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Post by ChicaCherryμ½λΌ on May 6, 2013 12:35:09 GMT -5
Then why did you sign up if you didn't have time to play? I was invited to play and it seemed fun. I was on break at the time so I had time. I didn't expect it to last this long or require so much time and energy. I should have just quit weeks ago, my mistake. Won't happen again. I'm not cut out for it and I realize that now, but I tried while under mountains of stress in real life and did the best I knew how (which wasn't very good obviously ). You have to try and sometimes fail to learn.
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Post by josh on May 6, 2013 12:40:15 GMT -5
They don't normally go nearly this long. This was by far a record. Hence why deadlines are shortened from now on lmao.
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Post by ChicaCherryμ½λΌ on May 6, 2013 12:41:11 GMT -5
Holy crap, it's a game. Simmer down. There is not enough hours in the day to dedicate to a game like this. Things might be a lot more obvious if you don't have a million other things to get done in your real life...ya know..the one outside of the Internet. Especially when it drags on as long as this did. It's hard to make this a priority when a lot of us are in college. Just learn from the mistakes and move on to the next game. I'm just happy this is freaking over. Sorry, it was just so frustrating watching the game from the green room. Ugh I can imagine. I'm sorry
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Post by Lozzy on May 6, 2013 13:11:19 GMT -5
Sorry, it was just so frustrating watching the game from the green room. Ugh I can imagine. I'm sorry Hey, you weren't as frustrating as a couple others ;)
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Post by Az Paynter on May 6, 2013 13:15:15 GMT -5
And for the record I had to sit through the whole thing unable to interact in ANY way LMAO! Xiivi and Ryan at least could look in on the other quick-topics, I couldn't even do that (well... IDK if I could, I never asked, but I'm guessing that's not permitted or something?) I was REALLY rooting for the town, like you have no idea. It's just irritating knowing things that could have REALLY helped you guys and not being able to give you clues. Like how for the first few days, Drag's posts were variations on 'OH stuff is happening, I'm busy right now but I'll give thoughts later', and never actually giving any thoughts. Then, as people died, he'd assemble all of their posts but not actually analyze anything - like, he was just gonna let other people do the interpreting then he'd just tag along for the ride. Not really taking a stance or positively contributing = not a good town player, which at the very least should've put him on people's radars (but Cynthia, for example, being one of the most helpful townies of the game, somehow misinterpreted Drag's scumtells as towntells). Past Max being NK'd on N1, Drag was the most transparent scum member, and should've been the easiest one to lynch. Plus, there was the Nick-outing-Sean thing as I previously mentioned. That event was the key reason people kept questioning Jungle's motives, but once Nick was revealed to be scum, that should have been an indicator that maybe Sean was telling the truth (plus, like I said I think Sean lacked the ability to lie when drunk). The Mafia team were far less obvious, at least until Krhazy flaked on hammering Kurt when he said he would. That was a major red flag, as why would you not hammer someone if you think they're scum? Not unless you're scum with them. The better thing to have done was to follow through on the lynch. Hey, you hammered someone who turned out to be scum? You just won yourself a few Townie points. I think by the time Kurt and Jason appeared on the radar, it had a little bit less to do with anything they actually did (unless somebody refreshes my memory) and more to do with the roles that had already been claimed, and assumptions based on process-of-elimination. If any of the six scum in the game should've slipped under the radar to take out the win, it should've been Jason, not Drag.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 14:16:25 GMT -5
Jason and Khrazy were the best actual players, but like Ryan/Rocky/me in 90s mafia, Khrazy and Kurt made a couple of fatal mistakes that tied them together and gave them away. When you do that, once one of you fall it's like dominos. One sort of ironic thing though is that Jason did something that actually was a brilliant move, though I'm not sure if it was accidental or not. When I pointed out that he and Chica seemed like they were almost definitely teammates, he never acknowledged it. He in fact kind of went out of his way to not say anything about her (while still defending himself) - using his own scumminess and Chica's poor playing as a deflective tactic from his real teammates. If town had followed my lead when I wanted a Jason lynch, Kurt and/or Khrazy actually might have managed to make it to the end b/c we would have thought Jason's mafia flip confirmed Chica's mafia alignment as well, and her mislynch would have bought them more time. I'll admit that when I figured out he was scum it was by process of role elimination more than proper reading of his comments...he never did have a big tie to his teammates, and until Khrazy refused to hammer Kurt, they didn't really have much of a tie to each other either. B/c of Khrazy's final mistake, I would say Jason was the best player of the game and Khrazy second.
Drag may not seem like a good player in general (read the green room, soooo many scum tells even on D1), but town was just more stupid, and he picked up on that quickly and he played our weaknesses to his advantage. That in itself is certainly the sign of a player with potential IMO - if town was smarter, he probably would have realized what he couldn't get away with and quickly stepped it up (as opposed to Kurt who just coasted and then half-assed his defense whenever suspicion turned to him - no offense Kurt). Now he just has to work on his technique (i.e., winning as scum b/c he's smart, not just smarter).
The most frustrating thing to me is that for all of town's bad play and inactivity, Rocky and I had managed to narrow down the 3 remaining scum to this shortlist on D4: Jason, Kurt, Drag, and/or Jungle. We both had decided Jason and Kurt were mafia and that it was an either/or with Drag or Jungle. So even after we mislynched Jungle, we still HAD the win right there in front of us. But Rocky failed to reiterated that point to Heartbreak and Chica after night 5, and Heartbreak and Chica clearly didn't remember it or think to read over the last few pages of analysis...even a quick scan would have led you guys to this. There was NO reason for the game to end the way it did...Drag didn't win so much as Town lost.
Most of the players in the game simply aren't good at true analysis, and the ones who are good at analysis and reads aren't yet good at knowing what to focus on and remembering previous hints we'd pointed out before. But these are things that can be learned over time IF you actually play the game; there were things that I picked up in 90s mafia that helped me here, and now I've learned things in this game that will help me in the next game after Josh's bastard one. But relying on other people to post the analysis and lead you to a vote, and not even bothering to read anything yourself after the players who did most of the work are gone, is not how one learns to be a better player.
LVP award goes to all townies and Kurt. Pick your trophies up at the front desk.
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Post by Rocky on May 6, 2013 14:46:37 GMT -5
^ Basically all that she said. Funny how Cynthia and I were so close many times, but finally switched. That's ridiculous after my stubborn behaviour in Landmarx lynch. Why did I assume jungle is werewolf after he was negative on mafia sensor? Thinking about playing that SpecialEd Mafia or what.
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Post by Kurt on May 6, 2013 16:23:22 GMT -5
LVP award goes to all townies and Kurt. Pick your trophies up at the front desk. Yay! First #1 on Pulse Top 40 and now this? I'm a winner. :')
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Post by K. on May 6, 2013 18:24:22 GMT -5
Mafia did play well imo. Krhazy declaring to hammer Kurt and waiting for the deadline to pass was their crucial mistake. That's the reason I went with him rather than Jason at the time. I don't think it mattered at that point. If I had lynched him and then you had killed Jason, that would have been two of us down at the start of the next Day. Yeah, I perhaps made it more obvious that Kurt and I were connected, but everybody felt that way already, and at least this way we kept our number up one more Night. We were screwed when Kurt and I were unable to convince the Townies to vote for you, Drag. Why we were unable to do so, I have no idea. Especially since everyone thought we were both werewolves and supposedly wanted to target Mafia. You'd think, in such a situation, someone would think, "hmm...two (supposed) werewolves are targeting the same person....maybe that person is Mafia!" I mean, they would have been wrong, but still....
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 6, 2013 18:49:55 GMT -5
I'm going to pretend that my trail I left before I was killed before day 2 contributed well to this game!
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Post by josh on May 6, 2013 18:53:03 GMT -5
I'm going to pretend that my trail I left before I was killed before day 2 contributed well to this game! Well you're the reason Chica was lynched in the end. Somehow. Lmao.
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Post by K. on May 6, 2013 18:57:11 GMT -5
Nick and Drag, why weren't you guys suspicious of Chica?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 19:01:36 GMT -5
Nick and Drag, why weren't you guys suspicious of Chica? We were going back and forth with Chica (just look at our thread). We honestly thought you were the seer for the majority of the game and I originally thought that Kurt, Jason and Rocky were a team. By the time Rocky revealed his role and findings, I knew everyone's role and was able to manipulate the rest of the actions to my liking. I kept Chica in at that point because I knew that she was vanilla and essentially she was a cover for me (as was Jungle); that's why I hesitated to lynch him.
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Post by nick64 on May 6, 2013 19:30:52 GMT -5
Nick and Drag, why weren't you guys suspicious of Chica? what Drag said
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Post by Az Paynter on May 6, 2013 19:43:41 GMT -5
I'm going to pretend that my trail I left before I was killed before day 2 contributed well to this game! Well you're the reason Chica was lynched in the end. Somehow. Lmao. Yes, this. I think the thing everyone kept throwing around is the fact that she "suddenly" knew what she was doing after reading the rules. Which made me LMAO because apparently it's impossible that she really did just sit down and study the rules until she understood them like she SAID she did. Since you were scum Max, I know why you'd push that angle, you wanted to make her a viable mislynch target. Why nobody else (re: Cynthia) thought of this possibility IDK. ;)
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Post by junglefever on May 6, 2013 20:39:37 GMT -5
good game people and more importantly it was great to meet you all! drag did a pretty good job hiding, i got caught up in other people and pretty much forgot he was around . Apologies for the shoddy analysis, i blame it on being my first game in well over a year, but fun nonetheless! no more long deadlines! booo
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Post by JCMF3 on May 7, 2013 7:15:41 GMT -5
The part that gets me is that Werewolf had no role that could pick them out, but Mafia had two people who could. *sigh*
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 9:47:19 GMT -5
Yep, that's the nature of mid-open set-ups. Extremes like that in role variances are entirely possible as it's determined randomly from the set. Hence why it's very important to plan ahead regarding fake-claims. For these type of set-ups especially, it's good scum play to determine early on in the game two different roles you feel comfortable fake-claiming and then play with that in mind so when you do claim it comes off as believable. None of the mafia claimed at any point actually, which is a big thing; as seen by town making claims that came off as believable and then worked. The Vanilla Cops also didn't seem to be fact-checking claims made in the thread, which is one of the big things they are there for. [Drag claimed Vanilla but would have came up as Non-Vanilla.]
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Post by Kurt on May 8, 2013 11:27:12 GMT -5
Oh my goodness, I think everyone who mentioned going to a concert during this game (me, Krhazy, and Drag) was scum. It actually was suspicious.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 8, 2013 11:37:43 GMT -5
I went to a concert during the game too!
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Post by josh on May 8, 2013 12:04:35 GMT -5
were you dead by that point though? lol
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Post by K. on May 8, 2013 13:15:11 GMT -5
I actually did go.
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