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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 21:34:38 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised nobody has posted a "haters gonna hate" gif in here yet. Preferably one with Lana dancing on SNL...
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Post by YoYoCanUSeeMe?! on Oct 1, 2012 4:15:44 GMT -5
Rihanna definitely loves Lana...the proof is listening "Diamonds".... ;)
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Post by Ling-Ling on Oct 1, 2012 9:00:37 GMT -5
I love her, but I can see why she rubs people the wrong way. The level of artifice when it comes to her artistry is very apparent, the persona, the sound, it's all very deliberate and manufactured. It doesn't bother me, because artifice has always had such a prominent place in pop music. But she was marketed as an indie artist and that market isn't always so forgiving with artists that aren't genuine.
Her obvious plastic surgery doesn't help in that field either, she comes off as a man made woman. That also in combination with her rich father who basically paid her way into the music industry (the hideous SNL performances just added fuel to the fire). And her lyrics are also incredibly anti-feminist. Portraying women as weak, passive, slutty and there to be objectified and neglected by men. Her entire image is built around being objectified as well, which pisses a lot of women and critics off.
But who gives a shit, the album is awesome, lol.
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Post by hidizzyguy on Oct 1, 2012 11:15:55 GMT -5
It's not so much that people dislike her, more so that she came onto the scene and no one really gave a fuck
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 22:51:46 GMT -5
I cannot speak for other message boards or for real life (b/c I don't know anyone in real life who is aware of her existence other than my sister and best friend...who also spend a bunch of their time online, so it just circles back to the internet). But I will say about Pulse specifically, until as recently as a month ago, I really didn't see anyone talk much about LDR except for her fans, and it's not like they were taking over the board. They've been overenthused, but polite and well-behaved and generally kept to her threads or had an occasional discussion in RT. There were some people who mentioned not liking her but they left it at that and moved on. I've been semi-MIA for the past month; I finally come back, and all of a sudden there is this huge anti-LDR sentiment that just was not here before IMO.
So I'm not puzzled as to the reasons she's disliked, I'm puzzled as to why people decided to wait nine months to decide they care that much. Clearly I have missed something.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 1, 2012 23:08:14 GMT -5
I think the dislike people have for her isn't something that brews constantly but rather comes up when reminded of her. I wouldn't say people waited to talk about her but rather someone brought up the question and people remembered the reasons why. I think as a public figure, she's rather unobtrusive and isn't the topic too often.
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Post by heavenly on Nov 18, 2012 17:52:23 GMT -5
I dislike her because her music is boring and does absolutely nothing for me. I just don't see the hype. This. She's gorgeous, though.
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Post by singingsparrow on Nov 19, 2012 23:55:47 GMT -5
I dislike her (although I do see potential for her to grow if she really wanted to give it her all) primarily because I feel the stunts she performs working the media rounds eclipses anything that is particularly intriguing at the least with her music.
I'll give Lana Del Rey this: here and there, some of her songs consists of some intriguing musical wallpaper samples, despite largely lacking emotional payoff all the same. And I think she may be onto something with her vocal style as well. It's just, thus far, I feel she is predominantly all gust and no grace. As for her lyrics, she pretty much wades between the calculated and shock value polarities; that is, pretty much has nothing substantive to say.
That can change, though. Much like I strongly criticized Lady Gaga from the onset for largely the same reason, I eventually came around to warming up to her after she released "Paparazzi" and then proceeded to release an EP ("Fame Monster") that I felt was rather strong and resembled an artistic turning point............Lana Del Rey has a voice that, through further refinement, can turn up something surely worthwhile, coupled with some tweaks in production choices. But until then, I see no reason why she should have my full, undeserved and uninvited attention.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Nov 20, 2012 12:56:07 GMT -5
There's something about her music that I find captivating.
As a person I find her to be very odd. I've seen videos of her being interview/performing, etc. and she's so the opposite of the images being portrayed as an artist.
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 15, 2014 3:46:55 GMT -5
A year and a half later...
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Post by Rocky on Apr 15, 2014 9:06:44 GMT -5
As long as the music she makes is good (and it is), I couldn't care less about the character that has been created for her. The purpose of music is to listen to it, not look at the artist or listen to that person speak. Her music is hypnotizing, and that's all I really care about. Absolutely agree with dear old Nightfire, bless his soul.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 15, 2014 11:51:26 GMT -5
I don't think she is strongly disliked, but I do think she has a distinct sound that either someone is going to like her sound or dislike it.
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Post by K. on Apr 15, 2014 17:54:12 GMT -5
I think she is disliked primarily by the indie "artistry"-focused crowd because she (allegedly) has all the qualities of one of those commercial products they despise (dad and producers bankrolling her career and sound, choices driven by money rather than artistry, hot, etc.) but her actual sound is indie alternative leaning instead of paint-by-numbers commercial pop. It's like a double insult.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 15, 2014 23:04:14 GMT -5
Ha ha I loved her even when people were still complaining about how fake and how much of "a con" she was. I actually would not have predicted that people would eventually give in and love her anyway. I sort of expected her to fade away and I would have 1-2 cds from a random artist very few even remembered looking back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 23:36:13 GMT -5
Ha ha I loved her even when people were still whining about how fake and how much of "a con" she was. I actually would not have predicted that people would eventually give in and love her anyway Indie (or indie sounding) artists often seem to carry this implicit air of inaccessibility, almost like you have to have permission to like them. You have to be a certain type of "cool" to be fit in with that crowd. So I feel like the more pop/mainstream type of fans assumed Lana was the same and wrote her off as another pretentious indie chick. Once they realized a) her complete willingness to admit that she was just playing a role and b) how said willingness pretty much indicated the exact opposite of pretentiousness, they they started liking her more. I'm sure the indie crowd still loathes her though. She basically used them as a pass-through to get to more mainstream success. I still hold to my previous comment that it was completely mystifying why people on Pulse waited months before having a visceral reaction. It's not like we ever had a big indie loving contingent here.
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Post by die Lotterie on Apr 16, 2014 1:29:42 GMT -5
A year and a half later... …and her voice is still flat as f**k and sounding the exact same on every song, stifling all hope for some type of climax, variety, or emotional connect. When will everyone else's faves? :'( :'( :'( I love "Dark Paradise", "Born To Die", "Young & Beautiful", and "Summertime Sadness", mainly the Parov Stelar, Kaskade, and Todd Terry mixes, but I can't seem to get into any of the rest of her stuff despite having her discography in my iTunes. I just feel like the majority of her songs go no where. I keep waiting for something to happen, and the only climax or action is an instrumental breakdown. Her voice is cute on a couple tracks, but I can't handle a whole album of that s**t. EditI was stupid, I was foolish, and I was lying to myself. "West Coast" is an actual certifiable #jam. I eat my words, sorry for the s**t talking. It grew on me. #downloadsome of my points are valid, though…but whatever.
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Post by ant on Apr 16, 2014 7:47:37 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings toward her. I want to like her, but she makes it so hard. She has an interesting voice, and I do like "Born To Die", "Video Games", and the original "Summertime Sadness" but not much else. I kind of get this feeling like she's trying too hard, and I feel like I can barely understand what she is saying in a lot of her songs. People overrate her music if you ask me. It's really nothing great imo.
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Post by Keelzit on Apr 16, 2014 8:21:21 GMT -5
Lana is the greatest artist to have emerged from the 00s thus far. I don't get why she constantly gets flack for being 'fake'. Since when do pop artists not have a persona anyway? She used to be indie before she got signed to Interscope but as soon as she did she went full-on big-budgeted and promoted so I see nothing shady here. The music is all that matters and damn she's perfect at making epic songs and videos.
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Post by ILLUSION on Apr 16, 2014 11:15:12 GMT -5
I don't think she's strongly disliked. I think a lot of people don't respect her because her live singing is relatively poor but that hasn't stopped artists in the past from doing well (IE: Britney, Ashlee Simpson, etc..)
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Post by Rurry on Apr 16, 2014 13:22:40 GMT -5
The problem with Lana Del Ray is/was that she was kind of straddling the line between indie artist and manufactured pop star and not really satisfying either quadrant. But she seems to have fully gone with the latter approach, which is probably the right choice.
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Post by Keelzit on Apr 16, 2014 13:30:01 GMT -5
How is she manufactured when whatever we get to see/hear from her is her OWN vision and no one else's?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 16, 2014 13:37:39 GMT -5
Hmm, I must have missed this back in the day. And look where she is now. It's hardly like she's the only act who was "manufactured" when they hit the scene.
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Post by Rurry on Apr 16, 2014 13:42:00 GMT -5
How is she manufactured when whatever we get to see/hear from her is her OWN vision and no one else's? I mean, she's as manufactured as any other pop star, in that she's admitted her persona was constructed and not entirely "real". I don't mean it is a bad thing, but early on she was being sold was this grassroots original indie-esque artist, and was completely rejected as such. She changed course and now is basically just a regular pop star, which is the route they should've been pushing her as originally.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 16:33:44 GMT -5
She kind of fulfills both roles better now than she was when she was actively trying to be indie. Manufactured indie? Idk, but it's selling.
And let's be honest, the concept of Lana Del Rey is probably not the product of Lizzie Grant. Which is fine, because I don't think she's any less an artist for it than many other pop females.
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Post by surfy on Apr 16, 2014 18:15:41 GMT -5
The reason I used to dislike her was because she seemed so lifeless, and her music was so boring. I just didn't understand the hype! I don't get the love for West Coast, but like her other songs, which I just recently found amazing, will most likely grow on me too!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 23:36:59 GMT -5
I think there was so much backlash because hipsters had such a huge fucking boner for her before they knew about her rich dad and all that stuff and then right as all of this "fake" stuff started to come out in that community, she bombed SNL. So pretentious hipsters were enraged that they were "tricked" into liking someone like her while the GP was just like "Why does anyone care about this girl, she looks ridiculous and cannot sing."
Now she's like every suburban teenage white girl's wet dream. I'm not exactly surprised she got there, but I definitely didn't expect her to be someone who is popular in the mainstream in her own right after she had so much bad press in every way when she first started getting buzz.
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Post by Snowbeast on Apr 18, 2014 0:57:52 GMT -5
I've actually never watched an interview with her, or was aware of any behind the scenes stuff other than her rich family. I bought her record, spun it to death and was really captivated by the music. I like the new single and have tickets to the tour.
Sometimes personalities can make the music off putting. Chris Brown and Lady GaGa are prime examples for me personally. The music is good, but I find their personalities so off-putting that it ruins it. I won't take that chance with Lana, so I'll refrain from watching interviews and such.
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Post by halo19 on Apr 18, 2014 8:16:01 GMT -5
I think with the indie/hipster thing, Video Games had massive positive buzz months before BTD was released. I think some of them were pissed off to find out they didn't know she had released music as Lizzy Grant and an early obscure release when it was spelt like Lana Del Ray.
I intuitively knew she'd get a chance despite the backlash because her album was still visible enough that likely it wasn't the only audience who knew and bought the album. I know there's some indie people who love the album, but it's more controversial in that circle. I guess I knew there's no such thing as bad publicity and sje already had some going so her success couldn't have been DOA.
It seems like with the Paradise EP, Young and Beautiful, and the remixed hits, I actually know a lot more people who look more highly at the songs then the first several months BTD was out.
I love the new song, but my only problem is the production seems so much bigger than her that I can't really tell what's being said in the verses.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Apr 19, 2014 7:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by neally on Apr 19, 2014 8:30:16 GMT -5
I have tried to view her performances, but she is quite a horrid live singer- it's rather painful to watch. I truly believe that she is naturally no (or just marginally) better as a vocalist than the average person plucked from the street.
For example, Miley Cyrus, who I don't care for at all but has a decent voice, did an acoustic cover of 'Sadness' that is light years above Lana's best acoustic live performance.
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