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Post by maine on Jul 20, 2015 22:32:39 GMT -5
The more I listen to "Hold On Forever", I can't put together at all why it wasn't the debut single off of this album. It's something that sounds genuine RT, has a sound that actually sounds like it came from 2015 but could be timeless, and overall, so much better and not dependent on others. I don't need to beat a dead horse, but One Shot is almost as bad as the latest "new" single from American Authors, in my opinion, one of the worst debut from a follow-up singles released to Hot AC as a "Hot AC Single" this decade I'm a little confused by what you're saying, but you do realize "One Shot" is not a radio single yet, just an Instagrat/promo single? Also, Trust You still has a positive bullet on Hot AC! He's talking about American Authors' terrible lead single, "Go Big Or Go Home", being a terrible follow-up to their debut.
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Post by Kyle on Jul 21, 2015 6:53:59 GMT -5
Is "One Shot" really that bad? I'm surprised people are disliking it more than "Trust You." At least his vocals actually sound like him in it.
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Post by No Brake$ on Jul 21, 2015 7:32:49 GMT -5
One Shot sounds like an American Authors cover. Why someone would want to cover that garbage, I have no idea. Why he even worked with them in the first place is very bizarre to me.
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Post by idolman88 on Jul 24, 2015 16:42:38 GMT -5
OK - now Trust You looks like it might start going negative. Bullet is only at +74 right now.
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Post by funguy10 on Jul 24, 2015 17:21:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't blame the song if it falls. I blame the format. It's sickening that See You Again can go top 2, and all the rest of the acts that made this format what it was, (excluding Maroon 5) either have their singles miss top 10, or have them completely ignored altogether. Eventually it'll get to the point where the format won't play them at all.
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Post by idolman88 on Jul 24, 2015 19:55:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't blame the song if it falls. I blame the format. It's sickening that See You Again can go top 2, and all the rest of the acts that made this format what it was, (excluding Maroon 5) either have their singles miss top 10, or have them completely ignored altogether. Eventually it'll get to the point where the format won't play them at all. It is sad. I personally don't like the song but it is radio friendly. Where else are these (former) core Hot AC artists going to get airplay? Nowhere. I always listen to Hot AC because it's not always the same mindless drivel you hear on Top 40. I think Rob's label should send "I Think We'd Feel Good Together" to radio 1 week before the album release and use album release promo appearances to try to get some buzz/momentum going for that song. We haven't heard the studio version yet but I bet it will be his best chance for a hit right now.
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Post by No Brake$ on Jul 25, 2015 10:24:46 GMT -5
Yeah, bullet is at +36 right now. This song is probably done. It's almost depressing.
If Rob would have went with his original sound form last album or M20 days, I think he would have charted a lot better. I mean heck, Needtobreathe is even riding a hit without a pop sound as we speak. Come on...
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Jul 25, 2015 21:58:38 GMT -5
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Post by No Brake$ on Aug 1, 2015 12:06:38 GMT -5
Back up to +176 and also gaining momentum on AC. Will probably pass Sam Hunt and be #12 by the update. This is starting to take off again, perhaps a heavy push in August? Usually if a song breaks Top 10 on Hot AC more stations and Top 40 takes notice, and with Kelly Clarkson's bullett dying, I really think this will go Top 10. Interesting to say the least and I don't think anyone has any idea at this point which will be released next and when. Good news though.
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Post by Rumors on Aug 4, 2015 16:10:09 GMT -5
This thread had become so negative that I hadn't read anything in here since my last post. Anyway, I was actually pleasantly surprised to see that the song still has a bullet (+158 today). However, having said that, it looks like 4-5 songs ahead of it are dropping but there's about 5-6 songs behind Rob with bigger bullets. The album is out in 2 weeks so if the label is going to do anything it will be now. They did lower the price of the digital single this week to .69. My guess is they will see it that helps the digital sales any. If that doesn't spark some sales OR if they aren't going to release this song to Pop radio (which is personally where I think it could make the 20s) then I hope they do what someone above suggested and release ITWFGT and let Rob sing it on any TV promo he may have this month. If Trust You is about done, then I wouldn't waste Rob's precious TV exposure (what little he will undoubtedly have) on a dead song. You can check out the album thread to see what I thought of the album version of ITWFGT. That song has all the elements of what I love about Rob and I loved the production. This was hearing it about 10 times before they took down the link. Anyway, this will probably be my favorite Rob solo song ever and rank really high in my favorite Matchbox Twenty song list. I think it's that good!
As for One Shot, it is very catchy and I think it will be a good album track however because it sounds SO much like an American Authors track, I wouldn't release it as a single.
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Post by idolman88 on Aug 6, 2015 12:27:11 GMT -5
Bullet now below 100. This song is struggling.
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Post by funguy10 on Aug 6, 2015 12:39:16 GMT -5
Maybe it would go top 10 if Hot AC wasn't so obsessed with keeping Want to Want Me and Honey I'm Good around even with both songs having peaked a LONG time ago.
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Post by No Brake$ on Aug 13, 2015 10:53:26 GMT -5
Bullet is now negative.
After reading an album review, I am pretty frustrated with this entire album as I was very excited for it. However, these song previews just do not make any sense what so ever to me. It's as if he reverted backwards to ten years ago, and even more pop leaning. So this makes me think the following (I am likely TOTALLY wrong)
1. Rob wanted to do a fun POP-leaning album, and didn't care what anyone thought about it.
Regardless of his fans and actually critics warming to his AAA material on his past two albums, in almost a selfish way, he thought "I'm going to do a pop album, because that's what 'I' want". What I don't understand, is even his fans really did not like "Trust You" and you know, for most musicians, it's about the fans. So this makes me wonder:
2. With a pop-leaning album, what were Rob's expectations?
I can't imagine in today's radio climate, which is radio, the way Rob has been very successful, would embrace a guy in his 40's making a record of songs that sound somewhat dated. I have heard "it sounds very Phil Collins". It sounds NOTHING like Phil Collins, those were some real hits, big hits, these songs I feel sound generic and lazy. I question financially, if the record company was like, "oh yeah, this COULD work"...I just don't see how they would ever consider that.
What is so frustrating about this, is Rob was becoming more of a AAA artist, which like all the great musicians, that's usually where they end up, many musicians that Rob has worked with or has been influenced by, so for him to do this...I still can't make any sense of it. The "Trust You" video is one of the most painful and saddening things I have seen. He is such a clever, GREAT, artist, I can't contemplate what would make him move this direction. It's just so baffling.
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Post by kylen4 on Aug 14, 2015 7:56:14 GMT -5
Bullet is now negative. After reading an album review, I am pretty frustrated with this entire album as I was very excited for it. However, these song previews just do not make any sense what so ever to me. It's as if he reverted backwards to ten years ago, and even more pop leaning. So this makes me think the following (I am likely TOTALLY wrong) 1. Rob wanted to do a fun POP-leaning album, and didn't care what anyone thought about it. Regardless of his fans and actually critics warming to his AAA material on his past two albums, in almost a selfish way, he thought "I'm going to do a pop album, because that's what 'I' want". What I don't understand, is even his fans really did not like "Trust You" and you know, for most musicians, it's about the fans. So this makes me wonder: 2. With a pop-leaning album, what were Rob's expectations? I can't imagine in today's radio climate, which is radio, the way Rob has been very successful, would embrace a guy in his 40's making a record of songs that sound somewhat dated. I have heard "it sounds very Phil Collins". It sounds NOTHING like Phil Collins, those were some real hits, big hits, these songs I feel sound generic and lazy. I question financially, if the record company was like, "oh yeah, this COULD work"...I just don't see how they would ever consider that. What is so frustrating about this, is Rob was becoming more of a AAA artist, which like all the great musicians, that's usually where they end up, many musicians that Rob has worked with or has been influenced by, so for him to do this...I still can't make any sense of it. The "Trust You" video is one of the most painful and saddening things I have seen. He is such a clever, GREAT, artist, I can't contemplate what would make him move this direction. It's just so baffling. I've been a fan of Rob for a long time and my comments im about to make are my opinion based on how he's represented himself as an artist over the years. First, I'll talk about trust you. This is a make or break song for most people. A love it or hate it song and I'm perfectly ok with that. Does the song have great lyrics? To me no, they aren't terrible but I've heard better from him. There's also a little too much auto tune on his voice during the verses. Having said that, I still enjoy the song for its attitude and it has a solid hook. I can understand fans complaints but, what I don't understand is this criticism of Rob for selling out or being too pop. There is no definitive Rob Thomas/matchbox twenty sound. If people would exam their entire discography, they could stop and realize that their sound has changed from album to album and robs solo material has always been more pop. Now let's discuss rob's choice of direction with this album. Rob has said in interviews and he seems like an artist that goes into the studio and makes the music he wants to make. Having said that, does he still care a little about success? Does he still care about what fans think? Of course he does but I believe he does at a certain extent. He's at a point in his career where he's had so much success that it doesn't really matter if this album bombs or not. He's solidified himself as an extremely successful musician. He's also not the type of artist that sits in the studio and says; "ok, time to make a song that sounds like our first record. Ok, time to make a song like this that everyone will like." No, he's a very inspirational driven musician. Anyways, after all that babbling, these are just my opinions and I respect everyone else's here too. Here's to the second single carrying this album and the second half of the album (that we haven't heard) being great. Either way, I'm already more than fine with this record. It's provided me with at least 2 songs that are now some of my favorites from Rob. (Hold on forever and The great unknown)
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Post by Rumors on Aug 15, 2015 12:39:40 GMT -5
First - they are moving on to a second single. I liked Trust You but it didn't click with people. It happens. The world isn't going to end because this wasn't a hit. I really don't know if I hear a smash hit on the album and that's ok.
No brakes - Give the album one listen and if you aren't feeling it then don't buy it and don't worry about it. Maybe Rob's next album will be more toward your liking.
I'm listening to the album on iheart radio right now. I love it. Best Rob solo album for me so far. This album is for lover's of pop music with modern (enhanced if you will) vocals and modern production. If you hate that type of thing, then probably don't even bother listening to it. Good luck!
My feeling is that at the end of the day Rob likes writing pop music and he may actually think he is a better pop writer than rock writer. MB20's rock song Feel is one of my least favorite songs from them.
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Post by Rumors on Aug 15, 2015 12:43:02 GMT -5
By the way, I love the video for Trust You. You make it sound like Rob should be using a cane in any video in the future. LOL! Seriously, what's wrong with it. Rob's a good looking 43 year old guy that can do a little wiggle here and there. More power to him!!!
Edit - In all fairness, I think the age of the viewer may influence how you view this video. A young viewer may think Rob's a little old to be dancing. I just think Rob came up with the retro feel and Phil added the dancers and Rob was up for it. Rob doesn't come across as a guy who gives two hoots about coming off as kind of goofy because I think he is. It's part of his appeal actually. I think your take has been a 43 year old guy trying to look 23 just to sell some records.
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Post by No Brake$ on Aug 16, 2015 10:09:38 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I look forward to hearing the album even though it is pop leaning. It sounds like The Great Unknown and Pieces are great cuts.
I'm all for and think it's possible for Hold On Forever to explode and that Trust You was more or less a buzz single. Wouldn't be surprised for Trust You to be a "disease" to Hold On Forever being his "unwell", chart wise, as I am noticing a lot of similarities to the pre-album backlash as back then.
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Aug 24, 2015 13:12:52 GMT -5
This is Rob Thomas' first solo hit to miss the top 10 at HAC. In fact, it's his first solo hit to miss the top 5.
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Post by No Brake$ on Aug 27, 2015 23:11:14 GMT -5
Bullet might be -1000 tomorrow, I don't think I have ever seen that on the Hot AC chart before in my life. This was definitely payola'do to this format prior to album release and proves how BAD this was as a single choice. So disappointing and I'll never understand it, I just wish people would admit it.mthis comes from a big RT fan.
Just terrible.
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