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Post by surfy on Jun 10, 2015 14:11:01 GMT -5
Hey you guys. I'm at a camp until Saturday. I'm lucky I even got service atm so idk how I'm gonna be able to play actively this week.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 10, 2015 14:34:41 GMT -5
Good point, I guess. Trying to peg something that isn't there on someone else is something, but being aggressive in wanting the proper game to start sooner isn't really beneficial to scum. So... you didn't really think it through. Kind of convenient you hopped on it as soon as Drag dropped it to. Gonna have to FoS this. Well, I had thought of it before drag mentioned anything - not that it matters since I didn't post it until after drag did anyway. The aggressiveness was something that jumped at me from the beginning but I figured Libra was just eager to get the game actually started but then when I saw him jump at the popstop angle, it made me wonder if he was grasping at something just to have something.
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Post by Libra on Jun 10, 2015 15:46:35 GMT -5
I've taken a more comprehensive look at popstop. Anything that doesn't go beyond RVS activity (largely confined to before Page 4) isn't included. Page 2 Muses about possibility of Independent (though he would be the one to bring it up, given his Indie victory in Snowtrapped Mafia last year). HereCloses the page by answering Mikey's question of what a follower is. HerePage 3 His character backstory, since I keep referencing it. HerePage 5 Answers Drag's questions (the sixth to do so not counting Drag), and votes for Daryl due to Daryl's fly-by vote of Kunt. HereResponds to Daryl's response to his vote, pointing out that it'd be nice to move on from RVS. HereIsn't sure it's really that helpful to determine percentages, but recommends erring on the side of caution in doing so - not impossible that we have 4 scum (though would be surprising), or if there is an Independent, may not have power to kill because two night-kills wouldn't make sense with group this small. Also discourages dwelling too much on this - it's easy conversation for scum to jump into because they can participate without taking stand on anything/anyone. HereExpresses annoyance at my voting him, and points out that he's commented several times in addition to answering Drag's questions, as well as that some have yet to even answer. HereThis doesn't really add up to a strong scum read, IMO. Not to say it's proof dis-positive, but I don't think it's a strong enough case for him being scum, on its own. I also like that he discouraged dwelling on what would've been a not-particularly-fruitful conversation over the setup. (Even if it was right before I voted for him... ) Unvote: popstopGoing to take a harder look at the rest of us, while I can (I.E. before this game gets too many pages to do that effectively).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 16:21:10 GMT -5
My opinions on all the players so far:
1) cynthiarising - well duh I'm perfect even in my insanity
2) Daryl - is a new player and more or less playing like one. That isn't saying much but for now I'd lean a bit toward thinking he is town, as it seems there is no one really 'coaching' him to do better.
3) Drag - made an effort to get the ball rolling on non-RVS play, seems to be a real attempt at being useful and not a superficial, scum-like attempt to simply appear so. Feeling town so far.
4) Green Baron - Not much to go on based on the comments he has made. Null read.
5) josh - actually hasn't said that much despite his post count - most of those posts were spent reiterating that he's Not Jesus, lol. But as Kunt pointed out, his answers to Drag's questions did feel 'distinct,' for lack of a better word. Short but didn't feel like he was making shit up just for the sake of getting by. For now I am leaning town with maybe not as much time to play/put thought into it as some others have. Opinion subject to change.
6) Kunt - with Libra, by far the most active player so far (almost 2x as many posts as the next four players behind them). Is definitely into the game and getting the ball rolling with analysis and questioning people's motives. One of the better mafia players, so if he is scum he's dangerous as fuck, but at the same time he is also one that we really can't and shouldn't ever get rid of on day 1, because if he is town he is so useful. Leaning town atm.
7) Libra - even though he is posting and contributing as much as Kunt, something feels off here; but I can't put my finger on what it is. I don't think I've ever played a game with him before - not that we're supposed to rely on how someone played in a game previously, but because I don't really know his "style" I'm hesitant as to how to regard his aggressiveness. He's jumping on little things (for example, thinking popstop spent too much time coming up with that tale of the go-go club) but is that just him having a knee-jerk reaction? It's day 1 so honestly what more can we expect? The suspicion has to start somewhere and in fact that's the very thing I said we should be doing on day 1 rather than zooming in on inactivity...but I just cannot commit to believing he is town. FOS based purely on the 'something's not right' instinct, but admittedly nothing more.
8) mike (Max) - has posted regularly, but unlike Drag, his posts feel more hollow for some reason. In fairness it kind of sucks when someone poses three straightforward questions and all of the decent answers have been given before you get to them, but...I don't know. FOS with the caveat that he needs to find the opportunity to take an original stance of his own so that his thoughts will not seem as if he's just piggybacking or relying on other players to carry the conversation.
9) Mikey - has said very little so far. Like Daryl, is new to this, but for some reason I feel a little more null about Mikey.
10) popstop - admittedly his goofy story post is longer than his other posts. I don't think that in itself indicates anything though, and he said himself that he wasn't sure he'd be able to post much between then and Sunday so I think it was just an idea that came to him while he had some down time. Pop is a lot like Kunt in that I know he's a good player, so even when he feels town to me (which at the moment, he does) I should probably actually be saying null.
11) S L U T (Surfboardt!) - and this one time, at band camp... obviously nothing to work with here, but with good reason, so null read.
12) Zebra. - has also not said much at all; however when answering Drag's questions he did say this - "lack of activity could be a last resort." Ironically this is basically him saying "well if you HAD to I guess you guys could vote me out." Surely a scum player who's the second-least active poster in the game so far would not suggest this. This seems more like a town player gaffe.
Vote: Max as his is the strongest of any suspicions I have at the moment. As a side note Surf's post was the last thing I saw before re-reading the thread and typing this up as I went along, so any posts after that have not been taken into account in my analysis.
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 10, 2015 17:43:12 GMT -5
I have a few questions for everyone to answer: 1. If we are near deadline, what should be a deciding vote factor (ie. lack of activity, deception, etc.)? 2. How do you feel about using a deadline and when do you think it should be necessary 3. Since we are still in RVS, what should we as a group do to progress into the game?1. Lack of activity is an absolutely crappy way of deciding who gets the noose on Day 1, but it's almost always that case. Barring any obvious scum signals, there's absolutely nothing to work with with all the RVS, and even when RVS ends, there's still insufficient evidence. I don't like going with lack of activity for the day 1 lynch, but if it leads us to more clues, then I'm all for it. I do think we should be looking a bit more closer in case some people are dropping scum signs, but we're not at that point yet. Bar a few lengthy posts, there's really not much to analyze, and even when analyzing them, the reads are null at best. 2. I feel like the deadline should be the deadline. I'm not a fan of extensions, mostly because if we couldn't find a good reason to hang someone within the given timeframe, we're most likely not going to find a good reason given an extension. As the deadline nears, we will have to decide who to lynch based on whatever we have, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Ultimately, I think we should decide by the deadline. 3. Well, get out of RVS obviously. We're already starting to look deeper into what people are saying and encouraging discussion, which is good. I think that it's a good thing if people are questioned, because then they get to defend themselves and we can all see their points of view and use that to determine whether or not they lean scum or town. I think it would also be beneficial if we all were to list who we currently are FOSing, as this will hopefully give us more information to work with. Anyways, I'm out for the night. Got to study for the multiple choice portion of my Global History final tomorrow. 75 questions in 43 minutes is a daunting task, especially when I have to take the AP version just for being in the Honors class. Also RIP Andrew Miller
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Post by Libra on Jun 10, 2015 17:56:14 GMT -5
And...here we go. :) As with popstop, nothing that is confined to RVS activity is included. LIBRAHi. :) KUNTPage 3 Asks that everyone flavor claim, and muses that Drag being Jesus but everyone else having seemingly normal flavors is kind of weird. Asks Az if scum have safe claims. HereWho reads the OP HerePage 4 Repeats request for flavor claim. HereClarify: Not that they have to do with anything, but still good to know. Suggests not just buying Drag's and josh's claims - thinks at least one could be fake, but not both (too obvious). Or both could be real. HereNot saying we should base anything on flavor yet, just brought it up for discussion's sake lol. HereVotes Surf, until he says something. HereAnswers Drag's questions (the first other player to do so). Mentions Drag, Cynthia, and me as town-ish based on a couple of things said, even in RVS. Or is he falling victim to activity = innocence fallacy? Also rules out Surf because scum wouldn't just blindly not show up by now. HereNevermind about Surf. Didn't know he was at camp. Randomly votes Zebra. HerePage 5 Likes what popstop said about pushing discussion forward being good indicator. Doesn't like aggressive Daryl vote. Doesn't think I'm onto anything with pointing out popstop's effort in answering questions - what's more interesting is that his answers lined up with basically everyone's. Says josh gave brief answers too, but his seem distinct by comparison. Thinking 30% is preferred scum percentage, but better to assume lower, so 25% for this - and hoping there's no Indie. Votes Mikey to have vote on someone, and his Drag answers were pretty cut and paste. FOS Green Baron for not having answered Drag or flavor claimed by now. Here(Reply to Drag and mike) Thought the same thing about me, but we only have a day and a half left, and being pushy is best way to get answers. Thinks I'm off base too, but doesn't think it's anything suspicious per se. Back and forth between me/popstop could lead to other statements (such as quoted). Can't figure out why I'd have motivation as scum to be so aggressive D1 - would either care to explain? HereSo...mike/Max didn't really think his point through. Kind of convenient that he hopped on as soon as Drag dropped that - FOS, then votes him in the post after this. Here DRAGPage 2 Points out that we're in RVS (calling it Random Voting Stage. I thought we called it Scattering instead of Stage, but whatever), and also was the first to bring up that Surf was at camp this week. HerePage 4 Points out that flavors did give clues in some games but relying solely those isn't a wise idea. HerePoses his three questions, which he answers in the same post. HereWhen asked by Kunt if he hoped to gain anything specific out of this set of questions, he replies that he thought that they were "good starting point questions at common issues this early in the game". Also mentions having another reasoning that he'd rather share later on. HereFollows this up by asking players to please answer the questions within the next 24 hours (about 5 hours to go as of this posting). He says, more responses = better for town in his opinion. Reason for 24 hours is it'd be preferable if we had additional 24 hours after everyone has participated to determine who would be best to vote out. Here(BTW: Among active people, only Daryl has yet to answer.) Page 5 Asks Zebra to answer his questions, claiming that he and Surf were the only 2 who hadn't yet. Also reveals his additional reasoning for asking his questions, now that the majority have answered: Now we have people taking stances on different issues. States that if stances change throughout game it could be scum tell, so he purposely chose questions to make everyone actually comment. Keeping vote on Zebra until we hear from him. HereOops, missed Zebra's answers - Unvotes him. (He has yet to put his vote on anyone as of this typing.) He's not a morning person. Says the only thing really standing out for him right now is my scuffle with popstop. Not sure if I was reaching a bit with reasoning, so FOS me. HereAnswer's Mikey's "what's FOS?" question. Here MIKE/MAXPage 4 Seems to muse about flavors, though it's all stricken-through. Mostly RVS post outside of flavor claim TBQH. HerePage 5 Answers Drag's questions (seventh other to do so). Thinks 33% is typical percentage for scum. HereComments that my play has been a bit strange to him - forgets what I'm usually like but I seem too eager. Definitely FOS on me. HereReplies to Kunt: Good point. Trying to peg something that isn't there is something, but being aggressive in wanting proper game to start sooner isn't beneficial to scum. HerePage 6, above. Says he thought of his point before Drag mentioned it - not that it matters now. My aggressiveness jumped at him from the beginning, but then figured I was just eager to get game going, but then wondered if I was just grasping at popstop angle just to have something.
CYNTHIA Page 5 Answers Drag's questions (fifth other player to do so). Advises caution on looking for connections - they're relevant, and sometimes scum slip up and link themselves too closely, but also: look out for "one way streets". Scum will sometimes purposely try to "create" connections with different town players (for two reasons). Also ponders what scum percentage could be. pulsemusic.proboards.com/post/5253708/threadPage 6, right above this. Player analysis. Summary: Town - Daryl, Drag, josh, Kunt; Null - Green Baron, Mikey; FOS - me, mike/Max. Subject to change with josh though. popstop and Zebra were unclear - I think she's leaning null on popstop, and maybe town lean on Zebra. Votes mike/Max due to that being her strongest suspicion at the moment. NOTE: Surf's was last post she saw before typing. MIKEYPage 2 Asks what bandwagoning means. HerePage 5 Answers Drag's questions (eighth, and currently last, other to do so). Also states "Answering deep and thorough questions like this isn't my forte". HereAsks what FOS is. HereDARYLPage 2 Wonders if he could vote again. HerePage 5 Fly-by votes Kunt (that is, his post consists solely of voting for him, without even a reason). HereResponding to popstop's voting him, gives devoid-of-substance reason for his vote, and asks what RVS is. Here JOSHPage 3: Answers Kunt's question with OP quote. HerePage 4 Answers Drag's questions (fourth other player to do so). Here ZEBRAPage 2 Mentions Surf being at camp, hoping he shows up before deadline. HerePage 4 Answers Drag's questions (second other player to do so). Here GREEN BARONPage 5 Flavor claims, and mentions that he won't be as active due to finals and Regents (which he links to). HereSays he'll try answering Drag's questions when out of class. HerePage 6, above. Answers Drag's questions, and mentions he'll be out for the night. SURFWell...he's been at camp. (FWIW, here's a post from this past weekend where he mentioned it.) But he did manage to stop in for a hot minute - top of the page. :)
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Post by Libra on Jun 10, 2015 17:58:39 GMT -5
Oh yeah I meant to fill mine out. Page 1 Requests clarification on Rule #8 - is the only way for a Day to end in a No Lynch by that option reaching majority (or fulfilling that rule's own condition)? [ANSWER, BTW: Yes.] Also advises never going the No Lynch route, and for newbies to read the Spoiler text in the OP Here, HerePage 2 Notes that it might complicate the game a bit if Surf is Town and if what Drag says is true: That he's at camp and that he might not post before deadline. HereSays it would increase the need to have a valid lynch target other than Surf for D1 - we have a chance to learn something from this lynch if it's not Surf and he doesn't appear during D1. Otherwise, we go into D2 arguably worse because we'll have learned basically nothing - unless Surf flipped scum, in which case we're better for one less scum. HerePage 3 Answers Mikey's question on bandwagoning, with an example of not bandwagoning. I also wonder why only me and Drag had flavor-claimed so far. HerePage 4 Unvotes josh, with suggestion that we ought to start transitioning to serious gameplay. HerePoints out caveat in Kunt's voting Surf. HereAnswers Drag's questions (the third other player to do so). Also strongly discourages letting the game fall into "activity limbo" where no one's doing anything because scum will use this as cover. Also says it'd be very beneficial for us to start taking notes on game activity - you never know when you may need to refer to a specific event, and start note-taking now before game gets too many pages. HerePage 5 Expresses doubt over 4 scum or two 2-scum teams; both unbalanced against Town. Indie? Not sure...only one other game with as few as 12 had Indie; that had 9 Town-2 Mafia-1 Indie. 3 scum does seem most reasonable. HereVotes popstop - effort in backstory, versus not so much in answering Drag, rubbed the wrong way. Do agree with point in voting Daryl though. HereAnd, my comprehensive on popstop, along with Un-voting him, is above on this page.
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Post by josh on Jun 10, 2015 18:21:02 GMT -5
@mod: new vote count please?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 18:36:39 GMT -5
Libra's posts feel like they are mere summaries of everything that has happened since the game started with no stances on individual players. For that reason I have to: Vote: Libra
I feel like I haven't looked at a few players (Daryl, Mikey) enough, I'm going to do that now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 18:43:02 GMT -5
I have to agree with Drag. The summaries don't do much if a proper analysis isn't paired with them. You're not really making claims, there. Still not sure I understand the point about you being overly aggressive, but that brings me to Cynthia's post... which, although she makes a lot of loose claims, doesn't have a lot of substance either. I don't think there's an opinion in it that hasn't already been voiced.
Question for Cynthia: why Max over Libra? Not that I disagree with the vote itself neccissarily, but between the two I want to understand why you went with him over Libra (of which your suspicions of seem to be the same as Drag and, lol, Max).
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Post by Libra on Jun 10, 2015 18:53:22 GMT -5
This post, in particular, I find very strange: Libra's play so far has been strange a bit to me. I forget really what he's usually like but he seems too eager. Too eager to get the game moving (albeit reasonable - he was pushing from near the very beginning). Too eager in his recent vote with popstop. I thought it was obvious that pop made up that scenario for fun and probably spent more time than he intended writing it. So definitely FOS on Libra. LOL. I've played all of ONE full game before this (not counting the disastrous bastard game from last year). How on earth could I have developed a playing style to the point of having a basis for comparing how I'm playing now to "how I usually play"?
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 10, 2015 18:57:41 GMT -5
Oh god, I shouldn't even be here. I'm not even a cop, or a reporter, or anyone with any business here - I just snuck in to try and see for myself what was happening, for my own curiosity's sake. But now I've been trapped in this wing of the asylum alongside all the misfits. They haven't realized I'm here yet but I don't know how long I can keep hidden. I can hear them arguing amongst themselves, nobody seems to have a clue why they're being kept here.
But the accusations. Paranoia isn't contagious, is it? 'Cause I'm really starting to feel it. I shouldn't even be here. I shouldn't! Oh s**t, I heard something. Is it one of them?! Stay hidden, stay hidden, maybe they won't find me...Day 1 ContinuesDeadline has been set for 06.11.2015 11:59PM EDTIt takes 7/12 votes to lynch! Day One: Vote Count 3Daryl: Popstop Kunt: Daryl Libra: Josh, Mikey, Drag Mike: Kunt, Cynthia Popstop: Mike, Zebra Zebra: Baron Not Voting: Surfboardt, Libra
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 19:04:10 GMT -5
@mod: not to be a dick but Libra unvoted popstop and cynthia is voting for Max, not Baron.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 10, 2015 19:31:56 GMT -5
#MOD: Shut up.
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Post by josh on Jun 10, 2015 19:38:39 GMT -5
I'm going to keep my vote on Libra for now. On the one hand some of his thinking doesn't sit quite right with me, but on the other hand he seems to be putting more effort into things than most other players, although some is a bit lacking in analysis, just summarizing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 20:40:57 GMT -5
@libra good grief why must everyone be named mike! Libra As if the other two are not enough it's in your tag name. Anyway, sorry for the confusion on how I'm feeling with Zebra and pop. I am leaning town on Zebra, and I'm sort of leaning town on popstop but he's a good enough player that I am not totally committed to that thought. @touch I voted for Max because I felt my suspicion of him was a little more concrete. i.e. "I am suspicious of Max because his posts haven't had much substance to them and/or piggyback on other people's thoughts, and feel like they are an attempt at appearing to contribute without actually contributing." With Libra it was more "I have this feeling..." but then when I actually started analyzing his posts, what I saw didn't quite line up with said feeling. If the vote ended up going in Libra's direction I'd drop the hammer, but given the choice I think it makes a little more sense to leave my vote on the one I have given a specific reason to suspect. I'm trying to figure out what to make of Mike/Max FOS'ing Libra for one hot second, then dropped it as soon as you (Kunt) questioned him about it. I need to think that one through a bit more.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 20:50:31 GMT -5
I noticed that many of Daryl the Beryl and Mikey's posts were mostly prior to my question post. Since we are now out of RVS and with less than 24 hours until deadline, who do the 2 of you feel is most likely scum and why?
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Post by Zeebz on Jun 10, 2015 21:06:54 GMT -5
Sorry for my lack of posting, it's been a crazy day. I'll try to review everything and collect my thoughts by tonight, but for now let me do this:
Unvote: Popstop since RVS has been over.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:07:25 GMT -5
Mike FOS'ed Libra, immediately retreated. Libra has expressed no opinion on Mike thus far. Well for that matter I don't think he's expressed much of an opinion on anyone other than popstop, and he has since backed off that idea at the moment. So ok, that would make my FOS on Libra more concrete; I don't mind his summarizing posts because they'll serve as a sort of footnote for later game play, but he needs to do more than just summarize. He needs to express an actual opinion on others.
Mike's vote remains on popstop. ------- Trying to weigh Mike and Libra against each other here.
- If we lynch Mike and Mike flips town, this indicates nothing. We'll likely remain suspicious of Libra, along with anyone who strongly pushed for Mike's vote. - If we lynch Mike and Mike flips scum, this might indicate two scum players' attempts to distance themselves from each other without putting either in danger. - If we lynch Libra and Libra flips town, this indicates nothing. We'd remain suspicious of Mike, as well as anyone who strongly pushed for Libra's vote. If we lynch Libra and Libra flips scum, we'd remain suspicious of Mike because that could have been a scum attempt to distance themselves from each other. This would also possibly indicate that pop is not scum (or at least not in the "disturbed" faction - will not eliminate the possibility of an indie), because I don't think anyone would want to put so much negative focus on one of his teammates on Day 1.
So, hmm. I'm still just the slightest bit more suspicious of Max but we might actually gain a bit more knowledge from lynching Libra? (Of course this is assuming the best case scenario which is that both are scum and we just need to decide who to target. Worst case scenario is that both are town and we're not on the right track at all, but it would be up to both of them to convince the rest of us of that.)
It's clear that at the moment our overall suspicion lies most with these two, but does anyone have another player they'd like to weigh in on?
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Post by Libra on Jun 10, 2015 21:07:51 GMT -5
This took longer than I thought it would. Cynthia - Town. A bit odd that her only two non-RVS posts thus far have been word walls, but maybe that's just me. (You're correct, BTW - we haven't played in a game together before this.) Still, the points she makes in her answers to Drag's questions are ones that it doesn't seem like scum would even want to bring up. popstop - More of a Town lean, now. Looking at his Drag answers more closely, he cautions against people agreeing with others while not adding anything themselves, and refers to a past scum strategy that he used. He's also not sure it's helpful to determine scum/town percentages, and cautioned against keeping that conversation going so as not to give scum something to jump in on. Would he say/do these things if he were scum now? I'm skeptical. Kunt - Town. Pushing the game along. He asked Drag what he hoped to gain out of his set of questions, and questioned both Drag and mike/Max why I'd have motivation to be so aggressive D1 if I were scum - these seem to employ a healthy dose of skepticism. Mikey - Leaning newbie Town for now. His two questions are ones he could have easily asked in a scum QuickTopic (which they use to communicate strategy amongst each other). Maybe he wouldn't have thought of that as newbie Scum, but he asked about bandwagoning and FOS right after each was brought up. That...doesn't point to newbie Scum, IMO. Zebra - slight Town read. He mentions lack of activity being a last resort in voting, being wary of losing a Town member that way. He also mentioned hoping Surf would show before the deadline - Scum would be totally OK with him not showing (though it's a moot point now). Daryl - Null, for now. Has also asked basic questions - but I dunno. He asked what RVS was three pages after Drag mentioned what it was, and also is the only one besides Surf who hasn't answered Drag's questions thus far (as of this typing). Nothing points to Scum...but nothing points to Town, either. josh - Null, for now. He hasn't been active enough to point strongly either way, but given his health issues, his lower activity is understandable. :( Green Baron - Null, for now. His answers to Drag show the most effort from him thus far, easily - though given his stated reason of finals and Regents, he may not be able to help that. He did suggest that we all list who we're currently FOSing, which isn't a bad idea. Surf - Null, obv. mike/Max - FOS. I'm not sure what to make of his answers to Drag, but as I mentioned above, his reasons for FOSing me were really strange - he seemed to think of me as a regular player, when I've only played one full game before this. Then when questioned by Kunt about it, he seemed to retreat from this point rather easily. Lastly, he talks about wondering if I was just grasping at the popstop angle just to have something. One might say he's doing that very thing with regards to my gameplay, no? Drag - Probably the strongest Scum read thus far. While he did stimulate discussion with his three questions, he did so in a way that lets him control said discussion, as demonstrated so: -When Kunt asks if he hopes to gain anything out of the answers, he replies that he thought that they were "good starting point questions at common issues this early in the game", which strikes me as vague and a way to look Town. -He follows that up with asking players to please answer questions within 24 hours. Why 24 hours? His exact words: "I say 24 hours since it'd be preferable if we had an additional 24 hours after everyone has participated to determine who would be the best individual to vote out." Anyone else find that an odd way of putting it? Then, this morning there was something that I find really inconsistent. He asks Zebra to answer his questions, having missed that Zebra already did, and claiming that Zebra and Surf were the only two who hadn't yet. This wasn't true: Surf, Green Baron, and Daryl were the ones who'd yet to answer. He attempts to deflect, saying he's not a morning person. Understandable...but, how is it that he'd gaffe on Zebra like that, and in the same gaffe post, recall his "other reasoning for asking his questions" from the night before? Those two things, put together, do not sit well IMO. For that matter, his third question did refer to the game as still being in RVS - not that it was absolutely untrue, but wording the question as "Since we are still in RVS, what should we as a group do to progress into the game?" struck me as kind of arbitrary. Vote: Drag because his suspicion comes from a larger pattern of Scum-play rather than being based on a single event.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 21:20:48 GMT -5
He attempts to deflect, saying he's not a morning person. Understandable...but, how is it that he'd gaffe on Zebra like that, and in the same gaffe post, recall his "other reasoning for asking his questions" from the night before? Those two things, put together, do not sit well IMO. For that matter, his third question did refer to the game as still being in RVS - not that it was absolutely untrue, but wording the question as "Since we are still in RVS, what should we as a group do to progress into the game?" struck me as kind of arbitrary. Vote: Drag because his suspicion comes from a larger pattern of Scum-play rather than being based on a single event. I actually had my vote on Zebra for a random voting stage vote previously and after realizing my mistake this morning when I missed his post, I said my mistake and moved on. I honestly feel like you're reaching again after I called you out for not including any actual analysis and I feel like this vote against me is a bit of an OMGUS. For that reason, I'm keeping my vote on you Libra.
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Green Baron
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Post by Green Baron on Jun 10, 2015 22:00:29 GMT -5
Alright, I'm going to bed now, but before I do so, I'd like to say a few things. I don't have time to do an analysis of every player, I'll do that tomorrow when I'm less tired and more focused.
A few things:
1. Can we just agree to refer to Libra as Libra, mike as Max and Mikey as Mikey for this game. It makes everything a lot easier and less confusing.
2. The newbies like Mikey and Daryl have barely posted anything sufficient, however, if I recall correctly Mikey is from Indonesia and Daryl is from Singapore, so they're both ~13 hours ahead of Eastern. Aside from that though, I am monitoring both of them to see how they act in the coming days. If Mafia is made up of one experienced member and one newbie, the newbie could get his guidance from the experienced member, however, I will not say anymore in case it jeopardizes my observations.
3. I said earlier it would probably be a good idea for everyone to list our FOS. I still think we should do so, although I'll most likely have to read through everyone's posts. Before I do so. Unvote: whoever I was voting for, might have been Zebra or Cynthia or someone who cares it was RVS bullshit anyways. Right now, Libra stands out to me as the most suspicious. He is very active in the thread, but the main thing about him that stands out to me is the fact that all of his big posts revolve mainly around simply retelling the actions of players without any sort of real analysis to them. It's easy to just copy and paste the details of what happened, but since all of his big posts seem to have no real meat to them, it seems rather void. He also seems to be a bit hyper and ready for the game to move faster than it should, which suggests scum who are trying to lynch a townie quickly. Overanalyzes some things, like popstop's joke and the opinion that Drag's questions are constructed in a way that let him control all of the discussion. Then again, this is his 2nd? game as he said earlier, so it could be inexperience, but what he's done so far is enough for me to FOS him. Vote: Libra, but I will ISO tomorrow hopefully and analyze more by each player.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 22:14:55 GMT -5
Libra, I think you may need to go back and examine your evidence without confirmation bias because I didn't follow that. To be honest, it seems like you're deflecting attention yourself here. Or trying, rather. Dunno what to make of you completely ignoring Max-- granted, if you were trying to deflect he'd be the easier target right now. Something isn't sitting right with me either, though; starting to rethink my stance on your alignment.
I don't know if I agree with Cynthia on lynching Libra being somehow informative based on a hypothetical confirmed #townstop. As you said, Cynthia, it could just as easily be a scum attempt at distancing (given the arbitrary reasoning, this would almost be plausible). So... Actually, I guess it would if we actually want to look at popstop more? Assuming he would flip scum-- if he flips town then it's back to Max. Either way, I vaguely remember something popstop said raising a flag but I can't remember what.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 22:16:01 GMT -5
Oh, nevermind, you did gives read on Max. The mike/Max threw me off.
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Mikey
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Post by Mikey on Jun 10, 2015 23:14:13 GMT -5
So sorry for my lack of activity :( Still trying to understand all of this.
anyway, i find it weird that Libra is the only one who had some suspicion through Drag. I feel like he is trying to accuse him as scum, despite from what i saw, Drag is so townie. That's such a scum move
As a consequence, i'm keeping my vote on Libra.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 10, 2015 23:52:28 GMT -5
This post, in particular, I find very strange: Libra's play so far has been strange a bit to me. I forget really what he's usually like but he seems too eager. Too eager to get the game moving (albeit reasonable - he was pushing from near the very beginning). Too eager in his recent vote with popstop. I thought it was obvious that pop made up that scenario for fun and probably spent more time than he intended writing it. So definitely FOS on Libra. LOL. I've played all of ONE full game before this (not counting the disastrous bastard game from last year). How on earth could I have developed a playing style to the point of having a basis for comparing how I'm playing now to "how I usually play"? Not really that strange. I don't keep track of who plays what and with it being almost a year since we last played, I don't really remember most people's method of gameplay so I wasn't completely sure whether you had a distinct style that others might remember whereas I didn't. I'm trying to figure out what to make of Mike/Max FOS'ing Libra for one hot second, then dropped it as soon as you (Kunt) questioned him about it. I need to think that one through a bit more. I wouldn't go as far as to say I dropped out. Kunt's point about someone being eager in the beginning just made sense. I'm used to people having the RVS stage in their systems first and Libra was eager to get the game proper started. Anything out of the ordinary that catches my eye will catch my eye and that, to me, was out of the ordinary. I'd still say Libra is my primary suspect now. Beyond his accusation of popstop, his explanations and observations still read as trying to compensate for something. He latched on to what Cynthia said above about me "retreating" from my accusation of him after Cynthia said it, and he's drawing attention to things Drag said that seem, to me, to be nonsense, like missing Zebra's reply to his questions. On that note, however, Libra does bring up a good point about Drag and his questions as "a way that lets him control said discussion." It's definitely worth considering. Also @mod: can we get a vote count?
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Az Paynter
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 11, 2015 9:59:00 GMT -5
#MOD: This is your 13 hour warning; 13 hours remain until deadline! I was an hour off shut up
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 11, 2015 10:07:26 GMT -5
I can hear the fighting going on right now. Insane troll logic flying left and right... I guess it's to be expected from crazy people though, their grip on reality is a little bit lax. At any rate a few of them are ganging up on that girl, the one who thinks she's Marie Antoinette or something. How ironic would it be if she lost her head, considering... no, I shouldn't think like that. It's a real person with real problems.
This place is getting to me. Hopefully I can get out of here soon...Day 1 ContinuesDeadline has been set for 06.11.2015 11:59PM EDTIt takes 7/12 votes to lynch! Day One: Vote Count 4Daryl: Popstop Drag: Libra Kunt: Daryl Libra: Josh, Mikey, Drag, Baron Mike: Kunt, Cynthia Popstop: Mike Not Voting: Surfboardt, Zebra
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jun 11, 2015 10:20:36 GMT -5
Just moving my vote over vote: Libra
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Libra
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Post by Libra on Jun 11, 2015 12:13:27 GMT -5
Ugh. Well, this sucks. :( Scum doesn't even need the additional two votes, because even if no more votes change before the deadline, I'm still lynched. Instead, what they would need is for the wagon to not switch now - granted, the wagon could just switch to another incorrect target, but keeping things as they are now would guarantee the mis-lynch for D1.
Think about why I'd draw this much attention to my own pending demise if I were in fact scum...why on earth would a scum team willingly agree to serve up a sacrificial lamb on D1? I was part of a scum team that did use the sacrifice strategy in God [redacted], but that was D2. (And, FWIW, me, Zebra, and nick received a ridiculous stroke of luck courtesy of the unnecessarily speedy D3 Sean lynch, which none of us were a part of.)
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