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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2008 12:54:39 GMT -5
The following photo is from the UMG/Nashville CMA afterparty. King & Queens Come Up Aces: UMG/Nashville Chairman Luke Lewis gathers with some of the label group's heavy hitters after several wins at the 42nd Annual CMA Awards. Pictured (l-r) are Lee Ann Womack, Sugarland's Kristian Bush, Lewis, Shania Twain and George and Norma Strait.Photo source: ImageShack
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Nov 15, 2008 13:14:44 GMT -5
MusicSTFan, that "don't post consecutively" rule is for you, too. Don't do it. As I've said many, many times before, if you have something new to say and no one has posted since the last time you did, simply edit your previous post or wait for someone else to say something. storm, ACK -- I'm sorry! I know you're cool about it, but I know I roll my eyes when I see someone repeating a point that was already made by someone else. I thought I had read every post in this thread prior to posting, but obviously not. So this is me rolling my eyes at myself. One other point I wanted to make...I'd love to know how Leslie Ponder came to be chosen to introduce JaD. I'd like to hear more of her story. I enjoyed the tennessean.com's blog coverage of the CMAs. The blog includes backstage press comments from several of the night's winners. ETA: One other point to storm:I'm going to go with a "never say never" attitude, and agree with you that someday LeAnn should be known as one of the greatest female vocalists in country history.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 15, 2008 20:32:32 GMT -5
Unless LeAnn Rimes turns her career around commercially, she's pretty much going to be forgotten. In terms of country music, "Blue" is her only well-known song, and it has been forgotten to a certain extent. I do think she has made great improvement as a singer on her last two CDs, but they haven't had a huge commercial impact so she won't be seen as an all-time great for them.
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Post by kasey8810 on Nov 15, 2008 20:44:31 GMT -5
Unless LeAnn Rimes turns her career around commercially, she's pretty much going to be forgotten. In terms of country music, "Blue" is her only well-known song, and it has been forgotten to a certain extent. I do think she has made great improvement as a singer on her last two CDs, but they haven't had a huge commercial impact so she won't be seen as an all-time great for them. And it's a shame, because she's cut and released some great material. Not to mention that fact of what a great live performer she is too.
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Post by tsharky on Nov 15, 2008 22:14:50 GMT -5
I think Leann Rimes has a great voice too.. And the weird thing is-- she is only what, 25 or 26? The same age as Carrie and Miranda. Yet she seems so much older then them because she has been around so long.
I think she should have at least been nominated for Female vocalist this year, even though I think Carrie and Miranda were the front runners. Leann at least deserved a nomination.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Nov 15, 2008 22:19:30 GMT -5
In terms of country music, "Blue" is her only well-known song, and it has been forgotten to a certain extent. I disagree that "Blue" is her only well-known song. "One Way Ticket" and "Big Deal" still get quite a bit of airplay, and I'd say most people are familiar with "I Need You" and "Commitment."
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 15, 2008 23:35:57 GMT -5
^ I couldn't even sing a line of "Big Deal" to you, not that it necessarily means anything. Maybe people are familiar with those songs, but I'm not sure how to measure that. They certainly aren't classics in country.
And not sure how "Big Deal" still gets quite a bit of airplay. It has had 37 spins at country radio in the past week. "One Way Ticket" does seem to get good play, but I don't think it's enough to make her a legend or anything. Again, she needs to turn her career around for that to happen.
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Post by what on Nov 15, 2008 23:41:54 GMT -5
i agree with dudley. and like tsharky said. leanne is just the same age as carrie and miranda, even though she can be categorized as a veteran already. its never too late for her to have a career resurgence that will be enough for her to get a nom and even a win. martina got her 4th fvoty at 38 yrs old and is still getting nominated. reba just got nominated last year. allison has been in there 2 yrs in a row. so who knows? i think you cant count out leanne for good. and i also do agree that she deserves to be recognized as one of the greatest female country vocalists of all time. country universe put up a blog called "ten ways to fix the cma awards". they got some very interesting suggestions, and although i dont agree with all of them, they do make a lot of good points: www.countryuniverse.net/2008/11/15/ten-ways-to-fix-the-cma-awards/
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 16, 2008 1:13:13 GMT -5
I forgot to mention the travesty that was the recognition of the Hall of Fame inductees. For Vince to actually admit they didn't know if any were in attendance was ridiculous, and they should have had some sort of montage and performances for them or something.
I like nearly all of the suggestions in that blog.
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Post by sbp17 on Nov 16, 2008 1:28:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I think they went to a far extreme. There were several instances of three performances in a row before an award was presented. And now they didn't even present the video award on the show. I just don't know why they tried to fix what was not broken.
Take away a performance or two and put back the Video and Collaboration awards as well as a small dedication to the HOFers.
I agree with some of country universe's recommendations and disagree with others. I actually don't mind that artists could be nominated twice for New Artist. I think a max of twice is fine if there was an added stipulation with a limit on the time passing since your first charted song or the number of albums you have released. Here are winners who won on their second nomination...
Dierks Bentley Jo Dee Messina Travis Tritt LeAnn Rimes John Michael Montgomery Mark Chesnutt John Anderson
As an aside, while doing research on the above, I made some interesting observations on the Horizon award.
The modern king and queen of country, Reba and George, were both nominated in 1983 but lost to John Anderson.
Faith, Tim and Martina were nominated in the same year but lost to John Michael Montgomery.
Shania Twain lost twice...to Alison Krauss and Bryan White.
The last Horizon Winner who went on later to get an Entertainer nomination was Rascal Flatts seven years ago.
And in the 28 years since the Horizon Award was created, only three of the winners of this award went on to win Entertainer Of The Year, as best I can tell. They are the Dixie Chicks, Keith Urban and Ricky Skaggs.
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Post by Zach on Nov 16, 2008 3:58:49 GMT -5
Okay I may not be on the LeAnn Rimes bandwagon anymore, but I disagree that she will be forgotten, I just don't see that happening with the impact she made back in '96 and '97 on, not only country music, but also other genres. Also, "Blue" is certainly not the most recognizable songs from her, ever heard of "How Do I Live"? That's it.
Apparently she's going to be a movie star now so maybe that will work out for her. We'll see but I don't think she will be forgotten.
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Post by thescene on Nov 16, 2008 8:47:09 GMT -5
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Post by storm on Nov 16, 2008 12:21:10 GMT -5
Well I'm glad to see that a few people agree with me about LeAnn. Hopefully she'll continue to make music and not be discouraged by poor sales and not receiving recognition. I just don't think there's much hope when great songs like "Nothin' Better To Do" and "What I Cannot Change" get no where. Not sure what else she can do.
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Post by vinman on Nov 16, 2008 17:14:47 GMT -5
I don't think this was ever posted in this thread.
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Post by kw9461 on Nov 16, 2008 17:20:58 GMT -5
If I were the guy standing between Carrie and Miranda I'd have a big stupid smile on my face too.
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Post by nncountrykid on Nov 16, 2008 18:33:37 GMT -5
I don't think this was ever posted in this thread. who is that to the right of Kellie Pickler?
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Nov 16, 2008 19:12:30 GMT -5
who is that to the right of Kellie Pickler? I believe that is Sony Nashville's EVP of A&R, Renee Bell.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 16, 2008 22:20:38 GMT -5
Okay I may not be on the LeAnn Rimes bandwagon anymore, but I disagree that she will be forgotten, I just don't see that happening with the impact she made back in '96 and '97 on, not only country music, but also other genres. Also, "Blue" is certainly not the most recognizable songs from her, ever heard of "How Do I Live"? That's it.Apparently she's going to be a movie star now so maybe that will work out for her. We'll see but I don't think she will be forgotten. Notice I specifically mentioned country music as we were talking about her status in country music. Her version of "HDIL" wasn't a country hit at all. And LeAnn is almost forgotten in country as it is. Her latest CD didn't even produce a top 10 hit, and neither of her past few albums have sold all that much. At this pace she'll just be another country singer who had a few hits. She needs a comeback, which can easily happen given her age and improving music.
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Post by Lee on Nov 17, 2008 0:16:49 GMT -5
I think it is getting a bit carried away saying she will be "forgotten". With that said, I doubt she will ever win the Billboard award for "Artist of the Year" again, like she did in 1997. She did produce 12 Top Ten country radio hits, 2 additional Pop radio hits, and several more AC Top 10 hits, not to mention winning every major music award (AMA, ACM, CMA, CMT, GRAMMY), and having nine gold albums (over half of which are platinum/multi-platinum). All of those are not characteristics of someone that will be "forgotten".
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Post by drock89 on Nov 17, 2008 0:44:55 GMT -5
A very short rant about the "Horizon" Award: here's the last 14 years:
1990 - Garth Brooks 1991 - Travis Tritt 1992 - Suzy Bogguss 1993 - Mark Chesnut 1994 - John Michael Montgomery 1995 - Alison Krauss 1996 - Bryan White 1997 - LeAnn Rimes 1998 - Dixie Chicks 1999 - Jo Dee Messina 2000 - Brad Paisley
On this list, only two artists have had a top 10 hit on country radio this year. And, only two have put albums in the top albums on the top of the chart this year. How embarrassing!
There's more: 5 have lost their major label record deal. 1 has been formally kicked out of the country music family.
Case in point: while this award is supposed to show who the next superstar is going to be, it really is nothing more than a "feel of the moment, who's Kool-aid is the CMA drinking today?" award. Only two artists have gone on to sell more than 10 million records. Most of these acts can't even sell 100,000 copies today. And yet the biggest names in today's country music scene (Shania, Faith, Tim, Toby) never took home this trophy.
But that's not too surprising, now is it? Shania lost "Female" to Patty Loveless (1996) and Martina McBride (1999). The best selling country album ever was nominated for "Album," but lost to Everywhere from Tim McGraw. The last time Shania was nominated for a CMA was 2005 (for "Party For Two" as "Event") and before that 1999. Between 2002 and 2005, she had sold more records than any other country artist and had the top country tour (#3 all-genre), won several BMI Awards, played the Superbowl and Oprah, and been awarded the Order of Canada. But she didn't get "Entertainer" nor "Female."
So be careful when looking at the CMA Awards. They are respectable (to a point) and I'm not saying that the winners haven't been deserving. I just don't wholeheartedly believe the Awards are always true to their meaning. And I could list other examples of this that don't cite Twain.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 17, 2008 10:22:10 GMT -5
A very short rant about the "Horizon" Award: here's the last 14 years: 1990 - Garth Brooks 1991 - Travis Tritt 1992 - Suzy Bogguss 1993 - Mark Chesnut 1994 - John Michael Montgomery 1995 - Alison Krauss 1996 - Bryan White 1997 - LeAnn Rimes 1998 - Dixie Chicks 1999 - Jo Dee Messina 2000 - Brad Paisley On this list, only two artists have had a top 10 hit on country radio this year. And, only two have put albums in the top albums on the top of the chart this year. How embarrassing! There's more: 5 have lost their major label record deal. 1 has been formally kicked out of the country music family. Case in point: while this award is supposed to show who the next superstar is going to be, it really is nothing more than a "feel of the moment, who's Kool-aid is the CMA drinking today?" award. Only two artists have gone on to sell more than 10 million records. Most of these acts can't even sell 100,000 copies today. And yet the biggest names in today's country music scene (Shania, Faith, Tim, Toby) never took home this trophy. But that's not too surprising, now is it? Shania lost "Female" to Patty Loveless (1996) and Martina McBride (1999). The best selling country album ever was nominated for "Album," but lost to Everywhere from Tim McGraw. The last time Shania was nominated for a CMA was 2005 (for "Party For Two" as "Event") and before that 1999. Between 2002 and 2005, she had sold more records than any other country artist and had the top country tour (#3 all-genre), won several BMI Awards, played the Superbowl and Oprah, and been awarded the Order of Canada. But she didn't get "Entertainer" nor "Female." So be careful when looking at the CMA Awards. They are respectable (to a point) and I'm not saying that the winners haven't been deserving. I just don't wholeheartedly believe the Awards are always true to their meaning. And I could list other examples of this that don't cite Twain. You make some good points, but I think it's a bit much to act like some of them weren't deserving winners because they haven't had a recent hit. Most of those artists carved out a decent country career, even if they aren't big now. Also, how many artists from the early 90s are still having hits? It's not like Shania has had a hit in awhile ;) Also, I think you're giving a bit too much weight to sales. Just because something was the biggest-selling doesn't automatically mean it should win. The CMAs aren't a sales-based award like the Billboard Music Awards, nor are they a fan-voted award like the AMAs.
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Post by drock89 on Nov 17, 2008 10:55:43 GMT -5
No, you're right, the CMAs are "butt-kissing" based most of the times. The "Female" of the year is based on vocal performance, record performance, and "other factors." Well you can't tell me that, in some years, Faith/Shania/Reba didn't trump Martina. Sure, Martina will almost always have better vocal performances. But it's not always in the screaming.. I don't know, I just feel like in the last few years the CMA has lost a bit of credibility in my eyes because of some of their blatantly biased choices.
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Post by Todd on Nov 17, 2008 11:40:04 GMT -5
There was a time, not too many years ago, that the award for instrumentalist of the year was presented during the telecast. The nominees got to perform as well, albeit as one group performance, and along with a popular singer who didn't happen to be a nominee that year.
A while back, I was watching an old awards broadcast where Roger Miller was inducted into the hall of fame. I timed it and the entire segment lasted about 13 minutes and several artists performed a medley of his hits. It was very nicely done. I wish it was still done that way.
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Post by Lee on Nov 17, 2008 13:15:52 GMT -5
There was a time, not too many years ago, that the award for instrumentalist of the year was presented during the telecast. The nominees got to perform as well, albeit as one group performance, and along with a popular singer who didn't happen to be a nominee that year. A while back, I was watching an old awards broadcast where Roger Miller was inducted into the hall of fame. I timed it and the entire segment lasted about 13 minutes and several artists performed a medley of his hits. It was very nicely done. I wish it was still done that way. Agreed. The emphasis of the telecast has really changed.
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Post by kw9461 on Nov 17, 2008 13:56:53 GMT -5
A very short rant about the "Horizon" Award: here's the last 14 years: 1990 - Garth Brooks 1991 - Travis Tritt 1992 - Suzy Bogguss 1993 - Mark Chesnut 1994 - John Michael Montgomery 1995 - Alison Krauss 1996 - Bryan White 1997 - LeAnn Rimes 1998 - Dixie Chicks 1999 - Jo Dee Messina 2000 - Brad Paisley On this list, only two artists have had a top 10 hit on country radio this year. And, only two have put albums in the top albums on the top of the chart this year. How embarrassing! I understand your logic, but it seems to me that that's a pretty impressive list, sans Suzy Bogguss. Even if you exclude Garth and Brad, the only two real superstars on the list, you still have artists that managed 37 #1 singles, and 35 platinum selling records (17 of those multi-platinum). While the majority of those artists are not currently successful, they did have very productive careers. After all, the voters aren't fortune tellers. There's no way to predict which artist is still going to be successful 10-15 years down the line. Toby only had modest success the first 6-7 years of his career, the same was essentially true for Kenny, and even Tim and Shania weren't overnight sensations, it took multiple albums for them to really stake their place in the industry. Besides, since 2000 the Horizon award winners read like a "who's who" of Nashville. Brad Paisley, Keith Urban, Rascal Flatts, and Carrie Underwood have all become superstars since winning the award, and artists such as Dierks Bentley, Joe Nichols, and Taylor Swift have had successful careers thus far. The only winner since 2000 that is currently struggling is Gretchen Wilson, and she had a very strong, albeit short, run at the top of the country music world.
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Post by what on Nov 17, 2008 16:27:07 GMT -5
A very short rant about the "Horizon" Award: here's the last 14 years: 1990 - Garth Brooks 1991 - Travis Tritt 1992 - Suzy Bogguss 1993 - Mark Chesnut 1994 - John Michael Montgomery 1995 - Alison Krauss 1996 - Bryan White 1997 - LeAnn Rimes 1998 - Dixie Chicks 1999 - Jo Dee Messina 2000 - Brad Paisley On this list, only two artists have had a top 10 hit on country radio this year. And, only two have put albums in the top albums on the top of the chart this year. How embarrassing! I understand your logic, but it seems to me that that's a pretty impressive list, sans Suzy Bogguss. Even if you exclude Garth and Brad, the only two real superstars on the list, you still have artists that managed 37 #1 singles, and 35 platinum selling records (17 of those multi-platinum). While the majority of those artists are not currently successful, they did have very productive careers. After all, the voters aren't fortune tellers. There's no way to predict which artist is still going to be successful 10-15 years down the line. Toby only had modest success the first 6-7 years of his career, the same was essentially true for Kenny, and even Tim and Shania weren't overnight sensations, it took multiple albums for them to really stake their place in the industry. Besides, since 2000 the Horizon award winners read like a "who's who" of Nashville. Brad Paisley, Keith Urban, Rascal Flatts, and Carrie Underwood have all become superstars since winning the award, and artists such as Dierks Bentley, Joe Nichols, and Taylor Swift have had successful careers thus far. The only winner since 2000 that is currently struggling is Gretchen Wilson, and she had a very strong, albeit short, run at the top of the country music world. i agree. plus, even if theyre not superstars in the ordinary sense of the word, the likes of leanne, allison and the dixie chicks have had decent to great careers, and are still very much active although obviously not in a carrie underwood or kenny chesney level. and no one can really argue against these artists in terms of them deserving the award during the time they won it. and these artists have more than enough talent to justify winning the award. leanne really did breakthrough in 1997 and is still considered as one of the best female country vocalists. allison, i believe, is the winningest country artist in grammy's history (anyone can feel free to correct me), and has done unbelievable and amazing projects in working behind-the-scenes as well (being a producer,collaborations, etc.), and no one can deny the impact the dixie chicks have on country music, whether or not you sway on one side or the other. imo, it's not only the numbers or commercial success that justifies whether an artist deserved that award or not. not everyone will sell taylor swift like numbers, but they can still manage to have great careers and get recognitions for their work. i mean, you can't define if an artist or his body of work is great or not solely on commercial success (sales, hit singles, etc.) and if they achieved worldwide superstar status. i agree voters are not fortune tellers. i'm of a firm believer that best new artist awards, in any awards show, are a crapshoot anyway. milli vannili, anyone? you really can't say that an artist will be successful if they win a bna award and label them as a bust later on when they didnt go on to be successful. the operative word is "new" anyway. they were the best during that field of nominees when theyre new. but what they do after they breakthrough is an entirely different story.
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Post by flattlinesnoodle on Nov 17, 2008 20:07:16 GMT -5
When it comes to award shows, I take for granted the sound isn't going to be that great. And even though the Flatts sound like crap all the time on award shows, I missed them performing. I'm glad they won-- but I like all the nominees (minus the Eagles which I really don't get). But if the Eagles perform, I think both Emerson Drive and Little Big Town should too-- legends or not. They should have at least gotten presentation slots.
Speaking of the Flatts -- leave it to Jay to wear something that people will notice you for-- and then mention it on TV. I'd like to see him host one year. I'm not sure about the other two-- but Jay would be interesting.
Speaking of, I didn't think Brad and Carrie did a bad job. I think Brad is funnier when its not scripted. Both he and Blake Shelton have an off sense of humor that is quick. I'm not sure how Jay DeMarcus would be scripted.
I do have to say (even as a fan) though that Emerson Drive this year was basically a "Warren Brothers" type nominee. They had no success at radio and too bad touring non-stop doesn't give them some kind of edge. They should have scored a performance slot last year-- but hopefully (and I say that with all fingers and toes crossed) that they will have some success before next year's awards.
That goes for any other nominees -- Paisley and Urban did not need two songs. Pick one or the other. Give someone else 3 minutes to shine.
I wasn't impressed with "Start a Band" and I like the song. The guitar work was good though.
Apparently Taylor is all visual and she did knock the visual out of the park. She is still a teenager and a good majority of her buyers are teens (and younger) so I get the Disney thing. Lyric Street is probably wishing they had done that, lol.
I think Carrie did awesome-- didn't need any fancy background or visuals. The intro of the song was heartbreaking--but hopeful-- but even without it, I thought she did a great job.
I thought a lot of the background vocalists mics were up too high.
It was nice to see the softer side of Miranda. And Martina's vocal quality alone makes her great to listen to.
Shania did look great-- and looks like she's doing well. I'm curious to see if she is going to keep her "sound" or try something different when she is set to return.
Rodney's song was very Rodney and I think it works for him.
Strait's song was catchy. I'm not sure it's one I'll like but its nice to see that he's been doing this for years and is still having a ball.
I like Lady A-- I thought they were great and it was nice to see them and Darius Rucker up there. I thought both performances were great.
I really like the Kid Rock song-- I can take him or leave him though.
Honestly I was doing other things while listening to a lot of the awards. I really like B&D/Reba singing together but I don't really remember much about the performance other than the entrance and Reba's solo.
All I remember from Kellie Pickler is her walking down the stairs-- and that outfit and saying 'what the heck is she wearing?' I guess she's another one like Taylor Swift -- all about the visuals. I suppose it worked for her-- but was it in a good way or a bad way? I'd like to get her new CD though-- I have yet to do that.
I think they should have let Jimmy Wayne sing too-- but maybe next year.
I liked Julianne's dress-- I think it fit her.
Was it just me or were the Aussies (Nicole and Hugh) and Reese Witherspoon just out of their element? They all seemed like they were ready for Nashville to eat them up. Maybe it was just nerves or the mess up of the teleprompter (which I've seen slow people down at other award shows). I like Nicole Kidman-- but either she is reserved or just not sure what to do at these award shows. One would think it would give her more breathing room at a show like this so to speak than the high profile red carpet stuff that she has to do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 21:24:27 GMT -5
Also, how many artists from the early 90s are still having hits? It's not like Shania has had a hit in awhile ;) Also, I think you're giving a bit too much weight to sales. Just because something was the biggest-selling doesn't automatically mean it should win. The CMAs aren't a sales-based award like the Billboard Music Awards, nor are they a fan-voted award like the AMAs. Jenglisbe I agree with you that sales should not guarantee a win and that the CMAs are not a sales-based award show. However, if it's written in the eligibility rules that Sales, Touring, Singles success, and Media Exposure count for an award (or awards) like some CMA rules state, the leader in all of those areas should at least get Nominated for those awards and win the awards that he/she qualifies for. That has not happened for Shania, even during her most successful times. Shania hasn't had a hit single in a while, but she did have Hit singles, albums, and tours when she was snubbed by the CMA in years past during the "TWIM," "COO," and "Up!" eras. Example: When the CMA nominations came out during the "Up!" era of Shania's career, she got nothing (not FVOTY, Album, EOTY, or even Video of the Year) when she led the industry in Touring, Sales, and other areas. This is Shania's entire CMA history: 2005 - Musical Event of the Year - "Party For Two" (Shania Twain w/ Billy Currington) 1999 - Entertainer of the Year [Winner - Her only CMA Award.]1999 - Female Vocalist of the Year 1998 - Album of the Year - COME ON OVER - Mercury Nashville 1996 - Female Vocalist of the Year 1996 - Horizon Award 1996 - Song of the Year - "Any Man Of Mine" (Shania Twain and R.J. Lange) 1995 - Horizon Award 1995 - Single of the Year - "Any Man Of Mine" - Mercury Nashville 1995 - Music Video of the Year - "Any Man Of Mine" (directed by Charley Randazzo)
Shania's not the only person in the industry to get snubbed by the CMA throughout the years, but she's a good example to use if you want to point out the obvious flaws with the CMA Awards. That's the reason Shania's situation is brought up so often in discussions. It's very obvious something is wrong when you look at the amount of success she's had throughout the years and then look at her CMA nomination/win information. She's one of the most successful artists (male/female/group/duo) in the Country industry, but she has the same number of CMA trophies as... Andy Griffith. (I don't mean to take anything away from Andy by saying that. IMO, that Video trophy was deserved.) Obviously that's not due to a lack of success or the "pop crossover" problem. (If that "pop crossover" issue were true and that issue was handled fairly, many artists like Rascal Flatts, Faith, Martina, and others would not have been showered with awards for doing the same thing that Shania did.)
The problem is that clearly the rules of eligibility are not being followed and other factors (industry friends?...a big label push?...being a beloved industry veteran?) are determining the nominees and winners.
Vocal ability is always a subjective thing, but facts are facts. When you lead the industry in Touring, Sales, Singles success, Media Exposure, etc. and you don't get nominated for anything when the eligibility rules say you should......that clearly shows that something is not right.
People can judge for themselves by going to the official CMA Database and seeing all of the Nominees and Winners from 1967 - 2008.
As for Shania's future, she may get another CMA nomination and win in her career. She may not. Hopefully she will...and hopefully it will be because of her accomplishments instead of the other factors I mentioned.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Nov 17, 2008 21:39:08 GMT -5
However, if it's written in the eligibility rules that Sales, Touring, Singles success, and Media Exposure count for an award (or awards) like some CMA rules state, the leader in all of those areas should at least get Nominated for those awards and win the awards that he/she qualifies for. Do some CMA rules explicitly note the importance of sales and singles success? I haven't seen it in the Female Vocalist of the Year criteria, for example. I know the ACM rules do lay out some minimum thresholds for commercial success to determine eligibility. But I haven't seen much indicating what the CMA's criteria for voting are. The only thing I've seen from the CMA on FVotY is from this 2001 press release, and it suggests that the quality of individual musical performance is intended to be paramount:And here is Calvin Gilbert of CMT.com quoting the criteria for Entertainer of the Year:Once again, the criteria emphasizes skill, not commercial success.
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