as well as Britney does now, if the HIAM video is anything to go by, is not much to brag about either.. And while it's cool that he can play instruments, how well can he play them? Not only that, does he actually play them in his own music? Not the point. Point is people are saying he's untalented and undeserving of his success when there are dozen of pop stars less talented than him and still highly successful.
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Post by Joe1240 on Mar 10, 2011 12:17:33 GMT -5
Like I said, singing better than Britney is nothing to brag about. Also dancing as well as Britney does now, if the HIAM video is anything to go by, is not much to brag about either.. And while it's cool that he can play instruments, how well can he play them? Not only that, does he actually play them in his own music? Not the point. Point is people are saying he's untalented and undeserving of his success when there are dozen of pop stars less talented than him and still highly successful. The Difference is someone like Britney Spears has earned her success.She has more talent in her finger then Bieber has. So Bieber can play the Drums,So can half of the people I know.Bieber is only dating Selena Gomez for a PR Stunt to boost his career.People are tired of being forcefed crap music like Bieber.The man has a ego the size of a volcano,heck he was talking junk after the Grammys on Chelsea Lately about Gaga and his Best New Artist Loss.Face the facts,Bieber is full of himself.
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Post by beach1 on Mar 10, 2011 12:18:06 GMT -5
Like I said, singing better than Britney is nothing to brag about. Also dancing as well as Britney does now, if the HIAM video is anything to go by, is not much to brag about either.. And while it's cool that he can play instruments, how well can he play them? Not only that, does he actually play them in his own music? Not the point. Point is people are saying he's untalented and undeserving of his success when there are dozen of pop stars less talented than him and still highly successful. Um, yeah, that is the point. The point is he doesn't have as much artistic talent to apply to his musical career yet he's so much more successful, and that's why a lot of people don't like him.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Mar 10, 2011 12:23:13 GMT -5
The Difference is someone like Britney Spears has earned her success.She has more talent in her finger then Bieber has. So Bieber can play the Drums,So can half of the people I know. So Britney could dance 10 years ago... so can half the people I know. So Taylor can write... so can half the people I know. So Kelly Clarkson can sing... so can half the people who went to my highschool. I guess none of them are talented because other people can do it too? Your argument is stupid. Um, yeah, that is the point. The point is he doesn't have as much artistic talent to apply to his musical career and that's why a lot of people don't like him. Then why do so many like other artist like Rihanna, Britney, Taylor or Katy Perry? How do they have more "artistic talent" than him? Can you explain to me exactly what "artistic talent" is?
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Post by PDC1987 on Mar 10, 2011 12:28:57 GMT -5
Not the point. Point is people are saying he's untalented and undeserving of his success when there are dozen of pop stars less talented than him and still highly successful. The Difference is someone like Britney Spears has earned her success.She has more talent in her finger then Bieber has. No. Not doing anything well doesn't match up to doing a few things marginally well.
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Post by Joe1240 on Mar 10, 2011 12:31:10 GMT -5
The Difference is someone like Britney Spears has earned her success.She has more talent in her finger then Bieber has. So Bieber can play the Drums,So can half of the people I know. So Britney could dance 10 years ago... so can half the people I know. So Taylor can write... so can half the people I know. So Kelly Clarkson can sing... so can half the people who went to my highschool. I guess none of them are talented because other people can do it too? Your argument is stupid. Um, yeah, that is the point. The point is he doesn't have as much artistic talent to apply to his musical career and that's why a lot of people don't like him. Then why do so many like other artist like Rihanna, Britney, Taylor or Katy Perry? How do they have more "artistic talent" than him? Can you explain to me exactly what "artistic talent" is? Justin Bieber=Aaron Carter 2.0. Same Little Kid Fanbase.Same Stupid dance moves.Same horrid songs.Can I explain any better to you? It's been done before.But saying someone like Bieber has more talent then someone like Britney Spears is insane.I'm not even a Britney fan here and I'm saying this.But hasn't Britney proven herself already.Someone like Bieber has nothing to prove.When his fanbase grow up,He will fade away faster then the Jonas Brothers.LOL Next Justin Timberlake,Sounds more like a joke.
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Post by beach1 on Mar 10, 2011 12:34:38 GMT -5
The Difference is someone like Britney Spears has earned her success.She has more talent in her finger then Bieber has. So Bieber can play the Drums,So can half of the people I know. So Britney could dance 10 years ago... so can half the people I know. So Taylor can write... so can half the people I know. So Kelly Clarkson can sing... so can half the people who went to my highschool. I guess none of them are talented because other people can do it too? Your argument is stupid. Um, yeah, that is the point. The point is he doesn't have as much artistic talent to apply to his musical career and that's why a lot of people don't like him. Then why do so many like other artist like Rihanna, Britney, Taylor or Katy Perry? How do they have more "artistic talent" than him? Can you explain to me exactly what "artistic talent" is? I don't know... a lot of people don't really have discerning taste and will listen to whatever's on the radio or tv? Rihanna can sing better than him. Britney could dance better than him in her earlier days and imo has a better-sounding or more-accessible voice than Bieber's. Taylor can write her own songs (although I still think she's pretty overrated.) Katy Perry is overrated too, but she doesn't seem as annoying as Bieber for some reason. Artistic talent for music artists: being able to sing well, dance well, write or compose good songs, etc.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Mar 10, 2011 12:41:55 GMT -5
Rihanna can sing better than him. LOL no. ] 10 years ago... still it's debatable. And the thread is asking why? What makes him so different from the female popstars that everyone gushes over, when he's just the same as them? He sings well.. Rihanna Taylor, Katy and Britney don't. He dances well. Rihanna, Taylor and Katy don't. Doesn't compose his songs... neither does Britney, but Rihanna (sometimes), Taylor & Katy do. Mediocrity in 3 talents > Mediocrity in 2 talents > Mediocrity in 1 talent. > Mediocrity in one talent that you had 10 years ago
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Post by beach1 on Mar 10, 2011 12:48:12 GMT -5
Rihanna can sing better than him. LOL no. ] 10 years ago... still it's debatable. And the thread is asking why? What makes him so different from the female popstars that everyone gushes over, when he's just the same as them? He sings well.. Rihanna Taylor, Katy and Britney don't. He dances well. Rihanna, Taylor and Katy don't. Doesn't compose his songs... neither does Britney, but Rihanna (sometimes), Taylor & Katy do. Mediocrity in 3 talents > Mediocrity in 2 talents > Mediocrity in 1 talent. Ok, whatever you say. I really don't care. All I know is I find him annoying and mediocre as a pop artist. If you can't deal with it, too bad.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Mar 10, 2011 12:51:36 GMT -5
Ok, whatever you say. I really don't care. All I know is I find him annoying and mediocre as a pop artist. And the thread wants to know why? If you can't answer it, why are you in this thread?
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Post by beach1 on Mar 10, 2011 12:57:38 GMT -5
I said "why" already. I don't think he's that great as a singer or dancer. Also something about him just strikes me as dorky and bugs me.
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Post by Ped on Mar 10, 2011 13:01:48 GMT -5
And the thread is asking why? What makes him so different from the female popstars that everyone gushes over, when he's just the same as them? The difference is that we aren't his demographic. He's prime demographic seems to be middle school girls, and unlike them most people here don't connect with him or his songs. That's probably why there is a lot of unanimous hate for him here, or amongst others in "our" demographic. Different demographics are attracted to different things, in my opinion, and almost everyone tends to think they're opinion or taste is the right one. This generally leads to demographics hating on one another's taste. You can see this with certain demographics hating rap or country music or pop/pop stars. They all have they're reasons and it mostly leads to their demographic (age, gender, location, up bringing). In the end it doesn't matter why he's famous, what matters is that he is famous. Someone out there likes him, and arguing why they do is really arguing about personal taste. And there is no right or wrong in personal taste. Unless their personal taste leads them to do something illegal
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Post by passionformusic on Mar 10, 2011 13:02:00 GMT -5
I think he is talented in realms of todays popular music. Plus he obviously has some kind of a charm factor. Hate for this kid has always baffled me.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 10, 2011 14:43:07 GMT -5
All of this is interesting and all but it still doesn't answer the question as to why people feel so threatened by him that they need to be so outspoken about why they hate him so much. If I were to mention Arcade Fire in my facebook status update, for example, I'd probably get very little in the way of replies or at the very least get a few *likes* whereas if I were to say the same thing regarding Bieber, I'd likely get an overwhelming number of responses telling me how much he sucks. I just can't quite ponder why that is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 15:12:52 GMT -5
^Because many people think he is gay, and are secretly homophobes.
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Post by Ped on Mar 10, 2011 15:13:50 GMT -5
All of this is interesting and all but it still doesn't answer the question as to why people feel so threatened by him that they need to be so outspoken about why they hate him so much. If I were to mention Arcade Fire in my facebook status update, for example, I'd probably get very little in the way of replies or at the very least get a few *likes* whereas if I were to say the same thing regarding Bieber, I'd likely get an overwhelming number of responses telling me how much he sucks. I just can't quite ponder why that is. Well add to what I said above the fact that he's huge right now with a big fan base and you'll see why people feel threatened. And I don't think it's so much "threatened" as it is "more vocal". They're more vocal about him because here is a guy from a different demographic that is becoming a huge star. When you see something you hate or disagree with blossoming, you are bound to be very vocal about it. It's the same thing between fan bases but it's on a larger scale here, and it's between demographics. Does anyone remember when rap was on the rise? Everyone and their mother that was from a different demographic was hating on the big rap stars. Additionally, the "he looks like a lesbian" thing became viral. When something becomes cool, there are lots of band-wagoners that jump on just to be cool as well. So you have another group of people that are hating on him just because of the viral factor.
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Post by atlantaboy on Mar 10, 2011 15:17:30 GMT -5
For me, it kind of bothers me when people are bigger in the media than they actually are when it comes down to actual songs - it's like people who know nothing about music are using the music business for profit, and essentially no legitimate music is being made
It almost seems like Bieber attracts people who don't like, or know anything about music
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Post by kt1990 on Mar 10, 2011 15:19:55 GMT -5
if I were to say the same thing regarding Bieber, I'd likely get an overwhelming number of responses telling me how much he sucks. I just can't quite ponder why that is. Because he does suck. It's simple really.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Mar 10, 2011 15:21:53 GMT -5
if I were to say the same thing regarding Bieber, I'd likely get an overwhelming number of responses telling me how much he sucks. I just can't quite ponder why that is. Because he does suck. It's simple really. He's not asking for your opinion on Bieber, he's asking why is that your opinion. "He sucks because he sucks" isn't an answer. And even if you do explain your opinion he wants to know why people spend so much time and energy hating an artist that shouldn't have any affect on you.
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Post by Black Jesus on Mar 10, 2011 15:39:09 GMT -5
You see the charts, you know that it doesn't take someone of an incredible standard to sell records. ???
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Post by K. on Mar 10, 2011 16:27:08 GMT -5
Because his fans will killlllll you!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 21:10:47 GMT -5
Ok, whatever you say. I really don't care. All I know is I find him annoying and mediocre as a pop artist. If you can't deal with it, too bad.The irony in this statement is that you come across as having an equally hard time dealing with the fact that there is someone over the age of twelve who *gasp* doesn't find him annoying and mediocre as a pop artist. And that's really too bad. As to why does anyone feel 'threatened' by Bieber - well I think a different word must be used, because people who vehemently hate the guy will also vehemently detest the idea that you think they're "threatened" by him. That's a huge insult to them, and so you'll never get an answer to your question, just more shouting about what an untalented brat he is. So I'd tweak the question to ask, why do people feel the need to be SO vocal about their hate for him. I think it is a combination of things already mentioned here: - His fans are obnoxious as hell. This probably makes up 90% of the annoyance. I see it happen in Idol fandom all the time - annoying stans ruin that particular artist for everyone else, and the end result is that the artist is the one most hurt by it b/c he or she can't gain any more fans, thus the artist image becomes irrevocably linked to the negative image of the fans. When those fans finally move on to ruining someone else's life with their special brand of love, the artist is left with little to nothing to sustain or rebuild a career, since all other people were turned against him/her.
- The image that Justin's label/management have chosen to market is contradictory to the level of talent that he has. So even if one could definitively say "Yes, he IS talented!" the anti-Beliebers can aptly point out that it's pointless to be talented if you don't actually show that talent. It doesn't matter if he can play several instruments if he instead decides to run around on stage (and while I do think he has a decent voice, he really is not good at moving and singing at the same time, so this just makes him look even worse).
- When Justin first started he was (IMO) cute and humble and had an adorable personality, like a puppy. Now that he's been around for a couple of years I've noticed that he has started to seem more arrogant, or as the old folks here would say, he's started smelling himself. That IS a turnoff. But he wouldn't be the first and won't be the last to whom this has happened. In fact, the very same thing happened to Gaga in my opinion. That doesn't discredit her as a performer though, and neither does the more annoying contingent of her fanbase, BUT the combination of the increased arrogance and the overwhelming arrogance of some of her fans does nothing to endear me to her anymore. Same with Justin - he's no less of a performer than anyone else, but the combination of a personality that is no longer puppy-dog cute and the overwhelming arrogance and stupidity of most of his fans does nothing to help his cause to those outside of his fanbase.
There is an interesting counterpoint to this, though: his haters are almost as obnoxious as his fans IMO. When people encounter obnoxiousness their opinion is more likely to be pushed in the opposite direction...so now, you end up with Bieber defenders who normally would have been neutral to the guy because they're never any place where they would experience his crazy fans firsthand, but are turned off by firsthand experience with what seems to be irrational hatred for a 16-year old kid. (exhibit A: myself, this post) Not the point. Point is people are saying he's untalented and undeserving of his success when there are dozen of pop stars less talented than him and still highly successful. The Difference is someone like Britney Spears has earned her success. And you know this how? This is one of my biggest pet peeves, this idea that any one of us can determine who has and hasn't "earned" their success. (I'm an Idoloonie and Idol contestants get this thrown at them a lot so I've become super sensitive to it over the years.) Someone can bust their ass only to get five minutes of success while someone else can basically have the world thrown at their feet for twenty years without really lifting a finger. How would we ever know the difference? We don't see what these singers do on their down time; we only know what the labels choose to show us via marketing decisions. So Big Machine really wants you to know that Taylor Swift's writes all her songs, while Def Jam really doesn't care to let you know Justin has co-writing credits on several of his songs, including the entire My World 2.0 CD. Putting Bieber up on stage with a stool and a guitar doesn't interest them, regardless of the fact that he could do it and have just as many fans (if not more; if he'd been positioned as an acoustic/singer-songwriter type from the beginning I bet he'd have a lot more respect from people right now). Second of all, Britney is not a good example for the point you're trying to prove b/c when she first started, she was an immediate success and MANY people insisted the same thing that is being insisted about Justin right now, that she hadn't worked for it and thus in their minds hadn't "earned" it. All of the bubblegum acts were treated with the very same lack of respect, mostly from older people and pop snobs, that Justin is getting now. Idol contestants, same thing. Usually the only way any of them get respect is if they manage to last for several years, after which people begrudgingly admit that they must have done something to hang around this long. (Funny contradiction with Britney as she now works LESS than she did in the beginning, but it's only now that people will say she's earned her success. I guess hindsight is 20/20.)
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Post by beach1 on Mar 11, 2011 2:42:45 GMT -5
Ok, whatever you say. I really don't care. All I know is I find him annoying and mediocre as a pop artist. If you can't deal with it, too bad.The irony in this statement is that you come across as having an equally hard time dealing with the fact that there is someone over the age of twelve who *gasp* doesn't find him annoying and mediocre as a pop artist. And that's really too bad. Nice job pulling that opinion out of your butt.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Mar 11, 2011 6:25:03 GMT -5
His fans are fucking mental. Crazy people! To be honest though, over here, he's not really seen as any kind of force... just an annoying kid. Which is exactly how it should be.
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Post by Lozzy on Mar 12, 2011 4:48:25 GMT -5
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