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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 21:47:48 GMT -5
It has not been overblown though compared to other events. If Britney's new album (for example) was set to open at 20K, this thread would be 15 pages long by now
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 30, 2012 21:50:05 GMT -5
I actually think this thread is pretty tame for Pulse's standards. Have you seen how hysterical we can get sometimes in these threads?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 30, 2012 21:53:15 GMT -5
^Yes, it's been much worse here.
Some Alicia fan wrote, "HITS only counts digital sales on the first day." No, they don't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 22:07:32 GMT -5
"Pulse, always so over dramatic" was false IMO and I just chose not to respond to it then. The first page has like, two people who responded in shock, a bunch of others expressing disappointment, and then another bunch who say they expected it and anyone expecting big numbers was in denial. (FWIW I don't think there were many who thought she would do over 300K, many seemed to think she'd do 200-300k and 300k was definitely pushing it). Second page is more of the same, disappointment. Disappointment =/= drama, and calling these numbers terrible =/= drama. The numbers are terrible by Alicia's own standards.
I personally think the reaction to Alicia's sales here has mirrored the public's general reaction to Alicia herself these days. Tepid. The real dramatics are toward r&b's crappy sales in general, but seeing an entire genre struggling warrants that IMO.
I don't read UKMIx and I certainly don't doubt that there are hardcore AKeys fans out there who are freaking out, but I wasn't speaking for any other board, just this one. I don't think it's fair to project another board's reaction into a discussion here.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 1, 2012 0:29:53 GMT -5
It has not been overblown though compared to other events. If Britney's new album (for example) was set to open at 20K, this thread would be 15 pages long by now I want to say horrible things about Britney, but I had better not. She's supposed to have an album out next year.
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Post by p0isonparadise. on Dec 1, 2012 0:55:26 GMT -5
It has not been overblown though compared to other events. If Britney's new album (for example) was set to open at 20K, this thread would be 15 pages long by now I want to say horrible things about Britney, but I had better not. She's supposed to have an album out next year. Keep it cute.
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 1, 2012 2:34:00 GMT -5
"Pulse, always so over dramatic" was false IMO and I just chose not to respond to it then. The first page has like, two people who responded in shock, a bunch of others expressing disappointment, and then another bunch who say they expected it and anyone expecting big numbers was in denial. (FWIW I don't think there were many who thought she would do over 300K, many seemed to think she'd do 200-300k and 300k was definitely pushing it). Second page is more of the same, disappointment. Disappointment =/= drama, and calling these numbers terrible =/= drama. The numbers are terrible by Alicia's own standards. I personally think the reaction to Alicia's sales here has mirrored the public's general reaction to Alicia herself these days. Tepid. The real dramatics are toward r&b's crappy sales in general, but seeing an entire genre struggling warrants that IMO. I don't read UKMIx and I certainly don't doubt that there are hardcore AKeys fans out there who are freaking out, but I wasn't speaking for any other board, just this one. I don't think it's fair to project another board's reaction into a discussion here. I don't mind people being disappointed, of course they are, but shouldn't they wait for a month or so before saying she's lost it/she should have done more r&b/people don't buy r&b/blah blah? TEOF sold 1.2 million after its first week. Her career is in decline but I can't think of any artist whose career hasn't been in decline after 10+ years of making hits.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 1, 2012 9:59:57 GMT -5
^Exactly. I keep telling Alicia fans, "It's not where you start, it's where you finish."
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 1, 2012 11:38:27 GMT -5
How come no one is talking about Rihanna's 2nd week drop?? Isn't it a little steep? I'm expecting it to be under 90k...that's the same that happened with the last few albums as well, which only remained steady once they reached the 15k-30k region.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 15:03:02 GMT -5
^Exactly. I keep telling Alicia fans, "It's not where you start, it's where you finish." To be fair, she's not helping her cause this time by releasing "Brand New Me" as the second single. It's too mellow and I'm worried it isn't really going to capture attention. At least TSWABH and "Unthinkable" were successful second and third singles to one dud release. Two dud releases in a row when you're coming off an era where your public image was less than great? Much harder to overcome. The one advantage Alicia has over the other r&b releases this year is that her first month of sales is also the entire month of December. I don't know what her promo schedule is like but I'd like to think she could get past 500k from the extra visibility the holiday gives. After that, I don't think platinum by the end of 2013 is out of the question. But it is undeniably going to be a harder effort than it was for TEOF. That said, I don't think I've seen many people declare she's "over" completely, just that she is, like spoilt said, past her prime. She is no longer a guaranteed platinum seller just based off her name. I can see where that feels rather dismissive (especially on Pulse, where several tend to send anyone who can't go platinum or produce a big CHR hit to Whoville), but I didn't really take it as over the top because from most of the people, I didn't get the sense that they really cared one way or the other. (Ex.: Wavey made one post of shock on page one. Hasn't been back in here since.) There doesn't seem to be a lot of investment in critiquing her performance, but an "oh well, on to the next one" tone. Also, the real dramatics now are over r&b sales in general, as I mentioned before. After watching Usher open even lower despite having two urban hits and a pop hit from the album under his belt, and then seeing the rest of his era die unceremoniously after that, it's hard to believe that Alicia will be the special urban selling exception. Shoot, we already thought she'd be the exception in the opening week department and we see how that worked out. At least she broke 150k, but not by much. Rather than dramatics, it's more like people tired of being disappointed repeatedly. That is not a reaction I attribute specifically to Alicia but to a whole genre. Now I'll definitely concede r&b fans have kind of been rather wound up over that for the majority of this year, and will likely continue to be until someone goes against the trend. Crossing my fingers for Maxwell, myself. I think we've spent almost as much time discussing the dramatic reaction as we have actually reacting now, in no small part thanks to me
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Post by fever04 on Dec 1, 2012 15:03:58 GMT -5
please! CLEARLY you have know idea what you're talking about! The single is Girl On Fire is #5 on Itune Top 100. I'm tired of some of discrediting this lady. Also hits updated to Alicia Keys predictions are 275k from RCA. Alicia is a great artists. Alicia Keys has made her brand. R&B sales are at the all time low, but Alicia has a great solid fan base. Where does HITS say Alicia is now going to sell 275k? It's not going to happen. 150-160k. Fans need to accept this. I cannot believe the meltdown over Alicia's numbers. Take the time to look. RCA predictions, the label has predicted 275K. Hits has predicted wrong numbers for many artists, so I'm missing you're point!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 15:14:25 GMT -5
Where does HITS say Alicia is now going to sell 275k? It's not going to happen. 150-160k. Fans need to accept this. I cannot believe the meltdown over Alicia's numbers. Take the time to look. RCA predictions, the label has predicted 275K. Hits has predicted wrong numbers for many artists, so I'm missing you're point! Ok, you need to calm down because you are f**king up all my points about people not being dramatic. You're still not saying where you saw this RCA prediction. Regardless, I'm 99% sure it was something you saw before this week. HITS predictions come from one and two-day sales trends. They make their predictions based on retailers, who in turn base their estimates on the # of shipments ordered and the seeming demand for any given album. The demand simply has not been there enough for retailers to think Alicia will sell over 175k - in fact Hits' second estimate had the estimate go down a bit, to 150-160k. Hits has been off before but I doubt they will be over 100k off. areyoureadytojump's point is that the HITS predictions are current, and the RCA predictions you keep clinging to are not.
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Post by Envoirment on Dec 1, 2012 15:18:32 GMT -5
Where does HITS say Alicia is now going to sell 275k? It's not going to happen. 150-160k. Fans need to accept this. I cannot believe the meltdown over Alicia's numbers. Take the time to look. RCA predictions, the label has predicted 275K. Hits has predicted wrong numbers for many artists, so I'm missing you're point! Label predictions are based on how the artist has done and how the label expect them to do. HITS are based off actual sales, so are more reliable. Labels have been off a lot more than HITS at predicting.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 1, 2012 15:32:03 GMT -5
^Exactly. I keep telling Alicia fans, "It's not where you start, it's where you finish." To be fair, she's not helping her cause this time by releasing "Brand New Me" as the second single. It's too mellow and I'm worried it isn't really going to capture attention. At least TSWABH and "Unthinkable" were successful second and third singles to one dud release. Two dud releases in a row when you're coming off an era where your public image was less than great? Much harder to overcome. The one advantage Alicia has over the other r&b releases this year is that her first month of sales is also the entire month of December. I don't know what her promo schedule is like but I'd like to think she could get past 500k from the extra visibility the holiday gives. After that, I don't think platinum by the end of 2013 is out of the question. But it is undeniably going to be a harder effort than it was for TEOF. That said, I don't think I've seen many people declare she's "over" completely, just that she is, like spoilt said, past her prime. She is no longer a guaranteed platinum seller just based off her name. I can see where that feels rather dismissive (especially on Pulse, where several tend to send anyone who can't go platinum or produce a big CHR hit to Whoville), but I didn't really take it as over the top because from most of the people, I didn't get the sense that they really cared one way or the other. (Ex.: Wavey made one post of shock on page one. Hasn't been back in here since.) There doesn't seem to be a lot of investment in critiquing her performance, but an "oh well, on to the next one" tone. Also, the real dramatics now are over r&b sales in general, as I mentioned before. After watching Usher open even lower despite having two urban hits and a pop hit from the album under his belt, and then seeing the rest of his era die unceremoniously after that, it's hard to believe that Alicia will be the special urban selling exception. Shoot, we already thought she'd be the exception in the opening week department and we see how that worked out. At least she broke 150k, but not by much. Rather than dramatics, it's more like people tired of being disappointed repeatedly. That is not a reaction I attribute specifically to Alicia but to a whole genre. Now I'll definitely concede r&b fans have kind of been rather wound up over that for the majority of this year, and will likely continue to be until someone goes against the trend. Crossing my fingers for Maxwell, myself. I think we've spent almost as much time discussing the dramatic reaction as we have actually reacting now, in no small part thanks to me This: I think we've spent almost as much time discussing the dramatic reaction as we have actually reacting now, in no small part thanks to me.
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Post by Positive Tension on Dec 1, 2012 17:17:31 GMT -5
Alicia's projected sales are disappointing but not shocking. I always thought she was one of the most consistent selling artists with her first three albums, but after that it just felt like Alicia almost fell off the radar (well, with the exception of "Empire State of Mind").
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 1, 2012 19:48:31 GMT -5
You know what we can all do? Relax and wait until the numbers actually come out this week. It's so incredibly pointless arguing over predictions when the actual numbers come out within days!
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Post by when the pawn... on Dec 2, 2012 11:15:50 GMT -5
As I mentioned earlier, I don't know that R&B fans aren't buying music - Alicia didn't put out an R&B single - that's what halted her first week sales.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 2, 2012 13:14:08 GMT -5
The Target and Best Buy circulars today:
Target:
Ke$ha $9.99 (Deluxe $14.99) Wiz Khalifa $9.99
Best Buy:
Wiz Khalifa $9.99 (Deluxe $13.99) Paloma Faith $7.99 Chevelle $9.99 (Deluxe $11.99) Ke$ha $9.99 (Deluxe $13.99) Hinder $9.99 (Deluxe $14.99) Gavin DeGraw cd/dvd $14.99
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Post by fever04 on Dec 2, 2012 16:31:07 GMT -5
Take the time to look. RCA predictions, the label has predicted 275K. Hits has predicted wrong numbers for many artists, so I'm missing you're point! Ok, you need to calm down because you are f**king up all my points about people not being dramatic. You're still not saying where you saw this RCA prediction. Regardless, I'm 99% sure it was something you saw before this week. HITS predictions come from one and two-day sales trends. They make their predictions based on retailers, who in turn base their estimates on the # of shipments ordered and the seeming demand for any given album. The demand simply has not been there enough for retailers to think Alicia will sell over 175k - in fact Hits' second estimate had the estimate go down a bit, to 150-160k. Hits has been off before but I doubt they will be over 100k off. areyoureadytojump's point is that the HITS predictions are current, and the RCA predictions you keep clinging to are not. They was off 100k plus for "The Element Of Freedom" they predicted 275-300k and it sold 417k. So PLZ!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 16:38:31 GMT -5
Who knew Alicia had such hardcore Stan's. You seem more like a fellow Bey Stan, you sure your not repping the wrong diva ?
Not to be shady or throw salt in wounds, but I remember another R&B diva not putting out an R&B single and still doing fine :$
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Post by fever04 on Dec 2, 2012 16:55:47 GMT -5
Who knew Alicia had such hardcore Stan's. You seem more like a fellow Bey Stan, you sure your not repping the wrong diva ? Not to be shady or throw salt in wounds, but I remember another R&B diva not putting out an R&B single and still doing fine :$ I love both Alicia & Beyonce. They both are classic artists with good music. Alicia fanbase is deep. Just not a lot of young punks who have the time to defend her on these foolish Forums against foolish ppl.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 17:32:45 GMT -5
You are going to be a future problem, I already sense it.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 2, 2012 17:35:25 GMT -5
Who knew Alicia had such hardcore Stan's. You seem more like a fellow Bey Stan, you sure your not repping the wrong diva ? Not to be shady or throw salt in wounds, but I remember another R&B diva not putting out an R&B single and still doing fine :$ I love both Alicia & Beyonce. They both are classic artists with good music. Alicia fanbase is deep. Just not a lot of young punks who have the time to defend her on these foolish Forums against foolish ppl. Gerl drop the attitude and remain calm ok?
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Post by fever04 on Dec 2, 2012 19:40:07 GMT -5
You are going to be a future problem, I already sense it. LOL!!! HAPPY SUNDAY!!!!
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Post by fever04 on Dec 2, 2012 19:41:05 GMT -5
I love both Alicia & Beyonce. They both are classic artists with good music. Alicia fanbase is deep. Just not a lot of young punks who have the time to defend her on these foolish Forums against foolish ppl. Gerl drop the attitude and remain calm ok? Got ya!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 20:19:19 GMT -5
You are going to be a future problem, I already sense it. LOL!!! HAPPY SUNDAY!!!! Just remember that the word 'Moderator' isn't under my name for shits and giggles. And don't double post, it's against the rules.
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Post by Evergreen on Dec 2, 2012 20:44:17 GMT -5
Forum 101......DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!! Even the mods are feeding them nowadays. Jesus.
Anyways.....I'm not surprised Alicia's numbers are so low. I used to stan super hard for this girl...but for some odd reason I wasn't even remotely interested in the new project. She lacks the persona that keeps her relevant between projects I think. I mean, the quality is always there but nothing interesting about her that makes me want more.
She should release her records Sade style. I think that would be a better strategy for her.
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Post by fever04 on Dec 2, 2012 23:24:48 GMT -5
Just remember that the word 'Moderator' isn't under my name for shits and giggles. And don't double post, it's against the rules. Ok! I post my opinions, how anyone take them isn't my concern. Opinions will always be opinions. So the purpose of you're reply was?
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Post by josh on Dec 3, 2012 0:04:50 GMT -5
Well in one post you were a total dick and called the forum foolish, and all its members punks and foolish. Then you broke the rules and had a not-so-good attitude with a moderator. So.
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Post by Rican@ on Dec 3, 2012 1:46:08 GMT -5
This is just as exciting as the Ne-Yo's $tan. I mean Alicia is my boo and I can get out of character with certain posters regarding her; however, nothing extreme. This is all so shocking to see yet entertaining to see an Alicia's $tan on this board acting in this matter. Wow. I'm going cry once the numbers come in but I know there's always a new day where these tears won't always win. In stores now! Go get it!
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