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Post by weaver on Apr 25, 2010 17:41:21 GMT -5
First of all, I think maybe you already had a strong opinion about this before you even started the poll, some I'm not sure what the point is. It feels a little trollish to me, I have to be honest.
That said, relevance is a sliding scale, it's not like an on/off switch. Mariah is not as "relevant" in pop music right now as she has been at other points. But is she irrelevant? No.
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Post by weaver on Apr 25, 2010 17:44:13 GMT -5
Mariah Carey was not 41 years old when people wrote her off after Glitter. Now she's in her 40's and pushing 200 lbs. The potential is not as great. She will probably spend the next 20 years or so between 200 and 250 lbs singing All I Want For Christmas on Christmas specials and performing at small one night only clubs aimed at middle aged people. I"m sorry, but in my opinion you're crossing the line here. Unfounded and unnecessary.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 25, 2010 17:49:20 GMT -5
Somebody is clearly pressed.... Yes, Mariah is still relevant. As stated, she just had a hit song this year and close to 500K people bought her album. Is she nearly as popular as she way throughout most of the 90s, 2005? Obviously not. Is she irrelevant? Not at all.
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Post by neally on Apr 25, 2010 17:49:32 GMT -5
Of course she is. Mariah arguably has (at least one of) the biggest catalogue of hits in the past 20 years, her last about 1.5 years ago, a roller-coaster of a career, filled with loads of personal and professional drama.
All of those points will never allow her huge star power to be forgotten, therefore I think Mariah Carey will be relevant for many years to come.
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Post by neverduplicated on Apr 25, 2010 17:52:07 GMT -5
No one said "Hero" wasn't classic, boo. This is a recurring theme. Put words in the mouths of people you disagree with in order to make it sound like you're the one who is right. No one said Hero isn't a classic but it's one of Mariah's few memorable songs. The point is that Mariah Carey has had 18 #1 hits and a slew of other hits and she and her fans pride themselves on all those hits yet the only ones that are really remembered are probably Vision of Love, Hero, All I Want For Christmas and maybe We Belong Together. That one was still very recent and very big to really be able to decide the fate of that one yet. One Sweet Day was absolutely enormous and the biggest hit of the 90's yet is basically forgotten now. Having such a lack of memorable songs is going to help her slip into irrelevancy much quicker. Whereas someone like Madonna can continue to perform her catalog of pop classics, there aren't too many songs that people are going to be dying to hear Mariah perform in the next 20 years after her radio career has deteriorated. I don't know who you've been polling, but Mariah has more memorable hits than those - Vision of Love, Emotions, I'll Be There, Hero, Without You, All I Want For Christmas is You, Fantasy, One Sweet Day, Always Be My Baby, My All, Heartbreaker, We Belong Together, Touch My Body - all of these songs are well known today and receive a fair amount of recurrent airplay. Just because Mariah's had more #1 hits than she has classics doesn't mean that all of her songs have been forgotten. In some ways I wish didn't have so many #1's so people wouldn't bring up that stupid argument. A classic is a classic regardless of how many #1's Mariah has. Even if Mariah had sold half of the albums she has and had half the #1's she has, she's still a legend and she's still relevant today. And it's also silly to compare Mariah to Madonna because we all know Madonna is the female artist who has had the biggest impact on pop culture and who has had the most memorable and classic hits. By that comparison, no female artist is relevant except for Madonna which obviously isn't true. Using that same logic we could say Madonna is irrelevant because the Beatles have so many more classics.
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Post by NeRD on Apr 25, 2010 18:39:18 GMT -5
Someone is reaching..
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Post by Ace on Apr 25, 2010 19:22:53 GMT -5
Looks like jazzytroll fled the scene when s/he saw the poll numbers...
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Post by dbt88 on Apr 25, 2010 19:33:40 GMT -5
She still is, and will always be. She is at the point of her career where she doesn't need to be competing anymore, being in the business for 2 decades now. I still commend her for trying to churn out hits among the younger generation of divas, although I can't say its doing anything good to her catalogue
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 19:40:16 GMT -5
Nobody can truly be relevant forever. Even some of the most successful acts of all time like Paul McCartney and Aretha Franklin who were very successful for decades are not really relevant anymore.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 25, 2010 19:46:27 GMT -5
Nobody can truly be relevant forever. Even some of the most successful acts of all time like Paul McCartney and Aretha Franklin who were very successful for decades are not really relevant anymore. Clarify this statement. I'm not understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 19:48:31 GMT -5
What don't you understand? Mariah will not be relevant forever. No artist has managed to stay relevant forever. It doesn't matter what she accomplished in the past. When you're not getting played on the radio, on TV, and people aren't really buying your albums anymore, you're irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you had hits for 30 years.
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Post by dbt88 on Apr 25, 2010 19:51:59 GMT -5
I think CERTAIN FEW artist who reach the point of their career where they have accomplished so much will always be relevant afterwards. They will always be cited for comparisons just like Madonna and Michael Jackson
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Apr 25, 2010 19:53:33 GMT -5
What don't you understand? Mariah will not be relevant forever. No artist has managed to stay relevant forever. It doesn't matter what she accomplished in the past. When you're not getting played on the radio, on TV, and people aren't really buying your albums anymore, you're irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you had hits for 30 years. Do you think Stevie Wonder is irrelevant?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 19:54:40 GMT -5
What don't you understand? Mariah will not be relevant forever. No artist has managed to stay relevant forever. It doesn't matter what she accomplished in the past. When you're not getting played on the radio, on TV, and people aren't really buying your albums anymore, you're irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you had hits for 30 years. Do you think Stevie Wonder is irrelevant? Yes. He may have accomplished a lot in the past, but he put out an album about 5 years ago and had no hits and the album hardly sold anything. You can be a legend and still be irrelevant to the current music scene.
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Apr 25, 2010 19:58:22 GMT -5
Do you think Stevie Wonder is irrelevant? Yes. He may have accomplished a lot in the past, but he put out an album about 5 years ago and had no hits and the album hardly sold anything. You can be a legend and still be irrelevant to the current music scene. But when you have current artists covering your songs, performing tributes for you or even performing with you, you have to hold some kind of relevance. Stevie Wonder may not be topping any charts, nor does he have to, but irrelevant he is not. Irrelevancy is when people don't care about you one way or another. While Mariah is not totally relevant as far as topping charts, she is not totally irrelevant.
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Post by Stephen on Apr 25, 2010 20:03:58 GMT -5
I disagree. An artist can be irrelevant even if their catalog lives on. At some point down the line, an artist and their catalog aren't as intertwined anymore. (This is in response to the Stevie Wonder comment.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 20:05:05 GMT -5
I disagree. An artist can be irrelevant even if their catalog lives on. At some point down the line, an artist and their catalog aren't as intertwined anymore. (This is in response to the Stevie Wonder comment.) This.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 25, 2010 20:06:59 GMT -5
What don't you understand? Mariah will not be relevant forever. No artist has managed to stay relevant forever. It doesn't matter what she accomplished in the past. When you're not getting played on the radio, on TV, and people aren't really buying your albums anymore, you're irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you had hits for 30 years. I think that's ridiculous. Would you argue that Mozart and Beethoven are irrelevant to people/music because they haven't had a hit in around 200 years? Sounds kind of silly to me. That is what I don't understand.
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Apr 25, 2010 20:10:01 GMT -5
What don't you understand? Mariah will not be relevant forever. No artist has managed to stay relevant forever. It doesn't matter what she accomplished in the past. When you're not getting played on the radio, on TV, and people aren't really buying your albums anymore, you're irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you had hits for 30 years. I think that's ridiculous. Would you argue that Mozart and Beethoven are irrelevant to people/music because they haven't had a hit in around 200 years? Sounds kind of silly to me. That is what I don't understand. Exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 20:12:29 GMT -5
What don't you understand? Mariah will not be relevant forever. No artist has managed to stay relevant forever. It doesn't matter what she accomplished in the past. When you're not getting played on the radio, on TV, and people aren't really buying your albums anymore, you're irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you had hits for 30 years. I think that's ridiculous. Would you argue that Mozart and Beethoven are irrelevant to people/music because they haven't had a hit in around 200 years? Sounds kind of silly to me. That is what I don't understand. They are absolutely irrelevant to the current music scene.
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Apr 25, 2010 20:13:05 GMT -5
I think that's ridiculous. Would you argue that Mozart and Beethoven are irrelevant to people/music because they haven't had a hit in around 200 years? Sounds kind of silly to me. That is what I don't understand. They are absolutely irrelevant to the current music scene. No, they are not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 20:14:32 GMT -5
Yes they are. Mozart and Beethoven are not out there competing with GaGa and Rihanna. They are dead for hundreds of years. They are not relevant to what's popular right now.
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Apr 25, 2010 20:16:40 GMT -5
Mozart and Beethoven are still heavily mentioned today, thus making relevant in some sort of way. What you are talking about is chart success, which is only one facet of relevancy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 20:18:04 GMT -5
Mozart and Beethoven WISH they were as relevant as Rihanna and Beyonce
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Post by weaver on Apr 25, 2010 20:18:32 GMT -5
It's a silly argument at this point- how are we defining relevance? Are we talking about relevance in a "what's big in pop music now" way, or in an influence way?
The Beatles, to me, are relevant because without them pop music would be quite different, or perhaps wouldn't exist.
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Apr 25, 2010 20:19:27 GMT -5
Mozart and Beethoven WISH they were as relevant as Rihanna and Beyonce Well, they're dead. I doubt they are worried about competing with Rihanna and Beyonce. And no one said they were as relevant as those two. Stop reaching.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2010 20:20:56 GMT -5
I don't see Beethoven on Billboard. I don't see Beethoven on MTV. I don't hear the kids talking about the hottest Beethoven songs. I don't hear Beethoven at the clubs. Beethoven is IRRELEVANT!
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Apr 25, 2010 20:22:20 GMT -5
Like I said, you are talking only one aspect of relevancy. Maybe you should change the title of the thread to "Is Mariah still relevant on the charts" or something.
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Post by weaver on Apr 25, 2010 20:23:27 GMT -5
I don't see Beethoven on Billboard. I don't see Beethoven on MTV. I don't hear the kids talking about the hottest Beethoven songs. I don't hear Beethoven at the clubs. Beethoven is IRRELEVANT! In your very specific, chart oriented idea of relevance, yes, Beethoven is irrelevent.
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Post by weaver on Apr 25, 2010 20:25:09 GMT -5
Mozart and Beethoven WISH they were as relevant as Rihanna and Beyonce
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