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Post by grouper6 on Mar 25, 2011 6:42:43 GMT -5
+1. Some like him, some don't. Simply put. Whining about the people that hate Chris Brown over and over again won't change anyone's views either. That said those are amazing sales and even though it isn't his best album imo (Exclusive and Chris Brown were better and more cohesive sets), there are a good amount of standouts. Not to mention the singles he's released so far (Deuces, No BS, Look At Me Now, Yeah 3x) were all strong releases and pretty much locked in is fanbase for a good frontloaded debut. He really worked for these sales. He did the Trey-strategy but took it up a notch dropping all those mixtapes and being featured in all those tracks and started building momentum months and months in advance for this. The question is will it hold up. Very good insight. Those features, mixed tapes and his internet presence definitely built up momentum tot he release even with minuscule personal promotion via tv. There are some standouts outside of the 4 released tracks you noted. I like 'I should have kissed you', really like 'All Back '- that track is very different for him, almost countryesque. Sounds a bit like a Rascal Flatts song. Those key changes remind me of a country song. Don't know how I feel about 'She ain't you' as Michael Jackson's 'Human Nature' which he sampled is probably my all time fav MJ song. All aground good effort and serious hard work put in. Gold definitely! We'll see about longevity. If he can maintain a decent 2nd and 3rd week drop, platinum may be possible. Interesting to see if his first week and overall sales will surpass Trey Songz.
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Post by Rodze on Mar 25, 2011 8:28:54 GMT -5
When you buy his album you're putting money in his pocket, some people don't want to financially support a person like Chris Brown, and that's their choice. That's what people don't get. No matter how amazing you may think his music, when you buy it, you're rewarding his jerk behavior. But, whatever, not my money. You waste it as you wish. Not even my country (even though it influences the whole world), so you ruin your society as you wish too.
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Mar 25, 2011 13:29:04 GMT -5
When you buy his album you're putting money in his pocket, some people don't want to financially support a person like Chris Brown, and that's their choice. That's what people don't get. No matter how amazing you may think his music, when you buy it, you're rewarding his jerk behavior. But, whatever, not my money. You waste it as you wish. Not even my country (even though it influences the whole world), so you ruin your society as you wish too. noted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2011 15:33:24 GMT -5
+1. Some like him, some don't. Simply put. Whining about the people that hate Chris Brown over and over again won't change anyone's views either. That said those are amazing sales and even though it isn't his best album imo (Exclusive and Chris Brown were better and more cohesive sets), there are a good amount of standouts. Not to mention the singles he's released so far (Deuces, No BS, Look At Me Now, Yeah 3x) were all strong releases and pretty much locked in is fanbase for a good frontloaded debut. He really worked for these sales. He did the Trey-strategy but took it up a notch dropping all those mixtapes and being featured in all those tracks and started building momentum months and months in advance for this. The question is will it hold up. Very good insight. Those features, mixed tapes and his internet presence definitely built up momentum tot he release even with minuscule personal promotion via tv. There are some standouts outside of the 4 released tracks you noted. I like 'I should have kissed you', really like 'All Back '- that track is very different for him, almost countryesque. Sounds a bit like a Rascal Flatts song. Those key changes remind me of a country song. Don't know how I feel about 'She ain't you' as Michael Jackson's 'Human Nature' which he sampled is probably my all time fav MJ song. All aground good effort and serious hard work put in. Gold definitely! We'll see about longevity. If he can maintain a decent 2nd and 3rd week drop, platinum may be possible. Interesting to see if his first week and overall sales will surpass Trey Songz. "Bomb" would be a killer single imo as would "She Aint You" and maybe "Next 2 You" for pop because of the Bieber feature. "All Back" is ok but the mopeyness of the song is too reminiscent of Grafflop. Hearing him complain about ish in songs really is annoying, it's better when he sidesteps all his personal BS and separates all traces of himself from his music and just puts out something mindless, fun and catchy.
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Post by pnobelysk on Mar 25, 2011 16:34:20 GMT -5
^i dont think a song should be selected for pop just b.c of bieber's inclusion considering he hasnt been able to break top 10 on his own format
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Post by Choco on Mar 25, 2011 18:39:14 GMT -5
Maybe the Japan album will sell really well and top Chris?
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Mar 25, 2011 21:06:05 GMT -5
Maybe the Japan album will sell really well and top Chris? [/wishful thinking] Ya your right, Not gonna happen. A digital only release, consisting of popular songs that have already sold well released with only 3 days left for sales tracking week
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Post by Choco on Mar 26, 2011 14:20:22 GMT -5
Well, Hope for Haiti did it with just two days I think, but then again that had more publicity with the live performances and all.
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Mar 26, 2011 15:27:04 GMT -5
Well, Hope for Haiti did it with just two days I think, but then again that had more publicity with the live performances and all. That had new recordings.
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Post by Misus+Beysus4EVA on Mar 27, 2011 7:40:26 GMT -5
Finally some great longetivities!!! Why won't nicki's sales go up? Moment for life is blowing up at pop! I thought it would het her sales! Nicki needs to promote more. When she does you see the direct impact on sales.
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Post by Misus+Beysus4EVA on Mar 27, 2011 7:44:14 GMT -5
Very good insight. Those features, mixed tapes and his internet presence definitely built up momentum tot he release even with minuscule personal promotion via tv. There are some standouts outside of the 4 released tracks you noted. I like 'I should have kissed you', really like 'All Back '- that track is very different for him, almost countryesque. Sounds a bit like a Rascal Flatts song. Those key changes remind me of a country song. Don't know how I feel about 'She ain't you' as Michael Jackson's 'Human Nature' which he sampled is probably my all time fav MJ song. All aground good effort and serious hard work put in. Gold definitely! We'll see about longevity. If he can maintain a decent 2nd and 3rd week drop, platinum may be possible. Interesting to see if his first week and overall sales will surpass Trey Songz. "Bomb" would be a killer single imo as would "She Aint You" and maybe "Next 2 You" for pop because of the Bieber feature. "All Back" is ok but the mopeyness of the song is too reminiscent of Grafflop. Hearing him complain about ish in songs really is annoying, it's better when he sidesteps all his personal BS and separates all traces of himself from his music and just puts out something mindless, fun and catchy.yup, that was T.I.'s problem with his last album. 'Get Back Up' and 'Castle Walls' were awful songs to push to radio. People loved T.I. cause he got it poppin in the club and had fun songs. And his album is full of those songs, just not got release them :(
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Post by Black Jesus on Mar 27, 2011 12:00:26 GMT -5
Ouch @ Jennifer. I was expecting at least 200k.
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Post by slw84 on Mar 27, 2011 12:20:01 GMT -5
Finally some great longetivities!!! Why won't nicki's sales go up? Moment for life is blowing up at pop! I thought it would het her sales! Nicki needs to promote more. When she does you see the direct impact on sales. She's in between singles. I hope she starts back up in a couple of weeks but she is on tour until the end of April. She got her #1 album, her consistent top 10 for 14 weeks breaking a record for female rap albums...and my hope is that the superbass video is released early April and the fly video will be released at the end of May/June.
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Post by Choco on Mar 27, 2011 19:15:45 GMT -5
Ouch @ Jennifer. I was expecting at least 200k. Was that realistic? Her last album had a hit (Spotlight) and did around 220k. Add in the yearly decline of sales and she's doing well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2011 20:22:35 GMT -5
J-Hud's album is too good to not hit #1. >:(
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Post by wunderkind on Mar 27, 2011 23:42:22 GMT -5
Ouch @ Jennifer. I was expecting at least 200k. Was that realistic? Her last album had a hit (Spotlight) and did around 220k. Add in the yearly decline of sales and she's doing well. Seriously. There is nothing "ouch" about her sales. She's pulling 170k in her first week - that's actually really good. Comparing her to Fantasia, Back to me sold what, 95k in its first week? "Bittersweet" was comparable to Jenn's "Where You At" at radio, and they both had similar hype going into the release. I'm only comparing them because they both had similarly received RnB singles going into the releases. 170k is great. If the album doesn't have legs - now that would be an "ouch"
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 28, 2011 3:59:39 GMT -5
Finally some great longetivities!!! Why won't nicki's sales go up? Moment for life is blowing up at pop! I thought it would het her sales! Nicki needs to promote more. When she does you see the direct impact on sales. I think the pop audience were the one that bought it right away as she certainly is a pop phenomenon despite being a hip hop act. Like Eminem and Kanye West.
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Post by Misus+Beysus4EVA on Mar 28, 2011 4:20:16 GMT -5
Nicki needs to promote more. When she does you see the direct impact on sales. I think the pop audience were the one that bought it right away as she certainly is a pop phenomenon despite being a hip hop act. Like Eminem and Kanye West. I don't agree. The bulk of her initial sales came from those who have been following her on the mix-tape circuit and urban audiences. It's not like she's had massive support from pop radio. The bulk of her airplay so far has been urban and rhythmic radio. Check It Out was a disappointment at pop radio. She benefited greatly from the time of the year her album was released and all the hype. Nicki has yet to receive the amount of pop radio support that songs from Eminem has had or Kanye (Golddigger, Stronger, Heartless). Moment 4 Life is doing ok now, but I dont think its going to make the top 10, and if it does it will be her first.
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 28, 2011 4:25:54 GMT -5
But she was well known among the pop audience as well before the album was released. Granted, My Chick Bad and Lil Freak weren't big hits at pop but she had the MTV support and also performed at the VMAs
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Post by Misus+Beysus4EVA on Mar 28, 2011 4:36:43 GMT -5
But she was well known among the pop audience as well before the album was released: My Chick Bad was a pop hit and she performed at the VMAs one minor pop hit (did not go top 10) from a single by ANOTHER artist cant take credit for the bulk of her initial sales. And that song didn't even sell Ludacris album who has had multiple top 10 hits at pop radio. And she performed at the VMA pre-show, and not even that made Check it Out a big hit at pop.
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 28, 2011 4:38:11 GMT -5
I actually modified my post because yea My Chick Bad wasn't a big hit at pop.
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Post by Misus+Beysus4EVA on Mar 28, 2011 4:40:36 GMT -5
I actually modified my post because yea My Chick Bad wasn't a big hit at pop. I do agree that without her exposure to pop audiences, her sales would not be as strong as they are. But I don't think pop audiences are the primary buyers of her album. Your Love, Right Thru Me and Moment 4 Life are what have sold this album, and all of them had the most support from Urban and Rhy. radio.
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Post by Misus+Beysus4EVA on Mar 28, 2011 4:52:54 GMT -5
Was that realistic? Her last album had a hit (Spotlight) and did around 220k. Add in the yearly decline of sales and she's doing well. Seriously. There is nothing "ouch" about her sales. She's pulling 170k in her first week - that's actually really good. Comparing her to Fantasia, Back to me sold what, 95k in its first week? "Bittersweet" was comparable to Jenn's "Where You At" at radio, and they both had similar hype going into the release. I'm only comparing them because they both had similarly received RnB singles going into the releases. 170k is great. If the album doesn't have legs - now that would be an "ouch" Fantasia sold 117k her first week But Jennifer will have a massive drop in week 2. Her sales this week are the result of a very aggressive promo week (Leno, The View, 20/20, GMA, American Idol, 106 & Park, Soul Sessions, Wendy Willaims).
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Post by grouper6 on Mar 28, 2011 6:41:54 GMT -5
Seriously. There is nothing "ouch" about her sales. She's pulling 170k in her first week - that's actually really good. Comparing her to Fantasia, Back to me sold what, 95k in its first week? "Bittersweet" was comparable to Jenn's "Where You At" at radio, and they both had similar hype going into the release. I'm only comparing them because they both had similarly received RnB singles going into the releases. 170k is great. If the album doesn't have legs - now that would be an "ouch" Fantasia sold 117k her first week But Jennifer will have a massive drop in week 2. Her sales this week are the result of a very aggressive promo week (Leno, The View, 20/20, GMA, American Idol, 106 & Park, Soul Sessions, Wendy Willaims). Agreed! Also, to the OP, Jennifer has had massive promo and leading up to release week she has had several high profile gigs which would have exposed her to a crossover and older audience where I presume she is being marketed to i.e Kennedy Center Honours where she sang for Oprah Grammys Was it New Year's gig with Ryan Seacrest on TV Massive Weight loss Promo on tv and ad campaign several major magazine covers Fantasia didn't come close and the other promo she got was bad news re her suicide attempt that she talked about on just about every tv performance. That may have turned some people off besides her hardcore base. Jennifer has clearly had the more high profile gigs. I expected 200k or more for this promo schedule so anything less is a bit disappointing to me. I don't know what Jenny's 2nd week drop will be but usually it is 65-70%. I assume she will continue to do some more promo but from comments that I've seen on the net, many of the younger crowd don't really like the album but that is subjective. I feel shell sell gold but Platinum will be a reach. Monica is the yardstick that I use for her and Monica's total sales for 'Still stronger' is a little over 600k . Fantasia will be on American Idon on Thursday.
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Post by Misus+Beysus4EVA on Mar 28, 2011 6:57:22 GMT -5
Fantasia sold 117k her first week But Jennifer will have a massive drop in week 2. Her sales this week are the result of a very aggressive promo week (Leno, The View, 20/20, GMA, American Idol, 106 & Park, Soul Sessions, Wendy Willaims). I don't know what Jenny's 2nd week drop will be but usually it is 65-70%. I assume she will continue to do some more promo but from comments that I've seen on the net, many of the younger crowd don't really like the album but that is subjective. of course the younger crowd in general does not like this album. aside from it being a snorefest, she sings every song like she's trying out for BET's Sunday's Best. She made NO connection with the audience during her performance on American Idol. Jennifer can out sing every contestant on AI now but when she performed the audience reaction was not nearly as great as when the contestants were performing the previous night. Fantasia will of course. I dont really care for either of them, but when Fantasia hits the stage she makes you take notice.
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Post by Misus+Beysus4EVA on Mar 28, 2011 9:37:30 GMT -5
Exactly. And she had two big hits going into her album opening. Her dismal US sales and inability to sell tour tickets are just more proof that no one cares about her beyond a current hit song. Come down from your Team Breezy cloud and face the facts. Rihanna has sold over 25 million albums, Chris has not even sold 10 million. And don't get me started on #1's because Rihanna has the most of any artist since 2005. Rihanna has more albums (5 albums + 1 re-release + 2 remix albums > 3 albums) and hits, she should have sold more. Multiple people quoted me and I just noticed today, so this is to EVERYONE that quoted me.I was referring to there current albums. so anything outside of that is irrelevant to what I posted, so lets stay on topic. Rihanna's LOUD was released in Q4, the biggest time of the year for album sales. She also had two huge hits, bigger than any of the singles from F.A.M.E. F.A.M.E. is out in Q1, the worst time of the year for album sales. And he looks to be on track to sell 70k MORE than she did her first week. Rihanna's LOUD is the follow up to an album that was somewhat of a success, where as Chris Brown is following up a massive flop. Not to mention the beating his image has taken since...well the beating of Rihanna. The fact that he is substantially outselling her out the gate is insane to me. I'm simply stating facts, so you team-Rihanna fans can snap out of defense mode. Now, to veer off topic like you did, Rihanna's US sales are VERY poor considering the amount of hits she has. Chris Brown is primarily a R&B singer, so he's never gonna have the international sales that she has because as we all know, R&B sells poorly outside of America. But in the US(and ww), his debut outsold her debut, as well as his sophomore album. Graffiti was clearly a flop that came shortly after he'd done something horrible and he was basically black-listed (even tho I think Graffiti sucked and should have flopped). He's just getting back on track now. And I don't buy that E! Online article about her tour is selling well. You can go to ticketmaster.com and there are tickets available for ages. And even still, the amount of tour dates she's doing in the US is laughable compared to Katy, and Gaga and Beyonce's last tours, because they KNOW she's not a tour draw. She is a singles artist that not a lot of people in general care about past her current hit. And someone else mentioned she had a #1 selling fragrance...ok and? that's not that hard, a lot of celeb fragrances are #1 for a period. What would really be impressive is a #1 album. But I'll give her credit, the girl sell 99 cent downloads to teens. But its interesting that Katy's E.T. is dragging S&M in sales with no video and way less airplay.
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Post by Choco on Mar 28, 2011 9:46:15 GMT -5
Oh, the old "Rihanna sells so little with so many hits...", people needs to get over it.
We will see, but for all we know Chris could plummet after the first week and don't even come close to Loud sales so...
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Post by Misus+Beysus4EVA on Mar 28, 2011 9:52:32 GMT -5
Oh, the old "Rihanna sells so little with so many hits...", people needs to get over it. We will see, but for all we know Chris could plummet after the first week and don't even come close to Loud sales so... I don't really think there is anything to get over, it is what it is. and him plummeting is 100% irrelevant to people attacking me for pointing that his album is substantially outselling LOUD out the gate.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 28, 2011 11:33:39 GMT -5
Come down from your Team Breezy cloud and face the facts. Rihanna has sold over 25 million albums, Chris has not even sold 10 million. And don't get me started on #1's because Rihanna has the most of any artist since 2005. Rihanna has more albums (5 albums + 1 re-release + 2 remix albums > 3 albums) and hits, she should have sold more. Multiple people quoted me and I just noticed today, so this is to EVERYONE that quoted me.I was referring to there current albums. so anything outside of that is irrelevant to what I posted, so lets stay on topic. Rihanna's LOUD was released in Q4, the biggest time of the year for album sales. She also had two huge hits, bigger than any of the singles from F.A.M.E. F.A.M.E. is out in Q1, the worst time of the year for album sales. And he looks to be on track to sell 70k MORE than she did her first week. Rihanna's LOUD is the follow up to an album that was somewhat of a success, where as Chris Brown is following up a massive flop. Not to mention the beating his image has taken since...well the beating of Rihanna. The fact that he is substantially outselling her out the gate is insane to me. I'm simply stating facts, so you team-Rihanna fans can snap out of defense mode. Now, to veer off topic like you did, Rihanna's US sales are VERY poor considering the amount of hits she has. Chris Brown is primarily a R&B singer, so he's never gonna have the international sales that she has because as we all know, R&B sells poorly outside of America. But in the US(and ww), his debut outsold her debut, as well as his sophomore album. Graffiti was clearly a flop that came shortly after he'd done something horrible and he was basically black-listed (even tho I think Graffiti sucked and should have flopped). He's just getting back on track now. And I don't buy that E! Online article about her tour is selling well. You can go to ticketmaster.com and there are tickets available for ages. And even still, the amount of tour dates she's doing in the US is laughable compared to Katy, and Gaga and Beyonce's last tours, because they KNOW she's not a tour draw. She is a singles artist that not a lot of people in general care about past her current hit. And someone else mentioned she had a #1 selling fragrance...ok and? that's not that hard, a lot of celeb fragrances are #1 for a period. What would really be impressive is a #1 album. But I'll give her credit, the girl sell 99 cent downloads to teens. But its interesting that Katy's E.T. is dragging S&M in sales with no video and way less airplay. Very well said.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Mar 28, 2011 11:40:15 GMT -5
YAWN.
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