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Post by passionformusic on Jan 9, 2011 13:51:05 GMT -5
I think when such authorities in music such as Bon Jovi compare her to Loretta Lynn, you must have a shot at staying relevant for longer than your regular/ordinary pop star. But then again, he could be wrong.
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Post by slw84 on Jan 9, 2011 17:13:01 GMT -5
I expect Taylor's album sales to go down a lot in about 2 years. When most of her fans have turned 17 and have moved on with their lives. In 1985, people said the SAME THING about a singer named Madonna! and in 1999 the same thing was said about Britney...just sayin ;)
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Post by slw84 on Jan 9, 2011 17:15:53 GMT -5
I agree except as sales decline there is bound to be another competitor that will begin to outsell her. Doesn't matter because she has an established fanbase and has the talent to maintain relevancy for years to come. Not the best argument tbh. I agree though, her tweeny appeal/following will sooner or later die out like the Jobros, Hilary, Miley but she should still sell well because of her country fans. Nowhere near as huge but still well enough. Perhaps I should had added after the talent statement from a lyrical/songwriting perspective. She is a great commercial safe image and she seems to have an incredible knack to write songs that relate to a specific generation if she grows and matures and keeps that talent than...
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Post by worldwide on Jan 9, 2011 17:22:50 GMT -5
In 1985, people said the SAME THING about a singer named Madonna! and in 1999 the same thing was said about Britney...just sayin ;) I really don't see the point.
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Post by forg on Jan 9, 2011 18:58:58 GMT -5
^ People though that Madonna and Britney will be done after their audience ages but well several years after they still sell, not as huge at their peak but still good enough and could still be considered successful
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 9, 2011 19:04:48 GMT -5
The difference is that Madonna and Britney changed and grew up with their core audiences. They changed and made music that was age-appropriate and reflected themselves realistically. The question is if Taylor will do the same. If not, then she's done. Gimmicks can only last for so long until you have to shake it up a little bit.
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Post by Lockheart on Jan 9, 2011 19:22:41 GMT -5
The difference is that Madonna and Britney changed and grew up with their core audiences. They changed and made music that was age-appropriate and reflected themselves realistically. The question is if Taylor will do the same. If not, then she's done. Gimmicks can only last for so long until you have to shake it up a little bit. This. I just can't imagine till Taylor shows off her inner slut
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Post by slw84 on Jan 9, 2011 19:37:37 GMT -5
^ People though that Madonna and Britney will be done after their audience ages but well several years after they still sell, not as huge at their peak but still good enough and could still be considered successful He knew what I meant...he was just throwing shade because he likes doing that when it comes to Brit. And it is so true...many (including some of her fans didn't expect Brit to still be relevant today).
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Post by slw84 on Jan 9, 2011 19:41:09 GMT -5
The difference is that Madonna and Britney changed and grew up with their core audiences. They changed and made music that was age-appropriate and reflected themselves realistically. The question is if Taylor will do the same. If not, then she's done. Gimmicks can only last for so long until you have to shake it up a little bit. That's the thing...I think that if she continues to create music about what she goes through/those close to her go through she can maintain relevancy. She has a great ability for songwriting and appealing to a generation. She just needs to progress and mature in her music. She is not an entertainer/pop star that focuses on image to where she would have to let out her "inner-slut" for anything. Plus, she would lose her fanbase completely doing that.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jan 9, 2011 19:45:15 GMT -5
^^ She's already grown and matured. "Teardrops on my Guitar" is an excellent song, but you wouldn't find such a basic "unrequited love" song on Speak Now or her future albums. Likewise, she couldn't have written a song like "Innocent" or "Last Kiss" four years ago.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 9, 2011 19:52:12 GMT -5
The difference is that Madonna and Britney changed and grew up with their core audiences. They changed and made music that was age-appropriate and reflected themselves realistically. The question is if Taylor will do the same. If not, then she's done. Gimmicks can only last for so long until you have to shake it up a little bit. That's the thing...I think that if she continues to create music about what she goes through/those close to her go through she can maintain relevancy. She has a great ability for songwriting and appealing to a generation. She just needs to progress and mature in her music. She is not an entertainer/pop star that focuses on image to where she would have to let out her "inner-slut" for anything. Plus, she would lose her fanbase completely doing that. I never said that she needs to go through a slut phase. I'm just saying that if her music matures with both her and her audience, then she should be fine. And in this case, 'talent' is negligible. Talent doesn't matter much when determining someone's future or career. On second thought, maybe she should let out her inner slut. :kii:
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Post by jink on Jan 9, 2011 20:09:24 GMT -5
On the contrary, I would find it rather refreshing if Taylor didn't "slut up" her image. Becoming more mature doesn't necessarily mean making videos about orgies.
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Post by musicissalvation on Jan 9, 2011 20:18:42 GMT -5
hopefully Rihanna stays at number 3 :]]
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 20:25:03 GMT -5
Madonna was 27 years old in 1985. Are people under the impression she had a tween audience at the time? How someone can compare her to Taylor Swift is beyond my comprehension.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jan 9, 2011 21:35:55 GMT -5
Madonna was 27 years old in 1985. Are people under the impression she had a tween audience at the time? How someone can compare her to Taylor Swift is beyond my comprehension. For some reason its very much in vogue these days to compare everyone to Madonna. pardon the pun.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 22:47:54 GMT -5
The difference is that Madonna and Britney changed and grew up with their core audiences. They changed and made music that was age-appropriate and reflected themselves realistically. The question is if Taylor will do the same. If not, then she's done. Gimmicks can only last for so long until you have to shake it up a little bit. +1. I haven't listened to her new album but is she still singing about fairytale love and pining over boys? If those are the only experiences she's going to have throughout her life, then she simply will not progress to a mature audience when the tween appeal goes away. I guess "Mine" is lyrically more mature than her other songs but still.
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Post by Taylor. on Jan 9, 2011 22:54:27 GMT -5
The difference is that Madonna and Britney changed and grew up with their core audiences. They changed and made music that was age-appropriate and reflected themselves realistically. The question is if Taylor will do the same. If not, then she's done. Gimmicks can only last for so long until you have to shake it up a little bit. +1. I haven't listened to her new album but is she still singing about fairytale love and pining over boys? If those are the only experiences she's going to have throughout her life, then she simply will not progress to a mature audience when the tween appeal goes away. No. Of course there are several songs about love, but they're written with a level of maturity beyond her years. EW summed it up pretty well with this statement: "Forget the guys she may or may not be singing about. The 21-year old's slyly produced smash album is a surprisingly grown up study of romance, regret, and heartbreak." I suggest you listen to "Last Kiss," "Dear John," "Haunted," and "Never Grow Up" (ironically) to get a sense of the maturity on Speak Now.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 9, 2011 23:22:14 GMT -5
I've heard the songs. Seen the lyrics. I'm not impressed. And they do not seem 'beyond her years.' If anything, it sounds as if she may be finally aligning the maturity of her material with the maturity of physicality at 21 years old.
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Post by Joe1240 on Jan 9, 2011 23:51:55 GMT -5
I expect Taylor's album sales to go down a lot in about 2 years. When most of her fans have turned 17 and have moved on with their lives. Not True at all.Taylor Swift has wide appeal and a huge fanbase that goes way beyond teens.Don't compare her to Miley.
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Post by Push The Button on Jan 9, 2011 23:55:23 GMT -5
The difference is that Madonna and Britney changed and grew up with their core audiences. They changed and made music that was age-appropriate and reflected themselves realistically. The question is if Taylor will do the same. If not, then she's done. Gimmicks can only last for so long until you have to shake it up a little bit. Except she's already done that. Speak Now is far more adult that her last two albums.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 10, 2011 0:11:55 GMT -5
The difference is that Madonna and Britney changed and grew up with their core audiences. They changed and made music that was age-appropriate and reflected themselves realistically. The question is if Taylor will do the same. If not, then she's done. Gimmicks can only last for so long until you have to shake it up a little bit. Except she's already done that. Speak Now is far more adult that her last two albums. The difference is in my wording. She's still playing it up to her core audience of teens, which is reflected in her image and demeanor. If that doesn't change and evolve with her music, then it just doesn't work. She can't be 29 and still acting like she's an Amish 16 year old girl. SN is age appropriate. It shouldn't feel like she's playing dress up in her mother's clothes.
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Post by Push The Button on Jan 10, 2011 0:17:51 GMT -5
Except she's already done that. Speak Now is far more adult that her last two albums. The difference is in my wording. She's still playing it up to her core audience of teens, which is reflected in her image and demeanor. If that doesn't change and evolve with her music, then it just doesn't work. She can't be 29 and still acting like she's an Amish 16 year old girl. SN is age appropriate. It shouldn't feel like she's playing dress up in her mother's clothes. Um, why would she be wearing the same clothes 8 years from now? She's first and foremost a terrific Pop songwriter. That is what will keep her employed.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 10, 2011 0:24:54 GMT -5
The difference is in my wording. She's still playing it up to her core audience of teens, which is reflected in her image and demeanor. If that doesn't change and evolve with her music, then it just doesn't work. She can't be 29 and still acting like she's an Amish 16 year old girl. SN is age appropriate. It shouldn't feel like she's playing dress up in her mother's clothes. Um, why would she be wearing the same clothes 8 years from now? She's first and foremost a terrific Pop songwriter. That is what will keep her employed. You're completely missing the point of all my posts. Don't bother replying if you aren't paying attention or comprehending the message I'm trying to get across. Like I said before, just because you're 'talented' or a 'terrific Pop songwriter' (something that is purely subjective) doesn't mean that you'll be successful or relevant. History has shown this.
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Post by Riot on Jan 10, 2011 0:26:00 GMT -5
"terrific" may be straining it a bit, I'd personally vie for competent. It works, but I would hardly call her an Alanis or a Spektor.
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Post by strikeleo on Jan 10, 2011 0:31:53 GMT -5
Truth is, we'll never know if she'll stay relevant or not, that is something we can't predict. So we might as well enjoy what's happening now rather than discuss if she'll stay or not relevant. She may follow down a number of paths other artists have followed, or she may create her own. We can't predict what's gonna happen, so, we shouldn't try to.
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Post by slw84 on Jan 10, 2011 4:57:27 GMT -5
hopefully Rihanna stays at number 3 :]] +1 and I hope Nicki is #2 this week and can sneak in a week at #1 when her promo for Ellen and release of her Moment for life video generates a few more sales.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jan 10, 2011 8:18:08 GMT -5
"terrific" may be straining it a bit, I'd personally vie for competent. It works, but I would hardly call her an Alanis or a Spektor. <3
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Post by Push The Button on Jan 10, 2011 12:51:23 GMT -5
Um, why would she be wearing the same clothes 8 years from now? She's first and foremost a terrific Pop songwriter. That is what will keep her employed. You're completely missing the point of all my posts. Don't bother replying if you aren't paying attention or comprehending the message I'm trying to get across. Like I said before, just because you're 'talented' or a 'terrific Pop songwriter' (something that is purely subjective) doesn't mean that you'll be successful or relevant. History has shown this. I completely get your grievous point, don't worry. I'm merely pointing out your flawed argument.
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