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Post by Lozzy on Jan 13, 2012 22:18:13 GMT -5
What if she performed a new song? Then she'd have made the smartest move she could have possibly made at the point in time. She needs to surprise us with a smash hit from a new EP. ;)
I would like new material, but don't you think it's a little too soon to premiere a new single in a month from now? While it is a great promotional opportunity, I think it would be better for her to at least wait until the summer to kick off a new single and EP or whatever. That is if there is no sixth single, of course.
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Post by josh on Jan 13, 2012 22:22:03 GMT -5
Then she'd have made the smartest move she could have possibly made at the point in time. She needs to surprise us with a smash hit from a new EP. ;)
I would like new material, but don't you think it's a little too soon to premiere a new single in a month from now? While it is a great promotional opportunity, I think it would be better for her to at least wait until the summer to kick off a new single and EP or whatever. That is if there is no sixth single, of course. I agree it's probably too soon, but it would be a great time to premiere new music though.
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Post by Caviar on Jan 13, 2012 22:25:00 GMT -5
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Post by Kii on Jan 13, 2012 22:59:08 GMT -5
Then she'd have made the smartest move she could have possibly made at the point in time. She needs to surprise us with a smash hit from a new EP. ;)
I would like new material, but don't you think it's a little too soon to premiere a new single in a month from now? While it is a great promotional opportunity, I think it would be better for her to at least wait until the summer to kick off a new single and EP or whatever. That is if there is no sixth single, of course.
If there's one thing we've learned over the past few years, it's that it's never too soon to release new material if it's good. Especially when momentum seems to have hit a wall. Case and point: Bad Romance, We R Who We R, Only Girl (and several other rihanna singles past few years) etc. Things seem to have hit a point where if she came out with something that was surprisingly catchy and good compared to her past few singles, people would eat it up. They're digging too deep into the album for singles which aren't hit singles imo.
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Post by Lozzy on Jan 13, 2012 23:13:44 GMT -5
I would like new material, but don't you think it's a little too soon to premiere a new single in a month from now? While it is a great promotional opportunity, I think it would be better for her to at least wait until the summer to kick off a new single and EP or whatever. That is if there is no sixth single, of course.
If there's one thing we've learned over the past few years, it's that it's never too soon to release new material if it's good. Especially when momentum seems to have hit a wall. Case and point: Bad Romance, We R Who We R, Only Girl (and several other rihanna singles past few years) etc. Things seem to have hit a point where if she came out with something that was surprisingly catchy and good compared to her past few singles, people would eat it up. They're digging too deep into the album for singles which aren't hit singles imo. That is true. I don't really have anything to respond to that with. Well, if she wants to, I guess she can!
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Post by ALEX GONE WILD on Jan 13, 2012 23:18:05 GMT -5
I don't care if anything else is a hit from this album, I still want ScheiΓe, Bloody Mary, and Heavy Metal Lover released.
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Post by josh on Jan 13, 2012 23:18:54 GMT -5
I would like new material, but don't you think it's a little too soon to premiere a new single in a month from now? While it is a great promotional opportunity, I think it would be better for her to at least wait until the summer to kick off a new single and EP or whatever. That is if there is no sixth single, of course.
If there's one thing we've learned over the past few years, it's that it's never too soon to release new material if it's good. Especially when momentum seems to have hit a wall. Case and point: Bad Romance, We R Who We R, Only Girl (and several other rihanna singles past few years) etc. Things seem to have hit a point where if she came out with something that was surprisingly catchy and good compared to her past few singles, people would eat it up. They're digging too deep into the album for singles which aren't hit singles imo. I guess if she really is going for an EP of the "dark side" of BTW (not sure if those are just rumors or not), then releasing a song now would be just like TF/TFM. I say go for it, because that means new music for me now :) But her next video (real video, not video single if that happens) needs to be by a big name director. She needs another big video in her catalog; the past ones aren't really doing much for her. MTN did great at first, but is now slowed way down. A huge video from a huge director could do a new single wonders for her. *hoping*
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 13, 2012 23:40:50 GMT -5
I'm going to change my mind and say she shouldn't do a new song of any sort soonish. I've got a bad feeling the Madonna vs. GaGa thing could heat up and things will get too distracted. Having them going head-to-head with their singles, while interesting, could backfire. I actually almost feel like she should cease single-releases, go ahead with the tour and save any new material for the end of the year.
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Post by ALEX GONE WILD on Jan 13, 2012 23:41:13 GMT -5
The "dark side" of BTW is just a rumor. I'd actually love a lighter, more colorful side of her for the next album, or EP- I've always thought a good name of it would be Reborn This Way. Although that kinda goes against "Born This Way".
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Post by David on Jan 14, 2012 0:22:03 GMT -5
So, it's been confirmed she is performing at the Grammys?
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Post by josh on Jan 14, 2012 0:26:01 GMT -5
So, it's been confirmed she is performing at the Grammys? I don't think so. Not yet anyways.
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Post by Lozzy on Jan 14, 2012 6:02:38 GMT -5
I don't want a "dark side" of Born This Way. I honestly feel like Born This Way is dark enough, and what she needs is something more light and "colorful" to help her with commercial success. I like dark commercial pop, but she's much more likely to find success with something not so dark.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 6:27:07 GMT -5
honestly, I love gaga but i'd like her to leave the spotlight for about a year and a half and then wow us. take rhianna and katy too.
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Post by Lozzy on Jan 14, 2012 6:32:34 GMT -5
^ Now that's certainly too long.
17 18 LADY GAGA Marry The Night 4581 4993 -412 24.873
β 161 Spins β 157 Bullet β 1.113 Audience
Freefallin'. :(
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Post by Glove Slap on Jan 14, 2012 9:11:15 GMT -5
Assuming this is now finished, how long did it take to lose its bullet?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 14, 2012 20:28:49 GMT -5
I believe this is also the first time this era that a song of hers is falling without having a followup already on the rise. Of course the turnover to this is almost as quick as Judas was. What's the chart run for Marry The Night so far? This is only its 7th week in the Top 40?
Also, would people say this song is a bigger hit than Judas? I was thinking about it a few days ago and I feel like they're about on par. This song will have better longevity but Judas had the hype and the attention from the video whereas this one pretty well went unnoticed other than from fans and modest/moderate radio airplay. Judas had the explosive beginning and a higher Hot 100 peak.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 20:32:49 GMT -5
I'm not shocked in the slightest about its early decline. I truly believe that "Judas" will even be more remembered than this in the long run. If she doesn't have any new music to release, I'd want her to release Hair before the tour since it could be another top 10 hit for her.
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Post by Choco on Jan 14, 2012 20:49:15 GMT -5
Judas had a better start and more hype, so it will be remembered more, despite Marry having more longevity.
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Post by Scotty on Jan 14, 2012 20:50:21 GMT -5
It's funny how Judas was essentially an overall flop (Its top 10 peak actually saves its overall reputation) but so many people know it exists and are well acquainted with it despite not enjoying its religious ties. Youtube views are also outstanding and will probably reach 150 million by the middle of the year or a little later and could potentially certify 1x Platinum (does anyone have the updates on this, by any chance?). I do think Marry The Night will be the least relevant of the singles this era (so far, if more than Hair is release to radio).
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 14, 2012 21:43:40 GMT -5
I agree, Finch. I am also surprised to see how many people actually really like Judas or talk about it as the hit that should have been. MTN will definitely be the "forgotten" single of this era.
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Post by Lozzy on Jan 14, 2012 22:21:25 GMT -5
"Marry the Night" was bigger than "Judas" on radio statistically, but "Judas" will be more remembered. I believe this is also the first time this era that a song of hers is falling without having a followup already on the rise. Of course the turnover to this is almost as quick as Judas was. What's the chart run for Marry The Night so far? This is only its 7th week in the Top 40? On the top 40 with recurrents, "Born This Way" peaked on 3/27 and "Judas" entered on 4/24. Then, "Judas" peaked on 5/8 and "The Edge of Glory" entered on 5/22. Next, "The Edge of Glory" peaked on 6/26 and "YoΓΌ and I" entered on 8/21. Lastly, "YoΓΌ and I" peaked on 10/16 and "Marry the Night" entered on 11/20. Make the entry dates a week or two earlier to account for the chart without recurrents, and three of them still work. I don't know where you got that idea from. As for the second part of that, the chart published about 24 hours from now will be the ninth week in the top 40 for "Marry the Night", with or without recurrents.
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Post by Sir Benji on Jan 14, 2012 22:23:09 GMT -5
She should start her tour then release "Hair".
I think they should hold off on releasing new material until next January.
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Post by Oprah on Jan 14, 2012 22:27:01 GMT -5
It's funny how Judas was essentially an overall flop (Its top 10 peak actually saves its overall reputation) but so many people know it exists and are well acquainted with it despite not enjoying its religious ties. Youtube views are also outstanding and will probably reach 150 million by the middle of the year or a little later and could potentially certify 1x Platinum (does anyone have the updates on this, by any chance?). I do think Marry The Night will be the least relevant of the singles this era (so far, if more than Hair is release to radio). I really don't get why Judas flopped; sure, the religious shtick was extremely tired and it's a bit of a Bad Romance clone, but it's also as good as her other singles were this era and fit in well with everything else on pop radio in 2011. I think most of her issues of late have come down to overexposure; it'd probably be best for her to end the era, go on tour, and let some hype build up for her return.
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Post by Lozzy on Jan 14, 2012 22:29:06 GMT -5
It's funny how Judas was essentially an overall flop (Its top 10 peak actually saves its overall reputation) but so many people know it exists and are well acquainted with it despite not enjoying its religious ties. Youtube views are also outstanding and will probably reach 150 million by the middle of the year or a little later and could potentially certify 1x Platinum (does anyone have the updates on this, by any chance?). I do think Marry The Night will be the least relevant of the singles this era (so far, if more than Hair is release to radio). I really don't get why Judas flopped; sure, the religious shtick was extremely tired and it's a bit of a Bad Romance clone, but it's also as good as her other singles were this era and fit in well with everything else on pop radio in 2011. I think most of her issues of late have come down to overexposure; it'd probably be best for her to end the era, go on tour, and let some hype build up for her return. Honestly, I still don't really get it either.
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Jan 14, 2012 22:58:44 GMT -5
Judas had a better start and more hype, so it will be remembered more, despite Marry having more longevity. I still have only heard this song twice ... both when I listening to the album back when it came out. Judas was at least popular briefly cause it had more hype ... my CHRs had it subpower for a week or two. This song, nope, never heard it on the radio, in a club, or nothing.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 14, 2012 23:10:43 GMT -5
On the top 40 with recurrents, "Born This Way" peaked on 3/27 and "Judas" entered on 4/24. Then, "Judas" peaked on 5/8 and "The Edge of Glory" entered on 5/22. Next, "The Edge of Glory" peaked on 6/26 and "YoΓΌ and I" entered on 8/21. Lastly, "YoΓΌ and I" peaked on 10/16 and "Marry the Night" entered on 11/20. Make the entry dates a week or two earlier to account for the chart without recurrents, and three of them still work. I don't know where you got that idea from. I believe in each situation the next single was at least announced and the prior single had yet to actually begin its freefall or was otherwise near where it peaked, wasn't it? Marry The Night peaked nearly a month ago and there's no word on what the next plan of action will be. MTN could fall off the chart before another GaGa single takes its place, if there is one.
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Post by August on Jan 15, 2012 7:47:39 GMT -5
I definitely think Judas will be a bit more remembered. She seemed to have done more high-profile performances of that song and it was coming right off of the big hit that was Born This Way. So perhaps, the public was more aware of the song and video. Also, the album wasn't even released yet, so there was still hype and anticipation for new material.
With Marry the Night, aside from New Years eve and Grammy nomination show, it seemed the bulk of the performances were on foreign programming that would only really be seen by folks in the host country and the uber-fans over here. Plus, it is the 5th single off of an album that had been out for over 6 months, so maybe the fresh factor was waning a bit.
I was out with some friends last night (my birthday, woohoo!) and MTN came on and I asked them what they thought of it. No one had heard it before and they were all like "Ugh, Gaga I am so sick of her. Go away, etc." So perhaps she has some of that working against her? I have always been a take her or leave her kind of fan. Casual fan of the music but never really bowled over by her.
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Post by divasummer on Jan 15, 2012 11:45:38 GMT -5
I Loved Judas but I knew a few people who were irked with all of the Juda, Judas/ Ga Ga chants.
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Post by bat1990 on Jan 15, 2012 11:53:44 GMT -5
Perhaps this would've performed better if released as the 2nd single.
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Post by jink on Jan 15, 2012 12:02:10 GMT -5
Perhaps this would've performed better if released as the 2nd single. Eh, if it couldn't be a hit now with radio's backing, the promo and the video, it's just not a hit. It's a good thing Jimmy Iovine knew TEOG was a much better choice than this after Judas. Anyway, if Gaga's really that proud of MTN then I'm glad she got to make a video for it.
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