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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 12:07:20 GMT -5
I think the problem with Judas(and this) is that for gaga its so "been their done that". The thing that made GaGa so successful during her first era in my opinion is that everything was so FRESH, like every new single was a new discovery(piano playing an proving she could sing, finding out what her lyrics meant, new crazy costumes) the fact that the public hadn't seen a star like Gaga in a long time probably made her flaws back then seem a lot less significant. Now that the "fresh" aspect of GaGa is gone its much easier to see her mistakes an think of the antics that made her famous as annoying. I think for GaGa to get her hype back, she needs a entirely new persona. Its not that she isn't doing quality work that isn't interesting, its just people don't care anymore.
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Post by GrΓΌn on Jan 15, 2012 12:11:21 GMT -5
I see why Judas wasn't a hit. It just wasn't catchy. It felt like it had too much going on. I also knew Marry the Night wasn't going to smash. Something about the chorus was saying it wasn't fast enough for radio standards. People said You and I would flop and I thought it had a sound that would put it in the top ten.
Not saying I am a music genius. My point is even if you love the song, you should know that some songs shouldn't be released to radio. Just like Judas. Some said smash and it would be number one but you just know it wouldn't. Judas has lyrics that some say are highly "offensive" but more importantly no one can relate to it. Who is really in love judas baby and puts a condom on their ear.
Songs like YOU & I and Edge of Glory..... Born this Way. They were catchy but the lyrics could be understood and people felt the same way she did. Who couldnt relate to even one of those songs?
Edge of Glory for example. In the Summer, we would go to parties and this song would be blasting in peoples car. It became a symbol of partying and having a night by living on the edge.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2012 13:28:42 GMT -5
Judas is still my favorite single from this era, You and I being second with this as a close third. I coulda done without The Edge Of Glory but I understand it being a single.
I think the chorus for this is good, I think its the verses that hinder it.
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Post by ALEX GONE WILD on Jan 15, 2012 13:57:38 GMT -5
I see why Judas wasn't a hit. It just wasn't catchy. It felt like it had too much going on. I also knew Marry the Night wasn't going to smash. Something about the chorus was saying it wasn't fast enough for radio standards. People said You and I would flop and I thought it had a sound that would put it in the top ten. Not saying I am a music genius. My point is even if you love the song, you should know that some songs shouldn't be released to radio. Just like Judas. Some said smash and it would be number one but you just know it wouldn't. Judas has lyrics that some say are highly "offensive" but more importantly no one can relate to it. Who is really in love judas baby and puts a condom on their ear. Songs like YOU & I and Edge of Glory..... Born this Way. They were catchy but the lyrics could be understood and people felt the same way she did. Who couldnt relate to even one of those songs? Edge of Glory for example. In the Summer, we would go to parties and this song would be blasting in peoples car. It became a symbol of partying and having a night by living on the edge. I disagree with you on Marry The Night. Sorry. I think it's one of the most mainstream songs on the album, and a hell of a single.
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Post by poplife on Jan 15, 2012 15:08:53 GMT -5
I was convinced Judas was going to be just as big as "Born This Way" (in terms of #1 all over the world)... Oh bless that little monster in me!
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Post by August on Jan 15, 2012 20:34:16 GMT -5
A reader wrote into Billboard magazine asking about Marry the Night missing the Hot 100 Top 10 and which artist had the most career opening Top 10s (Madonna doesn't count, as she had released several singles before she had his first top 10 with Borderline.)
Here is the response:
I'd have to agree that "Marry the Night" will likely fall short of the Hot 100's top 10. After reaching a peak of No. 29 four weeks ago, the song has since slipped 33-39-37-39.
More troublesome, despite roaring onto the Pop Songs radio airplay chart at No. 24 in December, "Marry" rose to No. 14 in its fourth week, held there for a second frame and has since fallen 15-16-16. With mainstream top 40 Gaga's home radio format, the song's regression there doesn't indicate that a Hot 100 rebound is likely.
Sales, too, have subsided, with "Marry" having peaked at No. 30 so far on the Digital Songs survey four weeks ago.
Why has "Marry" not become the fifth Hot 100 top 10 from "Born This Way"?
For one, fifth singles typically suffer from decreased buzz, since the initial excitement of a set's release has since worn off.
Pop radio also tends to value melody above all, and it's possible that "Marry" is, ultimately, more of a club groove than a top 40 natural. Perhaps it's similar to, for example, Madonna's "Keep It Together" or "Rescue Me," which peaked at Nos. 8 and 9 on the Hot 100 in 1990 and 1991, respectively. The songs were pop-centric enough to receive top 40 attention, but more dance in nature than previous such smashes as, for instance, "Material Girl" or "Like a Prayer." Or, for Gaga, "Poker Face" or "Bad Romance," each of which, it could be argued, boast more obvious, fully-crafted and unique hooks than "Marry."
Still, Gaga's career launch has been one of the most impressive in the 53-year history of the Hot 100.
And, you're partially right, Trevor: Mariah Carey holds the mark for career-opening most top 10 singles, although only among brand new artists. Counting acts that went solo after being in groups, as well, here's how the record book stacks up (holiday songs, charted album cuts not promoted to radio and featured turns excluded, unless they add to the streak):
Career-Opening Top 10s, Artist, Span 13, Lionel Richie (post-Commodores; 1981-87) 12, George Michael (during/post-Wham!; 1985-90) 11, Mariah Carey (1990-94) 11, Lady Gaga (2008-11) 9, New Kids on the Block (1988-90) 8, Bruno Mars (2010-12; still active streak) 7, Air Supply (1980-82) 7, Taylor Dayne (1988-90) 7, Expose (1987-90) 7, Gary Lewis and the Playboys (1965-66) 7, the Lovin' Spoonful (1965-67) 7, Richard Marx (1987-89) 7, Monica (1995-99) 7, Ricky Nelson (1958-59)
(The Beatles, by the way, stopped short of the top 10 after three titles, as "I Saw Her Standing There" peaked at No. 14 amid the glut of their songs' availability upon the onslaught of early Beatlemania).
While Gaga's streak appears to have ended, we shouldn't overlook that she's tied Mariah Carey for the most Hot 100 top 10s among solo artists who didn't first became well-known in groups (i.e., Richie, Michael). "Anytime You Need a Friend" was Carey's "Marry," having stopped at No. 12 in 1994. Like the dance lean of "Marry," "Friend" may have been a bit too gospel/adult R&B for mainstream pop audiences. The ballad was also the fourth single from Carey's album "Music Box," so artist and album burn may have factored in.
Most notably for Gaga, her run of hits signifies more than just a collection of songs; she started a movement. Her sound ignited dance music to new heights of mainstream popularity, paving, in part, acceptance for such acts as David Guetta to become current pop music cornerstones.
And, considering Gaga's status as one of music's most recognizable superstars, like most chart records, big-picture-wise, the potential end of her career-starting top 10 streak shouldn't hurt her overall momentum. Her next new studio album release is certain to elicit event status, with a return to the Hot 100's top 10 for a sure-to-be strong first single a good bet
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Post by when the pawn... on Jan 16, 2012 10:56:40 GMT -5
We need Schiebe now. I think Hair would be a mistake - with MTN having made very little noise, I think Hair would be easy to get passed over. Schiebe POPS more and even if it's too German/weird/whatever to be a huge hit, it will at least make some impact. Looking at the iTunes release of Hair and the post-performance nothings its received w/ digital sales, I don't see why it'd be a big hit. Put out "Schiebe", if just for a great video, Grammy performance and something to tide us over while she begins the tour.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Jan 16, 2012 11:39:30 GMT -5
It might be time to focus on the tour and not another single.
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Post by josh on Jan 16, 2012 13:10:00 GMT -5
It might be time to focus on the tour and not another single. I think that's exactly what she's doing. Nothing has been said about a new single, MTN is already down to #23 on pop, and is falling fast. Plus she keeps posting on Facebook/tweeting about various things she's working on for the tour.
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Post by newpower99 on Jan 16, 2012 13:30:10 GMT -5
great info , great article . Thanks for passing along . Congrats to Gaga on that great accomplishment of 11 consecutive top tens to start her career.
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Post by Choco on Jan 16, 2012 18:09:13 GMT -5
She has a very impressive career, no matter what you think of her music.
I agree with Kishi, maybe it's time to stop releasing singles from this album.
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Post by liberalmusiclover on Jan 17, 2012 14:55:39 GMT -5
I'm here for "Scheisse" or "Government Hooker"... I honestly think either could do the trick. Both are so different than what's out there now, and her uniqueness is what put her on the map. "Heavy Metal Lover" would flop though.
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Post by ALEX GONE WILD on Jan 17, 2012 15:49:58 GMT -5
ScheiΓe definitely needs to be next.
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Post by esoteric76 on Jan 17, 2012 15:56:41 GMT -5
I'm pulling for Hair!
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Post by ALEX GONE WILD on Jan 17, 2012 16:05:45 GMT -5
I want ScheiΓe next, then Hair after that.
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Jan 17, 2012 16:32:40 GMT -5
Has anyone from her camp said whether or not they're doing another single for sure? If so, I'm 100% Team HAIR! That's one of the better produced, and catchy songs on the entire album. Hair would surely do as well as You and I, at the very least.
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Post by ALEX GONE WILD on Jan 17, 2012 16:33:37 GMT -5
Has anyone from her camp said whether or not they're doing another single for sure? If so, I'm 100% Team HAIR! That's one of the better produced, and catchy songs on the entire album. Hair would surely do as well as You and I, at the very least. I doubt they are stopping now.
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Post by liberalmusiclover on Jan 17, 2012 16:42:56 GMT -5
I agree with the earlier poster about not getting all the hype for Hair. It's just bland. The only reason it had a large number of first week sales was because it was included as a promo single to hype the release of Born This Way. Scheisse (and even Americano) is outselling Hair on iTunes. It's catchy and undeniable, especially the chorus. I wouldn't rank Hair anywhere near her less performing singles (compared to the success of her songs like Just Dance, Poker Face, Bad Romance, Telephone, and Born This Way) such as Alejandro, or even Judas and You and I.
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Post by ALEX GONE WILD on Jan 17, 2012 17:39:00 GMT -5
I agree with the earlier poster about not getting all the hype for Hair. It's just bland. The only reason it had a large number of first week sales was because it was included as a promo single to hype the release of Born This Way. Scheisse (and even Americano) is outselling Hair on iTunes. It's catchy and undeniable, especially the chorus. I wouldn't rank Hair anywhere near her less performing singles (compared to the success of her songs like Just Dance, Poker Face, Bad Romance, Telephone, and Born This Way) such as Alejandro, or even Judas and You and I. The only bland song on the album is The Queen.
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Post by josh on Jan 17, 2012 17:55:22 GMT -5
I agree with the earlier poster about not getting all the hype for Hair. It's just bland. The only reason it had a large number of first week sales was because it was included as a promo single to hype the release of Born This Way. Scheisse (and even Americano) is outselling Hair on iTunes. It's catchy and undeniable, especially the chorus. I wouldn't rank Hair anywhere near her less performing singles (compared to the success of her songs like Just Dance, Poker Face, Bad Romance, Telephone, and Born This Way) such as Alejandro, or even Judas and You and I. The only bland song on the album is The Queen. The Queen is a beast. But this thread... I feel like it shouldn't really be open anymore lol
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 17, 2012 20:51:39 GMT -5
It can stay open but a lot of the discussion as of late might be better in the album thread.
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Post by pnobelysk on Jan 17, 2012 20:56:56 GMT -5
I want ScheiΓe next, then Hair after that. 7 singles is past pushing it, we will be very lucky to get a 6th.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 17, 2012 21:53:52 GMT -5
If I had to guess, I would say there's something being planned as far as having some sort of a single that isn't from the album, whether it be the Cher collab, or that hypothetical "what-if" appearance with Madonna at the Super Bowl.
I wish Push The Button would come back and confirm or deny whether anything is being planned - even if no details are given. :(
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Post by Scotty on Jan 17, 2012 23:50:52 GMT -5
I've been wondering if the Cher collaboration was so good they decided to save it for the new album. Dundunduuuuun.
Probably not, but it would be a good tool for staying on radio between eras.
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Post by August on Jan 18, 2012 7:11:20 GMT -5
If I had to guess, I would say there's something being planned as far as having some sort of a single that isn't from the album, whether it be the Cher collab, or that hypothetical "what-if" appearance with Madonna at the Super Bowl. I wish Push The Button would come back and confirm or deny whether anything is being planned - even if no details are given. :( I highly doubt they would be performing together at this point. Madonna probably would not have taken the slight dig at Gaga if they were about to work together in such a public setting. Though it would be kind of hysterical.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jan 18, 2012 14:40:29 GMT -5
Unless the dig was planned from the very beginning. Madonna performing on the SB is a big deal but EVERYONE and their dead great grandmother would be talking about it GaGa appeared out of nowhere and they did a mashup of Born This Way/Express Yourself or something.
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Post by josh on Jan 18, 2012 14:46:08 GMT -5
Unless the dig was planned from the very beginning. Madonna performing on the SB is a big deal but EVERYONE and their dead great grandmother would be talking about it GaGa appeared out of nowhere and they did a mashup of Born This Way/Express Yourself or something. That would be amazing. I doubt it though, but I can hope. When is the Superbowl?
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Post by Lozzy on Jan 18, 2012 23:11:27 GMT -5
Unless the dig was planned from the very beginning. Madonna performing on the SB is a big deal but EVERYONE and their dead great grandmother would be talking about it GaGa appeared out of nowhere and they did a mashup of Born This Way/Express Yourself or something. That would be amazing. I doubt it though, but I can hope. When is the Superbowl? February 5.
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Post by lugus15 on Jan 18, 2012 23:18:28 GMT -5
Marry the Night was obviously the wrong choice for a single.
Hair was the one who should have been the 5th single.
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Post by When I Ruled the World on Jan 18, 2012 23:23:38 GMT -5
I wish Push The Button would come back and confirm or deny whether anything is being planned - even if no details are given. :( I really wouldn't be surprised if Push The Button got a PM to keep quiet... but I miss his contributions in Gaga's threads as well. Like you, I think that something is in the works, and that is why we don't have any news on the next single. I also think she is waiting for the Madonna hype to die down.... which could mean we won't hear anything for another month. They are both on Interscope now, so they don't want to steal each other's thunder. Also, Madonna's first single in years is bigger news than Gaga's 6th single... so Gaga would be wise to wait. Like it or not, the media would have a field day comparing Madonna's 1st single with Gaga's 6th.
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