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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 21:35:56 GMT -5
BEP :'(
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Post by slicknickshady on Dec 2, 2010 21:54:02 GMT -5
Nice Sales. I think Eminem will do between 35-40K.
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Post by leoapp on Dec 2, 2010 22:17:22 GMT -5
Mariah & Xtina holding up very well! at BEP first weeks sales. Reminds me of Bionic first week sales. They deserve it because they have released trashes. Because of too much Will and less Fergie. They must learn to make great music again. No more electro pop! Back to rap/hip hop like their first 2 albums! Or just let Fergie go solo again! She can be way more successful than Will.
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Post by jams on Dec 2, 2010 23:28:54 GMT -5
I thought BEP were a shoo-in for at least 200k, The Time isn't flopping as bad as everyone thought so I don't think the lead single has much to do wth it. It was just way too soon to release another album especially when the fans are used to breaks from BEP. Plus I think as someone mentioned people are tired of will.I.am, if the other group members were allowed to shine a little more (especially Fergie, people may not like her but she sells albums) it would generate more interest in the group. I'm interested to see how the album performs internationally since BEP is bigger outside the states. I actually don't think people dislike Fergie, and but I do agree people are tired of will i am. And if you look at the writing credits, more and more the songs are written by Will and Apl, as if he is trying to take off more like a solo artist and not depend on Fergie as much. I do think it's interesting that Fergie was honored as Billboard's woman of the year, but Will did not fly back for the award ceremony, yet her other two bandmates did and also introduced her. Will is the one who produced her CD and is the leader of the BEP, and it just seemed tacky of him not to be there. I think sadly, will's ego got bruised by Fergie's solo success and his failure and it's drivig how he is producing their cd's by having her on less than before and also just not even making an appearance at something pretty important. I think his attitude is what has caused bad decisions to be made about their music and cd releases.
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Post by d.t.m on Dec 3, 2010 2:41:44 GMT -5
From what I've been told Will can't stand Fergie, but she is a big reason why they're successful now.
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Post by jams on Dec 3, 2010 6:56:41 GMT -5
From what I've been told Will can't stand Fergie, but she is a big reason why they're successful now. I don't think he dislikes Fergie, but there is a huge difference in how he is with her since she went solo. I really think Fergie became the darling of their people at interscope since they became a big group after she joined, and she also was a big solo success, at the same time Wil flopped as a solo artist. I remember him being super supportive of her when she went solo , until he flopped. Then her didn't even sit with her at the AMAs when she won. It almost seems like he is out to prove he doesn't need her as much and basically make solo albums but under the BEP name. Beyond that, it was just a dumb move to release another album this fast, and he should have thought before taking a beloved song and basically turning it into a way to showcase Apl in a rap, and use that as the lead single. It could have worked if it was more centered on Fergie, and also less autotuned, along with good lyrics. I do hear the Time is a huge club hit, and really most if the CD is like that, and I think non- stop club bangers get tiring. They used actually make music that had real lyrics, and also at times showed a social conscience. They needed to wait and go back to that.
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Post by Nadia on Dec 3, 2010 7:18:43 GMT -5
Fergie needs ditch the BEP and slay everyone once again :'(
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Post by grouper6 on Dec 3, 2010 7:39:46 GMT -5
Wow. The Burlesque OST is holding up well. :) Kanye's and Nicki are having a big drop. I'd like to see what their 3rd and 4h week are. Will they be consistent or constantly drop. Subo continues to snatch wigs!! Not surprised about BET, this album is too soon, no time to be missed.
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Post by folkfan on Dec 3, 2010 8:49:40 GMT -5
They should have a big drop, with their second week being the week after Black Friday. If they weren't on the high side of the traditional second week drop, it would be surprising.
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Post by maria4hitz on Dec 3, 2010 9:00:12 GMT -5
^^ Wow at four things: 1. Peas extremely low debut for any sales quarter, let alone Q4 2. Kayne's potential 70+% drop from debut week (of course during Black Friday) to this week 3. Taylor's extremely impressive sales without a strong single in high rotation4. The potentially consistent sales of 'Burlesque' That's true. Her new single Back to december is #21 on country radio and #46 on pop. It's impressive she's selling like this, but even more impressive when you think she hasn't had a hit from this album yet, not even Mine.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 3, 2010 9:08:59 GMT -5
Not even "Mine"? Just because a track doesn't hit No. 1 or even top 5 in airplay doesn't mean it's not a hit. "Mine" reached top 10 on Hot 100 Airplay and spent a decent amount of time in the top 20 on the Hot 100- that's a hit. :)
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Post by worldwide on Dec 3, 2010 9:12:25 GMT -5
Mine was a moderate hit.
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Post by maria4hitz on Dec 3, 2010 9:28:54 GMT -5
Not even "Mine"? Just because a track doesn't hit No. 1 or even top 5 in airplay doesn't mean it's not a hit. "Mine" reached top 10 on Hot 100 Airplay and spent a decent amount of time in the top 20 on the Hot 100- that's a hit. :) Let me put it like this: It wasn't nowhere near as big as LS or YBWM. And those songs sold Fearless imo. This time Mine wasn't HUGE and the album is still doing amazing. I can't imagine Speak Now's sales with a hit single on the radio.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 3, 2010 9:29:03 GMT -5
Yes- not every track is going to perform like "Love Story" or "You Belong With Me."
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Post by badrobot on Dec 3, 2010 11:16:09 GMT -5
I don't really think BEP doing poorly right now has anything to do with Fergie not being featured. I think this forum is female-centric and thus would rather have some sort of diva singing everything, but The END was huge and most of the singles were not heavily featuring Fergie. In fact, the only one with a full Fergie chorus ("Meet Me Halfway") was one of the least successful singles.
I think BEP is not doing well because the song is just a mess. Boom Boom Pow actually sounded pretty fresh and I Gotta Feeling was basically one rousing chorus repeated over and over again for 5 minutes -- both making a big impact. I think "The Time" is just plain confusing to everyone.
Basically, it doesn't matter if it's Fergie or will.i.am singing -- it matters if the song is actually well-written and well-produced. And "The Time" is not either.
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Post by Minor Scratch on Dec 3, 2010 16:16:52 GMT -5
I think this 4Q has proved that you don't need a hit single to sell a record at all. And a big artist having a huge hit single doesn't translate into big sales. Kanye, Nicki, and Taylor have all had moderate to no hits off their albums and still sold big. Susan Boyle and Jackie Evancho are having barely any sales on iTunes or garnering any radio airplay for their records but are selling like crazy. Everyone I know actually likse 'The Dirty Bit'. I have barely hear any complaints from casual listener or BEP fans alike. When the video or song trends on my Facebook, it gets a zillion likes. I just don't think anyone wants a full album of BEP's music considering it all gets overplayed to death. And if they really do want the track, they will purchase the ones they like off iTunes. Who really spins their whole 'The END' album now without skipping BBP or IGF anyway? No one wants to make a stupid purchase like that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 16:47:19 GMT -5
^ The thing is that Kanye, Nicki, Taylor, Jackie and Subo are just the type of artists that don't need hit singles to sell at this point. There are still artists like BEP that need hits to sell.
Taylor, Jackie and Subo have the type of hype around them that doesn't require a single...Kanye has a strong fanbase so he will always have a good first week but I still think he requires a hit single to go much further beyond just the first week. His team really has to get the ball rolling properly singles-wise for the momentum to keep up, same with Nicki who I'm really worried might not hold up well in the long run.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 16:50:42 GMT -5
And people will buy a full album of BEP's music (evident by their last album), this era was just horribly handled. "The Time" isn't that popular atm and the album was released too soon after it dropped for any buzz or hype to be created. Especially since the single is the type that probably takes time to grow on people, they should have allowed at least 2 months before dropping the album...not 2-3 weeks.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 3, 2010 16:55:01 GMT -5
BEP figured it would release "The Time" to coincide with Jennifer Grey on Dancing with the Stars. Imagine if they had performed it on the show. hehe
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Post by tsw2008 on Dec 3, 2010 17:23:39 GMT -5
"The thing is that Kanye, Nicki, Taylor, Jackie and Subo are just the type of artists that don't need hit singles to sell at this point."
They don't. And what do they have in common ? they are not "pop stars".
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 3, 2010 17:32:35 GMT -5
Well, anyone who achieves a certain level of success is categorized as a "pop star," whether they like it or not. Of all of those, Swift is the one with the most pop-radio appeal.
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Post by slw84 on Dec 3, 2010 17:35:51 GMT -5
Susan Boyle's The Gift returns to the top spot next week as Steve Barnett's Team Columbia is poised for a possible three titles in the Top 5, and four in the Top 10. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend: Susan Boyle (Columbia) 275-300k Snatching wigs just because...I love it. Kanye West (Roc-a-Fella/IDJ) 130-140k Platinum plus by year end Nicki Minaj (YM/Cash Money/Universal Motown) 110-120k I was hoping she could go platinum by year end but looks like it will be about 750-800k by years end. *Black Eyed Peas (Interscope) 105-115k a crying shame :'( Rihanna (Def Jam/IDJ) 65-75k This will go gold by but sell 650k by year end hopefully Mariah Carey (Island/IDJ) 55-60k hopefully it goes gold by January ...the rest don't matter
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Post by Black Jesus on Dec 3, 2010 17:37:33 GMT -5
Glad BEP isn't debuting high. I'm sorry but their new song is just terrible...and I wasn't very fond of much of their last album either.
Also, Billboard named Fergie as Billboards Woman of the Year for 2010. Like...wtf??
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Post by slw84 on Dec 3, 2010 17:40:27 GMT -5
I thought BEP were a shoo-in for at least 200k, The Time isn't flopping as bad as everyone thought so I don't think the lead single has much to do wth it. It was just way too soon to release another album especially when the fans are used to breaks from BEP. Plus I think as someone mentioned people are tired of will.I.am, if the other group members were allowed to shine a little more (especially Fergie, people may not like her but she sells albums) it would generate more interest in the group. I'm interested to see how the album performs internationally since BEP is bigger outside the states. I actually don't think people dislike Fergie, and but I do agree people are tired of will i am. And if you look at the writing credits, more and more the songs are written by Will and Apl, as if he is trying to take off more like a solo artist and not depend on Fergie as much. I do think it's interesting that Fergie was honored as Billboard's woman of the year, but Will did not fly back for the award ceremony, yet her other two bandmates did and also introduced her. Will is the one who produced her CD and is the leader of the BEP, and it just seemed tacky of him not to be there. I think sadly, will's ego got bruised by Fergie's solo success and his failure and it's drivig how he is producing their cd's by having her on less than before and also just not even making an appearance at something pretty important. I think his attitude is what has caused bad decisions to be made about their music and cd releases. Girl, Preach...I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees this. Fergie needs to go solo now. It's done. They should have left with The E.N.D. funny because the END sold well but the Beginning is off to a rocky start...is this symbolism and irony all in one.
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 3, 2010 18:01:02 GMT -5
I think this 4Q has proved that you don't need a hit single to sell a record at all. And a big artist having a huge hit single doesn't translate into big sales. Kanye, Nicki, and Taylor have all had moderate to no hits off their albums and still sold big. Susan Boyle and Jackie Evancho are having barely any sales on iTunes or garnering any radio airplay for their records but are selling like crazy. Everyone I know actually likse 'The Dirty Bit'. I have barely hear any complaints from casual listener or BEP fans alike. When the video or song trends on my Facebook, it gets a zillion likes. I just don't think anyone wants a full album of BEP's music considering it all gets overplayed to death. And if they really do want the track, they will purchase the ones they like off iTunes. Who really spins their whole 'The END' album now without skipping BBP or IGF anyway? No one wants to make a stupid purchase like that. taylor had a hit that went top 10 on three formats and number 3 on the hot 100. it also went top 20 on a 4th format. nicki had your love which got minor pop love, and spent a crazy amount of weeks on the top of the rap chart. check it out also got some minor pop love, and right thru me is rising.
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 3, 2010 18:01:43 GMT -5
Glad BEP isn't debuting high. I'm sorry but their new song is just terrible...and I wasn't very fond of much of their last album either. Also, Billboard named Fergie as Billboards Woman of the Year for 2010. Like...wtf?? She rocked Beautiful Dangerous & Gettin Over You, since im not fond of the new BEP album, i look forward to Fergie's features of 2011
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Post by neverduplicated on Dec 3, 2010 18:38:49 GMT -5
Well, anyone who achieves a certain level of success is categorized as a "pop star," whether they like it or not. Of all of those, Swift is the one with the most pop-radio appeal. Maybe at the moment, but overall I think Kanye has had a lot more success on pop radio than Taylor. Other than "Love Story" and "You Belong With Me," Taylor hasn't done that great on pop radio whereas Kanye has had several hits on pop radio. Minaj has yet to have a big pop hit, though, and I don't think we'll be seeing Subo have any radio hit in the future.
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Post by fridayteenage on Dec 3, 2010 18:40:58 GMT -5
Noteworthy possibilities: Taylor 6>Kanye 2 Glee Christmas>Glee Vol 4 Jackie Evancho 3>Nicki 2>BEP 1
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 3, 2010 19:22:55 GMT -5
Well, anyone who achieves a certain level of success is categorized as a "pop star," whether they like it or not. Of all of those, Swift is the one with the most pop-radio appeal. Maybe at the moment, but overall I think Kanye has had a lot more success on pop radio than Taylor. Other than "Love Story" and "You Belong With Me," Taylor hasn't done that great on pop radio whereas Kanye has had several hits on pop radio. Minaj has yet to have a big pop hit, though, and I don't think we'll be seeing Subo have any radio hit in the future. both taylor and kanye have had 6 songs go top 20 on chr
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2010 10:48:11 GMT -5
Well, anyone who achieves a certain level of success is categorized as a "pop star," whether they like it or not. Of all of those, Swift is the one with the most pop-radio appeal. True but she's at the point where she doesn't even need that to sell. Her persona is what is selling her. Just like (to a much lesser extent) the Disney fads that pop up like Jonas Brothers or Miley Cyrus...they didn't need hit songs to sell because they had the type of fanbase that would go crazy for them regardless. Taylor has that times 10, plus country fans who are already loyal.
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