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Post by Taylor. on Feb 5, 2013 19:53:38 GMT -5
namely being an unremarkable, average-looking young woman .... I'm not even going to comment on the rest of your posts other than to say I disagree and your slut shaming needs to stop.
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Post by atlantaboy on Feb 5, 2013 20:03:07 GMT -5
It'll be a shame if Swift goes under because she is truly a strong songwriter and someone this generation really needs. Her image as a role model (namely being an unremarkable, average-looking young woman who nonetheless has caught the imagination of millions of young women especially and being a voice of authenticity that's rather rare among popular music these days) has already eroded significantly. There's still time to keep her from sacrificing all that in the artistic sense, or at least that which is defining her later career. ??? She's not trying to appeal to academic scholars in their 30s (i. e. you) - she writes pop, and she always has - and her lyrics have always been simple I can't see how Love Story and You Belong With Me were any more "authentic" than her current singles
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 5, 2013 20:12:14 GMT -5
namely being an unremarkable, average-looking young woman .... I'm not even going to comment on the rest of your posts other than to say I disagree and your slut shaming needs to stop. Whoa whoa! Hold on there a second! Where in this discussion did I ever resort to "slut shaming" as you so egregiously claim? If you're basing that on the quotation above, I'm flummoxed. Like it or not, one main reason why she is so widely admired is because of her sincerity, both in her professional and personal life. So many young women across the world look up to her because, much like her, she is down to earth and doesn't try to be perfect (as is reflected, for instance, in her refusal to use Auto-Tune in live performances, even if it means she risks singing highly off-key). So yes, I stand fully behind that comment. She is looked upon as a role model to millions because she is authentic and down-to-earth. "Unremarkable" in the sense she's not trying to push buttons and be something she's not, and "average-looking" in that she takes pride in her humble roots and talents. Studio hacks like Shellback are threatening to take that charm from her. They're threatening to try and make her perfect, which in effect will result in a growing disconnect with a core chunk of her audience as she bows increasingly to industry pressures which will, in turn, leave many respecting her less. Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Feb 5, 2013 20:24:46 GMT -5
How are people complaining about this? Where were they when The Story of Us was flopping on radio? If she's doing what needs to be done to get hit records, how can anyone fault her for that?
#haters (Hilary Duff reference. That was for you, Austin)
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Post by Tea-why on Feb 5, 2013 20:44:09 GMT -5
namely being an unremarkable, average-looking young woman .... I'm not even going to comment on the rest of your posts other than to say I disagree and your slut shaming needs to stop. Oooh she looks fab in that pic :) I like this song. It's pretty good.
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Post by jughead on Feb 5, 2013 21:22:32 GMT -5
After this ends its run, we'll hear the true Taylor on the radios because all that's left on the album are song that showcase who she is as an artist. I'm surprised she chooses to be viewed as "immature" knowing that she's capable of writing songs like "All Too Well", which is one of the most "quotable" songs I've ever heard.
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Post by slayZ on Feb 5, 2013 21:34:11 GMT -5
22 was played on "New Girl" tonight. The slayage begins.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 5, 2013 21:36:15 GMT -5
#haters (Hilary Duff reference. That was for you, Austin)
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Post by CammyCan on Feb 5, 2013 22:05:11 GMT -5
Another #1, book it.
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Post by maladroit on Feb 5, 2013 22:59:31 GMT -5
I don't see the need to have this life-or-death debate about Taylor Swift's public image, position in the music industry, etc. when the song in question is one that goes out of its way to be as lightweight and carefree and inconsequential as possible. You want to complain about Taylor's career trajectory, go back in time a few months to when "Trouble" was released. Because compared to that, "22" is honestly nothing to get worked up about.
Guaranteed pop hit, future #1, summer smash, etc. et al.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 23:00:51 GMT -5
What the Hell is going on in here?
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Post by josh on Feb 5, 2013 23:03:54 GMT -5
I don't see the need to have this life-or-death debate about Taylor Swift's public image, position in the music industry, etc. when the song in question is one that goes out of its way to be as lightweight and carefree and inconsequential as possible. You want to complain about Taylor's career trajectory, go back in time a few months to when "Trouble" was released. Because compared to that, "22" is honestly nothing to get worked up about. Guaranteed pop hit, future #1, summer smash, etc. et al. Nah, it will be a spring smash. Being released way too soon for summer.
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Post by Gravity. on Feb 5, 2013 23:05:48 GMT -5
I have never understood all of this talk about Taylor having too many boyfriends. Since 2008, she's only had about six. (John Mayer, Taylor Lautner, Joe Jonas, Harry Styles, Connor Kennedy, and Jake Gyllenhall.) She might have gone on a couple dates with other guys, but she's twenty-three years old. She's doing nothing out of the ordinary.
And this song is far from my favorite on the album, but it's a good single choice. I love the line "We're happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time." That is a perfect description of this age.
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 5, 2013 23:07:40 GMT -5
After this ends its run, we'll hear the true Taylor on the radios because all that's left on the album are song that showcase who she is as an artist. I'm surprised she chooses to be viewed as "immature" knowing that she's capable of writing songs like "All Too Well", which is one of the most "quotable" songs I've ever heard. Assuming they don't re-release "RED" with new songs in the vein of this, of course! ;) Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 23:10:13 GMT -5
God forbid Taylor has a song about having fun. God forbid the girl has fun herself. And god forbid she irks a certain stuck up member. God forbid.
#YOLO
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 23:12:50 GMT -5
It's much better than her last single. I also feel like it's in the same vain as "We Are Never Getting Back Together", so I approve. I hope it's a hit for her.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 23:12:53 GMT -5
#YOLO #22 #dressuplikehipsters #SlaylorScouts April is too far away :'(
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 5, 2013 23:19:28 GMT -5
I have never understood all of this talk about Taylor having too many boyfriends. Since 2008, she's only had about six. (John Mayer, Taylor Lautner, Joe Jonas, Harry Styles, Connor Kennedy, and Jake Gyllenhall.) She might have gone on a couple dates with other guys, but she's twenty-three years old. She's doing nothing out of the ordinary. And this song is far from my favorite on the album, but it's a good single choice. I love the line "We're happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time." That is a perfect description of this age. I personally agree, as I already claimed earlier in this thread when I said it is none of my business, nor should it be anyone else's business, who she chooses to date and/or have sex with (Well before I was hit below the belt with that erroneous "slut-shaming" comment, I might add.)The point I was raising, nonetheless, is that Taylor Swift herself is in an evident state of distress, and much of that is attributed to how the media is portraying her and/or the image she's perceived as. That speaks volumes, because as far back as "Fearless" she has been regularly featured in the tabloids. She has been no stranger to them over these past four-five years. Now, for the first time ever, it seems to be taking a toll on her. She tries her best to wear a straight face, but it is still apparent this has gotten under her skin in a way it hadn't gotten to her (save that "critic" who inspired "Mean") previously. Let's forget for a moment how any of us.........whether it be myself, you or, say, Tina Fey..........think about her image at this point in time. What does Taylor Swift think about it?She doesn't seem that happy whatsoever, from what is hinted anyway. Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 23:22:28 GMT -5
God forbid Tina Fey makes a joke about something and it get's used every post as to why Taylor Swift is going down hill and becoming a media joke. God forbid.
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Post by Gravity. on Feb 5, 2013 23:28:53 GMT -5
The point I was raising, nonetheless, is that Taylor Swift herself is in an evident state of distress. Where are you getting that from? You mentioned on the previous page that she was in tears over Tina Fey's comment. I'm not seeing her emotional breakdown. A quick scan of her recent tweets seem to suggest that she's reasonably happy. The only negative sounding tweets I see are one about jet lag and the now famous "back in the studio again, uh oh" tweet. I would sincerely hope that she is happy because she deserves to be happy. I will say that she seems happier now than she did around this period in the Speak Now era. Charmed, Gravity "Billy"
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 5, 2013 23:38:58 GMT -5
God forbid Tina Fey makes a joke about something and it get's used every post as to why Taylor Swift is going down hill and becoming a media joke. God forbid. I agree, actually. But the fact of the matter is that, whereas she was impervious to some prior criticism.............this seems to have affected her resolve. I feel great sympathy for her, really. She has been releasing records every two years now, and has had international tours in-between each cycle. Not to mention she has an elevated degree of celebrity that is rare among artists who began their careers via the country format. If it seems my arguments are rather pointed, it is primarily because I don't want her to get swallowed up by the pressures of the industry and the excesses of expectation. She is still rather young and has the vast majority of her life and so, so much potential ahead of her. I'm uneasy with the direction she is headed in terms of what's getting released to represent an album of greater depth, but nothing changes the reality that I'm wishing her well each step of the way as much as I disagree with some of the decisions of her management. Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton
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Post by slamina on Feb 5, 2013 23:39:50 GMT -5
The next logical choice for Pop. I approve. I don't think it will be as big as IKYWT, but it will be a solid hit nonetheless.
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 5, 2013 23:44:36 GMT -5
The point I was raising, nonetheless, is that Taylor Swift herself is in an evident state of distress. Where are you getting that from? You mentioned on the previous page that she was in tears over Tina Fey's comment. I'm not seeing her emotional breakdown. A quick scan of her recent tweets seem to suggest that she's reasonably happy. The only negative sounding tweets I see are one about jet lag and the now famous "back in the studio again, uh oh" tweet. I would sincerely hope that she is happy because she deserves to be happy. I will say that she seems happier now than she did around this period in the Speak Now era. Charmed, Gravity "Billy" Contactmusic: January 30, 2013Thank you for asking. Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 23:45:33 GMT -5
God forbid Tina Fey makes a joke about something and it get's used every post as to why Taylor Swift is going down hill and becoming a media joke. God forbid. I agree, actually. But the fact of the matter is that, whereas she was impervious to some prior criticism.............this seems to have affected her resolve. I feel great sympathy for her, really. She has been releasing records every two years now, and has had international tours in-between each cycle. Not to mention she has an elevated degree of celebrity that is rare among artists who began their careers via the country format. If it seems my arguments are rather pointed, it is primarily because I don't want her to get swallowed up by the pressures of the industry and the excesses of expectation. She is still rather young and has the vast majority of her life and so, so much potential ahead of her. I'm uneasy with the direction she is headed in terms of what's getting released to represent an album of greater depth, but nothing changes the reality that I'm wishing her well each step of the way as much as I disagree with some of the decisions of her management. Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 5, 2013 23:48:49 GMT -5
I agree, actually. But the fact of the matter is that, whereas she was impervious to some prior criticism.............this seems to have affected her resolve. I feel great sympathy for her, really. She has been releasing records every two years now, and has had international tours in-between each cycle. Not to mention she has an elevated degree of celebrity that is rare among artists who began their careers via the country format. If it seems my arguments are rather pointed, it is primarily because I don't want her to get swallowed up by the pressures of the industry and the excesses of expectation. She is still rather young and has the vast majority of her life and so, so much potential ahead of her. I'm uneasy with the direction she is headed in terms of what's getting released to represent an album of greater depth, but nothing changes the reality that I'm wishing her well each step of the way as much as I disagree with some of the decisions of her management. Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton @.@Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton
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Post by Gravity. on Feb 5, 2013 23:49:30 GMT -5
"A source told Star magazine." That's not exactly the most reputable magazine, is it? I have no doubts that Taylor was sad over her breakup with Harry, but I'm pretty sure that her and Tina Fey are on decent terms. Tina's job is making jokes and Taylor knows that.
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Post by SuperTrouper on Feb 5, 2013 23:49:43 GMT -5
It really bothers me that "What the Hell", "Smile" and "Wish You Were Here" and "Dancing Crazy" bombed hard and god knows, this is going places.
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 5, 2013 23:59:45 GMT -5
"A source told Star magazine." That's not exactly the most reputable magazine, is it? I have no doubts that Taylor was sad over her breakup with Harry, but I'm pretty sure that her and Tina Fey are on decent terms. Tina's job is making jokes and Taylor knows that. Perhaps, but either way it is congruent with a steady stream of other small episodes that seem to leave her under the impression that her "professional reputation" is deteriorating. As is often said, it is lonely at the top. That's why, even while my opinion on this particular track is stone-cold, that I also feel a great degree of sympathy for her. The psychology of celebrity is something perhaps none of us will ever fully understand, if not begin to. I think that's where a lot of my passionate dislike of "22" stems from, truthfully. I understand some of you disagree, and I respect that. It may also be, because I dedicate more of my energies to the Country forum rather than the Mainstream Top 40 format, which the audiences are notably different, why my perception in this debate isn't eye to eye with others here (and obviously some country posters would disagree with some or even most of what I may be arguing too). Namaste, Noah Hibiscus Eaton
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 0:05:31 GMT -5
It feels like one of those nights...
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Post by slayZ on Feb 6, 2013 0:20:48 GMT -5
It really bothers me that "What the Hell", "Smile" and "Wish You Were Here" and "Dancing Crazy" bombed hard and god knows, this is going places. Lol but 22 is miles better?
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