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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 5:22:32 GMT -5
Mediabase is showing 0 spins so far, so I'm guessing it won't debut until a week from Monday.
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Post by jughead on Jun 15, 2013 20:54:29 GMT -5
I'm confused. Does this go for adds on the 17th or 24th? I don't think the label has confirmed anything though. But some sites claim that this is indeed Taylor's new country single.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 21:37:22 GMT -5
It goes for adds on the 24th.
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 15, 2013 22:02:26 GMT -5
This is a good pop song, everything about it (lyrics, music, vocals, production) is pop and there's nothing country about it. I don't get this at all. "Red" sounds heavily influenced by country music to me. Sure, if it were on Taylor Swift, it would stick out like a sore thumb, but let's not act like this song is another "I Knew You Were Trouble.," because it's far from that. A genre is not determined by its lyrics at all, because let's be honest here, unless you're strictly talking about being a redneck, then any of the lyrics on country radio can work on any format with the right change in production. It's the style of the song that determines its genre, not its lyrics. "Red" includes lots of acoustics in its production, a quality of most country songs. "Red" includes steel guitars, twangy percussion, and a wonderfully crafted hook. Pop tends to actually curl in fear of steel guitars, for one, and the percussion is common in many country songs. The hook does sound a bit "poppy" in a sense, but plenty of country songs have hooks that could work in pop songs. Case in point: "What Hurts the Most." Arguably one of Rascal Flatt's biggest country hits had a very strong hook that could work on pop as well. What's my evidence for this? How about the fact that "What Hurts the Most," with no pop mix, made the top 40 on pop (Rascal Flatts' only charting song over there), and dance pop artist Cascada covered the song as a dance pop song. Cascada's version was a hit in many European countries. The hook on both versions in the same. As for the vocals, Taylor Swift has never had a good country voice. Her voice falls more towards the contemporary side. She's never had a good country twang to her voice. The evidence is clear in Taylor Swift. Much of the twangy vocals sound very forced and distort her vocal capabilities, especially in songs like "Picture to Burn" or "Our Song." When Fearless was released, she dropped the forced twang and it worked for her. She's continued to have country hits without it, so "Red" should be no exception when it comes to her vocals. To me, "Red" is the major song of this album. It is literally the only song on the album that would work well on both formats. It has the strength to go top ten on both formats easily, which she has yet to do with any song this era, a first for her. I don't expect it to hit number one on country, though. Not without a big push from her label, at least, but top five seems on lock. It really needs to be released to pop as soon as possible as well. Why there has been no announcement for pop yet is really concerning. There should definitely be one by now. It'd be absolutely ridiculous to pass up on the opportunity to finally have the big crossover smash this era is missing. If and when it gets released to pop, top five seems likely over there as well. Number one is pushing it, but I wouldn't rule it out over there either. I'm scared that they will skip "Red" and go directly to "Everything Has Changed" after its success in the UK. As far as country goes, I'm excited for this song's release, I think it will do well, and I hope it broadens her horizons for future country singles from this album. "All Too Well," "The Moment I Knew," "Come Back... Be Here," I'm looking at you.
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Post by jughead on Jun 16, 2013 8:32:53 GMT -5
I think they are going in the Speak Now route. They tried catering to pop and country radios. Now, they're concentrating solely on country radios.
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Post by Mack on Jun 16, 2013 10:15:11 GMT -5
She's never had a good country twang to her voice. The evidence is clear in Taylor Swift. Much of the twangy vocals sound very forced and distort her vocal capabilities, especially in songs like "Picture to Burn" or "Our Song." When Fearless was released, she dropped the forced twang and it worked for her. I just want to interject and say that I disagree that Taylor used "forced twang" on her debut. Rather, I think that was her natural way of singing and it just faded somewhat over time as her music started to trend more toward the pop genre and she began experimenting with her voice. If you listen to a lot of her older demos, pre- Taylor Swift, they feature some pretty twangy vocals, as well. Even now, the twang in her voice comes out every now and then, especially during her live performances.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Jun 16, 2013 12:20:42 GMT -5
I think they are going in the Speak Now route. They tried catering to pop and country radios. Now, they're concentrating solely on country radios. I will be severely pissed if that's the case. Red has a huge potential and Big Machine would be stupid to waste it. If they're actually planning to send it to Pop, send it before it peaks on Country.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 16, 2013 12:43:35 GMT -5
She's never had a good country twang to her voice. The evidence is clear in Taylor Swift. Much of the twangy vocals sound very forced and distort her vocal capabilities, especially in songs like "Picture to Burn" or "Our Song." When Fearless was released, she dropped the forced twang and it worked for her. I just want to interject and say that I disagree that Taylor used "forced twang" on her debut. Rather, I think that was her natural way of singing and it just faded somewhat over time as her music started to trend more toward the pop genre and she began experimenting with her voice. If you listen to a lot of her older demos, pre- Taylor Swift, they feature some pretty twangy vocals, as well. Even now, the twang in her voice comes out every now and then, especially during her live performances. I agree. Her voice has definitely changed a bit over time, but that slight twang present on some of her debut era songs did not sound forced at all to me. She just matured and her twang wasn't as saturated as others in the genre (vocalists like Jennifer Nettles or Sunny Sweeney, etc.), so it started to become less obvious. Just look at Miranda and compare the vocals on Kerosene with Four the Record. It's a similar case of noticing vocals maturing as an artist ages, imo.
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Post by deatheater13 on Jun 17, 2013 21:36:33 GMT -5
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Post by jughead on Jun 17, 2013 21:42:50 GMT -5
I'm a little bit worried. "Red" goes for adds the same day as Jason and Miranda's latest singles. I'm thinking Taylor will rake in a disappointing number of adds compared to the two. I'm sure there will be comparisons made.
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Post by Living Legend on Jun 17, 2013 21:58:19 GMT -5
^ I'd be more worried about those 4 or 5 newer acts having to compete with 3 superstar artists for radio adds. I don't see any reason why stations can't simultaneously add Taylor, Miranda & Jason in the same week.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Jun 17, 2013 22:03:33 GMT -5
I'm a little bit worried. "Red" goes for adds the same day as Jason and Miranda's latest singles. I'm thinking Taylor will rake in a disappointing number of adds compared to the two. I'm sure there will be comparisons made. We just should be glad that Taylor's finally releasing something to Country. If this does not rake in a similar amount of adds as Jason or Miranda does, I still hope it'll be impressive enough. If not, then I just hope that this song will have longevity and ease through the Top 10 without being strongly enforced/pushed by her label. I just want this song's run to confirm that Country is still here for Taylor because her reputation has taken a quite the fall this era. And I'm pretty sure the stations would usually add those major artists at the same time, no? EDIT: Miranda got 18 adds while Jason got 27 adds this week. I think their adds next week will be bigger but it shouldn't be as BIG as you are expecting it to be. Here's to hoping that Red get a significant increase in the number of adds next week! :)
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Post by jughead on Jun 17, 2013 22:34:59 GMT -5
I'm a little bit worried. "Red" goes for adds the same day as Jason and Miranda's latest singles. I'm thinking Taylor will rake in a disappointing number of adds compared to the two. I'm sure there will be comparisons made. We just should be glad that Taylor's finally releasing something to Country. If this does not rake in a similar amount of adds as Jason or Miranda does, I still hope it'll be impressive enough. If not, then I just hope that this song will have longevity and ease through the Top 10 without being strongly enforced/pushed by her label. I just want this song's run to confirm that Country is still here for Taylor because her reputation has taken a quite the fall this era. And I'm pretty sure the stations would usually add those major artists at the same time, no? EDIT: Miranda got 18 adds while Jason got 27 adds this week. I think their adds next week will be bigger but it shouldn't be as BIG as you are expecting it to be. Here's to hoping that Red get a significant increase in the number of adds next week! :) I agree with a point you made. This song's chart run will be an indication as to whether or not country radios still have her back after WANEGBT and BA's rather "intriguing" chart runs.
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Post by peterca on Jun 19, 2013 0:42:38 GMT -5
I'm a little bit worried. "Red" goes for adds the same day as Jason and Miranda's latest singles. I'm thinking Taylor will rake in a disappointing number of adds compared to the two. I'm sure there will be comparisons made. We just should be glad that Taylor's finally releasing something to Country. If this does not rake in a similar amount of adds as Jason or Miranda does, I still hope it'll be impressive enough. If not, then I just hope that this song will have longevity and ease through the Top 10 without being strongly enforced/pushed by her label. I just want this song's run to confirm that Country is still here for Taylor because her reputation has taken a quite the fall this era. And I'm pretty sure the stations would usually add those major artists at the same time, no? EDIT: Miranda got 18 adds while Jason got 27 adds this week. I think their adds next week will be bigger but it shouldn't be as BIG as you are expecting it to be. Here's to hoping that Red get a significant increase in the number of adds next week! :) For sure Red will get a significant increase in the number of adds next week, the week of its release. I was very surprised to see Red being spun by 1 station on the Mediabase Country station panel thus far, per All-Access. One measly station and its just 6 days away from the release date.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 0:45:05 GMT -5
For sure Red will get a significant increase in the number of adds next week, the week of its release. I was very surprised to see Red being spun by 1 station on the Mediabase Country station panel thus far, per All-Access. One measly station and its just 6 days away from the release date. I think this is reaching a bit. "Red" wasn't sent to radio until Thursday last week, and most stations won't add new songs to their playlists until the beginning of the week, so that's why it didn't get many adds last week. It'll take off in a big way this week, with lots of stations reporting adds on Monday.
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Post by Marv on Jun 19, 2013 1:48:38 GMT -5
As others have stated, going for adds can and have been ignored for ages, and that's not going to change; look no farther than the very early spins for 'Night Train', which was to be expected after the underwhelming chart performance of '1994'.
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Post by jughead on Jun 19, 2013 3:54:09 GMT -5
I'm feeling this would determine whether Taylor keeps her superstar status on country radio, or end up like Gretchen Wilson.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 5:02:24 GMT -5
I'm feeling this would determine whether Taylor keeps her superstar status on country radio, or end up like Gretchen Wilson. I don't think the two cases are very similar at all. Taylor IS the biggest money-maker for her label by far, but it's a very powerful label that boast a bevvy of other superstar artists as well. As long as Taylor keeps releasing semi-country songs, she'll be just fine. She's not gonna score 10 #1's in a row, and probably not even 5 in a row, but she'll consistently hit the top 10. Now, if she starts releasing tons of WANEGBT types of songs to country, or pushes it further with songs sounding like IKYWT, then I think country radio would throw up some major resistance to her music. But she won't do that. She makes tunes like "Sparks Fly" and "Begin Again" and many others, and if she sticks to that vein of music, then she'll keep getting played.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 9:06:30 GMT -5
I'm feeling this would determine whether Taylor keeps her superstar status on country radio, or end up like Gretchen Wilson. I don't think the two cases are very similar at all. Taylor IS the biggest money-maker for her label by far, but it's a very powerful label that boast a bevvy of other superstar artists as well. As long as Taylor keeps releasing semi-country songs, she'll be just fine. She's not gonna score 10 #1's in a row, and probably not even 5 in a row, but she'll consistently hit the top 10. Now, if she starts releasing tons of WANEGBT types of songs to country, or pushes it further with songs sounding like IKYWT, then I think country radio would throw up some major resistance to her music. But she won't do that. She makes tunes like "Sparks Fly" and "Begin Again" and many others, and if she sticks to that vein of music, then she'll keep getting played. Comparing Taylor to Gretchen is just odd to me. To the masses Gretchen was a one-hit wonder, while Taylor is one of the biggest stars of her generation worldwide. Country radio didn't abandon Shania, who I think made far more consistent pop singles than Taylor. It just doesn't make sense to throw out your genres biggest superstar.
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Post by tailgate on Jun 20, 2013 8:54:06 GMT -5
Do we know if there is a different version of the song available for country radio? Then stations could decide which one they want to play. I'm speculating this because of the "is this country enough" comments in this thread. Surely Taylor's label, management, PR team etc. are aware of this kind of talk, so it might be worthwhile to give country radio a choice.
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Post by jughead on Jun 22, 2013 10:30:08 GMT -5
Hopefully this does not get sent to Pop. They've had enough Taylor for the past 6 months.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 22, 2013 12:06:26 GMT -5
Hopefully this does not get sent to Pop. They've had enough Taylor for the past 6 months. Only six months? Why not send it to pop?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 12:45:23 GMT -5
Hopefully this does not get sent to Pop. They've had enough Taylor for the past 6 months. Same could be said about 95% of the Pop artists out on radio right now -- Rihanna, Maroon 5, Macklemore/Ryan Lewis, etc. Saying that Pop has had "enough Taylor" is like saying Pop has had "enough of everyone," basically, since she's been there for a lot less time than its prime tunesmiths. There'd be no reason why they couldn't send "Red" to Pop, but I don't think they should, and I also don't think they will. Seems like they're letting "22" do whatever it does with the rest of its run over there and are focusing back to Country, which is what she needs to do since the audience has been a bit alienated by her for the Pop world as of recently.
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Post by josh on Jun 22, 2013 13:05:48 GMT -5
Hopefully this does not get sent to Pop. They've had enough Taylor for the past 6 months. Same could be said about 95% of the Pop artists out on radio right now -- Rihanna, Maroon 5, Macklemore/Ryan Lewis, etc. Saying that Pop has had "enough Taylor" is like saying Pop has had "enough of everyone," basically, since she's been there for a lot less time than its prime tunesmiths. There'd be no reason why they couldn't send "Red" to Pop, but I don't think they should, and I also don't think they will. Seems like they're letting "22" do whatever it does with the rest of its run over there and are focusing back to Country, which is what she needs to do since the audience has been a bit alienated by her for the Pop world as of recently. "22" is long since dead. It's been purged already. It scraped top 10 then dropped out of top 40 in like 3 or 4 weeks. It's also falling really hard on HAC now as well. I think they'll send this to pop, unless they decide to send "Everything Has Changed." I do agree with the first part of your post, though. She's only had 3 singles which is nothing, really.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 13:16:33 GMT -5
Same could be said about 95% of the Pop artists out on radio right now -- Rihanna, Maroon 5, Macklemore/Ryan Lewis, etc. Saying that Pop has had "enough Taylor" is like saying Pop has had "enough of everyone," basically, since she's been there for a lot less time than its prime tunesmiths. There'd be no reason why they couldn't send "Red" to Pop, but I don't think they should, and I also don't think they will. Seems like they're letting "22" do whatever it does with the rest of its run over there and are focusing back to Country, which is what she needs to do since the audience has been a bit alienated by her for the Pop world as of recently. "22" is long since dead. It's been purged already. It scraped top 10 then dropped out of top 40 in like 3 or 4 weeks. It's also falling really hard on HAC now as well. I think they'll send this to pop, unless they decide to send "Everything Has Changed." I do agree with the first part of your post, though. She's only had 3 singles which is nothing, really. "22" is dead already? I don't keep up much with Pop runs, but it always plays whenever I'm driving, so I guess I just assumed otherwise. You may be right then -- they could send "Red" to Pop.
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Post by jughead on Jun 22, 2013 18:36:46 GMT -5
The only reason why I think 3 singles is already enough for Taylor on Pop is that while she has definitely gone more pop-oriented with this album, I still see her as a "visitor" on pop radios rather than a chart regular/mainstay. Yes, Taylor has seen more success on Pop than Country this time around, but country will always be her "home" format, in my opinion.
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Post by Marv on Jun 23, 2013 0:13:58 GMT -5
Comparing her to Gretchen Wilson makes no sense; Gretchen's first CD yielded spectacular results (two #1 singles, a #2 single and a #4 single @ R&R/Mediabase), but she ran out of steam shortly thereafter.
As jhomes impeccably pointed out, Taylor isn't going to vanish from the country airwaves anytime soon in spite of the reprehensible and seriously over-the-top chart manipulations courtesy of Scott Borchetta & Co. since her 'Red' CD was released.
Having three new singles from format superstars going for adds on the same day isn't an issue for country radio PDs and Mds, and while no country station is going to play any of them in succession under any circumstances, your typical PD has to be pretty delirious about such an episode taking place.
Throw in the expected new singles from Tim, Brad & Blake which will be released next month, and having an avalanche of new singles from several format superstars to play the heck out of for the next 4-5 months is undoubtedly nirvana for all of them, to which you can add the new Thompson Square tune, and a new Darius Rucker single which would appear to be right around the corner.
Nice 'problem' to have, huh?
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Post by revel8 on Jun 23, 2013 10:57:11 GMT -5
Same could be said about 95% of the Pop artists out on radio right now -- Rihanna, Maroon 5, Macklemore/Ryan Lewis, etc. Saying that Pop has had "enough Taylor" is like saying Pop has had "enough of everyone," basically, since she's been there for a lot less time than its prime tunesmiths. There'd be no reason why they couldn't send "Red" to Pop, but I don't think they should, and I also don't think they will. Seems like they're letting "22" do whatever it does with the rest of its run over there and are focusing back to Country, which is what she needs to do since the audience has been a bit alienated by her for the Pop world as of recently. "22" is long since dead. It's been purged already. It scraped top 10 then dropped out of top 40 in like 3 or 4 weeks. It's also falling really hard on HAC now as well. I think they'll send this to pop, unless they decide to send "Everything Has Changed." I do agree with the first part of your post, though. She's only had 3 singles which is nothing, really. Although 22 is not getting much air play anymore it is still selling quite well. It is currently on about 1.5 million US units sold and selling about 70,000 a week. I expect it will go Double Platinum in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 12:09:34 GMT -5
Comparing her to Gretchen Wilson makes no sense; Gretchen's first CD yielded spectacular results (two #1 singles, a #2 single and a #4 single @ R&R/Mediabase), but she ran out of steam shortly thereafter. As jhomes impeccably pointed out, Taylor isn't going to vanish from the country airwaves anytime soon in spite of the reprehensible and seriously over-the-top chart manipulations courtesy of Scott Borchetta & Co. since her 'Red' CD was released. Having three new singles from format superstars going for adds on the same day isn't an issue for country radio PDs and Mds, and while no country station is going to play any of them in succession under any circumstances, your typical PD has to be pretty delirious about such an episode taking place. Throw in the expected new singles from Tim, Brad & Blake which will be released next month, and having an avalanche of new singles from several format superstars to play the heck out of for the next 4-5 months is undoubtedly nirvana for all of them, to which you can add the new Thompson Square tune, and a new Darius Rucker single which would appear to be right around the corner. Nice 'problem' to have, huh? Agree. And while the ratio for male:female for country radio is well known, Taylor still benefits from the fact that neither Miranda nor Carrie are releasing brand-new material right now. Both their current and upcoming singles are from albums over 12 months old, and I don't think anybody is convinced the new Kellie or Jana songs are going to smash the top ten. 'Red' will do just fine.
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Post by churchchoir on Jun 23, 2013 13:09:09 GMT -5
Agree. And while the ratio for male:female for country radio is well known, Taylor still benefits from the fact that neither Miranda nor Carrie are releasing brand-new material right now. Both their current and upcoming singles are from albums over 12 months old, and I don't think anybody is convinced the new Kellie or Jana songs are going to smash the top ten. 'Red' will do just fine. Actually, Miranda Lambert is releasing her new single, "All Kinds of Kinds," the exact same day as Taylor is releasing "Red," and I believe a new single from "Voice" star RaeLynn is going for adds July 1, one week later. However, I doubt Taylor really has to worry about competing with other females. She is easily the biggest female super star in the genre and only second to Carrie Underwood in regards to chart success. I don't think any PDs are going to say "Wait, there are too many female artists to play at once. I'm going to have to sacrifice the new Taylor Swift song." Taylor has way too many fans and she is just way too popular, plus she has all the momentum from "Highway Don't Care," which Big Machine seems to be trying to portray as her last single. Even if this does underperform (maybe a top 5 peak on Billboard, tragic I know), I expect it to zoom into the top 15 on the country chart, just as "Begin Again" did.
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