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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2008 15:28:29 GMT -5
Well Taylor is clearly the biggest female country act out at the moment and deserves her place among the nominations just as much as any of the other females listed. Because she currently is releasing her CD? Other than that, I dont see how she is the "biggest female country act". She is just in the news alot right now. And selling more than anyone. Like it or not, she is the biggest female in country right now. Carrie and Jennifer are the only other females doing much of anything, but in the past year Taylor has been the biggest commercially. 4r3dudley - I think it's lame that you made the "probation" or whatever public. You could have addressed me privately, especially since all I did was bold something (when I had copied and pasted the article from somewhere else and forgot to take the bold off that part). Control freak?
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2008 15:29:18 GMT -5
Television Without Pity recap of the event:
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Post by kw9461 on Nov 14, 2008 15:35:30 GMT -5
I see that almost all of the nominees of the Best New Artist will be ineligible next year. I wonder who will be nominated next year. Darius Rucker Jake Owen Zac Brown Band Ashton Shepherd Joey & Rory Just a guess as of now. I would say that's a decent list. I wonder if Darius will be considered though because of his success with Hootie? I would probably put Chuck Wicks or Luke Bryan on there before J + R or Ashton, but those two did have critically acclaimed albums. It's also probably a decent bet that at least one of next year's candidates will be a true newcomer (meaning we've yet to hear their debut) like Lady A was this year.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 14, 2008 16:04:22 GMT -5
For Best New Artist I see...
Darius Rucker Jullianne Hough Ashton Shepherd Zac Brown Band Chuck Wicks
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Nov 14, 2008 16:14:05 GMT -5
Go Darius or Chicken Fried! lol I also like Ashton Shepherd... but who the heck is Joey & Rory? Never heard of them. This is where it would be a good idea to read the rest of the forum. There is a thread for their single right on the first page ( here). 4r3dudley - I think it's lame that you made the "probation" or whatever public. You could have addressed me privately, especially since all I did was bold something (when I had copied and pasted the article from somewhere else and forgot to take the bold off that part). Control freak? Megalomaniac, actually. ;) If you take issue with a moderator decision, board rules state that you are to take it up via PM, not complain about it on the board. You had already posted that Taylor sounded like "s**t" after I had warned people to avoid inflammatory language. As rowdawg21 pointed out, you have been beating certain dead horses when it comes to Taylor ("Love Story"'s mediocre callout is another example), so I guess I was low on patience (not to mention that the more modding I do, the longer I have to put off actually participating in the conversation). I had made a Taylor Swift super-fan's suspension public, so I felt it was important that any potential fan war combatant on any side get the message that this sort of behavior would not be tolerated. It isn't personal and I can understand why you would have preferred a private warning. But speaking of rules that I know you're aware of but are violating anyway, please stop posting consecutively. If you have something new to say and no one has posted since the last time you did, either edit your most recent post or wait until someone else has posted. I had previously responded to a query of yours as to how to respond to multiple quotes in a thread within one post.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Nov 14, 2008 16:32:02 GMT -5
Because she currently is releasing her CD? Other than that, I dont see how she is the "biggest female country act". She is just in the news alot right now. And selling more than anyone. Like it or not, she is the biggest female in country right now. Carrie and Jennifer are the only other females doing much of anything, but in the past year Taylor has been the biggest commercially. I just dont understand the big hoopla over Taylor's "huge" year. From January 2008-September 2008 I think it was pretty much fair game for anyone; Carrie headlined a tour that more than a million people saw (putting her with the likes of Kenny in terms of total audience), she had 4 consequtive #1s, more awards, more magazine/media appearances, etc... Taylor's album sold more because she crossed over...thats really all she has to claim. that and the #1 for 6 weeks "OS". But i guess there is a degree of subjectivity to it so....whateveeer
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Post by drock89 on Nov 14, 2008 16:36:12 GMT -5
Because she currently is releasing her CD? Other than that, I dont see how she is the "biggest female country act". She is just in the news alot right now. And selling more than anyone. Like it or not, she is the biggest female in country right now. Carrie and Jennifer are the only other females doing much of anything, but in the past year Taylor has been the biggest commercially. Sorry but when Shania Twain walked out on stage it reminded everyone who really is in control of the women of country music. Shania has sold more with her last studio album than Carrie's latest and Taylor's debut combined... But this thread isn't about who's better than who so let's save all that for next year when the FOTY nominations come out. ;)
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Post by carriefan0209 on Nov 14, 2008 16:37:25 GMT -5
And selling more than anyone. Like it or not, she is the biggest female in country right now. Carrie and Jennifer are the only other females doing much of anything, but in the past year Taylor has been the biggest commercially. Sorry but when Shania Twain walked out on stage it reminded everyone who really is in control of the women of country music. Shania has sold more with her last studio album than Carrie's latest and Taylor's debut combined... But this thread isn't about who's better than who so let's save all that for next year when the FOTY nominations come out. ;) I agree. That was awesome. I would love for Carrie to be nomintated in the same category as Shania :)
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Post by sbp17 on Nov 14, 2008 16:39:07 GMT -5
And selling more than anyone. Like it or not, she is the biggest female in country right now. Carrie and Jennifer are the only other females doing much of anything, but in the past year Taylor has been the biggest commercially. Sorry but when Shania Twain walked out on stage it reminded everyone who really is in control of the women of country music. Shania has sold more with her last studio album than Carrie's latest and Taylor's debut combined... But this thread isn't about who's better than who so let's save all that for next year when the FOTY nominations come out. ;) Oh please, the real Queen in attendance that night was the one who stood up there moving her lips but no one heard her! Queen Reba!!!!
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Post by sbp17 on Nov 14, 2008 16:41:21 GMT -5
Oh please, the real Queen in attendance that night was the one who stood up there moving her lips but no one heard her! Queen Reba!!!! As if! Reba and all the females were just jealous of Miley! She rulz!
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Post by drock89 on Nov 14, 2008 16:44:15 GMT -5
Oh please, the real Queen in attendance that night was the one who stood up there moving her lips but no one heard her! Queen Reba!!!! As if! Reba and all the females were just jealous of Miley! She rulz! I actually felt bad for Miley.. she seemed really embarrassed by Daddio... I have a question: did Reba's mic not work? She sounded fine in the Sommet, and I haven't heard a playback..
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Nov 14, 2008 16:44:31 GMT -5
Well Taylor is clearly the biggest female country act out at the moment and deserves her place among the nominations just as much as any of the other females listed. Because she currently is releasing her CD? Other than that, I dont see how she is the "biggest female country act". She is just in the news alot right now. Well, I don't see things changing much on the commercial side for the timebeing...Taylor's will the biggest-selling album of the holiday season by an artist getting airplay on country radio (by far, although I suppose Faith could mount a challenge), and she will have more of a presence on TV this holiday season than any other act that gets airplay on country radio. Plus, she is going global next year, with a strong chance of establishing herself on a level that will trouble our favorite potter. ;) So as long as Taylor identifies herself as a country artist and continues to get airplay on country radio, I have difficulty imagining considering anyone else "biggest" from a commercial standpoint, at least for the moment. I agree with your point that when other factors (artistry, awards, career accomplishments) are taken into consideration, there is much more room for debate. On her current path, I tend to think Taylor will be nominated for and even possibly win Entertainer of the Year before she wins Female Vocalist of the Year. It's early, but I'm thinking that Martina may very well reclaim her CMA Female Vocalist of the Year crown next year with a release of a new album within the eligibility period. Miranda could contend for the win if she releases a new album in the eligibility period. Carrie will likely be in the mix, of course, but I'm thinking winning FVotY for a fourth year running when Martina is releasing a new album will be difficult. And yes, as SGG suggests, it will be very interesting to see Shania impact again with her music. I'm not a fan, but I'm much more interested in music from her with a different producer and maybe from a different place in life. ETA: But by all means, let's have a Shania v. Reba v. Miley fanwar throwdown! Overall, I thought the CMAs were pretty good. As hosts, I thought Brad and Carrie were engaging and did a good job, with room to improve. Brad was funny and seemed to loosen up as the night wore on, but his rather stiff teleprompter readings were in contrast to his natural personality. Carrie, by contrast, was really good on her teleprompter reading -- she delivered her lines with almost conversational ease, but she is capable of being funny, too and didn't seem to go for that as much. I hope they're asked back to host again. I'm still getting over how the performances on these shows are now to track with the exception of the name artist (singing and playing). I know it's to facilitate a better sound mix (which it has) and to eliminate unexpected glitches, but it's still an adjustment for me. Favorite performances...Carrie's stood out to me because of how fully Carrie threw herself emotionally into the song without sacrificing vocal control; she sounded beautiful and she conveyed the desperation and denial in the song incredibly well. It seemed to me that she channeled the weight of the moment and the song into a great interpretive performance, and it was just good to see that it all meant so much to her. I agree with rowdawg21 that Miranda oversang "More Like Her" a bit, but I think it was just nerves and her performance still moved me. I really like her natural phrasing tendencies. Lady Antebellum surprised me with their command of the stage and moment -- it's not that I didn't think they would be good live, but all three of them really looked like they belonged up there, and it was great to see their chemistry onstage. Charles Kelley sounded absolutely fantastic. Overall, a performance that shows what a big upside they have as a group and why they were worthy New Artist of the Year award winners. I wasn't crazy about Sugarland's choice of song, but they turned in a very good performance, as well. They do a really good job of not overselling their lyrics live. Brad Paisley's tribute to Jerry Reed was lovely, and he did a really nice job on "Waiting on a Woman" -- his best vocal on an awards show in some time. And although the vocal wasn't as impactful on "Start a Band," it was a good way to kick off the show, if for no other reason than the charm of seeing Brad and Keith having some fun together. Speaking of Keith, "Sweet Thing" is a trifle of a song, but the man can sell just about anything on stage. The track factor notwithstanding, he is just a magnetic presence. Jason Aldean turned in a solid performance, I thought, albeit on a song that is more catchy than original. And although I still think the song is a bit silly (though catchy), I thought Martina sounded very good and looked completely comfortable on stage. I didn't think her presence was forced on a song that isn't an obvious fit for her performance style, so I was impressed. And watching Kid Rock's performance just reminded me how undeniable those hooks are. They make that song such an easy sell. I thought Kellie Pickler looked a bit uncomfortable up there on "Best Days of Your Life," and the strutting around seemed a little forced to me. Nerves no doubt played a factor; the gasping for breath into the mic was really distracting. She sang OK; the verses of that song are tricky because they aren't particularly melodic and they are a bit low for her. I also found myself wondering if there was something wrong with her ear monitor because she looked like she had to fight for that performance. The production of Taylor's performance had me wondering if we had suddenly been transported to a float at a Disney parade. Yes, it fits the song, but it seemed kind of out of place to me because it's what I would expect to see on Main Street in Disney World. In any case, I also thought Taylor looked surprisingly uncomfortable up there -- that's not something I would normally ever say about her. I don't know if it was having two dresses on, but she seemed uncharacteristically low energy for most of the song. Here, too, I thought she looked sad. I found myself thinking about how, despite the great commercial success she is having, it must be pretty tiring to be eighteen years old and have to live your life in the public eye. It's just a really intense time for her. The vocal wasn't wretched, but Taylor was flat for most of the verses, and she has yet to learn how to control the volume of her voice so that it can crescendo properly. Rodney Atkins also sounded flat, though the single sounds like it will be a hit. Although Darius Rucker has a very good voice, I thought his performance lacked a bit of punch. Maybe it's just that his voice didn't seem to have the resonance that it can (and that it did on his Opry debut). Still, when his performance ended and it was obvious how much sweat he had put into it, it was pretty cool seeing him step back and take in the warm response (I think he mouthed something like, "That's very kind."). The guy really does seem to respect and love this genre. James Otto recovered nicely from a flubbed first line and turned in a pretty solid reading of a shortened "Just Got Started Lovin' You." Love that song! But it was really weird having him segue into the radio thing. Once Reba's mic was working ( SGG, her mic was low when she starting singing harmony, but was fixed in time for her solo), she was the best part of "Cowgirls Don't Cry." I'm glad Brooks & Dunn will be releasing a version of that song that includes her vocal. She made the song come to life in a way that Ronnie Dunn's live vocal wasn't, and her vocal sounded effortless. Trace's voice sounded more or less buried after the first verse of "You're Gonna Miss This." The Eagles sounded fine, but I had been hoping for a more impactful performance. Alan had a solid performance, but I can't really get past the question of why he sang "Good Time" and why he released "Country Boy" over much superior choices like "Long, Long Way" and "I Wish I Could Back Up." I was disappointed in George Strait's song choice. I think he should have sung "Everybody Wants to Go to Heaven." ;) If he had done that, he would have suddenly vaulted to the top of my list for Entertainer of the Year! That said, Kenny sounded fine on his version. Not a fan, but his live vocal didn't have the ironed-out quality of the studio version. His voice kind of disappeared once the Wailers joined him, though. Speaking of George, I kind of thought the CMAs telegraphed George Strait's Album of the Year win when they sent out two MCA Nashville artists (Lee Ann Womack and Josh Turner) to give out the award (George Strait is also on MCA Nashville). I would have preferred to see the album award go to Alan. In any case, I liked that the show didn't drag. The staging of the show worked well, too. So for overall quality, probably the best set of awards show performances in a while, though perhaps not the most interesting. I'd really like to see some more song choice curveballs in the future.
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Post by sbp17 on Nov 14, 2008 16:50:53 GMT -5
Great post, dudley....as usual.
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Post by kim8 on Nov 14, 2008 16:56:11 GMT -5
Agreed. I always look forward to reading your thoughts Dudley. Thanks for posting that.
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Post by storm on Nov 14, 2008 18:00:42 GMT -5
The production of Taylor's performance had me wondering if we had suddenly been transported to a float at a Disney parade. Yes, it fits the song, but it seemed kind of out of place to me because it's what I would expect to see on Main Street in Disney World. That's what I said! You could have at least quoted me, geez. haha, totally kidding. My dream FVOTY: Faith Hill Martina McBride LeAnn Rimes Shania Twain Carrie Underwood aaah. chills. It's so sad to me to realize that LeAnn Rimes will never win a Female Vocalist of the Year award at any country awards show. -sigh- I know a lot of people can't stand her, but surely she should some day be known as one of the greatest female vocalists in country history. No?
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Post by Zach on Nov 14, 2008 18:13:44 GMT -5
Again, I thought Taylor's performance was great, I enjoy performances where the song is actually played out on stage. Many have expressed concern with her vocals and after re-watching the performance, sure, she was flat and trembly in places, but I am almost 110% positive that she was nervous as heck! I mean she was up against Miranda Lambert, Martina, and Carrie Underwood in a tight race for FVOTY.
Carrie's performance was great as well, although I wish they would have done something more, but her just performing the song with only a backing track was great too. And that intro was extremely sad!
Lady A, what can I say, they are my peeps! I am so glad they won New Artist and also pulled off an outstanding performance.
All in all, this year's awards were not as good as I was hoping they would be. Brad and Carrie did okay considering this is only their first time hosting a major awards show. I'm surprised, however, at some of the big names that were missing in attendance (mainly because of no nominations I'm sure): Dierks Bentley, Faith & Tim, Toby Keith (who already said he wasn't going because the CMAs had "screwed" him), and Sara Evans.
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Post by carriefan0209 on Nov 14, 2008 18:16:50 GMT -5
Hmm...my problem with Taylor's performance wasnt as much her vocals as much as how bored and apathetic she seemed. Like my friend, who loves Taylor, started singing "Love Song" as Taylor sang it and it was just incredible the difference when you add emotion! Plus the people were distracting and the costume change over the top
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Post by carriefan0209 on Nov 14, 2008 18:17:16 GMT -5
The production of Taylor's performance had me wondering if we had suddenly been transported to a float at a Disney parade. Yes, it fits the song, but it seemed kind of out of place to me because it's what I would expect to see on Main Street in Disney World. That's what I said! You could have at least quoted me, geez. haha, totally kidding. My dream FVOTY: Faith Hill Martina McBride LeAnn Rimes Shania Twain Carrie Underwood aaah. chills. It's so sad to me to realize that LeAnn Rimes will never win a Female Vocalist of the Year award at any country awards show. -sigh- I know a lot of people can't stand her, but surely she should some day be known as one of the greatest female vocalists in country history. No? Ahhh that would be the best ever!
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2008 18:30:52 GMT -5
Again, I thought Taylor's performance was great, I enjoy performances where the song is actually played out on stage. Many have expressed concern with her vocals and after re-watching the performance, sure, she was flat and trembly in places, but I am almost 110% positive that she was nervous as heck! I mean she was up against Miranda Lambert, Martina, and Carrie Underwood in a tight race for FVOTY. I have no doubt she was nervous, but that doesn't suddenly make the performance good.
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Post by nsfb17 on Nov 14, 2008 20:13:53 GMT -5
For Best New Artist I see... Darius Rucker Jullianne Hough Ashton Shepherd Zac Brown Band Jessica Simpson Chuck Wicks Luke Bryan That'd be ideal for me.
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Post by kasey8810 on Nov 14, 2008 22:15:38 GMT -5
For Best New Artist I see... Darius Rucker Jullianne Hough Ashton Shepherd Zac Brown Band Jessica Simpson Chuck Wicks Luke Bryan That'd be ideal for me. Luke Bryan definitely. I'm actually surprised he wasn't asked to perform this year. Him singing Country Man would have been awesome, and I think he'll end up having a steadier career than most of the other potential candidates so far for that category. Jessica Simpson on the other hand...ehhh, not so much.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 14, 2008 23:54:05 GMT -5
How many top 10 hits as Luke Bryan had?
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Post by kw9461 on Nov 14, 2008 23:57:17 GMT -5
^ 2. All My Friends Say and Country Man
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Post by nsfb17 on Nov 14, 2008 23:58:44 GMT -5
Jessica Simpson on the other hand...ehhh, not so much. Say what you want about her, but she put together a great country album, which is why I think she deserves to be nominated.
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Post by ontheroadwith on Nov 15, 2008 0:00:28 GMT -5
Luke Bryan definitely. I'm actually surprised he wasn't asked to perform this year. Him singing Country Man would have been awesome, and I think he'll end up having a steadier career than most of the other potential candidates so far for that category. Jessica Simpson on the other hand...ehhh, not so much. I do have to say that the original list for next years New Artist award is a good one. However, this award really should be renamed (again) because with the exception of Lady A and Otto, everyone else has been around and had enough hits not to be considered NEW. It is kinda amazing that Lady A won on the strength of just 2 singles whereas Jason Aldean is getting ready to release his 3rd record. Weird. My picks for next year: Darius Rucker Zac Brown Band (this will depend on a strong follow-up to CF) Heidi Newfield Chuck Wicks The 5th Spot Could Go To Any Of The Following: Jason Michael Carroll Bucky Covington Julianne Hough Ashton Shepard BTW...I LOVE the Entertainment Weekly article. I think it states everything I thought about the award show perfectly!
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 15, 2008 0:49:56 GMT -5
I don't get why they changed the title, anyway. "Horizon Award" is perfect because it implies new, but moreso 'on the horizon' (i.e. up and coming or something).
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Post by nncountrykid on Nov 15, 2008 0:57:28 GMT -5
I wish we could see more up and comer performances, but I understand how those don't necessarily draw ratings.
I would've loved to see Jake Owen, Luke Bryan, Chuck Wicks and Eric Church out there.
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Post by kasey8810 on Nov 15, 2008 6:12:41 GMT -5
I wish we could see more up and comer performances, but I understand how those don't necessarily draw ratings. I would've loved to see Jake Owen, Luke Bryan, Chuck Wicks and Eric Church out there. Eric Church especially. It still amazes me how he's one of the most underrated in Nashville when he's probably one of the most talented.
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Post by hekerui on Nov 15, 2008 8:41:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2008 12:41:28 GMT -5
Shania also visited with Reese Witherspoon, Martina McBride, Jennifer Nettles, and Billy Ray Cyrus. Shania on the red carpet talking with Billy Ray Cyrus
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