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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 20, 2015 10:19:59 GMT -5
This is getting ridiculous. She's still gaining massively and it's Saturday. She's 5 million ahead of Blake on MB but Black River continues to massively push this. She's going to crash hard come Sunday.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 20, 2015 12:39:59 GMT -5
While this massive push is unnecessary, the sharp drop that Kelsea will experience obviously doesn't matter to Black River and their promotional team (over 8300 spins now, lol). They probably figure that they would only get one week atop both charts anyway and why not make this "Kelsea week" to make history as the first solo female to hit #1 on Billboard airplay since "Blown Away" in 2012 and the first debut single from a solo female artist on an indie label to ever hit #1. This also signals to me that they are prepared to give "Dibs" an add date as soon as Kelsea is declared #1 on Monday (wouldn't be surprised to see it put in Aircheck and Billboard's issues on Monday evening).
"Love Me Like You Mean It" will still get a good amount of recurrent airplay once it leaves the charts, so in the end I think Black River just doesn't care about the free fall and wanted to prove a point (as unnecessary as that might seem) to everyone that a debut solo female can do great at country radio. This is just showing off and basking in some sunshine, to me anyway.
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Post by joey2002 on Jun 20, 2015 13:39:03 GMT -5
^ Do you know what the record is for most spins on Mediabase?
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 20, 2015 14:14:02 GMT -5
^ Do you know what the record is for most spins on Mediabase? 8319 by "Love Me Like You Mean It" is the record unless I'm forgetting someone. "Homegrown" got up to 8211 in April.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 20, 2015 15:14:04 GMT -5
8319 by "Love Me Like You Mean It" is the record unless I'm forgetting someone. "Homegrown" got up to 8211 in April. I wonder if 'highest spin total' is one of the records they were going after, and that was part of the reason for the insane push this week. Eh, perhaps. If time has shown us anything though, it's that the number of spins for the #1 single will only go up. I remember when 7,000 was like "whoa, that's insane." Now we're at 8300 spins, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 19:19:31 GMT -5
I find this little stunt that Black River is pulling to be really annoying. I mean, a bullet of 1045? I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back to bite them. I mean, audience and spin numbers have been increasing for the top 10 songs for years (which hurts almost everybody outside the top 40, but w/e), but this is taking it to a whole new level. If the next couple of #1's feel like they need to go to 8300+ spins, that's only going to hurt the lower-charting singles...one of which could be "Dibs". And if Black River finds themselves in a #1 battle anytime in the near future, well, next time they might lose out to one of the bigger labels. I think Black River is a good label but I just don't understand what they're thinking this week. Just exactly how are they getting all of this airplay? They can't give money to the radio stations...which probably means that Kelsea is going to be playing dozens of "free" radio station-sponsored shows (meaning, listeners/fans get in for free, and the artist doesn't make a dime) in the coming weeks/months in order to pay for all this extra unnecessary airplay. I like Kelsea and I like this song (it's not one of my absolute favorites, but I like it well enough), but now I'm almost hoping that she sets a record for most spins lost in one week. Black River won't care because they got the #1, but it'll give me a small measure of satisfaction. I think Tyler Farr's "A Guy Walks Into A Bar" holds the record for most spins lost (3076) in the week after it hit #1. Also, sabre14, according to Kworb, Tyler Farr got up to 8336 total spins on MB, although he 'only' had 8306 on the published chart on May 17. The next day, the 18th (last day of that BB tracking week), was when AGWIAB hit its high water mark on MB, with 8336 spins. It began plummeting the very next day.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 20, 2015 19:29:59 GMT -5
I find this little stunt that Black River is pulling to be really annoying. I mean, a bullet of 1045? I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back to bite them. I mean, audience and spin numbers have been increasing for the top 10 songs for years (which hurts almost everybody outside the top 40, but w/e), but this is taking it to a whole new level. If the next couple of #1's feel like they need to go to 8300+ spins, that's only going to hurt the lower-charting singles...one of which could be "Dibs". And if Black River finds themselves in a #1 battle anytime in the near future, well, next time they might lose out to one of the bigger labels. I think Black River is a good label but I just don't understand what they're thinking this week. Just exactly how are they getting all of this airplay? They can't give money to the radio stations...which probably means that Kelsea is going to be playing dozens of "free" radio station-sponsored shows (meaning, listeners/fans get in for free, and the artist doesn't make a dime) in the coming weeks/months in order to pay for all this extra unnecessary airplay. I like Kelsea and I like this song (it's not one of my absolute favorites, but I like it well enough), but now I'm almost hoping that she sets a record for most spins lost in one week. Black River won't care because they got the #1, but it'll give me a small measure of satisfaction. I agree with much of this, although I am fairly confident I know what Black River's thinking is in this scenario...doesn't mean I agree with it. Look at these numbers. Kelsea has increased from 39 spins last week to 96 spins this week on WBEG in Chicago. 53 spins to 90 spins on WPGB in Pittsburgh. "Love Me Like You Mean It" is at 70 or more spins on 19 stations right now, which is ridiculous. I really like the people who run Black River and they deserve to be a big player in country radio, but I wish that this song wasn't pulling away like this. I expect quite the fall next week, although I don't see a "record breaking" fall if I had to guess, but we'll see - 8300 spins with one day remaining is asinine. Black River just might have to learn the hard way that this is unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 20:41:40 GMT -5
I think Bobby Bones may have played this every hour last week, which means the gains are a bit inflated beyond what Black River has done for this #1 push. (If someone who listens to Bones' show regularly could verify this, that'd be great!) Judging by the All Access Leaders page for this single, the stations that seem to have increased Kelsea's rotation the most last week seem to be mostly iHeartMedia stations:
WEBG: +57 spins (iHeartMedia) WPGB: +37 spins (iHeartMedia) KCCY: +21 spins (iHeartMedia) KMLE: +18 spins (CBS) KZSN: +17 spins (iHeartMedia) KAWO: +10 spins (Townsquare Media)
Since the Bobby Bones Show is played on the iHeartMedia stations every morning, if Bones played the song 25 times over the past week, this could account for 15-20 extra spins on these stations, and possibly a few hundred spins added to this song's overall spins bullet for the week. Additionally, Kelsea really hasn't reached any insanely high peak numbers just yet. She's currently at 8319 spins and 58.4 million audience on Mediabase. The audience total has been bested by recent #1 songs "Smoke" (58.8 million audience) and "Don't It" (59.3 million audience). Kelsea will probably end up with 100-150 spins higher than these two at her peak, but given the Bobby Bones inflation that's not too strange.
So perhaps a lot of the big gains Kelsea has been having are simply due to her top 10 run being more rapid than most #1 songs. On Billboard Country Airplay, Billy Currington's "Don't It" took nine weeks to coast through the top 10, while A Thousand Horses' "Smoke" and Florida Georgia Line's "Sippin' on Fire" took eight weeks. Kelsea has only taken five weeks to climb through the top 10, so she's basically gaining the same amount of airplay most #1 songs gain as they climb through the top 10 in several weeks' less time, which would explain why her weekly bullets would be higher. Therefore, I don't see anything about this as too unusual.
Sure Black River could have gotten their #1 without doing just about any hard pushing this week, but when the label only has one song to promote, there's no better way to spend their time this week than maximizing the number of people who are hearing this song. I don't really think there will be any new trend for #1 pushes set by this and I think "Dibs" will do just fine on the charts.
ETA: This same scenario happened with Cole Swindell's "Ain't Worth the Whiskey," which spent only five weeks climbing through the top 10 and ended up being the Greatest Gainer in both spins and audience on both Billboard and Mediabase charts the week it went to #1. On the Mediabase chart that had Cole at #1, he had gained 798 spins and 5.638 million audience. On the Billboard chart Cole led, AWTW showed an increase of 855 spins and 4.588 million audience. When you factor out the extra spins from the Bobby Bones show that Kelsea received this week, her gains aren't much different from Cole's at all. So basically I just see this as a case of Kelsea having way more room to grow than most #1 songs do.
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Post by avalyn on Jun 21, 2015 2:27:50 GMT -5
@daydrinker Bobby stated on the show one day this week that the suits lectured him about playing it hourly and as much as he had during the week. It was when he was interviewing Phillip Sweet of Little Big Town. Phillip requested the song and Bobby explained that but said he couldn't say no to Little Big Town so he was going to play it again for him. I know the next day or so after Deana Carter requested it too. He claimed it was Kelsea Ballerini week hence the playing of the song a lot.
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Post by ericNY2002 on Jun 21, 2015 7:19:00 GMT -5
I find this little stunt that Black River is pulling to be really annoying. I mean, a bullet of 1045? I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back to bite them. I mean, audience and spin numbers have been increasing for the top 10 songs for years (which hurts almost everybody outside the top 40, but w/e), but this is taking it to a whole new level. If the next couple of #1's feel like they need to go to 8300+ spins, that's only going to hurt the lower-charting singles...one of which could be "Dibs". And if Black River finds themselves in a #1 battle anytime in the near future, well, next time they might lose out to one of the bigger labels. I think Black River is a good label but I just don't understand what they're thinking this week. Just exactly how are they getting all of this airplay? They can't give money to the radio stations...which probably means that Kelsea is going to be playing dozens of "free" radio station-sponsored shows (meaning, listeners/fans get in for free, and the artist doesn't make a dime) in the coming weeks/months in order to pay for all this extra unnecessary airplay. I like Kelsea and I like this song (it's not one of my absolute favorites, but I like it well enough), but now I'm almost hoping that she sets a record for most spins lost in one week. Black River won't care because they got the #1, but it'll give me a small measure of satisfaction. I think Tyler Farr's "A Guy Walks Into A Bar" holds the record for most spins lost (3076) in the week after it hit #1. Also, sabre14, according to Kworb, Tyler Farr got up to 8336 total spins on MB, although he 'only' had 8306 on the published chart on May 17. The next day, the 18th (last day of that BB tracking week), was when AGWIAB hit its high water mark on MB, with 8336 spins. It began plummeting the very next day. The only thing I can think of to explain the massive push this week is that possibly Black River planned this massive push for this week a few weeks ago thinking Kelsea would have to fend off Carrie and Blake in a close race for #1, but as we got closer to this week the push didn't need to be as strong as thought but everything was already planned. As for setting the highest 1 week spin total, there's no use in trying cause the panel always seems to grow, ( a few years ago, a song with 5500 spins would be #1 and only 600-700 spins would get you to the top 40). We will be seeing 10,000 spins for a #1 song in the next year or two as panels continue to grow and more stations will act like pop stations and spin their top songs around 100 times a week. If Black River wants to make chart history, they could have "Love Me Like You Mean It" really free fall next week and make it the first song to go from #1 straight to recurrent on Billboard, although that will take probably about a 3500-3700 spin drop to make it happen
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 21, 2015 10:14:50 GMT -5
Per this mornings update, it appears that her bullet has decreased, down to +945 spins from over 1000. To me it looks like the bottom is beginning to fall out of this and I expect a massive loss in spins and AI by tomorrow morning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 10:42:13 GMT -5
Per this mornings update, it appears that her bullet has decreased, down to +945 spins from over 1000. To me it looks like the bottom is beginning to fall out of this and I expect a massive loss in spins and AI by tomorrow morning. It might show a decrease tomorrow morning, but it won't be massive. Also, the bottom definitely hasn't started to fall out yet. Kelsea still gained a whopping 84 spins and 0.631 million audience in today's update, but the reason the bullet went down from 1045 yesterday to 975 today is because she gained 154 spins on June 14. The bullet is the 7-day change as compared to the previous 7 days (so, in this case, it means that Kelsea gained 975 spins more from the 14th-20th from the 7th-13th). Today's update replaced the 14th in the rolling totals, and again, Kelsea gained 154 spins in the 06/14 update, and she gained 84 today. That's a difference of 70, and thus the bullet decreased by 70, from 1045 to 975 (again, because today's update replaced the 14th in the rolling total). I think she'll lose at least 10 million in audience and 1500 in spins in the next 7(ish) days at Mediabase, but that's only normal. If she loses 13-15 mil and 2000+ spins, that would be considered very steep. It's possible that this will have a bigger loss than normal since it's gained a lot this week and since it's been out so long (about to wrap up its 38th week on Billboard), but we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 21, 2015 15:23:05 GMT -5
It's official on MB, "Love Me Like You Mean It" is the #1 song in the country. It will officially be #1 on Billboard tomorrow afternoon. This marks three huge accomplishments: 1) The first solo female artist to hit #1 on Billboard airplay since October of 2012 ("Blown Away"). 2) The first solo female artist to hit #1 with their debut single (country single), on either chart, since Carrie Underwood did in January of 2006 with "Jesus, Take The Wheel." 3) The first solo female artist on an independent label to hit #1 with her debut single. I do wish that Kelsea's song wasn't putting up these head shaking numbers, but this really is a great milestone for her. Congratulations to Kelsea and Black River on their first #1. :) Edit: jhomes87, I just saw your post about the MB spin totals (I don't know how I originally missed them?). Thanks for info on Tyler's 8336 spin total that one day of his chart run, even though the published issue had him below Kelsea's total of yesterday (8319). Although, I guess that's all a moot point considering Kelsea's song just blew past it with 8403 spins today anyway.
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Post by Marv on Jun 21, 2015 21:44:27 GMT -5
I pointed out back in early 2006 during the unprecedented spin records posted by 'Jesus, Take The Wheel' as it related to SPSPW (Spins Per Station Per Week), at that time the FOURTH most heavily played single using that standard trailing only Live Like You Were Dying, As Good As I Once Was and I Go Back, what an exceptional chart run that was and that it was definitely one for the archives and history books.
When someone pointed out a few years ago that one of Luke's tunes had surpassed the 48 SPSPW mark surpassing the 47.94 standard set by Tim's outsized megasmash, I merely shrugged my shoulders knowing that the pronounced changes in country radio programming between 2006 and today has basically ensured that JTTWs place in the history books as the biggest debut single of the past decade will last for years to come.
As previously stated, the biggest debut country single of the past 15-20+ years by a very wide margin remains 'What I Really Meant To Say' by Cyndi Thomson, which needed a hefty 27 weeks to reach the Mediabase/R&R penthouse, displacing 'I'm Just Talking About Tonight in the process, and wound up spending 31 weeks on the charts and three weeks at #1.
Consequently any chart 'accomplishments' cited by Kelsea's label won't mean much if anything to many if not most of us.
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Post by hosssulpizio on Jun 21, 2015 23:29:47 GMT -5
You don't have to be so negative. I know this single will a memorable number one.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Jun 22, 2015 8:58:53 GMT -5
3) The first solo female artist on an independent label to hit #1 with her debut single. Apparently, not the first ever. According to the industry chart geeks: All Access
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 22, 2015 10:24:56 GMT -5
3) The first solo female artist on an independent label to hit #1 with her debut single. Apparently, not the first ever. According to the industry chart geeks: All AccessTechnically speaking, yes, but MGM was around since the 40's and had countless big time artists on their label like Hank Williams Jr., Conway Twitty, Roy Acuff and Mel Tillis. Dot Records was around for over 20 years before Donna Fargo's hit and their were not as many labels competing in those days, so it was a tad easier to achieve hit singles. Not taking anything away from those two songs mentioned but Black River has only been in business for 7 years and the loom of UMG, Sony and Warner Music, not to mention the countless other labels in Nashville running up against them, I think Kelsea's accomplishment should be recognized into at least a more "modern era." As knowledgeable as I am with that charts, I'm only in my mid 20's, so the 60's and 70's are not exactly my forte, lol.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Jun 22, 2015 12:44:32 GMT -5
Going by that list I hope Kelsea is more of a Connie, Trisha, Faith or Carrie than the rest in terms of longevity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 12:48:48 GMT -5
I think for any country fan like in the 18-35 demographic will see this as historic. Kelsea is about to do on Billboard (keep in mind this is her debut song) what all these songs (they had to peak after Blown Away and hit the Top 20.)
Begin Again #3. Way past it's natural peak when it stopped Merry Go Round #10. Spent too much time Two Black Cadilacs. #2 Blame Sure Be Cool If You Did Mama's Broken Heart #2. Blame Get Your Shine On and Downtown wanting to stay a little longer than it should. See You Again #2. Little Bit Of Everything is to blame here. Easy. #17 No real digital sales to make up any farther Red. #7. Spent way too long given the artist behind it. Wasting All These Tears #10. No one in the Top 9 was gonna back off and Cassadee paid the price. Heart Of Dixie. #12. Way too tough of competition. Slow Me Down #17. Poor sales and callbavk scores. Automatic #3. Play It Again and This Is How We Roll (gulp) caused this one. Something Bad. #7. Didn't quite make it thru the buried pack of lead single releases. Something In The Water. #3. Well Arista screwed this one over. Little Red Wagon #16. Hit a brick wall and never recovered.
That is at total of 14 songs that hit The Top 20 but couldn't quite get their way to the Top. Kelsea shattered all expectations and did it and I am so happy.
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Post by kanimal on Jun 22, 2015 13:05:53 GMT -5
I pointed out back in early 2006 during the unprecedented spin records posted by 'Jesus, Take The Wheel' as it related to SPSPW (Spins Per Station Per Week), at that time the FOURTH most heavily played single using that standard trailing only Live Like You Were Dying, As Good As I Once Was and I Go Back, what an exceptional chart run that was and that it was definitely one for the archives and history books. When someone pointed out a few years ago that one of Luke's tunes had surpassed the 48 SPSPW mark surpassing the 47.94 standard set by Tim's outsized megasmash, I merely shrugged my shoulders knowing that the pronounced changes in country radio programming between 2006 and today has basically ensured that JTTWs place in the history books as the biggest debut single of the past decade will last for years to come. As previously stated, the biggest debut country single of the past 15-20+ years by a very wide margin remains 'What I Really Meant To Say' by Cyndi Thomson, which needed a hefty 27 weeks to reach the Mediabase/R&R penthouse, displacing 'I'm Just Talking About Tonight in the process, and wound up spending 31 weeks on the charts and three weeks at #1. Consequently any chart 'accomplishments' cited by Kelsea's label won't mean much if anything to many if not most of us. For what it's worth, the actual press release only talks about Kelsea being one of 11 women to debut at #1 (consequently also noting the fact that she's the first to do so since Carrie) and the first solo female Billboard #1 since Carrie's Blown Away. Perhaps more celebration will come in future press material or the Aircheck/BB ads, but it's not the cornerstone of BRE's push. We can debate stuff related to spin record and the whole indie situation, but neither of the "milestones" BRE is touting is misleading. What makes this feel so special is timing. As frustrating as it was (as much for the geeky follow-up jokes as the rant itself), the "tomato" interview could not have come at a more perfect time for Kelsea's narrative. And even though Kelsea's rise does not disprove the rant the way some people think it does, it's still nice to see a new female go to #1 weeks after an expert radio consultant said no one wants to hear women. Moreover, we're a few weeks removed from Carrie Underwood dominating the CMT Awards and a few months removed from Miranda dominating the ACMs. So the fact that we have a NEW solo female at #1 is very nice from an optics perspective.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 22, 2015 13:33:22 GMT -5
Just for sabre14, final MediaBase numbers: 2 1 KELSEA BALLERINI Love Me Like You Mean It 8403 7428 975 59.03
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Post by tigers09 on Jun 22, 2015 14:42:36 GMT -5
This has only sold 200K? Yikes
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jun 22, 2015 19:55:38 GMT -5
From Billboard:
Country Airplay *** No. 1 (1 week)***/Greatest Gainer "Love Me Like You Mean It" Kelsea Ballerini Kelsea Ballerini scores the first debut No. 1 by a woman on Billboard's Country Airplay chart in more than nine years, as "Love Me Like You Mean It" rises 2-1. The song marks the first career-opening Country Airplay No. 1 by a female artist since Carrie Underwood arrived with her first single officially promoted to country radio, "Jesus, Take the Wheel," which began a six-week reign on the chart dated Jan. 21, 2006. (Underwood had first charted two non-promoted entries that failed to rise higher than No. 50 on the Country Airplay chart in the wake of her winning the 2005 season of Fox's American Idol.)
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Post by bigfan101 on Jun 22, 2015 20:01:57 GMT -5
Gordon Kerr took out a full page ad to write a huge thank you note that was incredible lay well-written and just makes me want to cheer on this label even more.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 22, 2015 20:06:31 GMT -5
Gordon Kerr took out a full page ad to write a huge thank you note that was incredible lay well-written and just makes me want to cheer on this label even more. I agree, very well done and classy ad from Gordon Kerr and the heads of Black River. I know from the Bills and Sabres, the Pegulas run every business they own (including Black River) with class and sincerity. Cool to also see Kerr give credit to Craig Morgan and Kellie Pickler in the thank you.
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Post by tekkenguy on Jun 22, 2015 21:52:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought the music-buying public would be more open to someone like her than a male artist. I think she's just lacking promo. One good push and she could easily have a "Girl Crush"-sized hit on her hands, at the least. And if she releases it to pop it could be this year's "Need You Now."
It's clear audiences want another female country superstar to join Carrie and Miranda now that Taylor's gone pop. If Kacey, Cassadee, Jana, etc. didn't work out, she could definitely be the one to fill her void. She's a lot younger than them so the young pop demographic will be able to relate to her better.
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Post by hosssulpizio on Jun 22, 2015 22:23:11 GMT -5
I'm hoping Kelsea fills that Taylor Swift gap also. So happy that "Love Me Like You Mean It" became a number one hit! She is just so lovable and I know she is gonna be a big star. Here's to "Dibs" being her next number one! Hope I'm right.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 22, 2015 23:03:32 GMT -5
I couldn't be more happy that this is at #1. I am so relieved that a solo female was finally able to hit #1 for the first time in almost three years, and for it to double as a debut single from a new female is just a fantastic victory!
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