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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 27, 2016 17:32:21 GMT -5
All I'm saying is when stations blindly add songs like "It All Started With a Beer" on the premise that Frankie Ballard had 3 previous number #1s, giving no regard to the fact that he has been such a poor seller, that's why we have issues. Stations would rather play "safe" songs that everyone else is playing than songs that they think will actually connect with their own listeners. Chart clog has nothing to do with certain stations refusing to play songs they think their listeners aren't going to like. The reasons for all the clog are 1) labels feel the need to get as many songs up the charts as fast as possible for their superstars. Could Capitol have gotten "Huntin, Fishin" to be a 4-week #1 like back in the day? Hell yeah, but they want to get the next single out ASAP. And 2) labels want their B- and C- listers to get as high as possible no matter what. They'll pull a "Love You Like That" for a whole year and manufacture a 8million audience gain in its final week instead of just letting the song peak naturally and moving onto the next. Well I agree with you completely on Frankie Ballard, but I fail to see how that example correlates in any way with the idea of not playing "Mayday" on the pretense that it wouldn't be a big hit. I mean, kinda hard for that to happen if a new single never gets the chance to get off the ground, so... It's a combination of both. Songs like "Love You Like That" ultimately turned into a big hit because they kept pushing it relentlessly, but in that case, the song started off selling really well and it ran into a lot of opposition with radio not allowing it to take off faster when it probably should have. That long chart climb was as much to do with record label ambition as it did with country radio opposition. We didn't need a member of this forum to point out that some stations won't give a song spins if they think it's not going to be a big hit (seems like they all must have crystal balls in their studios?) as this is pretty well-known information at this point. I also fail to see that this as a case of not playing something "the listeners aren't going to like." Unless Arkansas was like unbeknownst to me the only state in the country not on board with "Burning House," one of the biggest and hottest sellers of the past calendar year by far, I just don't see listeners being so adamantly against this one. It probably wouldn't have tested the best, because nothing female really does test that well anymore, but I just don't see it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 17:41:47 GMT -5
Well what we see on the charts is an average of what's going on nationwide. I know it was a sarcastic example, but it's very possible that Arkansas hated "Burning House".
I live in New England and the 3 stations I get play only top 30 chart songs. It's very irritating. The recurrents they play are from the past 3 years. Every now and then they'll throw in something older. Now don't you think these stations would look at the fact that hey, Brad Paisley just came to town and drew a crowd of 15,000 in a mostly rural state...and Frankie Ballard's record just sold a total of 8,000 copies nationwide...why did we give Frankie three #1 hits in the same span Brad struggled to make the top 10 twice? It's an extreme example but it's still notable.
On the flipside, I was in North Carolina last month and the 3 stations in those areas played MUCH different music. They played the hits but man I swear I heard three Alan Jackson songs a day. A lot of older stuff mixed in.
On my stations here, I'm not sure I've heard Alan Jackson 3 times this year. So geography has an impact. You can't assume that because "Mayday" is popular somewhere, it is popular everywhere. Not to mention its sales were just average.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 17:50:21 GMT -5
If I recall correctly this song sold rather "meh" and tested poorly. I think the label realized that the gains were just not there and the adds were becoming non existent so there was no point, especially with a lot of songs that were soon gonna pass Cam. This chart run reminds me of Cassadee Pope "I Wish I Can Break Your Heart" where the song was following up a hit ("Burning House" was obviously a much bigger hit but it does still apply here) and the followup was off to a pretty good start but ultimately didn't test all that well and only sold mediocre at best. So by the time about 20 weeks on the chart the label decided it's not worth it when the song is looking more and more likely it's stalling out, with minimal gains.
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 27, 2016 17:58:56 GMT -5
Well what we see on the charts is an average of what's going on nationwide. I know it was a sarcastic example, but it's very possible that Arkansas hated "Burning House". I live in New England and the 3 stations I get play only top 30 chart songs. It's very irritating. The recurrents they play are from the past 3 years. Every now and then they'll throw in something older. Now don't you think these stations would look at the fact that hey, Brad Paisley just came to town and drew a crowd of 15,000 in a mostly rural state...and Frankie Ballard's record just sold a total of 8,000 copies nationwide...why did we give Frankie three #1 hits in the same span Brad struggled to make the top 10 twice? It's an extreme example but it's still notable. On the flipside, I was in North Carolina last month and the 3 stations in those areas played MUCH different music. They played the hits but man I swear I heard three Alan Jackson songs a day. A lot of older stuff mixed in. On my stations here, I'm not sure I've heard Alan Jackson 3 times this year. So geography has an impact. You can't assume that because "Mayday" is popular somewhere, it is popular everywhere. Not to mention its sales were just average. To be fair, both of those Brad Paisley songs sold pretty poorly, so the fact that they made Top 10 at all should be considered a win, honestly. That has little to do with Frankie Ballard and their albums sales or their touring draws, but I agree that Frankie should be doing a lot better on all of those fronts if he's going to keep getting shoved down listener's throats on country radio like he has. "Mayday" wasn't exploding in sales like "Burning House," no, but it was outselling Justin Moore, Kip Moore, Drake White, William Michael Morgan, Big & Rich, and Locash, among a number of other songs in the same general vicinity or higher on the charts in the past few months. If sales were the issue there then songs like "Lovin' Lately" and "I Met a Girl" would've died horrible deaths months ago. Also, in regards to AJ since you brought him up, I hear him at least once on the radio probably daily (provided I'm in the car more than like 10 minutes), lol. He still gets played all the time here. Not his new stuff of course, but I hear his biggest hits very regularly. I've heard "5 O'Clock Somewhere" enough to never hear it again (instant station-changer for me), i.e.
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Post by Kurt on Jun 27, 2016 18:04:27 GMT -5
I've never heard the term "stiff" before, but that's likely because I don't work in radio; what I do know is it makes sense to me that if a programmer doesn't care for a song and doesn't think it's a hit (both of which are opinions that can be extrapolated to their local listener base through testing, research, and sales data), they wouldn't have a reason to add it.
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Post by maine on Jun 27, 2016 22:02:53 GMT -5
Anywayyyyyys Despite the label being done with the song, looks like Cam hasn't moved on! She's doing a weekly series through Facebook Live called Mayday Mondays where you email her questions and stories and she reads them. The first episode is up on her Facebook, and you can still watch it despite the livestream being over. www.facebook.com/camcountry/videos/10153954828419177/ (ugh I can never get the embed to work) She is too damn perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 16:03:39 GMT -5
A radio station that only plays the current hits, sounds like a horrible thing. Makes me think of MTV, when they showed music videos, all kinds of genres, there was something for everyone. Now, they don't play music, and if they do, it's a current hit. But whatever.
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Post by maine on Jul 7, 2016 18:54:52 GMT -5
I'm thinking we will be getting a new single very soon. She's going to my local country station (WUSN) on July 20th for a radio show, so I expect a new single to be announced before then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 12:10:00 GMT -5
I hope she does that. Runaway Train would be the perfect song to be a single... or at least, it's my next favorite <3
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Post by vann on Jul 10, 2016 15:40:22 GMT -5
I like Mayday video a lot but I think the song wouldnt be good as a single...I also prefer Runaway Train as the next one.
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Post by maine on Jul 11, 2016 23:20:14 GMT -5
During her Mayday Mondays, someone commented on how "Runaway Train" should be the next single, and she replied back saying how much she loves that song and how fun it is to perform live. So hmmmm.
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Post by kw9461 on Jul 11, 2016 23:37:35 GMT -5
I would be very, very surprised if the label sends Runaway Train next. It's probably the least radio friendly song on the whole record, and after Mayday's stall-out, she's going to need to cater to radio with her next release. I just don't think the label is in a position to make a bold choice like Runaway Train.
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Post by someguy on Jul 12, 2016 0:10:02 GMT -5
I'm wondering if they're going to be moving on to a new album instead. I would have thought that a new single would have been announced by now. Probably not, but I do think that it is a possibility.
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Post by maine on Jul 12, 2016 0:20:09 GMT -5
I'm wondering if they're going to be moving on to a new album instead. I would have thought that a new single would have been announced by now. Probably not, but I do think that it is a possibility. That's highly doubtful. The album has been out for 8 months; there's no way they're moving on to another. The only way she would release a new single not from the album would be in the form of a high-profile feature or for a re-release. I still 100% expect her next single to be from Untamed though. Side note: I wonder if she was approached for "Different for Girls" with Dierks Bentley. She opens for him on his latest tour, so that would have worked out perfectly.
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Post by someguy on Jul 12, 2016 0:25:18 GMT -5
I'm wondering if they're going to be moving on to a new album instead. I would have thought that a new single would have been announced by now. Probably not, but I do think that it is a possibility. That's highly doubtful. The album has been out for 8 months; there's no way they're moving on to another. The only way she would release a new single not from the album would be in the form of a high-profile feature or for a re-release. I still 100% expect her next single to be from Untamed though. Oh yeah, I agree that the most likely scenario is a fourth single from Untamed. It's awfully tough to get a fourth single to hit after a third underperforms though, as we're seeing with Maddie & Tae (and I imagine with Jana Kramer as well). There are a number of good choices left on her album, so I hope that she can break the trend and score another hit. I imagine we'll have a good idea of the label's plans in the next 2-3 weeks.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 12, 2016 1:32:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I can't see them moving on from Untamed yet seeing as it's still a fairly young album cycle and there's been no serious indication Cam has even started working on the follow-up to it, so there'd probably be a pretty big gap between "Mayday" and her next lead single if that were the case. We'll probably hear something about a new single soon, probably with an adds date in August. It's possible her team is cognizant of the onslaught of new releases and is just waiting for the right time to release the next single.
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Post by carriekins on Jul 12, 2016 6:29:48 GMT -5
Side note: I wonder if she was approached for "Different for Girls" with Dierks Bentley. She opens for him on his latest tour, so that would have worked out perfectly. From everything I've read, his manager wanted Elle from the beginning, and she was the only woman approached for the song once they decided to make it a duet. Also, to my knowledge, he hasn't even added DFG to his tour setlist (I see him Thursday and can confirm), but I thought the natural thing would be for Cam to step in on vocals on tour. He's performed it a couple times acoustically at his VIP preshow thing and each time it's just been him.
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