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Post by Positive Tension on Nov 13, 2013 19:31:20 GMT -5
I expected ArtPop to debut with around 400-500k, so these numbers are disappointing. Hopefully the album will have some longevity.
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Post by braveheart on Nov 13, 2013 19:37:11 GMT -5
Eminem is # 1 on I-Tunes Top Albums and has knocked Gaga down to # 2 wowwww....this isn't looking good.
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Post by popbox on Nov 13, 2013 19:38:07 GMT -5
Wow, really shocked at the projections. I thought 400k for sure. What I can't stand the most about it underperforming is now Perez will think he actually has some kind of influence over the buying public.
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Post by DJ General on Nov 13, 2013 19:48:38 GMT -5
WOW. But wait, Billboard thinks Eminem will drop that much?? What?? lol.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 13, 2013 19:55:15 GMT -5
Looks like Miley Cyrus ends up the biggest winner out of the three divas who are releasing or have released an album in Q4. Why do you say that? Miley has been out longer so she has the most sales right now. Katy Perry will pass Miley in a few weeks.
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Post by ss8 on Nov 13, 2013 19:57:30 GMT -5
^ thats the biggest confusing thing abt the article. In their headline they initially word it as a question "will Gaga get #1" than the article makes it sounds more certain. I think its just Billboard basically trying to create drama/suspense (to get more traffic) when if theyre already saying that Gaga will under-perform (greatly than expected) Eminem should easily block her from #1 *plus he's back to #1 on iTunes and 'Monster' is on fire right now. I think its Gaga for #2 next week by even a bigger margin than most will expect.
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Post by DJ General on Nov 13, 2013 20:01:35 GMT -5
I think the bigger story here is if Eminem drops below 250. that would be a disaster
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Post by ss8 on Nov 13, 2013 20:08:09 GMT -5
Looks like Miley Cyrus ends up the biggest winner out of the three divas who are releasing or have released an album in Q4. Why do you say that? Miley has been out longer so she has the most sales right now. Katy Perry will pass Miley in a few weeks. The poster is talking about overall single success (2 mega hits so far), album sales (most likely better end result) and media buzz success etc... Aside from Roar, Katy has been fading the last few weeks. 'Unconditionally' is looking like the new Thinking Of You (first overall under performer/ flop) she's had since TOY while Miley *clearly* has never been hotter in every single way. The VMAs was basically her LAV/Madonna moment (while initially super controversial and panned) got her epic attention and sent her into super-stardom (at least for now). 2-5 yrs from now who knows but it CLEARLY ended up making her a worldwide star vs a local Disney star prior to this era.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 13, 2013 20:13:25 GMT -5
^I still think Katy is going to outsell Miley.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 13, 2013 20:15:15 GMT -5
I think the bigger story here is if Eminem drops below 250. that would be a disaster Lol. A "disaster"?? No. His first week was phenomenal. He's going to scan 1 million in 2 weeks. Not a disaster. This album is going to sell for months to come. Why is everyone so dramatic?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 13, 2013 20:26:04 GMT -5
The "evolution" of the GaGa estimate:
The initial estimate was 400k from the NRS.
Then HITS' first estimate was 400k
Then HITS said 400-500k.
Then we got 375k from GaGa's label.
Then Billboard said 300k-350k.
Now we have the initial estimate of 250k-275k.
Am I missing any? lol
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Post by Nick on Nov 13, 2013 20:26:56 GMT -5
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Post by The Upper Hand on Nov 13, 2013 20:44:51 GMT -5
^ You and Kurt should invite him to join Pulse
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Post by Oprah on Nov 13, 2013 20:48:02 GMT -5
I don't think anyone should really be surprised by this after Applause's first week sales (and total sales, really). That made it clear the extent to which her fan base has dwindled.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Nov 13, 2013 20:57:34 GMT -5
I guess by friday it'll be 200-225k like the first single.
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Post by chinacandy on Nov 13, 2013 21:17:57 GMT -5
Looks like Miley Cyrus ends up the biggest winner out of the three divas who are releasing or have released an album in Q4. Why do you say that? Miley has been out longer so she has the most sales right now. Katy Perry will pass Miley in a few weeks. 1) Miley was coming off a flop era and was out of the scene for more than 2 years before We Can't Stop was released. She exceeded expectations while Katy and Gaga performed far under expectations. 2) She is turning out to be a digital sales beast. Watch her next single Adore You also scan close to 3 million copies. 3) If you were to tell me one year ago that Miley would open with similar numbers to Katy's Teenage Dream follow up and would open bigger than Lady Gaga's BTW follow-up, I would think you were certifiably insane.
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Post by badrobot on Nov 13, 2013 21:29:08 GMT -5
What a thread already!
Well, the biggest surprise with Applause, after its disappointing debut, was that it stuck around and became a legit hit. It's not impossible the same could happen with Artpop. If they release Gypsy after DWUW I could easily see her snagging three top ten hits and having a respectable run.
But, look -- she abandoned mainstream pop awhile ago (at least compared to someone like Katy Perry, whose songs are tailor-made for pop radio). Born This Way sold purely based on hype and past success, not on the music itself. She's got to prove herself again. Some strong singles may do that.
I kinda wish she'd stop trying to have both worlds though... either do a straight-up weirdo album without trying to be poppy, or bring back the tight pop songs of The Fame/Fame Monster. Either direction would be more satisfying.
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Post by franklin on Nov 13, 2013 21:29:48 GMT -5
Queen Miley still getting press and shitting on your favs <3
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Post by RadioBeatz on Nov 13, 2013 21:40:41 GMT -5
What a thread already! Well, the biggest surprise with Applause, after its disappointing debut, was that it stuck around and became a legit hit. It's not impossible the same could happen with Artpop. If they release Gypsy after DWUW I could easily see her snagging three top ten hits and having a respectable run. But, look -- she abandoned mainstream pop awhile ago (at least compared to someone like Katy Perry, whose songs are tailor-made for pop radio). Born This Way sold purely based on hype and past success, not on the music itself. She's got to prove herself again. Some strong singles may do that. I kinda wish she'd stop trying to have both worlds though... either do a straight-up weirdo album without trying to be poppy, or bring back the tight pop songs of The Fame/Fame Monster. Either direction would be more satisfying. Let me lol a bit with this part. "Applause" is obviously an indie anthem, that's so out of the mainstream. Stop making excuses, Gaga is in a downward spiral and fading, that happens to EVERYONE in the music game, it just comes sooner to some while others last a bit more.
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Post by badrobot on Nov 13, 2013 21:49:57 GMT -5
What a thread already! Well, the biggest surprise with Applause, after its disappointing debut, was that it stuck around and became a legit hit. It's not impossible the same could happen with Artpop. If they release Gypsy after DWUW I could easily see her snagging three top ten hits and having a respectable run. But, look -- she abandoned mainstream pop awhile ago (at least compared to someone like Katy Perry, whose songs are tailor-made for pop radio). Born This Way sold purely based on hype and past success, not on the music itself. She's got to prove herself again. Some strong singles may do that. I kinda wish she'd stop trying to have both worlds though... either do a straight-up weirdo album without trying to be poppy, or bring back the tight pop songs of The Fame/Fame Monster. Either direction would be more satisfying. Let me lol a bit with this part. "Applause" is obviously an indie anthem, that's so out of the mainstream. Stop making excuses, Gaga is in a downward spiral and fading, that happens to EVERYONE in the music game, it just comes sooner to some while others last a bit more. ? I'm not making excuses, I'm saying she's making music that is not as appealing to people anymore. Born This Way was a bit of a mess. If you look at all her singles pre-BTW, they were tight, catchy, well produced songs. Everything since has been far less conventional. Sometimes it's been good, sometimes it's been terrible, but it's certainly not been easy pop radio fare. I think you completely missed my point. I think she wants to have the best of both worlds -- be all arty and weird and still popular -- and I'm saying that is not working. Pick a direction, either give up on trying to be #1 and explore art without concern for popularity, or make straight-up pop and stop trying to call it art.
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Post by divasummer on Nov 13, 2013 21:57:29 GMT -5
GaGa is very talented but somewhat a gimmick act. Her talent will keep her albums selling because she is talented. But her gimmick isn't all that new anymore so people aren't running to the store to buy her albums. She's got a pretty big core fanbase but the General public is getting over her. At least to the point they Have to see what she's doing.
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 13, 2013 21:59:58 GMT -5
Wow, this thread is just... I'm not gonna lie, I was expecting 400k for her, so this is way below my projections. I'm more surprised that Eminem is expected to drop that much though. That's steeper than his previous 2 projects I believe.
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Post by josh on Nov 13, 2013 22:04:10 GMT -5
We're seeing bigger and bigger 2nd week drops as the norm lately, so seeing Eminem (potentially) drop significantly bigger than before is not surprising to me.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 13, 2013 22:48:26 GMT -5
So HITS inital prediction was way off - keep in mind this is also November, she won't have any weeks higher going forward I think it's highly likely that she can reach a level of maintaining with sales because she has some high profile appearances in the coming weeks. It's just a matter of whether she focuses that promo in such a way that it is consistent and organized. I've noticed that she has been performing random tracks from ARTPOP recently as opposed to primarily working her single. I know it's release week so she wants to show off as much of the album as possible but I think it would be more helpful to do that one single at a time so people can get more familiar with that song, which will lead them to the album. The main reason why people are/will be mocking about this is because some of Gaga's fans hype her up too much. I definitely got that during BTW but I didn't get that so much this time around. I feel like Applause wasn't as warmly received by her fans as her past singles were so those not-as-batshit-crazy fans saw a flicker in the light that was Lady Gaga and it kind of brought them (and maybe her) back to earth again (if that makes sense) (maybe that's why she's going to space?). I think right now, people WANT to see her fail and they LOVE when something falters. And I'm actually NOT referring to Pulse. I'm actually surprised at the amount of support Gaga has been getting so far this era from Pulse, moreso than I'm surprised by the insane amount of criticism out there about her from blogs and well-known news websites. She's going to get a LOT of attention if/when her sales under-perform. I think what I find the MOST interesting about all of this is where she will head musically next. I do want her to change things up but I'm wondering if she will or not, based on how this album performs and if there will be some heavy label intervention (if there hasn't been already). I'm not familiar with the music of Cyndi Lauper (for example) after she stopped getting pop hits but I'm wondering if Gaga's music might actually get more fun if she isn't striving to get hits and sales and popularity and attention. But at the same time, part of the fun of Gaga's music was how it was presented in the context of popular culture, and on award shows, and the big events and the hype. Without all of that, it won't be the same and she just might become a "normal pop singer", thus making her much less interesting, even if her songs are good. But weren't little monsters bashing Prism's sales in that HITS thread back then? I can't speak for the others but I wasn't. I personally think Katy's album sales are low considering how many massive hits singles she's had but I certainly wouldn't attribute that to Katy being a flop in any way. Moreso just an oddity. I love when things backfire for annoying people whether it's real life or online. Your time will come. She and the album sure can't be faulted for lack of awareness. The Associated Press ran an article on the oversaturation. There's definitely been awareness but I honestly don't think a ton of it has come from her camp. I think the oversaturation is more-so attributed to Gaga being the centre of discussion in a lot of situations much like Miley has been lately. And because Gaga is much more polarizing than someone like Adele or Katy, any sort of oversaturation, whether from a label or from blogs and discussion forums, won't work as well in her favour. I don't know if oversaturation would be a reason though for low album sales for artpop though. I feel like people who are sick of her would be sick of her if they heard about her too much or rarely. My thoughts are that streaming played a bigger role for Gaga's lack of sales than for most because so much of Gaga's music relies on the curiosity factor. Because of all the hype, artificial or otherwise, people will want to check out her music just to see what she sounds like this time (and probably so they can find a reason to criticize her) and streaming is (mostly) free so that probably cut into a lot of potential sales that people would have put money into for the sake of it. Plus, her fanbase are probably more likely to just stream the album regularly than go buy it because they can. it is kind of funny (and ironic) that Gaga's stans like to poke fun at Katy for not being able to sell albums, yet ARTPOP is on track to sell less than Prism did its first week out. Ouch. It is, for sure. Though in terms of popularity, Roar > Applause. At least cyndi lauper had an incredible voice, gorgeous music and a winsome face, none of which Gaga can claim...if gaga's career ends up on a similar trajectory as cyndi's then she is very lucky to have even that! Gaga has a lovely voice, great songs and I do love her face. She can claim all of those things that Cyndi (whom I love) can. Regarding the Miley discussion, I think it's clear that Miley is the top female pop singer at the moment and will probably go down as the 2013's "it" girl. *shudder at that term* At the Britney prediction, I could see Britney's first weeks being disappointingly low also. There seems to be a severe lack of promo for it and the singles from it aren't doing a whole lot. She'd sell mostly on her name but without that level of awareness of when her album will be out, even that could be in jeopardy.
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Post by TylerG11 on Nov 13, 2013 23:41:01 GMT -5
I'm 100% sure Gaga will sell above 300K this week. You can quote me on that next week too. Have fun with that. I'm sure I'll have to eat those words several times over come Monday/Tuesday ;)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 23:41:07 GMT -5
I feel like there's kind of an "anti-pop" movement going on right now following years of mindless dance-pop. Not to the extent that there was one in the early 90s, but still..
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 13, 2013 23:48:02 GMT -5
I feel like there's kind of an "anti-pop" movement going on right now following years of mindless dance-pop. Not to the extent that there was one in the early 90s, but still.. Maybe in terms of album sales. But certainly not single sales.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 23:51:04 GMT -5
I feel like there's kind of an "anti-pop" movement going on right now following years of mindless dance-pop. Not to the extent that there was one in the early 90s, but still.. Maybe in terms of album sales. But certainly not single sales. Looking at the iTunes Top 10 right now: Eminem A cover of "Hallelujah" Lorde OneRepublic Imagine Dragons Passenger Mumford & EDM "Wake Me Up" A lot of music that goes in a different direction from the dance-pop that dominated over the past 4-5 years. Gaga and Katy Perry's most recent singles haven't been selling that well.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 13, 2013 23:59:33 GMT -5
Maybe in terms of album sales. But certainly not single sales. Looking at the iTunes Top 10 right now: Eminem A cover of "Hallelujah" Lorde OneRepublic Imagine Dragons Passenger Mumford & EDM "Wake Me Up" A lot of music that goes in a different direction from the dance-pop that dominated over the past 4-5 years. Gaga and Katy Perry's most recent singles haven't been selling that well. I think you're living in the "now" too much. Roar is set to break digital records, and Miley's singles have done great also. But aside from those, I guess i agree.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 0:05:02 GMT -5
Looking at the iTunes Top 10 right now: Eminem A cover of "Hallelujah" Lorde OneRepublic Imagine Dragons Passenger Mumford & EDM "Wake Me Up" A lot of music that goes in a different direction from the dance-pop that dominated over the past 4-5 years. Gaga and Katy Perry's most recent singles haven't been selling that well. I think you're living in the "now" too much. Roar is set to break digital records, and Miley's singles have done great also. But aside from those, I guess i agree. I didn't say there are no dance-pop oriented artists having success. I said pop music in general seems to be moving in a different direction. It's not just "now" either. You could argue it started in 2011 with Adele and now the pendulum is swinging in favor of more adult oriented pop and rock. It's just even more prevalent now, to the extent that it's possibly dominating over other types of pop music.
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