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Post by ant on Jun 11, 2015 8:34:47 GMT -5
I really enjoyed her short performance of this on the CMT Awards last night with the countrier instrumentation/arrangement. I would love to hear an official studio version like that, but I doubt we'll ever get it.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 12, 2015 20:26:50 GMT -5
I think Black River might gun for the #1 next week, with Carrie. I definitely think Sony is helping Kenny out with his allocated spins (which jhomes87 first made mention of), though "Wild Child's" lead was large enough where that wouldn't be too big a factor. Blake is obviously getting to #1 no matter what and at this point, I'd be shocked if I saw Warner put the foot on the gas next week for #1. The heels of the CMA Music Fest might be something Black River tries to capitalize on. Kelsea's media buzz has definitely grown over recent weeks and her label has done a pretty top notch job in helping "Love Me Like You Mean It" have massive gains and the right knack of television appearances and radio visits. "Love Me Like You Mean It" is up 106 spins and 800k in audience today, with 200 spins and 1.5 million in audience this week - roughly 500k more than Carrie - roughly even with Blake. If Warner eases off the pedal next week, then to me Kelsea is the clubhouse leader for the MB #1, and there might be a heated battle for the Billboard #1. I wouldn't rule out Black River being satisfied with a MB #1 on Sunday, but this label has very deep pockets and wanting #1 on both charts is something I would consider. It would be a shame though that two solo female singles look to be peaking the same week. If "Sangria" wasn't in the picture, I think a simple turn at #1 on both charts would be likely but the threat of Blake is just too great the week after next (as far as Kelsea is ahead of Blake on MB, they're still about neck and neck on Billboard) and I think both Black River and Sony recognize that.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 13, 2015 3:06:27 GMT -5
Much as I really want both of the ladies to get to #1 on both charts, if it can't happen, then I want Kelsea to get there *just* a bit more because breaking the 9-year drought of female artists taking a debut single to the top will be such a great victory to see, and so long-overdue. I'd love to see Carrie get her first #1 on BB since almost three year ago though, too. I wish Blake would just wait long enough for Kenny, Kelsea, and Carrie to all each get a week.
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Post by bboat11 on Jun 13, 2015 16:00:52 GMT -5
Much as I really want both of the ladies to get to #1 on both charts, if it can't happen, then I want Kelsea to get there *just* a bit more because breaking the 9-year drought of female artists taking a debut single to the top will be such a great victory to see, and so long-overdue. I'd love to see Carrie get her first #1 on BB since almost three year ago though, too. I wish Blake would just wait long enough for Kenny, Kelsea, and Carrie to all each get a week. I think I agree with your mindset here. Also, it is basically guaranteed that at this point in her career, Carrie's next lead single is going to make a HUGE splash and fly up the charts, giving her yet another chance to get to #1 before the end of the year. Kelsea, however, is still a new female artist, and who knows what her next single will do. This could be her one big chance for awhile. Only time will tell. I do enjoy "Little Toy Guns" more than "LMLYMI", but in this specific instance I will be totally happy either way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 7:56:47 GMT -5
All-righty people starting Monday or Tuesday is when we will see can Kelsea hit the top.
Here is what she would accomplish if she hit number 1 on both charts
Black Rivers first #1 Kelsea Ballerini's first #1 She would be the first in general female artist to hit the top since Maddie & Tae last year. First Solo vocalist to take a debut song to #1 since Sam Hunt First Billboard #1 by a female vocalist since Carrie Underwood with Blown Away in October 2012. First woman to hit the top not named Carrie Miranda or Taylor since Sara Evans in 2011 with A Little Bit Stronger The first solo woman to take a debut song to #1 since Carrie Underwood took Jesus Take The Wheel to number 1 in 2006 I wanna stay(need confirmation please.)
The fact that this is from an indie label like Black River makes this all the more impressive and historic.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jun 14, 2015 10:21:42 GMT -5
All-righty people starting Monday or Tuesday is when we will see can Kelsea hit the top. Here is what she would accomplish if she hit number 1 on both charts Black Rivers first #1 Kelsea Ballerini's first #1 She would be the first in general female artist to hit the top since Maddie & Tae last year. First Solo vocalist to take a debut song to #1 since Sam Hunt First Billboard #1 by a female vocalist since Carrie Underwood with Blown Away in October 2012. First woman to hit the top not named Carrie Miranda or Taylor since Sara Evans in 2011 with A Little Bit Stronger The first solo woman to take a debut song to #1 since Carrie Underwood took Jesus Take The Wheel to number 1 in 2006 I wanna stay(need confirmation please.) The fact that this is from an indie label like Black River makes this all the more impressive and historic. Great stats, technically Carrie's debut single was Inside Your Heaven, so I am not sure who the most recent would be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 10:31:45 GMT -5
Great stats, technically Carrie's debut single was Inside Your Heaven, so I am not sure who the most recent would be. "Jesus, Take The Wheel" was Carrie's debut single at country radio, though; "Inside Your Heaven" was never sent to country radio. It's sort of how "Leave The Night On" is Sam Hunt's debut single, because "Raised On It" was before he was signed to MCA, and that one was only sent to SiriusXM. If it wasn't sent to radio, it won't count as an artist's debut single (at that particular format, anyway).
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Post by bigfan101 on Jun 14, 2015 10:45:02 GMT -5
Great stats, technically Carrie's debut single was Inside Your Heaven, so I am not sure who the most recent would be. "Jesus, Take The Wheel" was Carrie's debut single at country radio, though; "Inside Your Heaven" was never sent to country radio. It's sort of how "Leave The Night On" is Sam Hunt's debut single, because "Raised On It" was before he was signed to MCA, and that one was only sent to SiriusXM. If it wasn't sent to radio, it won't count as an artist's debut single (at that particular format, anyway). Ah, got it.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 14, 2015 12:28:24 GMT -5
The fact that this is from an indie label like Black River makes this all the more impressive and historic. Most labels in Nashville are independent, so to me while this would be noteworthy and historic, I really don't see it as super impressive. Yes it's impressive in terms of Black River doing the great work to get Kelsea's single in this position but I know this label better than any other (the owners of the label own my two my favorite sports teams); they have the money and the resources to get #1 singles, and the numbers "Love Me Like You Mean It" are putting up is proof. You also have to factor in that they have nothing else they are currently working to radio right now other than John King's latest, which has gotten buried by new releases. This label just needed time to obtain name recognition, just like Broken Bow did who also has a rich owner. Their first artist to work to radio was Jeff Bates in 2008 and his singles got airplay on mostly secondary markets. It took them 4 more years to get their first top 20 single ("This Ole Boy") and then another 3 years to get their first top 10, top 5 and likely #1 ("Love Me Like You Mean It"). VFR getting a top 10 out of "Mrs. Steven Rudy" in 2001 was the definition of impressive, especially considering the label went under a couple years later, lol. That being said, it is pretty cool to see a label like Black River going stride for stride with Warner and Sony, and even out striding them.
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Post by fe_lipeoliveira on Jun 14, 2015 16:06:37 GMT -5
I really enjoyed her short performance of this on the CMT Awards last night with the countrier instrumentation/arrangement. I would love to hear an official studio version like that, but I doubt we'll ever get it. Is there any video of it?
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Post by ant on Jun 14, 2015 16:09:59 GMT -5
I really enjoyed her short performance of this on the CMT Awards last night with the countrier instrumentation/arrangement. I would love to hear an official studio version like that, but I doubt we'll ever get it. Is there any video of it? It was on YouTube on Thursday or Friday, but I just looked again and it seems to have been taken down. :(
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 20:11:57 GMT -5
The fact that this is from an indie label like Black River makes this all the more impressive and historic. Most labels in Nashville are independent, so to me while this would be noteworthy and historic, I really don't see it as super impressive. Yes it's impressive in terms of Black River doing the great work to get Kelsea's single in this position but I know this label better than any other (the owners of the label own my two my favorite sports teams); they have the money and the resources to get #1 singles, and the numbers "Love Me Like You Mean It" are putting up is proof. You also have to factor in that they have nothing else they are currently working to radio right now other than John King's latest, which has gotten buried by new releases. This label just needed time to obtain name recognition, just like Broken Bow did who also has a rich owner. Their first artist to work to radio was Jeff Bates in 2008 and his singles got airplay on mostly secondary markets. It took them 4 more years to get their first top 20 single ("This Ole Boy") and then another 3 years to get their first top 10, top 5 and likely #1 ("Love Me Like You Mean It"). VFR getting a top 10 out of "Mrs. Steven Rudy" in 2001 was the definition of impressive, especially considering the label went under a couple years later, lol. That being said, it is pretty cool to see a label like Black River going stride for stride with Warner and Sony, and even out striding them. I think what to me makes this impressive is well she got to number #1 where Miranda and Carrie came up short the last couple of years. A debut song by a solo female getting to the top in over 10 years. Most of all when you look at her label they only achieve a couple of Top 20s. Then Kelsea a newcomer from a label that isn't that big and she has no name recognization just comes in and she is the one who propels the label. I figured she was gonna scratch like the Top 30 given how tough it was for women. So given how low my expectations were of how this song what it could accomplish next week to me is a historic and impressive thing itself.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 14, 2015 20:25:55 GMT -5
Most labels in Nashville are independent, so to me while this would be noteworthy and historic, I really don't see it as super impressive. Yes it's impressive in terms of Black River doing the great work to get Kelsea's single in this position but I know this label better than any other (the owners of the label own my two my favorite sports teams); they have the money and the resources to get #1 singles, and the numbers "Love Me Like You Mean It" are putting up is proof. You also have to factor in that they have nothing else they are currently working to radio right now other than John King's latest, which has gotten buried by new releases. This label just needed time to obtain name recognition, just like Broken Bow did who also has a rich owner. Their first artist to work to radio was Jeff Bates in 2008 and his singles got airplay on mostly secondary markets. It took them 4 more years to get their first top 20 single ("This Ole Boy") and then another 3 years to get their first top 10, top 5 and likely #1 ("Love Me Like You Mean It"). VFR getting a top 10 out of "Mrs. Steven Rudy" in 2001 was the definition of impressive, especially considering the label went under a couple years later, lol. That being said, it is pretty cool to see a label like Black River going stride for stride with Warner and Sony, and even out striding them. I think what to me makes this impressive is well she got to number #1 where Miranda and Carrie came up short the last couple of years. A debut song by a solo female getting to the top in over 10 years. Most of all when you look at her label they only achieve a couple of Top 20s. Then Kelsea a newcomer from a label that isn't that big and she has no name recognization just comes in and she is the one who propels the label. I figured she was gonna scratch like the Top 30 given how tough it was for women. So given how low my expectations were of how this song what it could accomplish next week to me is a historic and impressive thing itself.
My post was more directed at Black River not needing an inordinate amount of praise because it was inevitable they would achieve chart success to me. Of course Kelsea's gender and young career makes it historic and impressive in that regard. Kelsea earned her hit here but Black River propelled her more than she propelled Black River. Without promotion money, you can't do anything at mainstream radio. This label found her and saw potential in her to reach star level success with her pop-leaning country and this label team did wonders for her. As for expectations, mine were not as tempered as yours. Did I see this getting #1? No. But when this reached the top 20, I was not in the least bit surprised. The only thing that worked against Kelsea was gender. She had the talent. A great radio tour. A great single selection for a debut, and a stellar label pumping countless money into her single and album. Kudos is deserved all around. :)
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 14, 2015 21:39:39 GMT -5
Most labels in Nashville are independent, so to me while this would be noteworthy and historic, I really don't see it as super impressive. Yes it's impressive in terms of Black River doing the great work to get Kelsea's single in this position but I know this label better than any other (the owners of the label own my two my favorite sports teams); they have the money and the resources to get #1 singles, and the numbers "Love Me Like You Mean It" are putting up is proof. You also have to factor in that they have nothing else they are currently working to radio right now other than John King's latest, which has gotten buried by new releases. This label just needed time to obtain name recognition, just like Broken Bow did who also has a rich owner. Their first artist to work to radio was Jeff Bates in 2008 and his singles got airplay on mostly secondary markets. It took them 4 more years to get their first top 20 single ("This Ole Boy") and then another 3 years to get their first top 10, top 5 and likely #1 ("Love Me Like You Mean It"). VFR getting a top 10 out of "Mrs. Steven Rudy" in 2001 was the definition of impressive, especially considering the label went under a couple years later, lol. That being said, it is pretty cool to see a label like Black River going stride for stride with Warner and Sony, and even out striding them. I think what to me makes this impressive is well she got to number #1 where Miranda and Carrie came up short the last couple of years. A debut song by a solo female getting to the top in over 10 years. Most of all when you look at her label they only achieve a couple of Top 20s. Then Kelsea a newcomer from a label that isn't that big and she has no name recognization just comes in and she is the one who propels the label. I figured she was gonna scratch like the Top 30 given how tough it was for women. So given how low my expectations were of how this song what it could accomplish next week to me is a historic and impressive thing itself.
While Craig Morgan got a lot of firsts at BBR, she is basically Black River's Jason Aldean.
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Post by jonathanalan on Jun 15, 2015 8:52:33 GMT -5
Back from CMA Fest and I must say, Kelsea was not only a huge highlight for me, but for thousands of other country fans who attended the festival as well. She had a huge turnout (over 4,000) of people wanting to check out her performance at one of the free stages outside of Bridgestone arena. I had the chance to meet her a couple times throughout the weekend and she is so down to earth and so very sweet. The buzz around getting her to #1 is huge and I definitely see it happening. Dibs is the second single.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 15, 2015 15:51:58 GMT -5
With everything that is good and holy, I hope that this girl becomes a country music superstar. We're long overdue for more female mainstays.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 0:51:36 GMT -5
Full-page ad in Aircheck tonight: I don't see any way that this misses #1 now. On Billboard she's a full 1 million ahead of Blake, and she's 1000 points ahead of him on Mediabase as well.
ETA #1: It's 2:44 AM Pacific time, and Kelsea is #1 on Mediabase already (not surprised, though). 3 1 KELSEA BALLERINI Love Me Like You Mea... 7738 7212 526 54.078 ETA #2: Tracking #1 on Billboard as well (again, not surprised). Country No.1 Kelsea Ballerini Love Me Like You Mean It+1369 Florida Georgia Line Anything Goes
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Post by leilamaurizia on Jun 16, 2015 9:12:05 GMT -5
Congrats to Kelsea and Black River!
HUGE +1.412 million AI gain too. Completely unnecessary at this point unless they're gunning for another record of some sort or another or wanting to make the history books for something or another.
Speaking of history, when Black River says "Let's Make History", what are they referring to? And I don't mean first #1 since blah, blah. If you're comparing to what someone else already did, that is NOT "making history." Is LMLYMI close to having the highest SPS for a female in history? Highest airplay? Maybe that's what these insanely high daily gains are for.
In any case, Team Kelsea has done an incredible job launching her. I haven't been paying attention to country music lately and I still heard about her. I don't even recognize half the names on the MB chart.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 16, 2015 12:30:21 GMT -5
Congrats to Kelsea and Black River! HUGE +1.412 million AI gain too. Completely unnecessary at this point unless they're gunning for another record of some sort or another or wanting to make the history books for something or another. Speaking of history, when Black River says "Let's Make History", what are they referring to? And I don't mean first #1 since blah, blah. If you're comparing to what someone else already did, that is NOT "making history." Is LMLYMI close to having the highest SPS for a female in history? Highest airplay? Maybe that's what these insanely high daily gains are for. In any case, Team Kelsea has done an incredible job launching her. I haven't been paying attention to country music lately and I still heard about her. I don't even recognize half the names on the MB chart. To my knowledge, this would be the first time a solo female artist's debut single hit #1, on an independent label.
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Post by josephmorgan on Jun 16, 2015 13:17:35 GMT -5
It took 31 1/2 months, but we'll finally have a solo female at the top of the Airplay chart. With that in mind, the next solo female #1 won't come until mid-January of 2018 (j/k, of course.) However, I know that SCM's Trigger won't be happy about this.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 16, 2015 15:36:01 GMT -5
Congrats to Kelsea for ending the solo female drought at billboard! Nearly 3 years is way too long to go without a solo female #1
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 16, 2015 15:38:12 GMT -5
Congrats to Kelsea for ending the solo female drought at billboard! Nearly 3 years is way too long to go without a solo female #1 She isn't quite there yet. Next Monday it will be official if she gets there and right now that's looking inevitable. :)
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Jun 16, 2015 15:42:40 GMT -5
Well yeah but she's pretty far ahead that it would take a disaster of epic proportions to screw it up. Go girl power!
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 16, 2015 15:46:50 GMT -5
Well yeah but she's pretty far ahead that it would take a disaster of epic proportions to screw it up. Go girl power! Just pointing that Kelsea isn't "officially" there yet, lol. There will no disaster of epic proportions either. Only if the world comes to an end between now and next Monday...
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Post by bigfan101 on Jun 16, 2015 16:32:45 GMT -5
I think with the success of this song, she is a shoo-in for Female Vocalist and New Artist nods come CMA time.
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 16, 2015 19:06:55 GMT -5
I think with the success of this song, she is a shoo-in for Female Vocalist and New Artist nods come CMA time. Yes, she most likely is. She'll take the Swift slot (like she has at radio, at least w/this song).
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jun 16, 2015 22:09:03 GMT -5
I think with the success of this song, she is a shoo-in for Female Vocalist and New Artist nods come CMA time. Perhaps. But I think that she will need a follow-up single that is at least as successful and that she will need to have the numbers and presence to make her undeniable, because her songwriting/voice/music won't be enough to attract CMA voter notice - the current and next singles are both poppy & disposable, her music in general is garnering not even a fraction of the critical or industry regard of artists like Brandy Clark and Kacey Musgraves, and she doesn't have Mickey Guyton-ish vocal prowess or debut single buzz (even if Mickey's single is struggling). So in order to be seen as consequential and overcome the disadvantage of being on a small independent label, Kelsea will need to bowl people over with her commercial impact and media presence (basically, prove she really can be Taylor Swift, Part II). Her album isn't off to a good start in that regard, but perhaps it will stabilize and grow with the next single. Even then, the fifth Female Vocalist slot could still go to a stalwart like Martina (for her leadership role in #Saladgate, if nothing else) or to a critical darling like Ashley Monroe (whose ties to Blake and Miranda will only help her). I do think that Kelsea's chances of a New Artist nomination are stronger, but at this point, it's hard to imagine that category being anything but a two horse race between Sam Hunt the blockbuster and Chris Stapleton the beloved industry and critical veteran finally breaking out with his own music. I don't mind Kelsea Ballerini, but I will say that if country radio's going to open only one slot to a new woman, I would consider it a shame if that slot went to her instead of an artist making more distinctive music. But if we're headed into an era open to more women, then I can't begrudge her or her label their success.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jun 16, 2015 23:29:55 GMT -5
I think we're down to just three shoo-ins (Underwood, Musgravescand Lambett) for female. Please tell me I'm an idiot if I am forgetting someone obvious ha.
I totally see what your saying, but to me, if everything holds she would be the only female to chart at the top with a single that's probably headed to gold status. I think regardless of second single success that is worthy of a spot over some of the critical favs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 6:37:36 GMT -5
It is weird in a way if Little Toy Guns misses the top and Smokin and Drinkin doesn't get up fast enough if you think about it Kelsea would be the woman with the most radio success. Like honestly if you think about it despite her album not having strong sales with this song she should be a shoe-in. Martina hasn't released any music yet. Brandy Clark is in the same boat. Ashley Monroe second song fizzled out way too much. Kelsea to me is a definite favorite to get nominated.
Also YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kelsea is #1 please stay up there you can make history. Also can one of the chart gurus explain why this song keeps having monstrous gains I mean I love the fact that it is or is Black River going for like highest Billboard or MB audience.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jun 17, 2015 7:39:51 GMT -5
I think we're down to just three shoo-ins (Underwood, Musgravescand Lambett) for female. Please tell me I'm an idiot if I am forgetting someone obvious ha. I totally see what your saying, but to me, if everything holds she would be the only female to chart at the top with a single that's probably headed to gold status. I think regardless of second single success that is worthy of a spot over some of the critical favs. I was thinking of Reba as a lock for a Female Vocalist nomination -- it seems to me that her comeback is an unqualified success, with pretty strong album sales, a lead single that nearly everyone agrees is a hit regardless of how it's charting, and strong television and media visibility. That would leave one slot. I also think that even after we put the inevitable politics aside, voters hold different artists to different standards (not saying this is fair, just that it seems to happen). Martina was a perennial nominee, a four-time CMA Female Vocalist winner, and generally seen as one of the genre's finest voices, and if she has enough visibility during the voting period for nominations, that could be enough to get her in. It wouldn't be the first year she got a nomination without being particularly active. Ashley Monroe could get in thanks to her high-profile affiliations and critical heat. Heck, if "Better Than You Left Me" somehow manages to hang around and become a hit, I think that song is well-loved enough and Mickey Guyton respected enough as a vocal talent that she has a decent chance at slipping into the fifth slot (especially with the benefit of her label voting for her). I definitely see Kelsea's team putting up a fight since it has been near relentless on the media front, and I expect it to make an incredible amount of hay about her "historic" #1. I just think that she's going to need to show juggernaut-like signs during the August round of CMA voting (which determines the nominees) in order to get taken seriously, because she isn't otherwise the type of artist who would naturally garner industry support. Analogously, I think Sam Hunt's success has made him the kind of artist whom the industry can't ignore at awards shows. But so far, sales-wise, Kelsea Ballerini is no Sam Hunt.
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