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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2012 7:32:35 GMT -5
I think the important thing about the Nelly Furtado album is for people here who bought the album to enjoy it rather than worry why others are not buying it.
Promotion, itunes, youtube, etc will only get you so far if interest in your music is not as big as it used to be
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 20, 2012 8:17:45 GMT -5
CRJ's audience doesn't want albums. They want singles. Carly should just keep releasing singles and not even waste time releasing an album. Releasing an album is just a quick short term cash grab by the record company. Carly would be far better off trying to sell good singles rather than rush together an album so the record company could make a quick cash grab at Carly's expense as an artist.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 20, 2012 8:20:42 GMT -5
Yah. I don't know why an album's level of commercial success would personally impact one's enjoyment of it. Sure, it's nice if a bunch of people are appreciating it and showing interest by buying it. But in the end, it shouldn't impact your own enjoyment of it.
As with any period, there's stuff that dominates the charts that I would never even think of listening to or buying. But, more power to the ones who do. :)
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Post by Lozzy on Sept 20, 2012 8:27:33 GMT -5
CRJ's audience doesn't want albums. I do. I love the album.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 20, 2012 10:35:58 GMT -5
Plus artists make more money off albums.
An artist may make 30 cents off a digital single sale.
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Post by asg4 on Sept 20, 2012 11:03:18 GMT -5
Plus artists make more money off albums. An artist may make 30 cents off a digital single sale. not even that i think the royaly rate is like 8% the record company gets back 70% from itunes
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 20, 2012 11:32:36 GMT -5
^And if they wrote the song, the rate is higher.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Sept 20, 2012 12:02:08 GMT -5
FALL’S HEAVY ARTILLERY: The deluge of initial preorders for Take Me Home, the sophomore album from One Direction (Syco/Columbia, 11/13), is giving the release the look of a commercial giant, with most expecting a first week north of 500k, writes I.B. Bad in his latest column, posting Friday morning. That will give it a good shot at being the year’s second biggest debut behind Taylor Swift’s Red (Big Machine, 10/22), for which a rare million-selling bow appears to be within reach. (9/20a)
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Sept 20, 2012 12:21:43 GMT -5
Tay Tay the slayer coming for another Million.
I don't think 1D will make 500k though.
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Post by josh on Sept 20, 2012 12:24:18 GMT -5
Why not? The pre-orders are #33 and #59 on iTunes, the yearbook edition was #1 for several days, they were in the top 10 simultaneously for several days, etc. Not to mention the sales they'll get from not pre-orders. I think it's very feasible.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 20, 2012 12:52:30 GMT -5
Plus artists make more money off albums. An artist may make 30 cents off a digital single sale. CRJ will be lucky to scan platinum and she could have 5 or 6 singles in a row scanning 2 million without ever having to do a full on album. Artists barely make anything from albums. Most of the albums are filled with mostly crap no one is ever going to listen to. The quicker the record company encourages people to buy singles, the faster people will start buying them in the millions.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Sept 20, 2012 13:10:58 GMT -5
1D can go gold their 1st week? :o
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Sept 20, 2012 13:14:31 GMT -5
Carly's numbers are absolutely fine. Anyone expecting anywhere around 100k is far too optimistic. Pushing 50k may have been doable (and possibly still is), but a novelty single like "Call Me Maybe" will not encourage a massive album opening. Outside of the odd pulse-member, why would a member of the general public invest in a whole album by her based on that one catchy single? As has been pointed out, Katy Perry is the best parallel to look at - massive hit single that was a novelty hit, album opens between #6-#10. Whether Carly has the same legs is yet to be determined, but thinking these numbers are terrible is a bit silly at this point. Great for Pink, nice to see a 200k+ opening from her. i disagree entirely. Call Me Maybe was just as "novelty" and just as big, bigger, than "Tik Tok" and Ke$ha still managed 150k. Katy is not a good comparison since IKAG was never as big as Tik Tok or CMM.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 20, 2012 13:40:39 GMT -5
Plus artists make more money off albums. An artist may make 30 cents off a digital single sale. CRJ will be lucky to scan platinum and she could have 5 or 6 singles in a row scanning 2 million without ever having to do a full on album. Artists barely make anything from albums. Most of the albums are filled with mostly crap no one is ever going to listen to. The quicker the record company encourages people to buy singles, the faster people will start buying them in the millions. Artists make more money from albums. IF, the album sells well. *Any* artist is lucky to scan 1 million. Only *3* albums this year have. The only 1 million "sure things" coming up are Mumford & Sons and Taylor Swift. Maybe Lil Wayne? And whatever Christmas album consumers decide to crazy over this year... The two front runners right now seem to be Rod Stewart and Blake Shelton.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Sept 20, 2012 14:34:39 GMT -5
Carly's numbers are absolutely fine. Anyone expecting anywhere around 100k is far too optimistic. Pushing 50k may have been doable (and possibly still is), but a novelty single like "Call Me Maybe" will not encourage a massive album opening. Outside of the odd pulse-member, why would a member of the general public invest in a whole album by her based on that one catchy single? As has been pointed out, Katy Perry is the best parallel to look at - massive hit single that was a novelty hit, album opens between #6-#10. Whether Carly has the same legs is yet to be determined, but thinking these numbers are terrible is a bit silly at this point. Great for Pink, nice to see a 200k+ opening from her. i disagree entirely. Call Me Maybe was just as "novelty" and just as big, bigger, than "Tik Tok" and Ke$ha still managed 150k. Katy is not a good comparison since IKAG was never as big as Tik Tok or CMM. I do remember RCA pricing Animal at $6.99 when pre-ordered though. I guess that off-set the fact that it was being released in January.
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Post by deuce8pro on Sept 20, 2012 19:13:40 GMT -5
CRJ will be lucky to scan platinum and she could have 5 or 6 singles in a row scanning 2 million without ever having to do a full on album. Artists barely make anything from albums. Most of the albums are filled with mostly crap no one is ever going to listen to. The quicker the record company encourages people to buy singles, the faster people will start buying them in the millions. Artists make more money from albums. IF, the album sells well. *Any* artist is lucky to scan 1 million. Only *3* albums this year have. The only 1 million "sure things" coming up are Mumford & Sons and Taylor Swift. Maybe Lil Wayne? And whatever Christmas album consumers decide to crazy over this year... The two front runners right now seem to be Rod Stewart and Blake Shelton. Do you have a projection for Blake?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 20, 2012 19:21:32 GMT -5
With all of the top 20 entries this past week falling by the wayside, Ms. Adkins' album is on contention for the top 10 yet again.
HITS
P!nk will score her first #1 and biggest sales debut on next week's chart. It’s her biggest debut ever, the previous being the 220k for her November 2001 album, Missundaztood. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:
*P!nk (RCA) 225-245k *Kayne West Presents G.O.O.D. Music Cruel Summer (G.O.O.D./Def Jam/IDJ) 180-200k *The Killers (Island/IDJ) 110-120k Dave Matthews Band (RCA) 60-70k Little Big Town (Capitol Nashville) 50-60k *Grizzly Bear (Warp) 40-45k *Carly Rae Jepsen (604/Schoolboy/Interscope) 35-40k Bob Dylan (Columbia) 30-35k *Easton Corbin (Mercury Nashville) 30-35k Adele (XL/Columbia) 27-30k Avett Brothers (American/Republic) 27-30k *Band of Horses (Columbia) 25-28k *Ben Folds Five (Legacy) 23-26k Maroon 5 (A&M/Octone) 20-23k Imagine Dragons (Interscope) 20-23k
*Debuts (9/20p)
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 20, 2012 19:23:51 GMT -5
What is going on with Michael Jackson? *shocked*
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 20, 2012 19:24:36 GMT -5
Perhaps some consumers are getting tired of the constant re-releases of his material.
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Post by Live Your Life on Sept 20, 2012 19:25:50 GMT -5
Wow, that's great news for P!nk.
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Post by forg on Sept 20, 2012 19:28:07 GMT -5
Wow Adele's 21 could sell 30k next week!
Great for Pink, she deserves it :)
The Killers impressive as well
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 20, 2012 20:19:07 GMT -5
Perhaps some consumers are getting tired of the constant re-releases of his material. But, it's a good re-packaging! The $30+ deluxe package is amazing.
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Post by josh on Sept 20, 2012 20:28:26 GMT -5
$30. That's the problem. Who's going to spend that much besides die-hard Michael fans?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 20, 2012 20:48:12 GMT -5
^And there are 2 other cheaper versions... $10.99 and $14.99
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Post by josh on Sept 20, 2012 20:56:01 GMT -5
Much better. I still think it's mostly die hards going to buy the album, though.
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Post by devil on Sept 20, 2012 21:17:38 GMT -5
Carly's numbers are absolutely fine. Anyone expecting anywhere around 100k is far too optimistic. Pushing 50k may have been doable (and possibly still is), but a novelty single like "Call Me Maybe" will not encourage a massive album opening. Outside of the odd pulse-member, why would a member of the general public invest in a whole album by her based on that one catchy single? As has been pointed out, Katy Perry is the best parallel to look at - massive hit single that was a novelty hit, album opens between #6-#10. Whether Carly has the same legs is yet to be determined, but thinking these numbers are terrible is a bit silly at this point. Great for Pink, nice to see a 200k+ opening from her. i disagree entirely. Call Me Maybe was just as "novelty" and just as big, bigger, than "Tik Tok" and Ke$ha still managed 150k. Katy is not a good comparison since IKAG was never as big as Tik Tok or CMM. Ke$ha does seem to be an exception rather than the rule, though I'd say her personality came through a lot more than the likes of Carly with her debut single. I can't imagine many people "adore Carly" after one single (in the way, say, interest was built in Britney, Lady Gaga etc after one single back in the day). I personally just think anyone expecting a song like 'Call Me Maybe' to send a debut album any higher than 50k is indulging in wishful thinking. I'm sure if she has the hits she'll do just fine.
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Post by devil on Sept 20, 2012 21:19:35 GMT -5
Great new projection for Pink. 245k would be outstanding.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 20, 2012 21:45:16 GMT -5
Perhaps some consumers are getting tired of the constant re-releases of his material. Or they didn't know about it. I didn't know MJ had an album coming out.
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Post by fridayteenage on Sept 20, 2012 22:21:23 GMT -5
Oh, apparently they're releasing this week's Glee episodes as a digital EP, Britney 2.0. It makes sense - it is a cohesive unit, and there are a whopping 8 songs this week. And none of them were likely to make a big dent in iTunes anyway. I wonder if they're going to go with more digital-only releases. After 3 compilation releases + 2 episodic ones S1, then 5 compilations + 2 episodic releases S2, S3 had just 1 compilation + 1 episodic release + 1 that was somewhere in between.
S3 had no T5 charters. S2 had #s 2, 3, 3, 4, 5. S1 had #1, #1, #1, #3, #4.
It's interesting that though S2 had far higher ratings and overall bigger hits than S1, S1's album releases did better. Perhaps S2 had more songs that were catchy at first listen but seemed better than they were thanks to the performances, while S1 had more songs that while not instantaneous earworms were less disposable in the long run?
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Sept 20, 2012 22:28:14 GMT -5
^ Season 1 sold more albums because the fans hadn't gotten sick of buying everything that they put out. As time went on, they had to be pickier with what they actually bothered paying for.
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