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Post by CammyCan on Feb 6, 2013 0:27:35 GMT -5
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Feb 6, 2013 0:28:24 GMT -5
I don't really like this one that much. It just doesn't feel like a "Taylor Swift song". But I think this will go top 10.
I wish that charity track "Ronan" had been on the album so it could be a single. It's sooo good! Too good to not be a single.
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Post by tsr on Feb 6, 2013 0:33:19 GMT -5
It really bothers me that "What the Hell", "Smile" and "Wish You Were Here" and "Dancing Crazy" bombed hard and god knows, this is going places. But "What the Hell" didn't bomb hard?
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Post by Joe1240 on Feb 6, 2013 0:53:21 GMT -5
This was the obvious next single from "Red". I kinda saw Taylor going the "Maroon 5 Route" and releasing Max Martin songs and it looked like I was right. This song actually on the Taylor Swift Fan Forums is one of the least liked from 'Red". Despite what is being said here,This song is far from a fan favorite for among us Taylor Swift fans. Unlike "Today Was A Fairytale" which sounded like it not much effort put into which this song at least has some effort put into it. As A Fan,Can't say i'm happy about this as a single after all it sold well on Itunes during the album release week. But it is by far the weakest song on "Red".Then again the best songs from Taylor's albums never get released as singles.
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Post by horchata on Feb 6, 2013 0:54:46 GMT -5
Messy thread, but anyways this song is great and my favorite off of Red. I'm far from being too into her music generally speaking (esp. with her past material), but this along with a few other tracks from Red surprised me. Can't believe I actually bought the album.
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Post by Eqbk on Feb 6, 2013 0:58:08 GMT -5
Great choice, her team has done a fantastic job picking pop singles.
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Post by Grün on Feb 6, 2013 2:07:42 GMT -5
I have been a fan since "Tim Mcgraw" and all I can say is I'm sad. This song never belonged on the cd and doesn't belong as a single. This isn't the Taylor everyone grew to love. This is a girl lost in the depths of trying to be famous.
I don't care if she doesn't have anymore pop hits and please no more Max Martin songs.
I know people want her to "slay" on the charts. I just don't know if that Enchanted, Teardrops on My Guitar, and You Belong With Me Taylor is still there.
Have fun seeing this rocket up the charts. All people want is a hit and no substance. Funny that alot of people just like her for her catchy Max Martin singles, but everyone else is left in the dark.
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Feb 6, 2013 2:22:06 GMT -5
It's obvious this whole release is timed around my 22nd birthday on the 22nd of March. Thanks Taylor, don't forget the gift receipt. x
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Post by slayZ on Feb 6, 2013 2:46:42 GMT -5
All Too Well would like to have a word with you.
Who is "everyone else?" If you don't like the single, you don't have to support it, but the fact that We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together and I Knew You Were Trouble are her two biggest singles of her career implies that you and "everyone else" is simply part of the minority. Let's not throw tantrums because a song you hate is being released to radio. From a business point of view, releasing one of the "deep" song you love would be a terrible idea, and this isn't just a move Borchetta is doing, it's something every other mainstream artist out there has done and will continue to do. Sorry that you think 22 is so weak. I've been a fan of Taylor from the minute I heard Tim McGraw, I have all of her albums and have been to three of her tours, but I personally love this as much as I love her "deep" tracks. There comes a time in an artist's career when they have to compromise their deep*~ art for success because a) they want to, b) why shouldn't they? People love it, c) Taylor isn't a 50 year old woman. She's 23. She's more than allowed to have fun, be as edgy as she wants, and release as many FUN tracks as she pleases, regardless of who gets pissed or butthurt about it.
Most people who are complaining about this now will be humming it two months from now when they hear it on the radio every two minutes and is flying up the charts. Book that #1.
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Post by Joe1240 on Feb 6, 2013 3:19:54 GMT -5
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Post by slayZ on Feb 6, 2013 3:49:31 GMT -5
I have, and I know a weak song when I hear one as well. 22 ain't. It's a great Pop single that achieves what it set out to do. To be a summer anthem. Nothing more, nothing less. Is it the strongest one on the record? No, BUT it's certainly not the weakest. The Taylor fans at the forum you moderate on might not like it as much, but they are not a representation of what the general public wants from Taylor or even likes from her. Like I said, this will be a smash, and it will be bought by millions of people. I happen to visit another Taylor forum where 90% of the people are thrilled about this being a single. Those who aren't only wanted Red, or some song that would have never done well. I mean, if anything Begin Again is the weak song here...it has nothing to do with country radio "backlashing her," it's just a snoozefest and there are several songs on the record a lot more suited for that format, songs that could have easily done better.
Today Was A Fairytale and Both Of Us failed to make an impact. This will surely shoot up the charts, and yes, I am aware that sales and radio airplay don't equal quality, but people are making this song out to be some kind of awful LMFAO track. It's just a harmless, light and completely fun ear candy track and there really is nothing wrong with that. It's one of Taylor's favorite tracks on the record. That's all that matters, right? Again, sorry people are taking her more seriously than she takes herself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 3:50:33 GMT -5
The song makes no reference to a boy or a relationship except when she says "make fun of our ex's." Yeah, that's a harmless line coming from her. I have never understood all of this talk about Taylor having too many boyfriends. Since 2008, she's only had about six. (John Mayer, Taylor Lautner, Joe Jonas, Harry Styles, Connor Kennedy, and Jake Gyllenhall.) She might have gone on a couple dates with other guys, but she's twenty-three years old. She's doing nothing out of the ordinary. And this song is far from my favorite on the album, but it's a good single choice. I love the line "We're happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time." That is a perfect description of this age. Well almost all her songs are break-up songs so people assume she's had like 40.
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Post by Joe1240 on Feb 6, 2013 6:25:11 GMT -5
I have, and I know a weak song when I hear one as well. 22 ain't. It's a great Pop single that achieves what it set out to do. To be a summer anthem. Nothing more, nothing less. Is it the strongest one on the record? No, BUT it's certainly not the weakest. The Taylor fans at the forum you moderate on might not like it as much, but they are not a representation of what the general public wants from Taylor or even likes from her. Like I said, this will be a smash, and it will be bought by millions of people. I happen to visit another Taylor forum where 90% of the people are thrilled about this being a single. Those who aren't only wanted Red, or some song that would have never done well. I mean, if anything Begin Again is the weak song here...it has nothing to do with country radio "backlashing her," it's just a snoozefest and there are several songs on the record a lot more suited for that format, songs that could have easily done better. Today Was A Fairytale and Both Of Us failed to make an impact. This will surely shoot up the charts, and yes, I am aware that sales and radio airplay don't equal quality, but people are making this song out to be some kind of awful LMFAO track. It's just a harmless, light and completely fun ear candy track and there really is nothing wrong with that. It's one of Taylor's favorite tracks on the record. That's all that matters, right? Again, sorry people are taking her more seriously than she takes herself. Seeing as you are a Britney fan posing as a Tay fan. It's no wonder you love the Max Martin tracks. See the point is? You don't know what a weak song is. You say "Begin Again" weak when nearly all of Taylor's fanbase loves the song. "Begin Again" is far from weak. Then again you tend to like songs like "Hold It Againest Me" and "Scream And Shout". You tend to forget where Taylor's roots in music are from. I mentioned "Both Of Us" and "Today Was A Fairytale" as examples of Taylor songs that are weak and heck even among the fanbase it is agreed upon on those. And the Taylor Swift forum I happen to be a mod on belongs to one of the top Taylor fansites on the net. Maybe you heard of?. Then again it doesn't matter. I will say again and repeat it again,Taylor's best songs tend to stay on the albums and never get released as proper singles.I have been a Taylor fan for a very long time it seems and I'm a fan who cares about the long term more then the short term. Going the "Maroon 5 Route" may be helping Taylor get the hits but in the long term I have a feeling it is gonna hurt her more in the long run in the end.
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Post by jughead on Feb 6, 2013 7:10:12 GMT -5
I think that they are focusing too much on pop this era because her next album will be something that changes the game. It will be a complete departure from the "teenage girl" reputation that Taylor has. It will be "teenage-turned-woman" kind of artistic growth.
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Post by oinapead on Feb 6, 2013 7:18:37 GMT -5
I wonder if she might lose her country supporters as these songs sound as cheap pop as possible, it might be the same case as urban artists with those electro pop songs and losing urban audience at the same time(Nicki Minaj). Taylor Swift has become quite annoying pop star indeed and her music is very bland this time around.
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 6, 2013 7:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 6, 2013 8:41:12 GMT -5
Gosh. People get so upset when someone is in disagreement. I personally agree with those who say these types of songs won't help Taylor out in the long run. Even if it hits #1 on the Hot 100, it's still pulling her further from her origins and further from her base. Look at some acts who started out in one core genre and then moved to making pop music and see how that fared for them.
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Post by Grün on Feb 6, 2013 10:26:00 GMT -5
I have, and I know a weak song when I hear one as well. 22 ain't. It's a great Pop single that achieves what it set out to do. To be a summer anthem. Nothing more, nothing less. Is it the strongest one on the record? No, BUT it's certainly not the weakest. The Taylor fans at the forum you moderate on might not like it as much, but they are not a representation of what the general public wants from Taylor or even likes from her. Like I said, this will be a smash, and it will be bought by millions of people. I happen to visit another Taylor forum where 90% of the people are thrilled about this being a single. Those who aren't only wanted Red, or some song that would have never done well. I mean, if anything Begin Again is the weak song here...it has nothing to do with country radio "backlashing her," it's just a snoozefest and there are several songs on the record a lot more suited for that format, songs that could have easily done better. Today Was A Fairytale and Both Of Us failed to make an impact. This will surely shoot up the charts, and yes, I am aware that sales and radio airplay don't equal quality, but people are making this song out to be some kind of awful LMFAO track. It's just a harmless, light and completely fun ear candy track and there really is nothing wrong with that. It's one of Taylor's favorite tracks on the record. That's all that matters, right? Again, sorry people are taking her more seriously than she takes herself. All to Well was the first single she wrote for the album and we all know the album didn't end up like that. People feel "butthurt" because the quality of music she is releasing is beneath her and this will deeply hurt her fanbase. Something most pulse users don't understand, that disposable numbers one are NOT the most important thing ever. Being number one doesn't help you if it dumbs you down 7 years. Her core fanbase (Country) is starting to back off, look at the internet world she is a mockery, and she is releasing songs that should have been released by Hannah Montana. So have your "Slayor Swift" or whatever. When she finally releases her next Country cd, I will still be posting in her thread, unlike most of the bandwagoners. P.S. (Begin Again is a great song)
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Post by C.Ro on Feb 6, 2013 10:44:10 GMT -5
I wanted Red but whatever
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Post by Ace on Feb 6, 2013 10:46:56 GMT -5
Seeing as you are a Britney fan posing as a Tay fan. It's no wonder you love the Max Martin tracks. See the point is? You don't know what a weak song is. You say "Begin Again" weak when nearly all of Taylor's fanbase loves the song. "Begin Again" is far from weak. Then again you tend to like songs like "Hold It Againest Me" and "Scream And Shout". Hi, if you are a mod on another forum, you should know that this is called trolling...so stop.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 6, 2013 10:55:49 GMT -5
Gosh. People get so upset when someone is in disagreement. I personally agree with those who say these types of songs won't help Taylor out in the long run. Even if it hits #1 on the Hot 100, it's still pulling her further from her origins and further from her base. Look at some acts who started out in one core genre and then moved to making pop music and see how that fared for them. Yeah I feel like people are so stuck in TAYLOR SLAYS!!!!!!!! mode that pretty much anything other than screaming about her slaying annoys them. I think it is an interesting discussion. Obviously, this era is and will be a smash, but I am intrigued how future eras will unravel especially with the developments of this era both in her public persona and relationship to the country music world. Not sure I agree with everything Lisping has said or think the 22 single thread is the place to do it, but nevertheless it is an interesting discussion.
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Post by neverduplicated on Feb 6, 2013 11:51:28 GMT -5
I'm not crazy about this as a single choice (even though it's a guaranteed hit), but I think people are overreacting as to how this will affect her career in the long-term. People who like Taylor and buy her albums know she produces quality material, regardless of which of her songs is being played on radio. Yes, country fans might be a bit turned off by this song, but then again, they wouldn't be listening to pop stations unless they liked pop music as well. Taylor's image as a serial dater has nothing to do with her music - it has to do with her being in the news all the time with different boyfriends. I personally could not care less who she dates or how many guys she dates, but if anyone out there is concerned about her image in this regard, her singles won't change what's being printed in the news.
Plus, they'll almost certainly release a country-only track as a counterpart to this single. So lighten up people, it's not the end of days for Taylor Swift.
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Post by When I Ruled the World on Feb 6, 2013 11:56:09 GMT -5
I'm yet another in a LONG line of those who are disappointed this is a single. It should have been "Red".
But as long as it smashes, I can wait this one out and hope they choose "Red" next.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Feb 6, 2013 15:48:24 GMT -5
I just wish there was a "break" inbetween the Max Martins and 22 was 4th. :/ Too much sugar pop to handle in a 6 month span, Red would've been a perfect change of pace. :(
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Post by ILLUSION on Feb 6, 2013 15:52:25 GMT -5
April? That's far away. I wish it would have been "Red" and then they could have closed out the era with this.
This is an obvious choice as a single. I'm sure it will do well.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 6, 2013 17:01:43 GMT -5
This is an obvious summer smash, so it wouldn't have made sense to pass up that opportunity. April isn't that far away either. It's already February 6th and "I Knew You Were Trouble." is still number one and still gaining after breaking the SPS record and the spin record. It's going to be at number one for a while too. It probably won't even be falling out of the top ten until mid-March at the earliest. (My bet would be that it will still be top ten when "22" impacts pop.) Now had IKYWT not had been the gigantic smash it turned out to be and had peaked last month, then "Red" would've made sense third. But "22" is just too summery to pass up. "Red" can come fourth. Then "Holy Ground" fifth. (One can dream.)It really bothers me that "What the Hell", "Smile" and "Wish You Were Here" and "Dancing Crazy" bombed hard and god knows, this is going places. "What the Hell" didn't bomb hard. It peaked at #11 on pop. Though, "What the Hell" doesn't really resemble this song, IMO. (WYWH definitely doesn't resemble this.) "Smile" and "Dancing Crazy" definitely resemble this, though, but both suffered from severe lack of promo and both of their respective artists were struggling. Really sucks, but what can you do? Both deserved to be hits like this one will definitely be. Though, I wouldn't say either one bombed hard. "Smile" peaked in the mid 20s and "Dancing Crazy," despite the lack of radio support for Miranda and the hiatus between the "Kissin U" and "Dancing Crazy," still managed to peak in the mid 30s. Taylor Swift sounds exactly like Miranda Cosgrove in this song, which I find pretty hilarious. Especially on the I gotta have you and It feels like one of those nights lines.
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 17:07:50 GMT -5
But Au$tin, this is gonna peak right as summer is starting, most likely. It's not going to be a summer smash. That would leave single #4 for the summer.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 6, 2013 17:10:06 GMT -5
But Au$tin, this is gonna peak right as summer is starting, most likely. It's not going to be a summer smash. That would leave single #4 for the summer. "22" definitely won't be peaking in May... ??? It should be peaking in mid-June. Then given the fact that songs don't just completely die off after peaking, especially one that's as big as this one is sure to be, it will definitely linger around through July and August. Look at "Rolling in the Deep," "Airplanes," "Call Me Maybe," or "California Gurls" for example.
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 17:12:15 GMT -5
mid-June is still spring.
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Post by carriekins on Feb 6, 2013 17:16:44 GMT -5
Meteorologically speaking, it is barely spring (summer solstice is usually around June 20/21), but I think people generally equate "summer" with the period between Memorial Day and Labor Day, so the last weekend in May through the first weekend in September. So by that particular standard, a mid-June peak with a total stay at the top into July would put this on the "summer smash" list.
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