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Post by zjames on Jun 22, 2016 20:53:59 GMT -5
Am I the only one that thinks "Hungover on Heartache" sounds the most radio friendly? That seems pretty easy going and unoffensive, but it also happens to be my favorite on the whole album. "Untamed" is pretty good as well but that might be too country sounding. If I were in charge, I would have released "Hungover On Heartache" after "Burning House".
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Post by carriekins on Jun 22, 2016 21:05:21 GMT -5
Am I the only one that thinks "Hungover on Heartache" sounds the most radio friendly? That seems pretty easy going and unoffensive, but it also happens to be my favorite on the whole album. "Untamed" is pretty good as well but that might be too country sounding. If I were in charge, I would have released "Hungover On Heartache" after "Burning House". Not alone! Definitely another great option!!!
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Post by tim on Jun 22, 2016 21:42:36 GMT -5
If I were in charge, I would have released "Hungover On Heartache" after "Burning House". Not alone! Definitely another great option!!! Completely agree! This remains one of my most listened to albums of the year and although I really like "Mayday" it was not what I thought they would choose to follow-up "Burning House" with. Something more uptempo would've been my choice, such as "Half Broke Heart" or "Want It All." I'm not sure where they go from here with the next single and I just hope "Mayday" didn't slow down her momentum for this album because there really are lots of options to pick from. I still would like to see "Village" get released, but that's looking very unlikely right now.
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Post by maine on Jun 22, 2016 22:20:54 GMT -5
I personally would have followed "Burning House" up with a re-release of "My Mistake". This would have worked better following an uptempo rather than a ballad.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jun 23, 2016 8:48:04 GMT -5
While I enjoy "My Mistake", I don't believe Cam has the momentum to re-release it and it to do much better than it did the first time. Maybe if it was re-released after "Burning House", but I think at this point if radio was reluctant to play "Mayday", then they may also be reluctant to play a single that was released over a year ago. I'd go with "Half Broke Heart" personally, but I'm not quite sure that (or anything off this album) would do well following the unfortunate demise of "Mayday".
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Post by maine on Jun 23, 2016 8:58:06 GMT -5
Wasn't "My Mistake" cut short because of "Burning House" though?
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jun 23, 2016 9:03:10 GMT -5
Wasn't "My Mistake" cut short because of "Burning House" though? I don't quite remember, but I know it wasn't doing well regardless. Sony may have decided to pull MM after Bobby Bones got word out about "Burning House" and it started gaining buzz around it and they locked in the On The Verge deal for it. However, I still don't think radio would be as happy about getting a re-do single opposed to something they haven't been handed and passed on previously.
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Post by maine on Jun 23, 2016 9:05:20 GMT -5
Wasn't "My Mistake" cut short because of "Burning House" though? I don't quite remember, but I know it wasn't doing well regardless. Sony may have decided to pull MM after Bobby Bones got word out about "Burning House" and it started gaining buzz around it and they locked in the On The Verge deal for it. However, I still don't think radio would be as happy about getting a re-do single opposed to something they haven't been handed and passed on previously. It peaked at #52 and only took two months to peak. It wouldn't surprise me if "Burning House" basically killed it off. I didn't follow Cam (or the country charts for that matter) at the time, so this is just my guess.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 23, 2016 10:15:02 GMT -5
This one lost 85 spins today; label is indeed off it.
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Post by maine on Jun 23, 2016 10:32:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 11:00:04 GMT -5
I don't quite remember, but I know it wasn't doing well regardless. Sony may have decided to pull MM after Bobby Bones got word out about "Burning House" and it started gaining buzz around it and they locked in the On The Verge deal for it. However, I still don't think radio would be as happy about getting a re-do single opposed to something they haven't been handed and passed on previously. It peaked at #52 and only took two months to peak. It wouldn't surprise me if "Burning House" basically killed it off. I didn't follow Cam (or the country charts for that matter) at the time, so this is just my guess. "My Mistake" was on the chart for a full 16 weeks, though; "Burning House" definitely didn't kill it off. "My Mistake" spent its 16th and final chart week at #59 - this chart came out on Monday, June 1, 2015. "My Mistake" fell out of the top 60 the next week (June 8) and never returned. "My Mistake" peaked at #52 in its 7th week on the chart. Thereafter, it continued to bounce around mainly in the mid 50's. Bobby Bones first played "Burning House" on June 11. It's possible that Sony was considering it as a future single, but they only decided to release it after the reaction it got from The Bobby Bones show on June 11. "Burning House" skyrocketed up iTunes that day, and on June 15 Sony announced that "Burning House" would be going for adds on July 6. The next day, June 16, Bobby Bones announced that "Burning House" would be the next iHeartRadio 'On The Verge' song for country radio. So things happened very quickly for "Burning House", but they didn't get going until after "My Mistake" was done (and it was pretty apparent by mid May already that "My Mistake" wasn't gonna do anything).
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Post by maine on Jun 23, 2016 11:15:42 GMT -5
It peaked at #52 and only took two months to peak. It wouldn't surprise me if "Burning House" basically killed it off. I didn't follow Cam (or the country charts for that matter) at the time, so this is just my guess. "My Mistake" was on the chart for a full 16 weeks, though; "Burning House" definitely didn't kill it off. "My Mistake" spent its 16th and final chart week at #59 - this chart came out on Monday, June 1, 2015. "My Mistake" fell out of the top 60 the next week (June 8) and never returned. "My Mistake" peaked at #52 in its 7th week on the chart. Thereafter, it continued to bounce around mainly in the mid 50's. Bobby Bones first played "Burning House" on June 11. It's possible that Sony was considering it as a future single, but they only decided to release it after the reaction it got from The Bobby Bones show on June 11. "Burning House" skyrocketed up iTunes that day, and on June 15 Sony announced that "Burning House" would be going for adds on July 6. The next day, June 16, Bobby Bones announced that "Burning House" would be the next iHeartRadio 'On The Verge' song for country radio. So things happened very quickly for "Burning House", but they didn't get going until after "My Mistake" was done (and it was pretty apparent by mid May already that "My Mistake" wasn't gonna do anything). Hmm, good to know. I still want the re-release because now it's flying up my chart lol, but maybe "Half Broke Heart" is the way to go? I don't even know what would do well for her since this killed a lot of momentum. This just sucks all around.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 6:08:16 GMT -5
To be honest I'm not sure how much momentum she actually had. She was brand new (I basically consider BH her debut) and OnTheVerge/Bobby Bones helped tremendously. No way radio would have played that without those two factors.
That was kind of one of those "we're gonna play it because it's so popular" songs, much like "Girl Crush" or "Nobody to Blame". Radio didn't want to play either of those but they had to.
"Burning House" was able to make it up to the top because it didn't bring out radio's homophobia (GC) or give radio anxiety by making them release people don't need them anymore (NTB). And the fact that it was beautifully written helped (not that radio cares).
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Post by djHayStack on Jun 24, 2016 12:57:14 GMT -5
djHayStack is a radio program director and I take him saying this one is done as validity. He also said "Riser" was done before it was free-falling back in December. If the label is off of this it should start really showing within a few days. I didn't hear this one from the label, but from another programmer who has no reason to make it up. Said the label told him they were done with it. I never particularly cared for it, and am glad I stuck to my gut and never gave this stiff any spins. I'm anxious to hear where they go with her next. Haven't taken the time to listen to her stuff outside of the singles, but she's talented and we need females to make it, so I'm rooting for her. Then again, I've rooted for Kacey Musgraves for a long time, and we see where that's got her! ("Follow Your Arrow" was the first song to air on my station when we went on in November '13)
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Post by maine on Jun 25, 2016 0:39:13 GMT -5
djHayStack is a radio program director and I take him saying this one is done as validity. He also said "Riser" was done before it was free-falling back in December. If the label is off of this it should start really showing within a few days. I didn't hear this one from the label, but from another programmer who has no reason to make it up. Said the label told him they were done with it. I never particularly cared for it, and am glad I stuck to my gut and never gave this stiff any spins. I'm anxious to hear where they go with her next. Haven't taken the time to listen to her stuff outside of the singles, but she's talented and we need females to make it, so I'm rooting for her. Then again, I've rooted for Kacey Musgraves for a long time, and we see where that's got her! ("Follow Your Arrow" was the first song to air on my station when we went on in November '13) I'm sorry, but this seems unnecessarily rude.
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Post by someguy on Jun 25, 2016 8:18:43 GMT -5
It's too bad that this is done (and it definitely is, it lost over 100 spins today). I think it may have cost her a Female Vocalist nomination at the CMAs this year. We'll see though, but I imagine Maren Morris/Brandy Clark are in a better position to slip in to the top 5 over Cam now.
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Post by cufan7 on Jun 26, 2016 2:06:55 GMT -5
For some reason, "Burning House" never clicked with me. But "Mayday" is one of my favorite songs of the year and I have found the chorus to have been (pleasantly) stuck in my head for months. They really should go for a "My Mistake" re-release. That's another excellent song and I don't think enough people have heard it to prevent a re-release.
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Post by djHayStack on Jun 27, 2016 14:21:14 GMT -5
I didn't hear this one from the label, but from another programmer who has no reason to make it up. Said the label told him they were done with it. I never particularly cared for it, and am glad I stuck to my gut and never gave this stiff any spins. I'm anxious to hear where they go with her next. Haven't taken the time to listen to her stuff outside of the singles, but she's talented and we need females to make it, so I'm rooting for her. Then again, I've rooted for Kacey Musgraves for a long time, and we see where that's got her! ("Follow Your Arrow" was the first song to air on my station when we went on in November '13) I'm sorry, but this seems unnecessarily rude. I'm sorry if that statement offends you. It wasn't intended to do so, or be commentary on the song itself. It's simply me stating that my instincts led me to believe it would never sniff the top of the charts (which we call a stiff in radio). I don't want to play songs for my listeners that aren't hits, or aren't likely to become hits.
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Post by maine on Jun 27, 2016 14:26:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this seems unnecessarily rude. I'm sorry if that statement offends you. It wasn't intended to do so, or be commentary on the song itself. It's simply me stating that my instincts led me to believe it would never sniff the top of the charts (which we call a stiff in radio). I don't want to play songs for my listeners that aren't hits, or aren't likely to become hits. That was what I thought you were trying to mean, but a better choice of words would have been better.
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Post by djHayStack on Jun 27, 2016 14:38:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry if that statement offends you. It wasn't intended to do so, or be commentary on the song itself. It's simply me stating that my instincts led me to believe it would never sniff the top of the charts (which we call a stiff in radio). I don't want to play songs for my listeners that aren't hits, or aren't likely to become hits. That was what I thought you were trying to mean, but a better choice of words would have been better. "Stiff" is the term we use. Not sure there is a better choice of words.
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Post by maine on Jun 27, 2016 14:39:18 GMT -5
That was what I thought you were trying to mean, but a better choice of words would have been better. "Stiff" is the term we use. Not sure there is a better choice of words. That's not really common knowledge though.
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Post by ant on Jun 27, 2016 15:48:05 GMT -5
I think "Half Broke Heart" is her best shot at another hit off this album.
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Post by matty005 on Jun 27, 2016 15:57:31 GMT -5
I think "Half Broke Heart" is her best shot at another hit off this album. Me too. I am actually very disappointed in this album. As much I loved, "Burning House," and "Mayday," "Half Broke Heart is the only other song I like on the entire album after 3 full listens.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 27, 2016 16:08:19 GMT -5
That was what I thought you were trying to mean, but a better choice of words would have been better. "Stiff" is the term we use. Not sure there is a better choice of words. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm more offended by the idea that you were glad you didn't play the song because you (albeit, correctly) predicted it wouldn't be a big hit than by your terminology to describe it. The "I don't want to play songs for my listeners that aren't hits, or aren't likely to become hits" line of thinking has become a big issue with country radio these past few years and probably is one of the biggest contributors to the chart moving like molasses for anyone but a select handful of A-listers. But hey, if you think not subjecting your listeners to some spins of "Mayday" because it wasn't likely to move beyond the Top 40 helps you feel better about your job, then that's your prerogative. I'll be over here thankful that my radio stations were evidently a little more open-minded seeing as I heard "Mayday" quite a bit during it's fairly short time on the charts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 16:25:52 GMT -5
"Stiff" is the term we use. Not sure there is a better choice of words. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm more offended by the idea that you were glad you didn't play the song because you (albeit, correctly) predicted it wouldn't be a big hit than by your terminology to describe it. The "I don't want to play songs for my listeners that aren't hits, or aren't likely to become hits" line of thinking has become a big issue with country radio these past few years and probably is one of the biggest contributors to the chart moving like molasses for anyone but a select handful of A-listers. But hey, if you think not subjecting your listeners to some spins of "Mayday" because it wasn't likely to move beyond the Top 40 helps you feel better about your job, then that's your prerogative. I'll be over here thankful that my radio stations were evidently a little more open-minded seeing as I heard "Mayday" quite a bit during it's fairly short time on the charts. Actually I would think that djHayStack and his actions are more of what we need. He didn't want to subject his listeners to something he didn't think would be a hit. Isn't that the goal of every station? Instead, you have instances where half the panel adds a song in its first week just because the artist is well-known or whatever. They don't care if the song is a steaming pile of poo, they're just blindly adding it because they think they should. In this case, DJHS listened to the song and decided it probably wouldn't be a hit (for whatever reason) and chose not to play it. He probably knows his listeners better than the rest of the Mediabase panel so I see no way in which that is a bad decision. I also see no problem with him calling the song a "stiff", whether or not that's what an early peaker is called to insiders. How come it's okay to say "I love to play this masterpiece of a song" but not okay to say "I don't like to play this stiff of a song"? I have a hard time believing the song's feelings were hurt. Not to mention that when I hear the word "stiff" used as a noun (the way in which djHayStack used it) I think of someone who is boring, plain, or not fun. All ways someone could describe a song they see as failing to make a lasting impact.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 27, 2016 17:00:20 GMT -5
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm more offended by the idea that you were glad you didn't play the song because you (albeit, correctly) predicted it wouldn't be a big hit than by your terminology to describe it. The "I don't want to play songs for my listeners that aren't hits, or aren't likely to become hits" line of thinking has become a big issue with country radio these past few years and probably is one of the biggest contributors to the chart moving like molasses for anyone but a select handful of A-listers. But hey, if you think not subjecting your listeners to some spins of "Mayday" because it wasn't likely to move beyond the Top 40 helps you feel better about your job, then that's your prerogative. I'll be over here thankful that my radio stations were evidently a little more open-minded seeing as I heard "Mayday" quite a bit during it's fairly short time on the charts. Actually I would think that djHayStack and his actions are more of what we need. He didn't want to subject his listeners to something he didn't think would be a hit. Isn't that the goal of every station? Instead, you have instances where half the panel adds a song in its first week just because the artist is well-known or whatever. They don't care if the song is a steaming pile of poo, they're just blindly adding it because they think they should. In this case, DJHS listened to the song and decided it probably wouldn't be a hit (for whatever reason) and chose not to play it. He probably knows his listeners better than the rest of the Mediabase panel so I see no way in which that is a bad decision. I also see no problem with him calling the song a "stiff", whether or not that's what an early peaker is called to insiders. How come it's okay to say "I love to play this masterpiece of a song" but not okay to say "I don't like to play this stiff of a song"? I have a hard time believing the song's feelings were hurt. Not to mention that when I hear the word "stiff" used as a noun (the way in which djHayStack used it) I think of someone who is boring, plain, or not fun. All ways someone could describe a song they see as failing to make a lasting impact. Maybe if the song in question was fiddle-laden you'd be a bit more upset by this line of thinking? In all seriousness, I completely disagree with this assessment. For starters, I don't see the correlation between your negative opinion of radio 'blindly' adding a song by any well-known artist and the way this song was treated. If you're upset that radio jumps all over "steaming pile of poo" on one hand, but then the other is you also being okay with this song doing next to nothing, then I'm not seeing how that works out... unless you just think "Mayday" is a bad song. In a way, you're saying that you applaud him for taking an initiative in not playing a song like "Mayday" because it was unlikely to be a hit, but also insinuating that radio needs to do more of that to combat these "steaming piles of poo," when in actuality I guarantee most of those songs that would fall under that category are the ones that these stations are adding/playing because they are going to be hits. Choosing to not play songs like "Mayday" or other tracks by female artists or with a decidedly neo-traditional bent (which is what I imagine being the most likely victims of radio PDs not playing songs they 'don't think will be hits') to them seems counterproductive to your idea of weeding out the "bad" songs given what I know about your musical taste. Songs like "I Met a Girl" and "Livin' the Dream" for instance (two songs I know you like and want to see succeed) would've died a long time ago at country radio if more people exercised that same viewpoint when picking what to play (both are selling far more poorly than Cam's single ever did, and neither sounds like a 2016 country radio hit). In fact, that's probably why they're moving so slow because they've had to slowly chip away at the people not wanting to play either song because they figured it wouldn't hit big. I think a station with a goal of only playing songs that are/will be hits is a big part of why we have such chart clog in the genre because we have tons of stations waiting until something hits say Top 20 or so before they feel like it's worthy for them to play. It also contributes to this decrease in riskier, more challenging songs about deeper topics with more interesting and typical country production that the genre has faced. That line of thinking is probably a huge part of why someone like Dustin Lynch has to release the kind of singles he is currently releasing and not stuff like "Cowboys and Angels." Like I said, he can take whatever stance he wants here and play whatever he so chooses, but patting himself on the back because his listeners never had to be subjected to a couple spins of something like "Mayday" rubs me the wrong way. That one station in Houston that's decided to play the crap out of Runaway June's "Lipstick" (when no one else really is) must be pissing off a lot of listeners playing that song since it's destined to not be a big hit. The horror!
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Post by djHayStack on Jun 27, 2016 17:12:18 GMT -5
Where's my popcorn?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 17:17:21 GMT -5
I like "Mayday" so I was not insinuating that it was a pile of poo, steaming or otherwise.
All I'm saying is when stations blindly add songs like "It All Started With a Beer" on the premise that Frankie Ballard had 3 previous number #1s, giving no regard to the fact that he has been such a poor seller, that's why we have issues. Stations would rather play "safe" songs that everyone else is playing than songs that they think will actually connect with their own listeners.
Chart clog has nothing to do with certain stations refusing to play songs they think their listeners aren't going to like.
The reasons for all the clog are 1) labels feel the need to get as many songs up the charts as fast as possible for their superstars. Could Capitol have gotten "Huntin, Fishin" to be a 4-week #1 like back in the day? Hell yeah, but they want to get the next single out ASAP. And 2) labels want their B- and C- listers to get as high as possible no matter what. They'll pull a "Love You Like That" for a whole year and manufacture a 8million audience gain in its final week instead of just letting the song peak naturally and moving onto the next.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 27, 2016 17:19:21 GMT -5
Probably still waiting for you to pop it. Might be awhile.
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Post by djHayStack on Jun 27, 2016 17:21:32 GMT -5
I like "Mayday" so I was not insinuating that it was a pile of poo, steaming or otherwise. All I'm saying is when stations blindly add songs like "It All Started With a Beer" on the premise that Frankie Ballard had 3 previous number #1s, giving no regard to the fact that he has been such a poor seller, that's why we have issues. Stations would rather play "safe" songs that everyone else is playing than songs that they think will actually connect with their own listeners. Chart clog has nothing to do with certain stations refusing to play songs they think their listeners aren't going to like. The reasons for all the clog are 1) labels feel the need to get as many songs up the charts as fast as possible for their superstars. Could Capitol have gotten "Huntin, Fishin" to be a 4-week #1 like back in the day? Hell yeah, but they want to get the next single out ASAP. And 2) labels want their B- and C- listers to get as high as possible no matter what. They'll pull a "Love You Like That" for a whole year and manufacture a 8million audience gain in its final week instead of just letting the song peak naturally and moving onto the next. Somebody knows what's up!
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